Hello /his/
When following the news lately nationalism seems to be on the rise in Europe, especially since the refugee crisis is increasing people only seem to care about their own kind.
Nationalist partys in many countries seem to aquire more and more support.
My question is the following: has this happened before?
Please refrain from discussing the current refugee crisis, lets just focus on periods in history which can be compared to today.
I hope you guys could shed some light on this situation.
Thanks :)
Pic semi-related.
>>1347640
I can't possibly think of any periods throughout history where a nation has seen a surge in nationalism and proceeded to reject anyone who wasn't from there. Nope. Nothing at all. Oh well. Maybe if I do some research I might find something.
Has the world gone soft /his/?
>>1347664
it's different this time tho since unlike jews and poles, muslims actually deserve it
prove me wrong
>>1347640
>the refugee crisis is increasing people only seem to care about their own kind.
You mean like the people that believe they can just waltz into any fucking country they want and ignore their immigration laws?
>>1347640
A sociology book on ideology and system justyfing beliefs said that under certain conditions people would become more conservative in their beliefs. That conditions name? External threat.
I don't think it's that weird. Napoleon was crushed by the other powers but French Revolutionary values are now the norm in Europe.
It's strange to say it, but Hitler might win out in the end. People are sick of the supposed binary choices they have.
The modern surge of nationalism (particularly in Europe) is largely a reaction against neoliberal globalization. In that way, it's unique (given that neoliberalism is a fairly new phenomenon). Of course, nationalism as a reaction against rapid social and economic change is nothing new; one need only look at right-wing French politics since the Revolution, or the rise of fascism in Europe in the 30s.
>>1347698
i've been arguing with liberals on another site for months now that neoliberalism and globalization are the primary causes of the nationalist upsurge and they just refuse to believe it. they think that it just comes down to racism.
it's incredibly frustrating to argue with these people because they refuse to believe that their economic system can be blamed for anything.
>>1347698
I think it is that people feel they have little control on policies and turn to their nation to give them back that sense of control. I've heard numerous times the critique of EU that people don't want people somewhere from far (Brussels) to decide their policies.
>>1347709
Interestingly, a book I just finished talked about how government replaced God in some ways. I guess there's more trust in a national government.
>>1347674
>implying jews and poles didn't have it coming
>>1347703
>they think that it just comes down to racism.
The goal was never to legitimize anti-globalist reactionism. Do not think for a second that their handlers (multinational corporations and globalist policy makers) want a fair debate on the subject. Labeling nationalistic sentiment as racist and xenophobic is more effective than any other tactic.
Cracks me up that European socialists suddenly care about markets and economics when it's backing their cause.
>>1347640
Weimar republic
>>1347640
>Nationalistic
Nationalism is a mordern meme started by the French revolution
>>1347836
It isn't even such an effective tactic. According to sociology when you attack peoples ideas they grow stronger.
Just look at Donald Trump. The constant ridicule of the media has only made his support grow.
>>1347844
>It isn't even such an effective tactic.
maybe not in the short term, but when the globalists control the distribution of information and the history books, you can control a generation.
Forgive me if this is the wrong thread to do this in, but can someone explain what globalism is and its pros and cons?
I've seen it thrown about a lot recently.
>>1348381
Essentially, exploiting the most poverty tier nations on the planet, for resources and labor, in order to trade the goods, services, and resources they create for maximum profits in first world nations.
Why manufacture goods in the first world when you can pay a third world fool to do the same job for 1% of the cost? Why build a factory in the first world when you can build the same factory in the third world for less, and don't have to worry about pesky environmental and labor regulations? Why pay a first world citizen to do anything when you can get a third world fuck to do it for less, and don't have to provide them with any health insurance, safety equipment, vacation time, sick leave, or even training.
>>1347640
Yes.
This exact same thing happened in the 1980s and that's where the main nationalist parties of Britain, France, and possibly other European countries had their genesis. What we're experiencing is more akin to that than the fascist movements following WW1.
>>1347924
That sounds a bit improbable. I do think that the media has tendencies to be an echochamber, and that a cultural elite has the influence in what is dictated at school, but I do not see it happening that information and books will be fully controled.
>>1347640
When the people (justly) believe that their leaders have sold them down the river, they band together to stop it
>>1347640
WWI and WWII and the Cold War and most of the wars in the middle east since the fall of the USSR and Napoleon and The American revolution.
>>1347674
>Muslims fleeing from the land that was fucked up Europeans and the US.
Seems like Europe deserves it. It being, having their egos bruised. Which is all that is happening. Nothing more than a person getting mad seeing a brown guy. Which is what they deserve. They deserve to suffer in this way if they're nationalistic. It's actually harmless, and all in their heads, so it's funny to see it happen. It's like spraying a cat with water for shitting on the rug.
Maybe if white people weren't sucking Saudi dick for oil like hookers, Muslims wouldn't have to deal with a shit ton of proxy wars and control for oil on their land.
>>1347679
Does Europe not have police and courts? Because this is the only reason stuff like this could happen. Which would seem odd. How can Europe claim immigrants should follow the law if Europe doesn't have law?
Oh, you are just retarded. I see now.
>>1347836
Because they're not actually socialists, they're establishment left-liberals.
>>1348442
I don't think you understand exactly how the media works. First you look at your facebook trending section and read "Texas lawmakers making controversial changes to history textbooks." You click on the carefully curated link to get to the juicy bits. "Influence of Jefferson diminished," "importance of gun rights emphasized," "nationalistic Alamo sentiment increased," might be some of the bullet points summarized by the "journalist." You never actually read the changes for yourself, you just take his word for it because you are an average American.
You see, your view of high school curriculum was either a neutral or a fair one up until this point. It was the corrupt conservative lawmakers who brought this evil article to you via controversy and facebook "algorithms."
now meanwhile, you have east coast teachers unions who have been vying for a lauding chapter in every american history book in the country. no one says anything. no gotcha piece with damaging quotes is ever written. so you unknowingly accept this as the norm. "they never write about liberals so therefore liberals are the good guys!"
apply this to every issue ever and you get the state of West media. society can't simply deflect this level of brainwashing.
>>1347703
Globalization is the cause of the nationalist upsurge.
But nationalism is basically the same shit as racism. It's tribalism. it's all the same primal monkey part of our brains reaction out of fear. We evolved to fear and fight nearby packs who want our feeding grounds and women.
We don't live as packs, though. And globalization is inevitable. Cultures comes and go. They are born, they meld, and die. cultures are more human than objective lines in the sand. Europe has become very Americanized. America is very influenced by Natives and Africans, even though European influence is the most significant.
Rejecting globalism is accepting poverty. That's the cold hard fact. For example, Britain can not live forever on it's money left over from the colonial era. Their government probably won't follow through with leaving the EU, because it's a horrible long term choice to make, and has no benefit in the short or long term.
>>1348488
It's called "Human Rights", the civil religion of global liberalism. For every illegal we eventually deport, 100 more arrive
>>1348520
that doesn't matter.
They aren't hurting anyone. Humans beings are escaping a war over oil. have some fucking empathy.
if they break the law, like steal or vandalize, then they get caught and the law is put into place. if they can't be arrested, then your legal system has far bigger issues than some brown people that don't have the right paperwork.
Are your police underfunded? Incompetent? I didn't know Baltimore had an immigrant problem. *ba dum, tss*
>>1348550
Tell that to the Native American's
>>1347640
Anti-monarchic revolutions of the 19th century
Almost all countries had rebellions against the way the government did things and wanted the common people to take part in it. Rather than caring about their own kind against other nationalities, they cared about their own kind against the ruling class
And of course early 20th century where people started caring about their own ideologies against others'
I don't know what will we care about after these ones
In another way, it's just people finding out they're being suppressed and trying to force the pendulum back
With suppressed/free at the extremes we have
<Absolute Monarchy -french revolution type rebellions- >>> Constitutional Monarchy/Parliament
>Rule of the common man -Nationalist revolutions- <<< Rule of the "intellectuals"
<Political correctness -voting for rational decisions- >>> (Power back to the common man?)
>>1348579
The Native Americans were being invaded.
With an actual army.
in an era were people with guns were racing to control as many people without guns as possible.
Where 9 out of 10 died of disease, which was a cause of happenstance. Europeans didn't make Native Americans not exposed to small pox for thousands of years.
It's a completely different scenario, and it's dishonest at best to make the comparison to refugees.
>>1348585
With this yes, I am implying that political correctness is a tool for the intellectuals to keep power.
It obliviously goes against the common man's interests: financial setback to give free shit to non-countrymen, having non-countrymen come in the country to receive money, jobs, housing (from the common man's pockets), invalidating the common man's arguments purely on the fact that they're based on place of origin (how the fuck would you avoid it, and WHY the fuck would you), having the common man accept demential sexual inclination on the retarded basis of having to be nice to everyone (aside from the common man himself, he can and should be penalized) etc.
>>1348505
Ok mate here's the thing: I am Dutch and I think the left-right dichotomy is wank. So I'll admit though that I'm more left leaning. Next thing: not on Facebook but am going to since it is expected these days (will probably shield myself of politics though).
That having said there's no doubt that there's a policy of liberalizing. The elite is liberal and they are the ones behind (these) policies. I have noticed how movies and such stuff are made more liberal.
I think communism is retarded, but Karl Marx was right about class warfare. I see an elite which is liberal and a working class who is mostly conservative and yea it is clashing.
So I agree with you mate that there's an agenda being pushed by a liberal elite. But I don't see a total control happening.
Hope I understood you correctly.
>>1348550
Oh please. They may not be hurting anyone now but they are hurting the future of their host country mainly due to their birthrate in comparison to the birthrate of most native european countries. In all honesty, I'd be a lot more willing to take them if they werent Muslim. I say this because I fully believe that Islam is nigh incompatible with Western liberal democracies, a way of life which is regarded as decadent and backwards in Islam.
When they outbreed Europeans and a demographic shift happens where there is a majority of Muslims in a western liberal democracy, you will see how they have the potential to harm.
>>1348601
North American natives weren't invaded with actual European armies until they proved to be a danger to their settlers. Obviously it's not the same thing for South American natives, though.
>>1348601
>The Native Americans were being invaded. With an actual army.
The Europeans that migrated there over hundreds of years did so overwhelmingly on the basis of attaining a better life. Indeed the Pilgrims were escaping persecution at home. Do not be fooled, manifest destiny was not the policy of Empire, but the individual migrants American Dream.
You can pick hair all you want in any analogy you don't like but the reality of humanity is we are species defined by conflict precisely because we live in contested space where resources are limited.
Not that I don't sympathise with the migrants escaping war to Europe. But that does not make them a force for good in our own society, they are humans just like us. The difference being I recognise their right to difference. I do not expect any other continent on the earth to accept masses of westerners who undermine their own cultures and societies when thier prejudices are entirely legitimate and historically material
>>1348625
The work of an intellectual is not to mould the political will of others; it is, through the analyses that he does in his own field, to re-examine evidence and assumptions, to shake up habitual ways of working and thinking, to dissipate conventional familiarities, to re-evaluate rules and institutions and to participate in the formation of a political will (where he has his role as citizen to play).
>>1348630
I've noticed when visiting a board of Dutch muslims that young muslims westernize quickly and in some extent are more liberal as I am.
The biggest problems seem to be Turkish nationalism, anti-semitism and crime amongst muslims in the Netherlands.
But what do I know, I am from the rural part of the country and highly educated: I do not come in contact with muslims often.
The strategic adversary is fascism... the fascism in us all, in our heads and in our everyday behavior, the fascism that causes us to love power, to desire the very thing that dominates and exploits us.
>>1348647
>not to mould the political will of others
Sure, the point is INVALIDATING the political opinion of others. It ignores identities and starts from the supposition that everyone is equal, it ignores personal interests in exchange for moral highground which is used for validation of the self and invalidation of the opponents.
It's a circlejerk.
>>1348677
>Sure, the point is INVALIDATING the political opinion of others
Yes.
>>1348550
>elites start a war in the me
>has and always had shit support
>no common people wanted this war
>opec, israel, and suadi arabia insist on the war
>it turns to shit
>the rise of isis
>european countries flooding with third world muslims
>elites live in fancy gated communities
>its the common mans fault for being against it
>>1348682
By looking at who's the nicer guy.
A society based upon who's more welcoming to outside societies cannot survive.
>>1348656
The problem is they don't want to assimilate (and nor should they be coerced to), however at the same time they cannot accept the Nation-state model of Netherlands for the Dutch people. So they galvanise around their own ethnic nationalism and try to bring it into other nation-states.
You want to see what a "multicultural" Holland would be like? Lebanon, a society of self-segregation and a hodge podge of ethnic enclaves characterised by weak unstable government and the constant looming threat of violence
>>1347698
This.
>>1348704
I do not know enough about it to say whatever you are right.
But I can tell ya that Holland is not a friend of mine. It is a region not thought highly of in the region I am from.
The world has turned into one big Weimar Republic waiting for a savior to get it out of the mud.
>>1348694
>A society based upon who's more welcoming to outside societies cannot survive.
None of this is about that. It is about it to you, but other people are thinking of other significant issues, and simply put, people who do complain about immigration are none to point fingers at greater systemic problems arisen that allow such an influx of the poor and the unwanted in the first place. And my gut reaction is to point the finger at the one with clearer malice. The West.
>>1348579
The Native American's what?
>>1348771
The Native American's erasure of a once proud race on their own territory
>>1348767
Just listen to yourself. If you're not irrationally nice your argument is invalid. I can imagine what's the thing more important than ensuring a future for your kind. And you know why you don't like your kind compared to others. Because it gives your opinion special status.
>>1348798
>Just listen to yourself. If you're not irrationally nice your argument is invalid
Isn't what I said at all.
> I can imagine what's the thing more important than ensuring a future for your kind.
My kind?
>And you know why you don't like your kind compared to others. Because it gives your opinion special status.
This has nothing to do with what I said, at all. You're making assumptions of motive instead of grasping the meat of the matter.
>>1348485
>It's actually harmless, and all in their heads
t. mentally deranged cuckold
>>1348550
>They aren't hurting anyone
top kek, upvoted
>>1348767
Just because the liberal elite in the West is exploiting the rest of the world does not make any victim in principle virtious.
This is dehumanising an entire people by saying that they actually have no agency to do good or bad things themselves. While the West did have a part in manufactoruing ISIS, the ME has been going through sectarian strife for centuries long before western capitalists starting poking around
>>1348485
Kys.
>>1348704
>nor should they be coerced to
Yeah they should.
You want to live in the west, you live by its laws
>>1348818
Those are English imports straight out of Pakistan though. Not recent wave IIRC
>>1348825
You're correct, but I think he's showing what the descendants of the migrants will be doing
>>1346986>>1348816
>Just because the liberal elite in the West is exploiting the rest of the world does not make any victim in principle virtious.
So are we to assume all are not? You pride yourselves on believing in the tenants of the west, individuality and so on so forth, yet when you become afraid and hysterical, you are just as easy to shed them for the convenience of those seen logical that are not.
>This is dehumanising an entire people by saying that they actually have no agency to do good or bad things themselves.
On the contrary, if dehumanization is your worry, why not expand your horizons?
>While the West did have a part in manufactoruing ISIS, the ME has been going through sectarian strife for centuries
It was secular at one point. We manufactured the demise of its secularism.
>long before western capitalists starting poking around
True it was violent once, then again so was Europe. At its secular, the west saw a way to destroy it. Blame the Cold War.
>>1348830
All of them?
>>1348809
Mainstream political discussion is based upon who has the most welcoming opinion, all you're saying is you disagree but won't clearly explain why.
I'm pretending you're from a western country, if you're not you aren't doing anything wrong other than taking advantage of the current western way of thinking.
It has everything to do with what you say, because it's what makes you say it and that is the true "meat of the matter"
>>1348836
Barbarism is in their culture
>>1348842
You didn't answer. Descendants of white people will also be raping children.
>>1348833
What was secular? Most of these migrants are goatherds and their like, they have always been the way they are.
And don't act like it was only the West that is to blame. The people willingly drank of the chalice they were provided, or else they would have overthrown the imposed rulers and returned to the old
>>1348839
>Mainstream political discussion is based upon who has the most welcoming opinion, all you're saying is you disagree but won't clearly explain why.
I'm saying that regardless of what you do wwith the immigrants, the systems in place to create more poor, more unwanted, more immigrants in the first place, are there.
As long as The United States is in a perpetual state of war due to demand of blood on the market, or, the defense industry to supply the one thing we fund the most, you will not see change.
You can throw away immigrants, but still more pop up. You can throw them out and yel at them for being uneducated while in a single breath not thinking of the greater scope of the problem.
>I'm pretending you're from a western country, if you're not you aren't doing anything wrong other than taking advantage of the current western way of thinking.
I am.
>It has everything to do with what you say, because it's what makes you say it and that is the true "meat of the matter"
The meat of the matter is the problem you seek are not immigrants but think tanks.
>>1348847
Yes, but most Europeans are secular, while the Muslim's paragon of virtue married a 9 year old girl.
But good job comparing apples and oranges
>>1348858
>while the Muslim's paragon of virtue married a 9 year old girl.
Royalty in the west was also keen on underage marriages. And some nice recent cases of pedophilia in church.
The point is, assuming muslims do have for example higher rape rate, what's the qualification for good and bad immigration? Let's say in UK you have many immigrants from other nations with better crime records than natives. Why aren't natives the evil ones there?
Bringing Pakistan when talking about mostly Syria centered refuges also isn't exactly nice.
>>1348872
Yes, key word here WAS. And everybody knows the priests are pedophilic, do you see anyone defending them?
Good immigration: Productive, crime stats are equal or better than natives
Bad immigration: Lazy, crime stars are worse than natives
And yes, it isn't exactly nice. Syrians are far more barbaric
>>1348880
I think we should rather deport natives if they have worse crime rate/productivity than immigrants.
>was
There are apparently liberal Muslims even some rarer pro gay ones.
>Syrians
I don't really get the far more barbaric part but you would have the right to be pretty pissed if you were a Pole and got shit on because of a group of Hungarians.
>>1348888
That's a good idea, but bleeding hearts would stop you before you get that plan off the ground.
>>1348849
>What was secular?
Iran. The rise of the Shah had geopolitical ramifications for developing regions around it.
>And don't act like it was only the West that is to blame
It was.
>The people willingly drank of the chalice they were provided
Because nationalist forces like Mujahadeen that condemned rights and education were funded far over than their secular comrades. Or how about Saddam?
In the same situation, men like you who only have the shallowest analysis of these events would always be first to fall for them, and yet you criticize them for failing? Nobody has the power to fight against that which is backed by the US of A.
>>1348855
>the systems in place to create more poor, more unwanted, more immigrants in the first place, are there
And fixing it is not as much of a priority as making it stop being a burden on the west, as it's something that is far harder to accomplish and accommodating them is not a sustainable option
>As long as The United States is in a perpetual state of war due to demand of blood on the market, or, the defense industry to supply the one thing we fund the most, you will not see change.
And how the hell do you want to fix that? By some counterproductive means that do worse harm in the process?
>the problem you seek are not immigrants but think tanks.
Yeah, that's why I'm not arguing with an immigrant. More than that is what drives these people to do what they do and who gives them power, and those are political correctness and the people vouching for it.
>>1348893
Well besides the part where our population starts running out and people will get deported for no real reason of their own making which shits on western values and human rights.
Probably also something having to do with country being in poverty.
>>1348899
And notice how we haven't got any Iranian refugees flooding into Europe?
>It was
Sure, whatever you say
>Because nationalist forces like Mujahadeen that condemned rights and education were funded far over than their secular comrades. Or how about Saddam?
Based retard.
Do you not realize the cognitive dissonance of claiming that the ME people embraced secularization, but then were forced into the past? Who are you to say, ignorant Westerner as you are?
Mayhap the people were dragged into secularization and gladly reverted to Islamism
>>1348914
>>Do you not realize the cognitive dissonance of claiming that the ME people embraced secularization, but then were forced into the past?
They did. But by over funding nationalists and fundamentalists who promise to do whatever the United States said, against the Soviet Union.
Do you think the Mujahadeen, or Saddam, anyone in that region at the time, came to power by Democracy?
This is a farce, you know my point well. Put into the same situation, regardless, men like you who only have the shallowest analysis of these events would always be first to fall for these nationalist powers as you currently are.
I live in Western Europe and im glad with the stronger nationalist feelings. Although I know many on /his/ would despise me for that.
>>1348920
I don't get it. Nationalist feelings led Europe to way too many wars. Worst other things that could happen otherwise is some cultural bullshit because not enough people speak my language.
I don't think there are any comparable situations because I don't think we've ever had a society where locational identity has mattered less. We've never had a situation where tribalism or nationalism has risen because historically it has occupied the space you are worried it will start to occupy again.
>>1348919
The fact that they are dictators has no relation; rather, regard the fact how quickly they degenerated. If the people were really that secular, there would have been way more push back.
But clearly, struck with the white man's burden as you are, believe that you must save them from their fate
>>1348927
Where are you from?
>>1348930
Poland
>>1348927
Ah, but this time it is different. It is not my country vs yours, more of "ourway of life vs theirs", bound together with pan europeanism.
There will be no war between countries
>>1348927
Unless you consider that the reason no one goes to big wars anymore is that they cost more than they're worth and it has nothing to do with liking your country
I don't think people realize that nationalism makes local rivalries rather strong.
They think 'oh, it will preserve our "nation against those barbarians" or something, but then they don't realize is that when two nationalistic people border each other, and there is a disagreement, it gets heated. Poland is already building up its army in case Russia attacks, or something.
Retards thinking nationalism is some 'pro white' movement or something don't know shit.
>>1348929
>regard the fact how quickly they degenerated
This goes beyond their own election to neoliberal practice, not long after we funded Saddam that he went rogue and triggered the Gulf War, already his policy suffering the people there. Twin pronged effect made Iraq inhospitable, appealing the locals to ditch secularism by over funding their more terroristic, threats of violence by our money brought these nations to their needs.
And yet you, in utter arrogance to fact, demand the west be seen as scot free in this whole affair? What will happen when more migrants keep coming instead of leaving? What happens when you ship them back? Do you think this problem can ever be solve with your insignificant foresight?
One generation can cause much difference, for example, the past one's man was far smarter than you in the West seemingly.
>>1348933
I can imagine why you think that. I'm Dutch and I see my people losing its identity more and more every day due to the policies of the global, cosmopolitan elite. The fact that I want to preserve my nation's ethnic make-up, cultures and traditions does not mean I would go fight Poland because the goverment said so. In fact, many nationalist movements were high jacked by elites giving them a bad reputation but as anon said >>1348929 I think this "nationalism", or rather national preservation, is different.
>>1348934
>pan europeanism.
That's globalism and multiculturalism. No matter how you look at it.
>There will be no war between countries
>hippie shit.
>>1348934
I can't really differentiate between French way of life and let's say German or English way of life. They all seem just western or American with a bit of original cuisine and funny language. There are probably same difference between American states.
>>1348939
I doubt that. Our lack of wars is centered around mostly interwoven economy and even culture like shitposting on chinese image boards and NATO leftover from Cold War, and probably nukes. We've seen enough wars where those conditions weren't met recently. Even Ukraine situation was/still is dangerous. Nationalism doesn't really support either of those besides maybe nukes.
>>1348952
>interwoven economy
>NATO
>Nukes
Exactly why they're not worth it anymore, nationalism wouldn't change one bit
>>1348952
There is more or less overlapping. But trust me they differ. Roles in relationships, (work)ethics, gender roles vary quite a lot from country to country. Coming from a Dutchman with a Spanish girlfriend.
>>1348944
I do not claim the West is scot free, they had a big part, but it is naive to claim that the natives were just shanghaied along for the ride. Not to mention that just because some CIA directors and oil company execs ordered this strike on the ME all of the West must pay for their sins.
>What will happen when more migrants keep coming instead of leaving?
Deporting them is merely a temporary solution, I know that their problems must be fixed, but the same people that are calling for their coming into Europe are the same ones that continue to destabilize the Middle East (Iraq, Libya)
>What happens when you ship them back?
Hopefully, they die
> the past one's man was far smarter than you in the West seemingly.
Nice retort, did you perchance learn it on Reddit?
>>1347730
Would you mind linking it?
>>1348847
Except an indigenous white person, raping someone will not be the fault of race traitors who let that person's ancestors into their country.
'hey guys, this Concert of Europe will last forever'.
>>1348485
>Seems like Europe deserves it. It being, having their egos bruised.
Why do they deserve that?
>>1348964
>all of the West must pay for their sins.
never did I say "all of the west" You simply aren't fucking listening to a goddamn thing I fucking say.
I said The Western Government's must pay for the systematic destabilizing of the Middle East and South/Central America by funding nationalist coups, contras, and radicals. All for the market's survival and ideological war.
This is more sick than anything a terrorist could do.
>Deporting them is merely a temporary solution, I know that their problems must be fixed, but the same people that are calling for their coming into Europe are the same ones that continue to destabilize the Middle East (Iraq, Libya)
If you are angry at the foriegners for being violent terrorists, look no further than the United States itself.
>Hopefully, they die
Never have I lost hope for any generation faster than I am losing faith in yours. Nobody, ever, has been as stupid as the young people I see growing up today.
>Nice retort, did you perchance learn it on Reddit?
No, I'm just observing what I see. What I see is stupid.
>where each and every country has the feeling that their homeland is threatened
the bronze age comes to mind
>>1348945
I think you are just looking at people, mostly newer generations, choosing the more comfortable way of life for them. Change is imminent. You can't really call it evil. You can even look at Catholic Church and how it changed across centuries becoming more and more lax and liberal. Nobody is really doing anything to eradicate or forbid any European language.
If you want to stop losing your identity you have to cut the flow of information in any form or/and use tons of propaganda of sorts. Even just cutting migration wouldn't stop it.
>>1348962
I am mostly afraid because many countries don't have nuclear weapons and they still can be used even if they provide a scare. Rise of nationalism can in particular concentrate rather on direction of hatred towards foreign institutions and many of those ties being cut.
>>1348880
>>1348888
Bad immigrants to Europe (outside a small number of East Asians) are non-whites. By having a healthy and very pro natalist society, white populations can boom like they did during the Industrial Revolution.
In the mean time, European countries can lure whites from the America's and Australia and New Zealand.
>>1348512
fuck off and die you right wing fuck
>>1348974
>globe means one continent now.
Well, I guess a better word for it is 'Americanization'. But the effect is the same.
>grrr, let's go to war
You don't think there will ever be war between Europeans? You think they will all just hold hands and sing songs?
Rule one of humanity, people will ruin it. Always.
Nationalism is on the rise, therefore people are going to ruin it. Then the world is going to have to enjoy the aftermath when Hungary does something stupid, or whatever.
>>1348999
Go take a helicopter ride, you Commie Jew fuck
>>1348927
White Nationalism will avoid this problem.
>>1348550
>They aren't hurting anyone
>Baltimore police are evil
BLM moron go and stay go
>>1348940
>Retards thinking nationalism is some 'pro white' movement or something don't know shit.
In Eastern Europe, that may be the case, but the majority of far right parties in Western, Northern and Southern Europe are pro White Nationalism. Eventually, Eastern Europeans will put aside their differences for the sake of pan-European brotherhood. Hopefully.
>>1348990
No, traditions that have lasted for centuries are surpressed. Media is promoting inclusivity that people dont always ask for. The change of the street view is something most people are not happy with. A small elite and a few intellectuals are promoting this, complete recession is not necessary. The rise of populism is exactly the peoples reaction to it.
>>1348990
You've seen it happen with russia already.
Economical threats are stronger than ever, if neighboring countries don't like what you're doing they have all the powers to stop it without going to war
Iraq cost america a trillion+ dollars, what the hell is worth that much?
>>1349019
>pan-European brotherhood
>Lets build a melting pot, that will protect our identities!
>>1348983
>I said The Western Government's must pay for the systematic destabilizing of the Middle East and South/Central America by funding nationalist coups, contras, and radicals. All for the market's survival and ideological war.
And how would they pay? Explain
>If you are angry at the foriegners for being violent terrorists, look no further than the United States itself.
>whataboutism
I know the US are deranged in that they see themselves as the masters of the world, but that doesn't excuse the terrorists
>Never have I lost hope for any generation faster than I am losing faith in yours. Nobody, ever, has been as stupid as the young people I see growing up today.
O tempora o mores!
>>1348983
Not the person you are replying to, but I do wish for non-americuck whites to take a hard line stance towards foreigners such as my people had during the age of imperialism.
>>1349008
Isn't that just racism?
>>1348975
That's just blame shifting exercise people use all over the world. Might as well fault the government for not preventing the crime.
>>1348963
I see those vary a lot even in my nation.
>>1348974
Muslim as in radical/normal Islam way of life probably is incompatible and I never liked it. I do believe though that our western way of life can't let us just discriminate everybody based on overview of the entire group. There are enough Muslim migrants that somehow fit into the whole thing by changing their way of life for me to believe we can do fine.
Even the scary claims of western way of life being outbreed are not as scary when I realized that all around the world birth rates are shrinking to meet western values.
>>1348945
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the best way to prevent your culture from being extinguished is by making it relevant on a global scale? If your culture is struggling to survive, then it must either adapt or perish.
>>1349027
Brotherhood is not the same as melting pot.
Brotherhood is accepting that your neighboring countries are different, but still respecting them yet keeping yourself apart
>>1348999
But what anon said wasn't right wing.
>>1349033
>not as scary when I realized that all around the world birth rates are shrinking to meet western values.
Not at all, the niggers down in Africa are breeding like rabbits, all the top ten countries with highest birth rates are African, and all but 1 are in the top 35 as well
>>1349033
So what if it is racism? Racism is natural and can be healthy if it leads to a unified white nationalist Europe. If you don't like the racism, then get the fuck out of white countries.
>>1349035
>Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the best way to prevent your culture from being extinguished is by making it relevant on a global scale?
The way people on this board use the word 'relevant' is retarded.
>>1349033
>Even the scary claims of western way of life being outbreed are not as scary when I realized that all around the world birth rates are shrinking to meet western values.
[citation needed]
>>1349038
Bingo. This anon gets what I meant.
>>1349038
>Brotherhood
>expecting brotherhood out of Europe.
So are you gonna take France apart so that Britons are no longer culturally imperialism by the officially sanctioned French mono-culture system?
>>1349021
Even in Poland with no real immigration people are afraid of losing their culture. There are schools pumping our textbooks full of patriotism yet people still love facebook and very trendy English words replacing Polish ones. I kinda get the feeling that it's mostly the old generations rebelling against younger ones forgetting their culture.
>>1349026
Russia didn't really do a clean withdrawal with official apologies for Ukraine, they still have Crimea. Politicians like Trump heavily promote national isolation of sorts when it comes to important global agreements. I am not too heavy on USA politics but wasn't he even talking about withdrawing from NATO on top of several major trade agreements? If everyone withdraws from treaties then we are getting even less reasons why The Next Hitler couldn't blame some economical failure on foreigners and go to war.
>>1349057
Europeans have more in common than they realize
>>1349064
>not answering the question.
What do you do about France? Are you going to take Corsica and Brittany away from them?
And for that matter, what about the old empires? Like the UK and its commonwealth countries?
>>1349047
They breed less than before. If we could somehow solve them being poor fucks we could probably cut their future population more than their wars do.
>>1349050
You can't really prove than natural equals good. I think being proud of racism is kinda animal-like. Civilization wasn't founded on primal instincts but rather technology and artificial morality.
>>1349051
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN/?view=map&year=2014 Compare years with the slider
>thinking you can stop globalism in the age of the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJmw2ikCWmg
>>1349051
Cultures adapt and compete. If yours is being eroded then your own society is either being dominated by a cultural hegemon or it's evolving into a more contemporary version. If you think isolating yourself for cultural preservation is the answer then I guess you should consult your brethren in the Amazonian jungle.
Anthropologists find them very relevant I believe.
>>1349080
I didn't answer the question because it was pure babel.
Why would I take Corsica and Brittany away from them? If they want to be independent, then let them.
And what about old empires? Nobody wants war now, not after the horror of the two world wars, so you're not going to see Britain invading Canada or anything, not to mention what those wars would do to international trade
>>1349085
But how do you solve them being poor fucks? We shouldn't have decolonized that fast, true, but now China has its claws sunk well and deep into Africa, and good luck dislodging them
>>1349060
>Hitler
>blame some economical failure on foreigners
Anyway, Russia's economy still tanked
Trump promotes threatening NATO members if they don't higher their abysmal defense budget. The only alternative to NATO is russia and the USA have no reason to leave since it's basically their toy
>>1349095
Change is not always good; if the change is bad, then maybe it is therefore better to snuff out the culture altogether
>>1349095
>If yours is being eroded then your own society is either being dominated by a cultural hegemon or it's evolving into a more contemporary version
Or it's being sabotaged by leftists like you.
>>1349085
>If we could somehow solve them being poor fucks we could probably cut their future population more than their wars do.
That's a pretty big 'if'
Who is this 'we?'
>>1349095
>If you think isolating yourself for cultural preservation is the answer then I guess you should consult your brethren in the Amazonian jungle.
What?
>Anthropologists find them very relevant I believe.
Anthropologists are completely irrelevant.
>>1349109
I don't really say it's easy, I think the best option is currently just leaving it to China, or having another great technological invention that makes some kind of resource non issue even for poor countries.
>>1349111
Well, Hitler in particular was keen on blaming Jews for many things and inciting hatred over "rightful" things of the German people.
I am not seeing Trump or his alikes doing a good job in keeping treaties together anyway. He doesn't really have a right to demand higher military budget somewhere anyway, and that kind of action might just lead to some countries breaking away from it or just USA doing if the threats don't work.
>>1349097
Many of them do. So if Brittany goes for independence, and France doesn't, then you are in favor of one nations sovereignty over another.
Its why Spain is threatening war with the UK right now if they leave the EU. And also why Spain was going to block Scottland's attempts to join the EU if they separated from the UK, because one nation in Europe getting independence threatens Spain because it creates a precedent to Catalonia and the Basques to also go independent.
So now you have large powerful Western European nations who will and do suppress other Western European nations. Adding much more nationalism to this mix will blow Europe up.
>>1349152
>just leaving it to China
But I thought you wanted to solve the problem?
>>1349152
>He doesn't really have a right to demand higher military budget
He has, america spends a fuckton of money for their defense while we use the money for other stuff, while laughing at them because they don't have healthcare
>>1349160
>Its why Spain is threatening war with the UK right now if they leave the EU.
Umm, they already left and I don't see any Spanish flags flying on Gibraltar, sooo...
And everybody's been indoctrinated since birth to be as pacifist as possible, people wanting to go to war over Brittany as such will be the in the smallest minority possible.
Hell, ask 100 Englishmen if they'd go to war with Scotland if they leave the UK and nobody will say yes
>>1349162
It was more of a big what if supposed show that people breed because they are poor and in danger, and I think China might actually manage to make it a better place in the long run.
>>1349152
>I think the best option is currently just leaving it to China, or having another great technological invention that makes some kind of resource non issue even for poor countries.
What?
>>1349175
>I think China might actually manage to make it a better place in the long run.
AHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAHA
>>1349175
>I think China might actually manage to make it a better place in the long run.
For the entire planet?
>white "people" will die in your lifetime
Good fucking riddance.
>>1349172
>Umm, they already left and I don't see any Spanish flags flying on Gibraltar, sooo...
The UK hasn't left yet.
>>1349115
Change is neither objectively good nor bad, because it all depends on the criteria of those who judge it. If the change is bad, in regards to its survival, then yes other cultures will supplant it or it will simply shrink into non-existence.
>>1349124
Sabotaging Dutch culture with multicultural globalism? How? I'm just saying if you have a dying culture, then your best bet is to try to make it successful and export it. If not, then it's bound to die either way. Keep in mind that conservatives can also push the globalist agenda, so long as their culture is the one being promoted, rather than their progressive version. Like the Catholic Church expanding into Korea or Africa.
>>1349191
>>1349202
>Sabotaging Dutch culture with multicultural globalism? How?
By calling anyone who opposes multicultural globalism a racist or a xenophobe
>>1349199
It's already voted to leave, so why haven't I been hearing about the Spaniards doing military drills?
Nevertheless, even if it came down to war, you're stupid if you think the regular Spanish citizen even cares about Gibraltar,, let alone willing to die for it
>>1349171
It's not really a right. Anyway while USA spend 3.1% of GDP, France for example does 1.9% and UK 2%.
Even Russia spends 1.8%. While there are countries like Germany just slacking off with 1.1%, changing it wouldn't mean much. Most of the military intervention problems in the modern world wouldn't really be about direct confrontation, but rather economical drain on army unless we get some full scare warfare versus Russia.
It's rather a case of USA overspending then doing really stupid and destabilizing decisions in middle east.
>>1349209
Care to quote me on that?
>>1349214
>It's rather a case of USA overspending then doing really stupid and destabilizing decisions in middle east.
Do you really not understand how it is that European countries are able to not 'overspend' on their armies? It's called "NATO."
>>1349172
>And everybody's been indoctrinated since birth to be as pacifist as possible, people wanting to go to war over Brittany as such will be the in the smallest minority possible.
>Hell, ask 100 Englishmen if they'd go to war with Scotland if they leave the UK and nobody will say yes
Its like you can't remember 'The Troubles' in Northern Ireland.
>>1349219
No, and I don't need to. Your entire argument is "Your culture is doomed because others are hegemonizing it, get over it, and nationalism is bad!"
You are the problem. What you say is irrelevant. What you stand for is disgusting.
>>1349221
M8 the Chinese are incredibly greedy, they use Africans in order to get all their natural wealth, and once they're finished they'll leave them with their thumbs up their asses
>>1348824
I can't blame them.
Look at the fucking disgrace we are, feminized men, liberalism, always going out of your way so as not to provoke any conflict, always head down, never speaking your mind.
I hate our "culture" men aren't men any longer and standing up for your opinion is looked down upon because it's not tolerant to want something to change.
The bad part is that there are good people here as well, and I don't want Europe to go to shit just because of decades of liberal propaganda and globalism
>>1349224
Exactly. The troubles are still in cultural memory, you're not going to want a repeat of that
>>1349220
European countries actually do fairly good. NATO still has pretty overwhelming military advantage over the future would be enemies.
Trump should poke weed man from Canada or even Japan.
>>1349232
That's expected that they will use them, it will probably still manage to make them more stable and better off economically.
>>1349232
Just what we should have done, so they don't even have the money to pay for their boat trips to Europe any more.
Africans are fucking idiots, they sell their soil to the chinks because they think that those aren't evil whites and that they will change shit and bring them jobs, but Chinese are even more racist than we are, and they have every right to be.
>>1349227
Maybe it's because you just lack reading comprehension? My entire argument is that you have a weak ass culture, which is doomed because even you can see that it's dying out. You can be nationalist for an inferior culture, but it doesn't change the fact that it's weak. Otherwise you wouldn't have to defend it so badly amirite?
Your culture being irrelevant is actually your own goddamn fault. What I stand for is the survival of the fittest culture, and I really don't care so long as I'm part of it tbqh senpai.
>>1349235
>thinking nationalist peoples won't want their rightful clay.
>>1349227
>not wanting to get ruled over by corporate structures and faceless politicians who only care about profit and loss and how to save their liberal face by not telling the coast Guards to just let the fucking blacks die in the Mediterranean is now disgusting
Wew
>>1349261
People are pussies nowadays, even the nationalists
>>1349267
Sad but true
Low test betas, every single one of em
>>1349253
>. What I stand for is the survival of the fittest culture, and I really don't care so long as I'm part of it tbqh senpai.
Even if the fittest culture doesn't benefit you, and may actively harm you
>>1348512
Very narrow perception of how the future can turn out. You're probably the kind of person who thinks humans will kill themselves on accident in the next thousand years or so. Absolutely retarded thinking we're organized enough to completely eradicate ourselves.
>>1349253
From social to cultural darwinism
>>1349253
It's doomed as long as it allows people like you to exist, it really shouldn't
And ironically your kind is trying to import one that doesn't
>yes, it has.
This is a Dutch book that warns people for the uprising fascism, it's about a teacher that has several classes and favourite is a quite wilde one, he admires the school master: Hitler is portraid as the schools' master, "bint" is old Dutch for central beam.
>It was like 1920's wistleblowing
>maybe we need something like this?
>>1347924
>globalists control
You mean the system of globalisation controls. We are all caught in it because of our foundational beliefs that we all project on material reality.
>>1348626
I don't like the left right dichotomy either but what do we call it?
>>1348692
If we're lucky, anti-elite sentiment will replace any nationalistic and tribalistic sentiment as some uniting force. You never know.
History is full of curve balls. It's been reasoned that Germany needs her labor pool bolstered with young hands. Maybe some countries end up good, some bad from the crisis. Shit's never gonna be simple.
>>1349278
The fittest culture already won, so me trying to revive a dead culture means that I'm actively harming myself.
>>1349284
True, I guess it's that. If you're a liberal then I guess that's ironic, if you're a conservative then good for you if you're on the right side.
>>1349289
People like me? I don't even fucking live in the West, lol.
>>1349324
>I don't even live in the West
Doesn't matter the race, all lefties are subhuman
>>1349332
Stay edgy mang. Your culture is shit and part of that is because of you. You are literally killing your own culture.
>>1349333
The one that is considered hegemonic wherever you live I suppose. Language is a part of culture, so let's use that as an example. Me trying to revive an indigenous South American language to replace Spanish is just not worth my time. Sure, subjectively it could have value but objectively I should just keep using Spanish and get on with it.
>>1349333
Nationalism may be on the rise but the mere fact that its regarded as "anti-establishment" means that it's the underdog from the get-go. If it manages to gain moment then good for you, if you support it. If not, then you either adapt or you suffer the consequences. It's that simple.
>>1349374
It's already gaining momentum though. Britain left, Trump dragged the overton window to the right, Wilders seems poised to win, Le Pen is in a good position as well, AfD are gaining ground and moderate to extreme right wingist lost by a margin of 0.5 % in Austria
>>1348407
Thats a false problem.
I mean your accusation of companies exploiting poor uneducated unorganized people.
After all, these private entities are created by the more advanced societies. and the poorer societies lack the understanding and organization and ability and capital and infrustructure to resist these private companies.
they dont even know they need to resist or what exactly they are resisting or how to do it.
Not as individuals mind you, but as an inferiro social entity.
So the problem is not private corporations abusing lesser poor people in poor countries. The problem is that we can only diffuse knowledge and skills and learnin through private companies because our society runs on monetary profit and compensation.
We dont have the tools to help a primitiev social entity become more advanced except by way of generating profit from it. but how can we do it any other way?
In any other way advanced societies would have to pay these societies to modernize..
The only way to have a productive self supporting primitive society is to "exploit" it because it because otherwise, to make it have the systems and consiousness that is entailed by a society with good worker rights, modern societies would have to sponsor and donate in this society, as in sacrifice to it so it would advance.
>>1349374
>Your culture is shit
>He lives, breeds, eats and sleeps thanks to my culture
You probably don't have a single argument for how I'm supposedly killing it, good try though
>>1349385
Well, yeah but they actually have to become the main opposition party and eventually lead a government don't they? As far as I know, they still haven't and until they're an institutionalized party like the Democrats vs Republicans then they're not one of the political hegemons.
>>1349399
There is no argument, because the fact that you bitch about multicultural globalism means you are a manlet being cucked by immigrants. Your failure is bringing demise to your culture you fag. Was that so hard?
>>1349433
>There is no argument
If you think I'm going to read the rest of your post you're mistaken
>>1349451
>Being this in denial.
Stay cucked, you deserve it. In your case though, not only do they have physically superior genes, they aren't mentally deficient either.
The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.
>>1349470
If by they you mean niggers, everything in the world proves you wrong
What is patriotism? Is it love of one’s birthplace, the place of childhood’s recollections and hopes, dreams and aspirations ? Is it the place where, in childlike naivete, we would watch the fleeting clouds, and wonder why we, too, could not run so swiftly? The place where we would count the milliard glittering stars, terror-stricken lest each one “an eye should be,” piercing the very depths of our little souls? Is it the place where we would listen to the music of the birds, and long to have wings to fly, even as they, to distant lands? Or the place where we would sit at mother’s knee, enraptured by wonderful tales of great deeds and conquests ? In short, is it love for the spot, every inch representing dear and precious recollections of a happy, joyous, and playful childhood?
>>1349487
I was saying that you're even more retarded than that. It's quite evident since you failed to realize it.
>>1349515
What a compelling and convincing argument
>>1349499
I googled where this was from, interesting read, ended up buying Emma Goldman's book
Full link to this text online:
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/goldman/aando/patriotism.html
>>1348485
If the corporate exploiters and politicians are the ones who caused all the problems, how come they don't have to live with the refugees?
>>1347730
Agamben?
>>1348625
Well, the technocrats are more concerned about population growth than cultural identity.
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Don't worry, Europeans. After your culture get rekt it will be Muslims' and Blacks/Africans soon. East and SE Asians next.
>>1347640
Because of differences in peoples. /thread
>>1349499
Pearse defined it as both a Faith and Service to the Nation
People have complained about the rise of nationalism since 2000 at very least, I remember when Le Pen was big and people were scared of that.
>people only seem to care about their own kind.
You mean people have an in group bias? Holy shit!
How do we stop this fascism?
Does anyone else find reactionaries sad? they seem to base their whole ideology on being scared and afraid.
>>1348485
>Muslims fleeing from the land that was fucked up Europeans and the US.
a) Most of the European refugees aren't from Syria. Syrians are actually fleeing a war and probably want to go back home - the people coming to Europe are after welfare.
>Which is what they deserve
My country has not participated in any war in the Middle East. So your "hahaha europeans deserve it!1111!! :)))" is invalid.
>It's actually harmless
Statistically false. There are terrorists coming to Europe who then actively try and radicalize other immigrant youth.
>>1352342
Not as sad as people wanting to destroy their own ethnicity/culture.
>>1352528
See, this is exactly what I am talking about, they seem to only see negatives.
>>1352531
When it comes to the migrants flooding Europe, there ARE only negativea
>>1352528
>Caring about ethnicity/culture instead of global power and influence
Being inward looking is a sign of a country's inability to influence their external environment.
>>1352724
What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?
>>1352732
It will mean that the hegemon can determine whether you have a soul or not. Similar to how arbitrarily set international human rights determine the morality of a culture.
>>1352751
Don't take it too literally, the soul here means ethnicity/culture.
America is the hegemon of the world, and just look at it
>>1349471
so in conclusion, napoleon, alexander the great, gustavus adolphus were all pathetic neets because they took pride in their nation
People are realizing that white geNOcide must be prevented at all costs
>>1353649
lmao
>>1349471
I am sick of this joke that "pride" must come from accomplishments and only strawman examples of losers can be proud of something they don't control.
Wow, congrats on buying that house and being part of the capitalist free market machine!
Good job on running fast and beating that record!
Man am I proud I enjoy putting penises inside my anus!
If these examples can be source of pride then why can't a man's people be?
Can you not be proud of being part of your family? Then why would a nation be completely different?
>dude spooks lmao
no.
>>1349160
>Its why Spain is threatening war with the UK right now
They're really not. They're puffing their chests out and creating a significant amount of political noise.
Anyway, invading a British territory would be retarded, even in our current state militarily and economicaly. This was already proven in the Falklands War when an economically crippled Britain managed to curb stomp Argentina with ridiculous logistics.and speed.
>>1348550
apart from the women they rape and the businesses they steal from and the people they assault for their god, yeah sure they're not hurting anyone
Fuck off you bleeding heart faggot
>>1353381
>Napoleon
Yeap. That is national.
>Alexander
>Nationalist
Kek no, he wanted to build an Argead Empire. He was proud of being a Greek, sure, but wasnt some nationalist prick to consider others automatically inferior. He was king of a supposedly inferior people (The Macedonians) after all.
>Gustavus Adolphus.
>Nationalist
Yeah sure, by participating in a religious struggle.
>>1355492
>consider others automatically inferior
That's not an inherent part of nationalism.
>>1355492
>nationalist prick to consider others automatically inferior
oh sorry I thought you knew more about nationalism than the nazi strawman American lefties throw about
>>1348662
Untapped power is wasted potential. Imagine a true fascist power in the 21st century
>>1355492
So being proud of the greeks and being a greek himself, that's not proudness of a nation which you wrote is for pathetic neets, thus alexander was a pathetic neet according to your theory, which he was not. Your theory is shit.
>>1355769
that is*
>>1347640
>here is a /pol/ thread
>also, please no /pol/ posts *wink wink*
>>1347640
>people only seem to care about their own kind.
Yeah, how dare white people do that.
I've never quite understood anti-nationalism. To take a stance against the very concept of the nation of people is to deny people their right to formulate their own identity.
Does your average leftist today also oppose the nationism of the Palestinians and other anticolonialsit struggles of the developing world?
>>1349262
>>not wanting to get ruled over by corporate structures and faceless politicians
Are you describing the EU?
>who only care about profit and loss and how to save their liberal face
Who are you referring to?
>by not telling the coast Guards to just let the fucking blacks die in the Mediterranean is now disgusting
What's disgusting is the fact that you create this dichotomy and act as if Europe's problems won't be made worse by importing people who grew up in warzones.
>>1356096
>Does your average leftist today also oppose the nationism of the Palestinians and other anticolonialsit struggles of the developing world?
They don't think about them because it makes them sad.
>>1356096
I am anti-nationalist because nations are not real and because national pride does nothing but stop people from fixing their problems.
>>1348381
Pros*:
>more people competing for the same positions
>higher unemployment, more desperation for work
>lower wages from deluge of scabs/third worlders willing to work for less
>more crime
>destruction of unique ethnic, cultural identities
>expansion of the welfare system
>cheaper luxury goods like TVs, personal computers
Cons:
>destruction of unique ethnic, religious, cultural identities
>more conflicts based on identity
>more people competing for the same positions
>higher unemployment, more desperation for work
>lower wages from deluge of scabs/third worlders willing to work for less
>more crime
>destruction of unique ethnic, cultural identity
>expansion of the welfare system
*most only apply if you own the means of production
>>1357041
When your problems are multinational corporations impoverishing you and the mass immigration of people who hate gays and women, then the nation state seems like the best solution their is.
Can you think of a better one?
>>1357053
How about no nation states, and no borders?
>>1357053
We could stop making poor people poorer and start wars for the sake of selling weapons and justifying all the money spent on the army, but moaning about blacks is easier.
>>1357059
So people have no right to organize and assert themselves against oppressive institutions or people who want to throw gays from rooftops?
Got it.
>>1357063
>We could stop making poor people poorer
That's what mass immigration does. You're literally advocating for more of that.
>start wars for the sake of selling weapons and justifying all the money spent on the army
You do realize that 'war' is something the globalists are pushing for much harder than the nationalists, right?
>>1357041
>nations are not real
How so?
>national pride does nothing but stop people from fixing their problems.
[citation needed]
I started going to the gym and got a job because I love America so much.
>>1357092
They were detested, and associated with low-wage work and drug (opium) related civil disobedience.
>>1352531
Conservatism 101:
>Help me! A bear is attacking me!
>Hmm, at least its fur is soft, eh?
The key is to be scared enough to not get eaten by the bear and AFTER it is dealt with, realize that there are some good aspects like the soft fur that can be sold. And maybe even later you decide to specifically go hunting for bears.
Defining away the bear by saying it is "self-moving fur" won't let you escape its claws. The same way shooting the bear with a bazooka will not yield much fur afterwards.
It is about knowing what to do in what situation. When the bear attacks (or does something you don't know, but could be an attack) you cannot think about the fur, you have to deal with the situation at hand, accordingly. After you know the bear sufficiently enough (how much that ever is), you can go fur hunting and put yourself in dangerous situations, WILLINGLY.
>>1352531
there's no subjective "see", you take the outcome, compare it to the result before it happened, and then draw a conclusion, did this help the people in my nation? if the answer is no, it's bad, if yes, it's good.
>>1357059
come back when you've accepted 14 unknown immigrants into your home.
or do you just want to open the door to your nation, but not the door to your house? hypocritical as fug t b h
>>1357059
How about no fucking locks in your door fucking faggot?
>>1357065
Your precious nation states are the ones who gave those corporations the keys to fuck them over with, you stupid cunt.
You don't need a goddamn nation state to organize and assert yourself. If anything, that hinders your ability. Anarcho nationalism is the only sane solution.
>>1357067
>mass immigration = poor to poorer
>Jews to Israel
>Irish and Italians to America
>Indians to Dubai
Low-skilled labor deserves downward pressure on their wages anyway.
>>1347640
Dude the whole world had a refugee crisis for years.
It's only now it's starting to hit Europe and it's not as crazy as hysterical idiots like to portray it as since other nations instead of an entire continent had to deal with similar flow in people. Not saying it isn't an issue but it's kinda like "walk in my shoes" kinda deal.
Also all this globalist shit people bitch and moan about European powers have been doing this for years.
Mass importing labour to drive down wages has been an proud British tradition as seen in the Caribbean and Africa.
>>1359618
Your gay snarky comment about slavery is garbage needless to say. The grand historic irony is that the Caribbean is now a playground for vacationing, when in fact it was land to work freely or not. Look at the African nations of that archipelago and tell me them being workshy isn't a part of who they are and who has left.
>>1347698
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>>1348512
>And globalization is inevitable.
>>1347703
It's kind of ironic that in its own way, globalization is its own 'nationalism,' rather a global one world nation.
>>1347690
>ey lets close down borders and start wars against everyone because they are not from my country >:(
What a great idea
>>1361175
>hey we kinda want to go back to the eu fater we got memed hard:///
Just reminder that leave voters were old faggots and uneducated people mainly who had no idea what eu is
>ey we gon spend all that eu monies on healthcare nigga vote
>lol we sont even know what to do lol sryyyyyyy
>>1361175
globalization doesn't have to involve entities like the EU
>when multinational empires are ruled by a coalition of German nobles, Catholic clergymen and military officers, the left loves nationalism
>when multinational empires are ruled by a coalition of Jewish bankers, Marxist intellectuals and bureaucrats, the left hates nationalism
Are they aware of the hypocrisy or are they just clueless?
Pic related.
>>1361398
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EFTSE#symbol=%5EFTSE;range=1m
>uk market already better than before brexit
straight-out-of-the-brainwash children which voted remain b t f o
>>1352400
>Syrians are actually fleeing a war and probably want to go back home - the people coming to Europe are after welfare.
Which is why the solution should be to enforce Immigration law to make sure that Maghrebis after gibsmedat not get in and its mainly people from warzones who are planning to get back once things settle down
