What civilization is the most overrated in history and why?
Human Civilization
Egyptian
>>1388759
Why?
>>1388759
American detected.
>>1388715
All pre-colonial American civilizations: developed in isolation, so no real contribution to human advancement.
anything out of sub-saharan Africa
>>1388817
>sub-saharan Africa
>civilization
>>1388715
Civ Revolutions for iOS. It's basically a Mini Civ II engine. Quite the disappointment. Looking forward to Civ VI for PC though.
Rome
It was inferior to the hellenistic period, I wish Rome has only conquered Gaul.
Imagine a world in which you have many great powers in the Mediterrenean, Ptolomaic Egypt, the Seleucids, the Proper greeks in the Balkans, Rome in Italy and future France, Carthaghe in the Maghreb and Iberia.
Competition would have made science and technology advance at a much greater rate.
Rome didnt produce Archimedes or Erathostenes characters like the Hellenistic period.
I always prefer periods with many big powers over periods with one superpower.
>>1388811
inventing agriculture and writing all by your own is pretty remarkable. in Eurasia + Africa it was invented only once.
Greco-Roman probably.
I mean it was pretty great, probably the second best civilisation after the West, but it still gets highly overrated and credited with way too much. We Westerners still have a huge inferiority complex towards it despite having surpassed it in every possible way, so bad that many want to believe we actually belong to the same civilisation.
>>1388759
Wrong. Most developed and culturally historic pristine civilization to stand on earth. There's a reason the Olmecs, Sumerians and Peruvians are not household names compared to Egypt (and to extent China). The world wonders are incredible, they had a fairly large prescense past their time and they still stand today. They've standed the test of time.
Pic unrelated
>>1388811
I agree as long as you're talking just North America, but the strange and rampant growth of the Mesoamerican civilizations astounds me.
>>1389220
>cradle of the western thought which has enveloped the world
>overrated
My man, you are wrong.
>>1389242
>so bad that many want to believe we actually belong to the same civilisation
>Anon goes on to literally pretend the West is the same thing as Greco-Romans
/his/ never disappoints...
>>1389252
Wut? An edgy contrarian response would be something like Indus Valley or some shit that nobody even knows anything about. Or maybe you don't know what "overrated" means.
>>1389260
Maybe you don't. If Egypt and Greece are overrated than every civilization there ever existed was shit.
>>1389278
You need to learn about basic logic.
Egypt and Greece are so highly rated that they're the only ones that could even be overrated. All the others are almost completely disregarded, how can something nobody ever talks about be overrated?
>>1389220
the greco-roman civilisation has only been surpassed materially
were inferior to them in every other way
>>1389287
Except in science, mathematics, technology, art, architecture, music, literature, philosophy, politics, administration, morality, and literally every single other possible way.
This Western inferiority complex is a serious sickness. That's probably the only area where we'll never equal Greco-Romans: self-confidence.
Honestly, the Nazis.
If you had swapped the Nazi's uniforms any other nation's nobody would idolize them. The Hugo Boss uniforms are the sole reason they have a cult following. Imagine a WW2 where the British had the Hugo Boss uniforms, and the Nazis had some ugly green shit. How many people would be supporting the Nazis now? We'd be laughing at them.
>>1389287
how on earth is the art of the XVII century worse than Grecco Roman art?
Painting, music and literature were great.
>>1389312
>architecture
You say this in a world where literally every country is trying to imitate Rome with its government and monumental buildings. Even fucking China pulls this shit
>>1389312
>mostly givens for living in a later time period
If Rome had continued until 2016...
>>1389312
>science
as i said were materially better
>mathematics
all based on the greeks
>art
literally just copying ancient statues to the point where we were to autistic to actually paint our statues
>philosophy
plato>everyone else
>architecture
we just build bigger buildings than the ancients
>politics, administration
>he doesnt know about the roman empire
>morality
were all a bunch of late roman era degenerates
>>1389320
>copying the ancients
>being better than them
>>1389337
Neoclassicism is the worst architectural style in the West, Gothic architecture for example is superior in every way.
>>1389342
Then what? Then nothing, Rome never made an ounce of progress in any one of those fields.
This isn't Sid Meier's Civilization. Progress doesn't automatically happen just because time passes. Progress has to be driven, and the reason we're more advanced is because it was driven by Western civilisation.
>>1389314
This. Learn what overrated is. Nazi Germany, not Egypt and Greece, is overrated. It lasted only a decade and their contribution to mankind is rockets, I think.
>>1389344
Awful bait.
>>1389368
Learn what civilisation means. The Nazis aren't a civilisation you dumb fuck.
>>1389374
dispute it if you disagree you fucking nigger
>>1389363
>Progress doesn't automatically happen just because time passes
Actually it did, until a particular event that occurred in 476...
>>1388715
Norse.
>>1389377
You're making a post denying the existence of Western art or architecture styles that aren't Neoclassicism, and of Western mathematics or philosophy, and claiming the Roman Empire, an unstable tyranny almost perpetually mired in chaos, assassinations, and civil wars, was in any way a better institution than Western nations. At that level there's really no point responding if I'd have to explain 1000 years of history of politics, science, and art to you.
>>1389380
Name one thing that progressed in the five centuries before that.
>>1389212
Both agriculture and writing were discovered independently in the Middle East and China, writing was invented twice independently in Egypt and Mesopotamia.
>>1389389
thats a nice strawman you got there
any actual arguments though?
>>1389344
is this copying the ancients?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_oIFy1mxM
People are really undererestimating the Baroque period of arts.
>>1389421
Nigga check out the Gothic, it's just as non-Roman.
>>1389421
>disputes the only thing i didnt contest
we cant really judge on music because we dont know much about music in antiquity
but nice ignoring every other point
>>1389409
>writing was invented twice independently in Egypt and Mesopotamia.
And again by the Chinks and yet again by the Mesoamericans.
>>1389441
Read what I was replying to.
Also, I already mentioned that it was invented in China independently, I was just making a point that it was also invented twice in the Middle East alone, not as the other guy said ("once in Eurosia+Africa").
>>1389440
I dont think this is copying the ancients either
>>1389465
once again you go for the things that we cant really compare
>>1389470
And why do you think it is we can't compare them?
Because
>>art
>literally just copying ancient statues
is one of the most retarded things I've ever read here and that's saying something, now please never post anything anywhere again.
>>1389474
>And why do you think it is we can't compare them?
well you could show me some paintings from greco roman times if you like
>>1389482
Are you handicapped or something? Don't know how to google?
>>1389409
I don't believe in coincidences that just so happened around the same time when we have been out of Africa for circa 70k years.
Why no agriculture or writing system before then.
>>1389233
>There's a reason the Olmecs, Sumerians and Peruvians are not household names compared to Egypt (and to extent China).
Idiocy? Is the reason idiocy? Because those three were more influential in their spheres than Egypt was.
>>1389485
look im just here to have a discussion why do you need to shitpost here?just go on /b/ or something
>>1389503
Embarrassing. Just do everyone a favour and never post on /his/ again.
>>1389413
no he really just repeated what you had written and it should appear obvious to anyone how stupid it sounds.
>>1389518
>he really just repeated what you had written
>i never wrote about paintings
>i never wrote about music
>he attacks these two points
>>1389520
You might have gotten the conversations mixed up anon, I was referring to this post:
"You're making a post denying the existence of Western art or architecture styles that aren't Neoclassicism, and of Western mathematics or philosophy, and claiming the Roman Empire, an unstable tyranny almost perpetually mired in chaos, assassinations, and civil wars, was in any way a better institution than Western nations."
Which tackles much more than paintings and music.
I would say the Greeks too because they tend to be talked about way too much considering all the awesome shit that was happening over the same period in other places, for example Persia or China.
>>1389526
this is pure strawmanning when did i deny that the existence of Western art or architecture styles that aren't Neoclassicism, and of Western mathematics or philosophy?
>claiming the Roman Empire, an unstable tyranny
roman republic=best political system
roman empire=best administration
>>1389487
It's not a coincidence, you can blame/credit climate change for that, it all started around the same time, right after the "Last glacial period", which signalled the end of the Ice Age, and caused a huge wave of desertification around the world, forcing a lot of people to come together near rivers to survive, and later jump start human civilization.
You'll notice that all 3 civilizations that invented agriculture and writing independently were established around rivers, and were surrounded by deserts in all directions. With Egypt being the most extreme case.
>>1389491
>Is the reason idiocy? Because those three were more influential in their spheres than Egypt was.
are you sure you're not the idiot here?
>>1389602
>You'll notice that all 3 civilizations that invented agriculture
Except agriculture in West Asia was developed in Anatolia, fed by rains and not rivers. Also, the Mayan civilization was based not on rivers but on cenotes, surrounded by inhabitable jungle. Likewise for the Inca, substituting "altiplano" for "jungle".
>>1389534
Euro-centrism.
Don't get me wrong, Greece achieved a lot, but it was in noway unique among its immediate neighbourhood, but given that they were the bases of Greco-Roman civilization, and that being the bases of Western Civilization, it's been given way too much attention/credit by Western historians.
>>1389615
>but it was in noway unique among its immediate neighbourhood
Disagreed, only the Greeks developed advanced political structures based on the consent of the ruled, elsewhere despotism was the universal norm. Greece alone also developed a systematic approach to knowledge (philosophy), ad-hoc rulings and mysticism were the universal norm elsewhere.
>>1389246
You're right fampire. This era could do with more eromenos and religious orgies. Those gladiatorium deathmatches are pretty cool too. Boipucci shitposting and pro wrestling just isn't the same. Imagine.
>Tonight live at Madison Square Garden: Proconsul Gaius Donaldus Trumpicus presents for the education and entertainment of the republic: the a reenactment of the heroic slaughter of the rebel Parthian, Ossammulladen by the heroes of the marine Legio VI. Cakes will be distributed by the Cataline Brotherhood of Millers. The Catalline Brotherhood uses only the finest grain: Trve Roman bread for Trve Romans.
>>1389608
>Except agriculture in West Asia was developed in Anatolia
Agriculture was only discovered once in the middle east, and it was in the Levant.
>Also, the Mayan civilization was based not on rivers but on cenotes, surrounded by inhabitable jungle. Likewise for the Inca, substituting "altiplano" for "jungle".
I was specifically talking about the Old World. and, the Mayans and Incas were pretty late to both agriculture and writing compared to post-LGM civilizations, even if they had discovered them independently, they weren't subject to the same conditions.
>>1389205
underrated. Single superpowers stagnate advancement
>>1389622
Each Mediterranean civilization had its perks, Greece was simply a later manifestation of its surrounding cultures, and, of course, it made its own contributions, but it isn't like it evolved in isolation, like say China, though it's often talked about as if it did.
>>1389363
>This isn't Sid Meier's Civilization. Progress doesn't automatically happen just because time passes.
B-but it's 2016
>>1388960
Civ Rev was not nearly as good as Civ II
Obviously
>>1389220
Hello Spengler.
>>1389312
>art
>music
>literature
>politics
>morality
>anything but subjective
You might even say we've surpassed them in retardation if we consider your post.
>>1389663
THINK THIS IS FUNNY EVERY SINGLE TIME WE SAY IT
