Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
>>1350919
le function over form meme
Sometimes I wonder if in a few centuries people will look back and admire our architecture for whatever reason.
I can imagine some pretentious student going on about its "stoic simplicity" or something.
Of course it's just as possible everyone will look at the late 20th/early 21st century as an artistic dark age.
>>1350919
>I only go between my office and suburban house so the only buildings in the world are the ones I see while on thr bus
>>1350919
Because we don't buy le in accordance to nature buildings meme anymore.
>>1350919
Various city code enforcement and zoning ordinances.
>>1350919
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
14 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
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>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
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>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
209 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
1321 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
1789 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
1953 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
1999 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
2016 AD
And still people don't have the common sense to realize that every fool still yearns for the past.
>>1350951
Nice point you raise here senpai, but do you have quotes and sources to prove people said that in those dates?
>>1350960
Aren't revivalist movements evidence enough?
>>1351053
>Aren't revivalist movements evidence enough?
Not him, but revivalist movements usually produce something valuable though.
I mean, there are plenty of neo-classicist buildings that are aesthetically pleasing for example, which is vastly better than simply being a bourgeois romantic who yearns for an era that'll never come back.
>>1350919
That is a very good question
(Architect's Dream - Thomas Cole - 1840 - Toledo Museum of Art)
>>1350951
This fampai.
You know why Gothic architecture is called that? It was originally a pejorative. "Gothic" as in "crude and barbaric, as made by a bunch of filthy goths."
>>1350919
In my experience people who think that contemporary architecture is boring, bland etc. have no idea what kind of architecture is being made today.
Just check some short lists of architecture from 2015. It may not be your cup of tea, but some of the stuff is in my opinion anything but "lifeless" or "artificial".
http://www.businessinsider.com/arch-daily-best-new-buildings-2015-1?op=1
http://www.architecturaldigest.com/gallery/designs-of-the-year-finalists-slideshow/all
https://www.google.hr/search?newwindow=1&client=firefox-b&biw=1920&bih=943&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=architecture+2015+&oq=architecture+2015+&gs_l=img.3..0i30j0i5i30l9.3143.6488.0.7134.3.3.0.0.0.0.145.300.2j1.3.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.3.297...0j0i7i30.YY5-gh7D51U#imgrc=_
and that's only 2015 ...
>>1351165
Pic related is interesting. I don't know if I like it or not.
>>1351165
all that shit does look artificial as fuck though
>>1351140
Really? I've been told it was called "gothic" because it came in and swept (or at least tried to sweep away) the preceding Roman based architectural styles, just aways the goths did with the Roman empire.
>>1351203
I have some very terrible news for you: all buildings are artificial,
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
Because you have no clue what you're talking about.
>>1351165
>that pic
>in anyway appealing
Post-modern architecture has become as soulless and clinical as the styles the movement was made to oppose.
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>>1351165
Ugly sci-fi structures.
>>1351217
Yes, really.
>>1351224
hurr
you know what I meant
>>1351284
Ah, so what you're saying is "I have no appreciation for modern design, and want to be stuck mired in some sort of twee Hobbiton, surrounded by designs that are neither challenging, nor original."
Well, good to know. Fortunately, we dont live in 1916, and the rest of the world has moved on from your tastes. Deal with it.
>>1351289
>Modern architecture is tool to erase and undermine the West
Sometimes I miss the days before the internet when retards wouldn't have an echo chamber community to promote retarded views
>>1351289
kys
>>1351297
No i dont, unless this is some bullshit about "soul" or something.
>>1351284
>Irrelevance & peripheral countries.
>>1351302
really, you shouldnt insult retards like that.
retards are born with disabilities, a chromosome too many, or the likes. Most of them might be a bit slow, but they're not nearly as pants-on-head idiotic as that guy, who's clearly just a sad, delusional idiot lapping at the effluent from /pol/ or the likes.
Pathetic, but that guy is far worse than any retard. They have a viable reason for their cognitive dysfunction, his is just from plain ignorance.
>>1350919
Capitalist architecture reflects capitalism's nature perfectly.
>>1351298
My problem with modern architecture is the lack of form.
Take your pic for example. Why is it in that shape?
What impression am I supposed to have about that building or the people who inhabit it?
A building has good architecture if you can tell what it's supposed to be and how significant it is just by looking at it. I wouldn't know what the building in your pic was if it wasn't for the filename.
The Jews have subverted western architecture
>>1351302
But he's right.
>>1350919
A steel frame with glass panels reduces material costs of making a stone walls with holes for individual windows.
it also makes the structure as a whole lighter while not compromising structural integrity, allowing you to build higher for more floorspace for cheaper.
you can achieve the same objective with concrete with steel reinforcement, but it's just mad expensive compared to today's skyscrapers.
>>1351326
What? Apart from towers, churches and castles, most other buildings are just rectangles, regardless of function because that's a solid build.
>>1351298
This thing looks beautiful. Look how on the left it seems to rise like a wave from the sea. It looks so airy even though it's so seamless and solid. I really, really like it. Not that I know architecture besides the names for a few classical thingies.
>>1351326
>Some cunt builds a greco-roman building.
>Don't know if its a memorial, a library, a law court, or a city hall.
>>1351165
That's tasteless, not boring.
I mean, in a desert it would probably look good but god damn do glass-and-steel buildings tend look like garbage pretty much everywhere else.
>>1351333
>but he's right
Said no-one with a functioning brain, ever.
Seriously. You think that one example of modern art that clashes with a more traditional facade is "proof" that "the jews" are out to "erase and undermine the West"?
Really? In what kind of demented delusional fantasy do you think this is the case? Are you seriously trying to say that the modern architechture ternds which were pioneered by Le Corbusier, Walter Gropius, and the Bauhaus school are all "jewish"? Do you also think that the world is flat and the moon landings faked? Chemtrails? or is it reptilian aliens from the planet Nimburu who are going to take over the earth, in your demented fantasy?
Because that's how fucking pathetic and delusional you are, even suggesting that idiotic shit. Zaha Hadid who designed several of the buildings in this thread was an Iraqi. quarter of the buildings pictured are in China.
You have to be one seriously batshit insane fucker to actually believe the shit you're saying.
>>1351326
But that doesn't have to be a bad thing necessarily. In the past when one style dominated the whole continent for centuries, everyone knew what a Gothic church is suppose to look like. Only minor details were changed really. Today every architect puts his own vision of what the building is suppose to look like. Obviously there are influences, but the architecture has more freedom to express himself. If he wants to he can make a neo-Gothic cathedral or a futuristic cathedral. Such variety is in my opinion a strength of modern architecture. It would be horrible if we as a society were trapped in endless repetition of historistic styles, as some seem to be advocating on this board.
>>1351386
Its useless, he'll just spew some nonsense about cultural Marxism and entartete kunst. We're talking about idiots that haven't read a book in their life.
>>1351316
We leftists are so smart.., don't you know that cuckolding is an intellectual fetish,
>>1351394
I know. but even by the standards of frothing conspiracy theories mixed with neo nazi antisemitism, that one really stands out as a shining beacon of idiocy.
And given I live in the UK, and there's a wave of this madness going round right now, I had to call it out as the bullshit it is.
>>1351298
These things look like creeping metallic tumors filled with pomo and AIDS
>>1351289
The Jew hates and fears the White Christian. Everything the Jew touches he seeks to tear down and undermine and subvert.
>>1351399
and yet the boards with most right wingers like pol are the ones most obsessed with interracial porn and cuckolding. Must be a coincidence...
>>1351386
Found the Jew
>>1351406
Agreed.
>>1351418
New mosque in Rijeka, Croatia
>>1351425
No, I'm a reptilian from the planet Nimburu.
>>1351442
different view
>>1351322
OP here. This is a really wise answer.
>>1351400
>I know. but even by the standards of frothing conspiracy theories mixed with neo nazi antisemitism, that one really stands out as a shining beacon of idiocy.
Eh, not really. As I understand it, working backwards it's something like Modern architecture --> [intended to] attack traditional cultural values --> [utilizing] Critical theory --> [created by] Frankfurt school --> [which is the cultural wing of] Bolshevism --> [a movement created by] Jews.
It also doesn't help that many if not most of the people in all of these movements from bottom to top are Jewish.
>>1351322
Quality, efficiency, and safety?
Lel, ancient buildings BTFO.
>>1351456
what a lovely example of christian tolerance you are...
>>1351458
> Modern architecture --> [intended to] attack traditional cultural values
And the entire idea collapses at that point, because its not intended to "attack" anything.
It is an art form. its no different to any other art, in that regard.
>You employ stone, wood and concrete, and with these materials you build houses and palaces. That is construction. Ingenuity is at work.
>But suddenly you touch my heart, you do me good, I am happy and I say: This is beautiful. That is Architecture. Art enters in.
- Le Corbusier.
>>1351388
You can experiment without sacrificing coherent design.
>>1351418 is a good design because it's modernised while still keeping to the design principles of Middle Eastern architecture. Because of this, I can tell it's both an important building and related to Islam just by looking at it.
As for >>1351442 I wouldn't be able to tell that it was a mosque if it wasn't for the seemingly tacked on spire.
>>1351452
>t. 14-year-old
>>1351471
So you're arguing that artistic expression can't be politicized?
Because otherwise it's entirely possible to use art to attack something, same as any other form of expression, and many artists in fact claim to be making political statements with their art - modernists and postmodernists in particular, going all the way back to Marcel "fuck art" Duchamp himself.
>>1351555
No. I'm not arguing that artistic expression can or can not be politicised.
In fact, I'm not arguing anything of the sort, so where you got that idea from, I can only conclude its plucked from your imagination.
Bus since you raised that idea, while architecture can be politicised - the work of Albert Speer in the nazi schemes for Berlin for instance, the idea that Hadid, or Gehry, or Gropius or Van der Rohe, or Foster, Rogers, and Stirling, or any of the other major lights of modern architectural design from the mid-80's onward are some sort of pan-global Jewish conspiracy to undermine western cultural values, is, frankly, so utterly laughable that its the sort of verbal prolapse I'd expect from some fucking Stormfront White Power idiot...
Is it perhaps challenging the preconceived notion that a building must be a sterile, rectangular block? Yes. those designers have pushed the boundary, they've created organic curves and used new materials, computer design to create curves and compound shapes impossible to visualise a century ago, and that does challenge the preconceived notions of what a building's shape should be. But the entire idea that they're a fucking "jewish conspiracy" is absolute paranoid fantasy of the most pitiful level.
>>1350951
"No"
The Victorians knew they were making better buildings than their Georgian predecessors
>>1351298
CURRENT YEAR
>>1350951
14 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
>Let's start with the greeks and make it better
209 AD
>Architecture is okay.
>Let's just make things bigger
1321 AD
>Why was architecture so lifeless and artificial in the past ?
>[gothic intensifies]
1789 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
>Let's go back to the majesty of classicism
1900 AD
>Neoclassicism is boring, we need to make things pretty
>Neogothic and art deco ensues
1953 AD
>Why is architecture so full of useless decorations nowadays?
>Let's make it lifeless and artificial
1999 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
>Let's use glass instead of concrete then everything will be fine
2016 AD
>Why is architecture so lifeless and artificial nowadays, compared to other ages?
>Glass was not enough, let's twist and bend the walls and then everything will be fine
Fuck off
Gothic architecture was hated for the longest time
The Eiffel tower was originally called an eyesore
>>1350933
It'll be the former.
>oh god glass looks so much more cultured over this carbon nanotube shit
>>1351859
The Eiffel tower was called an eyesore by some and then got accepted quickly.
The Montparnasse tower was called an eyesore by some and now is called an eyesore by most.
>>1350935
>pretends to know OP's life
>>1351140
Lel it's actually true
>>1351900
Oh my god destroy that building.
>>1350927
Some would say it's exactly the opposite aka architects are building cities for birds to watch.
http://urbankchoze.blogspot.si/2015/08/point-of-view-matters-scourge-of.html
>>1351919
Nice read.
>>1351322
This. Also ancient and medieval socities were mostly governed by some form of dictatorship and to find a modern equivalent you need to look to fascist aesthetics and so on.
>>1351900
this is objectively still an eyesore
>>1351442
>Mosque in Croatia
>Muslims In Croatia
I thought they would have all left by now kek
>>1351959
Leave where ? They were born here.
>>1351810
pretty much this
>>1351322
>>1351452
>>1351950
Is it autism?
>>1350935
In an ideal world, the buildings you see on the bus to work shouldn't be displeasing to look at.
>>1350919
The problem of modern architecture is not that it is bland, it is that it is unhinged. It is not anchored to much of anything, not even form over function.
And yes, that reflects the reality we live in. Can't argue with that.
But that's what makes it to me so terrible. I prefer my architecture to be anchored to a fairytale. It's more pleasant to move in whenever my mind is turned off.
>>1351165
Thing is, Ghery's work has been vastly criticized for how impractical and wasteful it is, so that picture wasn't the best way to illustrate your point.
>>1351300
That's the thing, I would also like to walk in a city of JUST those at night. I however, do NOT want them built anywhere near cities where they would clash with the existing styles. That's my main grief where modern architecture is concerned
>>1352016
And in the real world, the bus has a commercial mesh over the windows, meshy enough to let in light, but dense enough for you not to be able to look out.
FUCK!
>>1352003
Effecency
>>1352063
Is this moral?
>>1352105
Nope, but weirdly enough, there's a lack of public outrage over this.
I guess the bus folk have become apathetic enough, but holy fuck is it terrible, I was on one of those on a rainy day, where you literally feel like you're enclosed in a moving box and can't even look outside to aleviate moving nausea.
It is super effective at raising cruicial funds for a public service that is operating at a loss though.
>>1351140
They were right though.
Romanesque and Neoclassic all the way lad.
>>1351610
Regardless if it's a jewish conspiracy or not, modern architecture is a clear departure from the traditional, the mai difference being that it's soulless and inhuman. Architecture is the most important form of art and being surrounded by modern architecture is demoralizing and has a huge negative effect on society.
>>1351322
Just like Communist architecture reflects communism perfectly!
>>1352186
Yes, notice how they'r pretty similar, both soulless, comming from materialistic ideologies.
>>1352195
Yeah but not only do commieblocks look awful, they're not even good in function.
>>1352202
What difference is there? Communist appartaments are smaller, but that's because communist countries are poor. At least communist cities tend to have more vegetation to cover some of the uglyness.
>>1352202
>they're not even good in function.
Only if you can't plan for shit, see: american developments and russian commieburbs
t.central european comfy commieblock dweller
>>1352255
>american suburbs
The housing's fine, it's just the planning is fucking retarded because muh sunday drives.
>>1351442
Muslims invade europe and use it up until islam corrupts society and stagnates it again.
They will call this the second islamic golden age...
>>1352182
Go back to /pol/ already. FFS tired of reading similar nonesense in every his thread these days.
Why do architecture threads attract the worst of /his/?
>>1352069
is that from akira
>>1352316
actually, I was on about the developments, such as Pruitt–Igoe.
You can't just plop down a bunch of flats and call it a day, considerations such as civic life, leasure activites, connectivity, walkability, proximity of jobs, education and so on come into practice.
Of course, american suburbs have the same problems, but since it's usually the middle class that inhabits them, they at least can afford transportation in the form of a car (which was not the case for Pruitt-Igoe), even if they need to sacrifice quite a bit of time for it.
>>1352344
Art threads are just as bad. Most posters here have little knowledge about art or just utter the same basic bitch opinions "omg modern art is so bad what happened to realism :(((", architecture is much the same. But replace realism with Gothic or some bullshit.
>>1350927
>the look of a building isn't part of its function
This is the real crime here, they forgot that we have to live in these cities and that we aren't emotionless robots
>>1352354
It's what happened here in Spain with the real state bubble. They just kept making disgusting buildings one after the other.
>>1351224
He means it lacks character
>>1352354
>>1352316
>>1352385
Anyway, after 9000 hours in paint, I tried to demonstrate how a successful commie suburb is designed, you compensate the high density habitation with other stuff, not with even more flats.
One other critical element is that it's full of grass and trees, 50% of why russian commieblocks look depressing is the muddy siberian winter.
not all commie blocks are depressing you just have to go more south, basicly far away from russia
pictured backyard
>>1352350
This is from Evangelion, mate.
>>1352426
also have a modern church
>>1352435
My main beef is always with the entrance. It looks like I'm entering a bank rather than a holy place.
>>1352437
My problem always was that it looked like a shoe
>>1351900
What was the purpose of building that.
>>1352344
Try posting a thread about contemporary art, you'll notice a pattern.
>>1352404
It's really well designed. Thanks for the input.
What kind of commie countries/areas have that planning?
Also in my defence Spain is also not that desertic, they just all take the pictures in summer and it's really fucking dry in summer in most of Spain.
they had to bulldose some beautifull of baroque buildings to erect this travasty
>>1352484
Yugo countries mostly have such a plan
>>1352471
original bulding was a copy-paste romanesque(?) wannabe anyway
nothing wrong with what happened to it desu
>>1352404
looks quite cosy, but I feel like they could have done better, I guess they stopped after achieving certain bureaucratically defined goals
>>1352502
No, they didn't. There was nothing before the old Ferimport building there. The reason it looks this way is that Ferimport was proclaimed a protected landmark by the city. So the new architect made a (shitty) design based on the construction of that old building. But, since we live in a travesty of a country, the old building was destroyed after the new design was already selected. So there was no point in making a new building based on an old construction, since there was no old construction anymore. They went with it anyway, I guess since they already paid for everything.
>>1352502
Sad.
All the people involved in building that, each morning, choose to wear matching clothes. The most tasteless of them resort to grey suits to make sure.
Why do they do things to the city that they wouldn't do to themselves ?
>>1352817
I'm not saying disliking modern art = automatic pleb. But the reasons given for preferring Realism or Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog or whatever are usually fairly plebeian.
>>1350919
Watch Midnight in Paris.
>>1351289
Yes this was obviously a callous and calculated attempt to deliberately rape and destroy gentile culture in the form of shitty beatnik tumor architecture. Truly a tragedy on par with the library of alexandria.
>>1350919
Do modernists have souls?
>>1352851
Plebeian tastes are just as good as yours though, if we're to be modern.
But you're no patrician, just pretentious.
>>1352926
WOW, you're not a good person.
>muh old buildings
>>1352817
I thought it was all relative.
>>1352961
Relativism is a disease.
>>1352944
someone's tastes doesn't say anything about whether they are a good person or not, calm down
>>1353006
The gods will reincarnate you into something terrible for this.
>>1353001
I thought that modernists had invented that disease.
>>1351140
It was also coined by a guy who lived after the style had seen its heyday.
>>1351316
Santiago Calatrava is a total shit architect.
Please stop posting his buildings as an example of good modern architecture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Calatrava#Criticism
>>1351165
why does it look like that???
can't explain???
other people are stupid!!!
>>1352340
Not the guy you're replying to, not even sure if I agree.. but that's a very typical discussion surrounding modern architecture. I hear it very often as a criticism in my classrooms. If many people think that being surrounded by dark glass structures is in some way depressing, perhaps their opinion isn't to be ostracized to /pol/
>>1350919
>ctrl+f
>spengler
>0 results
I'm disappointed.
>>1350919
A square, featureless, glass-walled tower produces the most usable square feet of office space relative to the building's footprint at the lowest possible cost.
Most buildings today are built by corporations that are answerable to a board of directors appointed by the shareholders interested in maximizing profits, or are built by government agencies with even more sever budgetary limits. Aesthetics simply aren't considered.
>dude what are you talking about modern architecture is so good look at this lumpy round building with no windows or this lumpy round building made of glass
>>1350927
It's not a meme, it's real. Before 1800, architects were primarily concerned with making things scaled to people sizes (like interior residential spaces are today) and not sized to transportation vehicles/elements. Nobody ever remembers a sexy port warehouse or boat ramp, because they were functional items meant to service trade.
Then the railroad happened, and architects had to design cathedrals around mobile sitting rooms (trains). However ultimately the lowest common demoninator was still individual people, so nonfucntional architectural elements were kept as considerations in most places. Then cars happened, and suddenly all streets became too small and crampt as a result. Architectural elements were already being done away with by the time the Jet Age began, airports (built around airplanes) being the ultimate antithesis of people-oriented design.
A good example is San Francisco. The original Ferry Building is a magnificent work of architecture, made totally useless by the Bay Bridge's Key System train which was built above it in the 1930s. With the discontinuation of ferry service the area went to shit as shops moved around the new Transbay Terminal. But by the 1960s, the Key System was replaced by two more traffic lanes and BART (with talk of a new southern crossing at hunters point to Oakland's new jet airport) so both buildings were surrounded by the concrete monstrosity that was the Embarcadero Freeway because that is what everyone was using. But that was eventually torn down as traffic became unmanageable.
My point is that architecture (or the lack of it) is directly reflective of how people use a given space.
>>1354204
For example, this is the San Bruno BART station. Notice how it's a parking garage, behind a shopping mall. Over 2/3rds of the space around it is devoted exclusively for car parking.
>>1350951
but todays cities literally look like shit
>>1352471
>a bland old building turned into something interesting
>>1354220
For comparison, this is the Fruitvale BART station. Notice how no space is given for cars. This is because most people in the area aren't middle class, and thus are more likely to commute by public transit.
>>1354240
>aren't middle class
by this I mean rich or poor, ie not middle income
>>1354204
>>1354220
>>1354240
>>1354242
Anyway, as the industrial revolution progressed and infected everyone, there became less and less reasons to pay for costly aesthetics that nobody would use, but more and more reasons to pay for ugly things like parking garages that they would use.
Another example is Oakland's 16th street station, the former terminus of the American Transcontinental Railroad. From the start this had light rail out front and a ferry terminal out back, until both were ripped out in the 1960s. Both were converted into parking lots. Then, following the collapse of the Cypress Viaduct during the Loma Prieta earthquake, the station itself was totally abandoned and turned (mostly) into a 12-lane surface freeway. Today the station is cold storage for it's owner, Union Pacific.
An important thing to note: even though the Alameda station had "modest" aesthetics (ie 8-inch asphalt and wood plank platforms), it still had them. The Cypress Viaduct did not, and neither does the current freeway. All the services for them (gas stations, drive throughs, walmart etc) don't either because that's not what people want. When people wanted aesthetics, they wanted them in their cars and not their buildings. This is an important distinction of late twentieth century culture.
Daily reminder that systems like +15 and the Minneapolis Skyway System need to become more common.
Daily reminder that skyways are the future
>>1354260
As a bonus: this is what replaced it. Yes, there is a train station (MacArthur BART) hidden in there. Passengers access it by walking under the freeway.
>>1354273
Notice the total lack of decoration, and the fact that both cars and trains get to go over the pedestrian areas (which is totally isolated from the rest of the city, by two high speed off-ramps and an 4-lane avenue). This is done because the decision was made early on that pedestrian access, people, were less important than cars. This is what function-first architecture is all about.
That said, the alternative is ARTIC (the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center) which is a giant blue blob that isn't useful for anyone.
>>1354281
And this is the other extreme: total form over function. The architect here wanted people to park in front and walk through the station to the train tracks. Most people park in back (at the lower part of the image) because that's an easier walk. The $200 million station complex is thus totally ignored by the majority of it's users.
ARTIC is a perfect example as to why train stations and ferry terminals became so disused: because people prefer to park in back rather than walk through the fancy waiting area. And thus, this is why most architecture sucks today: most people would rather park in back. There is no reason for architects to do fancy things if people won't bother with it.
Need more gargoyles.
>rose tinted glasses
>>1354321
Because reconciling three modes of transport (cars, trains, and pedestrians) is enormously difficult and not one which is taught in engineering school.
>>1354337
Additionally, perspective changes dramatically between these three.
>>1350960
its in the pudding dude
>>1351253
that's nice
>>1354321
as >>1354337 said it's not easy, most just opt to drop cars or drop pedestrian access. In the case of BART, their SF stations are all ped-focused, while their Contra Costa stations (except Richmond) are car-focused.
Also on another note, BART in general has a huge problem being an S-bahn type system but without any regional transit compatibility (as BART doesn't use standard gauge) but also not enough downtown access (ie like an urban metro does). Half the system is built for suburban car access, the other half for urban pedestrian access.
http://mapscroll.blogspot.com/2009/05/bart-vs-metrorail-how-and-how-not-to.html
>>1351322
wow dude so deep pass me that weed
>>1351338
good post
>>1350919
The areas of the surfaces you'd want to decorate scale much faster than the linear dimensions of length, width, height. If you want grandiose modern architecture, try Vegas.
>>1351165
>Frank Gehry
REMOVE GEHRY
REMOVE STARCHITECTS
I'D RATHER HAVE LIFELESS THAN CANCEROUS EYESORES THAT CAUSE CRIME RATES TO GO UP OR DAMAGE OTHER BUILDINGS
>>1352435
It looks like a Pokémon
>>1354734
>Vegas
Still lifeless and artificial.
>>1351900
stop spreading lies
there's no such building in paris
>>1351140
This is just a complete opposite case. They labelled Gothic architecture that way when Rennaissance architecture was emerging first. They regarded modern architecture actually as superior.
I don't know much about architecture but desu I find that if you plant some modern building in a city full of old-ass buildings it just looks so gross and out of place like >>1351900 does there. Or >>1356098 for that matter, it just looks so jarring and out of place. I'd rather buildings were designed to fit their surroundings, be it modernist or not.
>>1351900
DELETE THIS
>>1350919
The vast majority of architecture has always been dull we just have the ability to look at the best examples of years past. Also we can make dull structures on scale unimaginable before
>>1350919
Randian fascism and its sociopathic aesthetics.
>>1351361
>Glass buildings
>In a desert
That's a very bad idea anon. You'd be cooked alive.
>>1352151
Gothic architecture is far superior to both Romanesque and neoclassical.
>>1352453
Rich elites want to sit on an investment goldmine in an expensive city.\
The same reason that it's tolerated that a tower in Britain literally focuses light on the surrounding area like a magnifying glass given the right circumstances. You are at the ultimate mercy of the financial decisions of these shitlords.
>>1352086
That thing would have been badass
>>1350919
It isn't. You just write off things that aren't as either older than they really are or just ignore them completely.
>>1351284
so what is better?
>boring and lifeless romance churches and castles, which are essentially the pinaccle of function over form
>unoriginal and simple renessaince houses in Italy
>pastel-coloured and omnipresent baroque architecture, that embodies both lack of taste and boring Austrian/Czech small towns
>ugly and also omnipresent baroque churches with terrible paintings and cheap ass gold imitations, that is supposed to look expensive
>classicist antique knock-offs, that are literally recycling 1000 years old ideas and somehow make them less interesting
>romantic fake ruins and imitating gothic
>positivist fake pagodas and imitating classicism
>modernist cubic villas made of concrete
>brutalist LITERALLY FUNCTION OVER FORM ARMED CONCRETE
>modern commieblocks
or, perhaps the dominant structure throught all the ages
>wooden cottage with hay as the roof, no chimney and livestock inside to keep warm
Every age in the world was more concerned with making a building that serves its purpose than a one that looks good. The ones that remain to this day are the ones that somehow were deemed valuable enough not to be destroyed. These were palaces, important churches and such. Come to central Europe and you will vomit with your precious baroque.
>>1351140
It's very funny, my sister became part of an extremely religious Christian congregation, and they praise medieval life and live and breath Gothic architecture for their churches. They try to act refined and say "less cultured people" (i.e. plebs, but that includes everyone who is not part of their congregation) are like barbarians. They also do shit like censor classic art in books and call them degenerates.
I once brought up the Goths were very much barbarians, that Gothic comes from a comparison to them and how it was barbaric to the cultured Romans, and how real "cultured" christian post-classical architecture would be found in the Byzantine area of influence (see the Hagia Sophia and how much more competent its construction was compared to western medieval cathedrals).
My sister's response was a real life version of
>DELET THIS
>>1351900
Is that photoshopped in?
>>1358295
Las Vegas and Phoenix are lousy with glass towers.
This is the new skyscraper in my town.
>>1356098
how does this get approved?
Brutalism is the bess.
>>1351268
I love this.
Personally I really like the cabin in the woods design and use of natural materials.
But aesthetically this picture u posted, I mean, a fool would fail to see the beauty in it.
Its wonderfully futuristic and I want to see more of it.
Urban areas need to follow these design cues.
>>1351442
Shiet I live there and havent seen it yet.
>>1360020
Through the power of buzzwords, like most starchitect or stardesigners of buildings and urban furniture.
"Libeskind added a transparent arrowhead to the façade of the building, creating an outwardly visible expression of innovation.[3] This striking element is also reflected in the logo of the museum. The architect wanted to penetrate the historic arsenal and create a new experience with the addition. The openness and transparency of the new façade, representing the openness of democratic society, contrasts with the rigidity of the existing building, which represents the severity of the authoritarian past."
>>1360566
hahahahahahaha
I love shitposting like that.
I used to get A's in philosophy classes all the time, it makes me happy to lose people in texts I wrote.
Was idolized by teacher.
She was nuts though.
>>1360566
Also, that actually does make sense.
Ownership structures. Buildings used to be built and owned by nobles/governments/businessmen. These usually had their own taste or at least required something for representative purposes.
Nowadays buildings are owned by large associations which don't really give a fuck about how things look.
>>1358395
>>boring and lifeless romance churches and castles, which are essentially the pinaccle of function over form
>Form has no function
Ebin. Absolutely ebin.
>>1358395
>Versailles
>>1360566
>The architect wanted to penetrate the historic arsenal and create a new experience with the addition.
that's some freudian shit right there
>>1351456
CRAAAAAWLING IIIIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIN
