Has history shown Hobbes to be right? Why or why not?
Sort of.
The Leviathan became not a monarch, but a state.
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>>1354680
Yes and no. At least in the modern West his ideas did not persist, but the ideas of those he inspired did. Both Locke and Rousseau were unsatisfied with the conclusion Hobbes came to (any state is good, because even the most oppressive and borderline totalitarian king is better than having no state at all) and came up with solutions to the problem Leviathan posed.
I guess it was one of those philosophical cases where the answer did not matter as much as the fact that the question was asked.
>>1354680
Well a monarch or a monarch like leader has proven to be pretty bad compared to constitutional republics, So no he was not right
>>1354706
>a monarch or a monarch like leader has proven to be pretty bad compared to constitutional republics,
Are you grouping totalitarian leaders (who almost always arise in the vacuum left by the decline of monarchy) with monarchs? This isn't sensible, monarchs are authoritarian, but not totalitarian.
>>1354711
You know the kingdom of Italy persisted until 1946, right? What would the difference be between all power being concentrated with Mussolini and all power being concentrated with the king? Benito, though called Il Duce, did not have it as his official title. Until he was ousted in 1943 he remained Prime Minister, a role in which he (albeit only nominally) acted in name of the king.
>>1354812
"Decline" doesn't necessarily mean "deposition".
This is now a Monarchist thread
>>1354706
>Well a monarch or a monarch like leader has proven to be pretty bad compared to constitutional republics
You have all of Mena to just see how wrong you are.
Hobbes was right on everything.
>>1357797
You have the current era of unrivalled peace and prosperity to see what an idiotic edgelord you are.
>>1357838
>You have the current era of unrivalled peace and prosperity to see what an idiotic edgelord you are.
Where? In Europe? There is a thing called NATO,that stopped any possible continental war to happen at all,as the only superpower in the world chose to do so. If you go to the middle east you will see how well democracies perform compared to monarchies. You are just a fool that felt for the democracy meme.
>>1357855
NATO and that superpower are a product of democracy, you idiot cuck (I loathe that meme, but an ideology of people that desperately want to be ruled by a nice strong bull can't be described differently). The greatest nations on earth at this point are all democracies in some form or another (no, having a figurehead monarch with basically zero power does not make them not democracies), and we currently sit in the most peaceful era of human history in a world with unprecedented presence of democratic governments.
>>1357813
>Implying the economic reality was the same with franco than now
Go back to /pol/
>>1354680
Humans have no social nature. End of thread
>>1357872
>NATO and that superpower are a product of democracy
No. They are a product of 2 WWs and the cold war,dumb fuck.
> The greatest nations on earth at this point are all democracies in some form or anothe
No they are mostly tiny monarchies. And even if that was the case, correlation=/=causation.
> and we currently sit in the most peaceful era of human history
In Europe and NA. The middle east has been a chaos for decades,and in SA there are still operational guerrillas. And the supposed peace came due a big army outgunning the entire world combined,not because democracy . If you are really this dumb,there is no point to keep discussing.
>>1357891
>Implying the economic reality was the same with franco than now
Nice argument. Democracy is still clienteralist garbage,as it has been proven all the time
