Anyone know where I could find a full transcript or recording of the 1934 debate between Huey Long (U.S. Senator and former Governor of Louisiana, and founder of the short-lived Share Our Wealth program) and Norman Thomas (leader of the Socialist Party of America)?
>>1381213
Huey P. Long was killed by FDR before the election to make sure that America would fight for Judeo-Communism and against the Third Reich.
>>1381238
I don't about that, but I agree that there were plenty of people at the federal level who WOULD have done something like that if it came to it, if someone else hadn't got to him first. And I agree that the United States would have been somewhat less likely to have entered the European war if he'd lived to become president, or at any rate, it would have been handled very differently.
No knowledge on any sauce for that debate, then?
>you will never go back in time and save him
>>1381238
>muh judeo-bolshevism
Stalin had gotten rid of pretty much all of the influential Jews in the USSR by the time of the war.
>>1381213
What would you say his political views are? He has some socialist leanings in his speeches but he seemed to despise the very notion of Communism and/or Fascism.
>>1381628
Just a more authoritarian version of FDR albiet with a greater isolationist streak.
>>1381628
He really had his own take on things which was not given the chance to become a "movement" before he was killed, but all things considered, it more resembled fascism in methodology, if not so much in ideology (which he ultimately had none of).
Many have been confused about this, and he was frequently asked to clarify his "views" in his own lifetime. In response to one such request for clarification, he once said: "Never explain, my boy, never explain! For explanation is the mother of sectarianism."
His enemies variously accused him of both communism and fascism, depending on which of these they disliked more. He once declared when accused of communism that his plans were in fact the only thing that could save America from communism (probably something similar in meaning to FDR's later boast that he had "saved capitalism from itself"). As for fascism, I've heard that Norman Thomas compared him to the Nazis in the debate I'm looking for. Being interested in how he actually fielded attempts by others to pin him down on the political spectrum of his age is one of the reasons I want to find the transcript.
Overall, I would say he liked the basic idea of America and what it stood for, but felt that it desperately needed to be rid of the elements in it that fostered plutocracy. And he was willing to do whatever it took to eliminate that problem once and for all time. and made many enemies along the way.
>>1381609
I've actually had two dreams I can recall that this was the plot of.
>>1381628
>>1382068
What you have to understand about fascism is that it has to be unique to each culture that implements it. National Socialism, Italian Fascism and Japanese militarism all had similarities, but they were all very different from each other because of their unique cultures. Long was indeed a true American fascist, but he was not a "fascist" like certain American political parties of the time period.
>>1382669
>Japanese militarism, a fucking monarchist system, is fascism
>Nazism is fascism
>Fascism is fascism too btw
>"lmao I can call anything that isnt marxist socialism fascist bcuz I made up a definition where fascism has no meaning"
Fuck off to /pol/, people on this board actually read.
>>1382669
>>1383325
Eh. I sort of understand what he's trying to say, I think, even if the word "fascism" is admittedly being somewhat re-appropriated for the task. I think he's describing sort of deeper historical trend in the modern West of strong, centralized state authority with a conscious self-identity, tending to be heavily centered on charismatic strongman leadership; not opposed to the accumulation of vast personal fortunes on principle so long as big business is kept firmly in the subordinate role relative to the state; and tending to culturally idolize/draw its elites from military leaders rather than successful businessmen. That's the best I can think of to describe it off the top of my head in a single 4chan post, at least.
Some major differences with Long from the three examples provided in >>1382669
provided, though, in my mind are: firstly, no emphasis on "race" exaltation (on which matters Long was actually extremely "progressive", to the best of my knowledge); and secondly, he did not have an ideal of how things ought to be which he planned to spread as far as he could, but a matter-of-fact goal. And again, his ideas were in their infancy when he was killed, so they undoubtedly would have developed into forms quite unlike those we know by the time he was in any position to see them implemented at a federal level, which all would have been further complicated by the fact that he possibly would have been the president of one of the major world powers during the age of World War II (his penchant for non-involvement in foreign wars and the European theaters aside, I'm not sure the United States could have avoided a Pacific War under any circumstances, whenever and however it might have broken out; but I'm no expert on U.S.-Japanese relations in the 1930s, so there definitely could be possibilities I'm just unaware of there).
Bump. Someone please be the hero I need. I've been scouring the Internet for this debate for over almost a year now, and no one has been able to point me in any direction so far.
>>1383325
>a fucking monarchist system
You realize that Italian Fascism was ALSO a monarchist system, correct?
>>1385559
>He was the last American populist
Not yet he isn't
>>1387049
>a man who spent the 80s handing out bribes to political figures from his wealthy father's bank account to protect his developments and then decided to become a career politician is running as a "political outsider" and a "populist"
