Can someone explain to me neutrally and unbiased what national socialism actually is?
I have the feeling when I look it up on the internet I either get the information delivered in a liberal biased undertone where every piece of information has to be drawn to nazi germany and is therefor immediately condemned (sure, it originates from them but you can also explain communism without ever mentioning soviet russia) or instead it's dumb, low class skinhead propaganda.
Just what's the idea behind it and how does it work? From the term alone I can't really tell if it's a right wing or left wing ideology.
>>1333070
http://aryanism.net/politics/
You are welcome.
>>1333070
Communism without the idea that all residents are citizens.
>>1333070
Far-right authoritarianism.
>>1333088
fukken lol
driving around in a car and waving a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKOM2ywB7nQ
>>1333070
>>1333097
Far right authoritarianism, not to be confused with socialism (soft communism). The Nazis were national socialists with an excess of Fascism which was super hot at the turn of the century and gaining steam in the art and culture of the time. This is best exemplified by the Italian Futurists who mostly bought into the action and speed and violence of fascism (as seen in this 1915 painting).
>>1333070
>>1333686
cont.
National Socialism has a clear focus on the state as supreme which is why so many of them are dictatorships. The reason a "liberally biased" source would take a dim view of National Socialism is because it is fundamentally as conservative as you can be. It i also often starts as a counter-revolutionary movement to the communist uprisings in various countries post WWI. For more info on National Socialism without the focus on Nazi Germany, maybe take a look at Franco in Spain. Still pretty fascist, but
Just read Mein Kampf, honestly.
Edgelords will tell you it's "authoritative pre-revolution hyper late capitalist oligarcho ideology that keeps the workers from establishing my special brand of Communism via using race as the means of hiding this".
Other edgelords will tell you it's about the "aryan spirit resurfacing".
A much better way to look at it is that National Socialism was the result of a group of Germans getting fed up with what they perceived as a getting shafted by various groups in various ways.
So, if you wanted a simple greentext about it, it's
>fuck what people outside of our tribe say, we're going to do what's best for us
>>1333686
Kind of unrelated, but aesthetic reasons has to be one of the best justifications in history for supporting a violent and oppressive regime. My props go out to the futurists.
>>1333705
Do you think National Socialism would be a fundamental confrontational political ideology?
Like would it inevitably put you into military conflict with surrounding countries, or could you be a peaceful National Socialist?
>>1333070
Nazism is grouped under fascism.
State control, military industrialist, authoritarian, racist/nationalist ideology.
Nazism has a unique trait in that is transnational.
Being a "superior race" of aryans is central to their doctrine.
All other "inferior races" were to be enslaved by the "master race", or be eliminated in order to create lebensraum for Aryan colonists.
It sees collective action by those outside of the master race as a threat to its existence.
>>1333070
National Bolshevism.
>>1333088
Read this and nothing else as far as internet blogs and comments go, if there is anything more lied about, more dragged through the mud, more misinterpreted than Hitler's National Socialist Germany I would like to see it. Either read National Socialist source material or don't bother talking about it.
>>1333070
One thing to note about National Socialism and Nazism is the origin of the term, "Nazi" being an acronym of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or National Social German Workers' Party.
It was, essentially, their attempt at cramming as many political buzzwords of the day as they could into the name of their political party to give it broad appeal to the masses. It's like how North Korea, the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea, is not a democracy, for the people, or a republic.
It's an ad hoc ideology to combat Jewish Bolchevism and Jewish Capitalism. Some authors, including Heidegger, tried to give it more substance but it simpl didn't live enough to consolidate itself into a definite doctrine.
>>1333070
Fascism. The individual is not considered, aside from what they can contribute to the state, be it through production and labor, or through military service.
>>1333070
It's an autistic German concept which presumes that Socialism has nothing to do with Marxism and is compatible with racial supremacy and anti-semitism.
>>1336187
Fascism is not NatSoc. If anything, NatSoc should be considered a fringe sub-branch of Fascism.
Its socialism on a national level
>>1333070
>Can someone explain to me neutrally and unbiased what national socialism actually is?
a lot of bullshit
>>1336231
But so is communism but people still support it.
>>1333722
>Like would it inevitably put you into military conflict with surrounding countries, or could you be a peaceful National Socialist?
>>fuck what people outside of our tribe say, we're going to do what's best for us
What's so hard to understand about that.
>>1336265
And? Both are for retards.
>>1333091
This is one of the most retarded posts i've seen on /his/.
>>1333091
>>1336313
Nah he's right.
National Socialism really is Stalinism just without the racism, and even that is not always true as the Stalinists did also persecute Jews.
I mean, every single Leftist/Socialist/Communist in my country, and even the media, probably hates Israel and Jews more than the average Neo-Nazi.
>>1333097
According to this image, Nazism is neither left nor right wing.
Fascism Viewed from the Right by evola
>>1336318
It's actually strange considering how most communist leaders were Jews themselves.
>>1333070
An ideologically inconsistent hodgepodge.
Essentially an all powerful fuhrer ruling by playing his underlings off against one another, with no real consistent ideological basis.
>>1336348
Well maybe, just maybe, fanatic idealism actually trumps ethnic tribalism.
I know it might be hard to imagine when you're a /pol/tard.
>>1336318
>National Socialism really is Stalinism just without the racism
I mean Stalinism with racism*, of course.
>>1336393
national*
>>1333070
It's Nationalism, taken to the point of white, euro, supremacism. This often corresponds to racist hatred of Jews, Gypsies, Blacks and other non-euros.
It was supposedly also Socialist. Like it would redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, and it would abolish capitalism and private property. Actual National Socialism (the Nazi Party), never carried out this part of it's ideology. Hilter purged the left-wing socialist branch of the party durring the Night of the Long Knives. This included Strasser and Rohm.
>>1336416
>white, euro, supremacism
Except that Slavs are considered subhuman and anyone with tanned skin is suspect, so it's really not white supermarket, but germanic/nordic supremacism.
>>1336337
That's only because of how that graph is presented, with economic orientation being left-right and social orientation being up-down.
Socially, Nazism is as far to the right as you can get, whereas economically it's quite centrist.
>>1333070
Leftist socialist economics under a nationalist tone.
Germany had this in union with fascism: the marriage between corporation and state. The corporation being the German people and national identity (according to the NSDAP mind you).
>>1336564
>whereas economically it's quite centrist.
Yeah, let's completely forget about libertarian economics.
>>1336318
>>1336318
>hate
Leftists tend to oppose Israeli domestic policy regarding certain of the residents of their state. The ones without citizenship.
They don't hate Israel or Jews, or even Zionism, at it's most basic level. If you understand how bad Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories is, and you like Jews existing, you'd oppose it too.
>>1336612
>They don't hate Israel or Jews, or even Zionism
Yes they do. They cloak their anti-semitism in anti-Zionism, and think that people are too blind to see it.
I've argued with many a supposed Commie, and when prodded sufficiently, they always eventually give up to the fact that they associate Jews with the worst excesses of capitalism, which is why they hate them, exactly like National Socialists.
>>1336657
But Israeli policy deserves criticism, so you're talking about different people than I'm talking about.
I'm not talking about antisemites who try to hide their antisemitism, I'm talking about leftists who criticise Israeli domestic policy regarding their second class citizens. Leftists also criticise antisemites.
>>1336709
>I'm talking about leftists who criticise Israeli domestic policy regarding their second class citizens
Which is never what happens in practice. Leftists say they criticize Israeli policy, but that's not really true.
In reality they don't want Israel to exist at all, and wish Hitler finished the job.
>>1336735
>Which is never what happens in practice. Leftists say they criticize Israeli policy, but that's not really true.
When they say they want there to be an Israel and a Palestine, you believe this means they want to destroy Israel?
>In reality they don't want Israel to exist at all, and wish Hitler finished the job.
They just never ever say it?
>>1336740
>When they say they want there to be an Israel and a Palestine, you believe this means they want to destroy Israel?
Well I don't believe them.
The media here in Norway is pretty clear that Israel is an apartheid terrorist state that should be destroyed, and the media here is overwhelmingly leftist/socialist/social democratic/communist.
>>1336782
Israel is a state where about half the residents are second class citizens.
>>1336793
But that isn't true, and if you'd actually have been to the country yourself, you would know that isn't true, and yet you peddle the international media's sensationalism.
Anyone who says that the Nazis were socialist, or were in anyway anti-capitalist have no idea what they're talking about.
http://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.20.3.187
>>1336806
Where are Israel's borders?
If the border is at the Jordan, their population is half second class citizens. If the border is where it was before 67, then it's engaged in an illegal occupation.
Would my visiting Israel change any of this?
>>1336815
The border between Mexico and the United States used to be north of Texas too, that doesn't mean all the current inhabitants of Texas are second-class citizens.
>>1336817
It would if the current inhabitants of Texas were not citizens of the United States, and had no internationally recognized citizenship whatsoever.
That is the situation in Israel.
>>1336830
>It would if the current inhabitants of Texas were not citizens of the United States
Yeah, and why do the current inhabitants of Texas have citizenship in the US hmm?
Because their ancestors didn't have a fanatical anti-American ideology that told them Americans where worse than cancer, and should all be murdered.
As is the case right now in Palestine. Israel has consistently said that everyone who lived in Palestine prior to the creation of Israel, would be granted citizenship in the country, and yet they refused and wanted to live in perpetual victimhood and self-induced poverty themselves.
>>1336857
Well, it's because they were made citizens, and their property can be confiscated with no justification.
The ones who weren't made citizens actually did fight American expansion. There is not one year in the C19th when the USA was not fighting some tribe or another for their land.
>As is the case right now in Palestine. Israel has consistently said that everyone who lived in Palestine prior to the creation of Israel, would be granted citizenship in the country, and yet they refused and wanted to live in perpetual victimhood and self-induced poverty themselves.
Really? They'd actually allow every Palestinian in Jordan, every Palestinian in Israel, and every Palestinian in other countries to become Israeli citizens?
You're claiming that any Palestinian can become an Israeli citizen whenever they want?
>>1336881
>You're claiming that any Palestinian can become an Israeli citizen whenever they want?
I'm saying there was a point in time when that was true, but it's not anymore, because they chose fanatical anti-semitism instead of democracy and the rule of law.
>>1336923
So for Palestinians today, you are saying that they have no option, Israel has decided they are not citizens, they cannot be citizens, and they cannot have any form of citizenship, Israeli or otherwise.
Palestinians chose peaceful waiting for two decades before they decided to become violent. If two decades isn't enough for Israel to decide whether to annex or release the Occupied Territories, then no length of time is enough.
>>1336944
>decide you want to be your own country
>fail to create a country
>refuse to let your neighbors come in and fix your shit
>bomb your most competent neighbors whenever they let you in
>WHY ARE WE SO PERSECUTED
For extra fun, look at how other Arabs treat Palestinians.
Hint: It's not very good.
>>1336944
>Palestinians chose peaceful waiting for two decades before they decided to become violent.
No they didn't. The Palestinians and all the Arabs tried to destroy Israel the second is was founded.
>>1336951
>For extra fun, look at how other Arabs treat Palestinians.
>Hint: It's not very good.
It's also not relevant.
>>fail to create a country
How can you create your own country when Israel is occupying you?
>>refuse to let your neighbors come in and fix your shit
I wonder what would happen if Palestinians invited in Arabs to help them fix their country. Israel wouldn't respond?
>>bomb your most competent neighbors whenever they let you in
You mean the Arabs you said treat Palestinians badly? People react to being treated badly, amazingly this include Palestinians.
>>1336957
>No they didn't. The Palestinians and all the Arabs tried to destroy Israel the second is was founded.
Some Arabs tried to destroy Israel and Palestine the second they were both founded. They are exactly the same age as nation-states.
How is this relevant to how Israeli policy treats Palestinians who weren't involved in that event?
>>1336961
>How can you create your own country when Israel is occupying you?
Gee, it's not like Israel repeatedly ceded land to the Palestinians in the hope that they'd create a viable state.
It's not like the Palestinians then voted in losers like HAMAS and Fatah who refuse to end the war as long as Israel still exists.
>I wonder what would happen if Palestinians invited in Arabs to help them fix their country. Israel wouldn't respond?
Hint: By "neighbors" I mean Israel and Egypt.
>People react to being treated badly
You now understand Israeli policy towards the Palestinians.
If you wanted sympathy, try not blowing up buses or shooting rockets.
>>1336971
>Gee, it's not like Israel repeatedly ceded land to the Palestinians in the hope that they'd create a viable state.
When? Where?
>It's not like the Palestinians then voted in losers like HAMAS and Fatah who refuse to end the war as long as Israel still exists.
Israelis voted in Likud, who say that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan. So they want to either keep Palestinians as non-citizens forever, or they intend to remove them. Israel is a democracy, or no?
>Hint: By "neighbors" I mean Israel and Egypt.
Then if Egypt sent in advisors to the West Bank, Israel wouldn't respond in any way? If Egypt opened their border with Gaza for general trade, Israel wouldn't respond?
>You now understand Israeli policy towards the Palestinians.
And you /almost/ understand Palestinian policy regarding Israel. If you just believed Palestinians were as human as Israelis...
>If you wanted sympathy, try not blowing up buses or shooting rockets.
And try not occupying and ethnically cleansing a country, try not blowing up schools and other vital infrastructure.
Adolf Hitler: The Man Against Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kZOL7wQjfc
Adolf Hitler: The Man they Call the Devil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZG9NXmuCaE
Adolf Hitler - The Man Who Walked in Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMGV9-PIm8
Adolf Hitler's Political Testament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1NmQFhUmO0
National Socialism Explained #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx5KhoKYqKQ
The National Socialism Revolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvw98S2yHEI
The Ten Principles of National Socialist Thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGet9i0hsc
This is National Socialism!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7c9tB77YdU
The Twenty-Five Demands of National Socialism Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9blNGITe4
Will of the Youth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so5nCZq_j8w
The Tide Comes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUyDcGSMPEQ
German Thanksgiving Day 1938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSW8WPid2YA
Germania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOvbUKkTk-4
Why are modern nazis so fucking dumb
>>1336987
because no one with more than two brain cells to rub together would be one
>>1336968
>How is this relevant to how Israeli policy treats Palestinians who weren't involved in that event?
Because the Palestinians that live today are the products of the choices of their ancestors.
If the Palestinians actually wanted to live free and prosperous lives, they would've accepted citizenship.
But instead they want victimhood and grievance-mongering and poverty.
>"Most of the Arabs living in East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967 and later annexed, were offered Israeli citizenship, but most have refused, not wanting to recognize Israel's claim to sovereignty. They became permanent residents instead.[12] They have the right to apply for citizenship, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights.[13]"
>>1336982
>When? Where?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip#After_Oslo_.281994-2007.29
>Israel is a democracy, or no?
The point of a democracy is to defend your own citizens.
>Then if Egypt sent in advisers to the West Bank, Israel wouldn't respond in any way? If Egypt opened their border with Gaza for general trade, Israel wouldn't respond?
You do realize this isn't 1975.
Egypt hates Palestinians just as much as Israel does.
The simple truth is this, the Palestinians will never make peace as long as Israel exists.
This is something that the leading Palestinian factions have repeatedly stated.
These factions can not be uprooted without a total annexation of Palestine.
Israel is unwilling to give up their existence.
Hitler and is pals were right wing nationalists. Their party didn't stand a chance during the election. So they teamed up with another party called toe socialists, forming a coalition called the National Socialists, even though they were ideologically distinct, they hated the current ruling party.
After the party won and Hitler was chancellor, he ended up having all the socialists purged, along with anybody else he felt was a threat to his rule.
>>1336987
>>1336993
>>1337027
>observing neo-nat stupidity means you must be a marxist leninist
o I am laffin senpai
>>1336998
>Because the Palestinians that live today are the products of the choices of their ancestors.
>If the Palestinians actually wanted to live free and prosperous lives, they would've accepted citizenship.
>But instead they want victimhood and grievance-mongering and poverty.
Except that Palestinians today don't have that choice.
>>1337003
So Egypt are complicit in blockading Gaza?
>Israel is unwilling to give up their existence.
And Palestinians are unwilling to give up their existence.
>These factions can not be uprooted without a total annexation of Palestine.
Annexation of Palestine is not acceptable to Israelis, not if it includes Palestinian citizenship.
>The simple truth is this, the Palestinians will never make peace as long as Israel exists.
Not so long as Israel is the only state in the area and Israel says they will never tolerate peace with a Palestinian state west of the Jordan.
>>1336581
That map is just a smidge misleading. A lot of the northeastern part (Prussia) were predominantly German-speaking, but had had Polish serfs and such for centuries. A map with colour shading to show the proportion of (mother language) German-speakers would look very different.
The Sudetenland was mixed, but Germans were the minority overall. My grandmother was from what is today in the Czech Republic, just a few kms from the Austrian border, close to Znaim on that map. She spoke some Czech as well, as her mother was half-Czech and so had some Czech relatives (as most peasant families in the area mixed it up now and then). This was fairly typical. She identified as German/Austrian though and her family were Nazi supporters. She herself was 15 when the war ended.
Anyway, I grew in Freiburg, and I can tell you that Alsace had been under a process of 'Frenchification' since before Napoleonic times. It was annexed in 1871 after a war and the Kaiser tried to re-Germanify it with limited success. There again, Germans had become a minority (through emigration and being Frenchified), and the majority were French-speakers (although German last names are still common in the area, suggesting the people were largely the same).
As for the rashes of German speakers across Eastern Europe, these were again isolated minorities.
Nonetheless, Nazis did fuck things up in more ways than one.
t. a Germanfag
>>1337040
>So Egypt are complicit in blockading Gaza?
No, they're an active participant. They have been since the beginning.
>And Palestinians are unwilling to give up their existence.
They don't need to, the Jews were willing to throw land at them when it looked like the war could end.
They offered up half of Jerusalem.
History has shown that the Palestinians will treat any gesture of goodwill as an invitation for more violence.
It's just reality.
>>1337063
>No, they're an active participant. They have been since the beginning.
And yet you insist Gaza is independent, when Israel and Egypt control their foreign and trade policy?
>They don't need to, the Jews were willing to throw land at them when it looked like the war could end.
Like when? When did they offer to withdraw to pre-1967 borders and remove settlements; and support a Palestinian state in the West Bank?
>They offered up half of Jerusalem.
The religious aspect of the conflict is only really grounded in the Jewish and Christian side. Palestinians are fighting over land their grandparents grew up on, not over a magical city from their mythology.
>History has shown that the Palestinians will treat any gesture of goodwill as an invitation for more violence.
As it has shown that they were peaceful for two decades before they realized that Israel would never fully annex or release them.
>>1337048
>t. a spineless cuck
Fixed that for you faggot, your ancestors died so you may live and you repay this debt by claiming they "fucked things up". Shame on you asshole.
My great grandmother was in the BdM and she loved it. She loved having been liberated from the polish yoke within the danzig corridor. You are wrong.
>>1337100
>And yet you insist Gaza is independent, when Israel and Egypt control their foreign and trade policy?
That's kind of how a blockade works, yeah.
>"During the further redeployment phases to be completed within 18 months from the date of the inauguration of the Council, powers and responsibilities relating to territory will be transferred gradually to Palestinian jurisdiction that will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations."[10]
>As it has shown that they were peaceful for two decades
A peaceful Palestinian is an oxymoron.
The only time they get peaceful is after somebody slays them with the jawbone of an ass.
>>1336985
all that doesnt matter. they invaded poland and killed 7 million jews.
>>1337032
natoc can't into logic or argumentation.
there is no debate with them, you're either with them or against them.
its pretty much religious tier.
just take a look at /pol/ you'll understand., any divergent views or criticism is answered to by ad hominem attacks, strawman, and various fallacies
>>1337122
>That's kind of how a blockade works, yeah.
Then Gaza has not been made independent.
>A peaceful Palestinian is an oxymoron.
When Palestinian implies a second-class citizen of either Israel or Jordan, you might be right.
A peaceful second-class citizen might have something wrong with them, mentally.
>The only time they get peaceful is after somebody slays them with the jawbone of an ass.
I don't believe in the same signs as you.
>>1337176
The Israeli withdrawal was in 2005 though.
The blockade started two years later after they elected a group that wanted to destroy Israel.
>When Palestinian implies a second-class citizen of either Israel or Jordan, you might be right
It didn't have to be like that.
This is the future they chose.
>>1337189
>The blockade started two years later after they elected a group that wanted to destroy Israel.
So Israel reserves the right to control their foriegn and trade policy. Not independent.
>It didn't have to be like that.
>This is the future they chose.
The Palestinians who were born in Israel as second-class citizens made the decisions that resulted in them being born as second-class citizens?
They can travel through time...?
>>1337207
>Not independent
There's a difference between independence and impunity.
You can't declare war on a country and expect them to do nothing.
>The Palestinians who were born in Israel as second-class citizens made the decisions that resulted in them being born as second-class citizens?
Yeah.
Look at the polling numbers, most of them support suicide bombings.
They didn't have to start the second intifada or select hamas.
They made the decision that there could be no peace, and now they get treated as enemies, not neighbors.
>>1336587
>Yeah, let's completely forget about libertarian economics.
You say that like it's a bad thing...
>>1337228
>You can't declare war on a country and expect them to do nothing.
But you can keep people as second-class citizens and expect them to accept it.
>Look at the polling numbers, most of them support suicide bombings.
What percentage of Israeli citizens support the IDF?
>They made the decision that there could be no peace, and now they get treated as enemies, not neighbors.
So they agree with the Israeli governments official policy; Likud say there can be no independent Palestinian west of the Jordan, and that Israel will never be both democratic and majority Palestinian. Israel doesn't want peace, officially.
We just don't know what the real figures are for Palestinians. Hamas did not gain power in 1970, it took decades of occupation by the Israelis to get things to that stage.
You'll have to explain how Palestinians born today are responsible for the decisions of the Israeli government through the seventies and eighties.
>>1337258
>But you can keep people as second-class citizens and expect them to accept it.
You can only wave an olive branch so many times before you give up and start concentrating on self preservation.
Really, that's key here.
Because Israel is stronger than Palestine, Israeli force against Palestine can protect Israelis, but Palestinian use of force against Israel can't protect Palestinians, or even help them politically.
That's not a moral judgement, that's just the reality of the situation.
The war won't end until the Palestinian people realize that they have no chance of destroying Israel, and cut their losses.
That's just the way it is.
>We just don't know what the real figures are for Palestinians.
Pew and gallop actually do polls in Palestine.
Not that it matters. The people running the place don't give a damn about what the people think.
End of the day, hamas would rather have a war that keeps them in power than a peace that makes them an anachronism.
>>1333901
But wasn't Aryanism invented by Hitler? He didn't create the party and the original bosses thought Hitler wasn't Socialist enough right?
>>1337318
>>1337318
>The war won't end until the Palestinian people realize that they have no chance of destroying Israel, and cut their losses.
Which means what?
Israel will not tolerate them living in Israel as citizens. Israel will not tolerate the existence of an independent Palestinian state west of the Jordan. This is official policy.
>Pew and gallop actually do polls in Palestine.
Do they poll Israelis on how many support the IDF?
I mean, it's a minority of Palestinians who engage in violence against Israelis, but it's a majority of Israelis who have engaged in violence against Palestinians, through the IDF conscription system. The question of how many civilians support their actions is interesting, but not as vital as you think. Israel claims to be a democracy, so we must assume that more than half of Israelis are okay with the IDF bombing Palestinian civilians.
>End of the day, hamas would rather have a war that keeps them in power than a peace that makes them an anachronism.
Hamas are not in power in the West Bank, and they wouldn't last five years of peace. Israel doesn't stick to ceasefires, though.
So what happens to Palestinians if Israel gets it's way? They can't be citizens of Israel, they can't have an independent state, so what is left? They remain second-class citizens forever, or they're ethnically cleansed.
>>1337232
Do you happen to have a "thin blue line" t-shirt? Do you also happen to abstain from cannabis because it's "against the law"?
Grow some balls, pussy. The government won't always be there to "protect" you.
>>1337350
>"thin blue line" t-shirt?
no, but I do have many friends in the military and law enforcement, and they're stand up guys who care about their country. They're also consummate professionals and damn good at their jobs.
>Do you also happen to abstain from cannabis because it's "against the law"?
ROFL Nigga what does that have to do with libertarian economics?
>Grow some balls, pussy. The government won't always be there to "protect" you.
Ohh, tough guy. When the government comes for your guns will you shoot their helicopters with your AR-15? Or will you go full Ammon Bundy and hunker down like a bitch?
>>1337345
>Israel will not tolerate the existence of an independent Palestinian state west of the Jordan. This is official policy.
I doubt it would survive a ceasefire, or a democratically elected Palestinian government. The current political situation in Israel is borne of frustration with failed peace agreements. The Palestinian Authority successfully crippled the peace faction of the Israeli government, which is in the long term interests of the people running Palestine.
>Do they poll Israelis on how many support the IDF?
I don't know if you know this, but the Palestinians have little to no ability to attack the Israeli military. Hence why almost all Palestinian militancy is aimed at civilian targets. The IDF spends most of their time blowing up snackbars, and kills civilians more as a hobby.
>So what happens to Palestinians if Israel gets it's way
I have this sneaking suspicion that it would involve higher standards of living than the average Arab. Silver is easier than lead.
>>1337413
http://www.fasebj.org/content/20/10/1581.full
>>1337413
Slow down there Ringo.
>>1337464
Leftists always have to go as far back to the early middle ages to find Islamic science but the problem was that Arabs didn't do it. Conquered natives did it for them.
>>1337468
Oh crap, I forgot I wasn't on /pol/ due to all the shitposting in this thread.
>>1333070
national socialism is Hitlers idea of Fascism, which is different from Mussolinis (who created fascism and wasnt a racist)
fascism is basically
Corporativism (all workers belong to unions, that is how the State organizes society and harmonizes social differences)
extreme nationalism
cult of personality, followers march and sing songs about how great the leader is.
to that Hitler added his racial ideas, like slavs being subhumans who could be exterminated, lebensraum, that the german race needed extra territory to expand and the land to the east inhabited by slavs was ideal for that, what he thought about jews etc.
>>1337472
>Leftists
oh you cute little /pol/tards and your spooks
>Conquered natives did it for them.
haha no
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars
>>1337461
>I doubt it would survive a ceasefire, or a democratically elected Palestinian government. The current political situation in Israel is borne of frustration with failed peace agreements. The Palestinian Authority successfully crippled the peace faction of the Israeli government, which is in the long term interests of the people running Palestine.
Is Israel not a democracy? Israel can do a ceasefire at any time, and I assume the IDF would respect it. No Palestinian authority can do the same, individual cells, even individual individuals, will always break it, as will Jewish settlers.
>I don't know if you know this, but the Palestinians have little to no ability to attack the Israeli military. Hence why almost all Palestinian militancy is aimed at civilian targets. The IDF spends most of their time blowing up snackbars, and kills civilians more as a hobby.
Palestinians have no ability to damage Israel seriously whatsoever. But the tunnels that were found in the war a few years ago did lead to military bases. The IDF says that they aim at military targets, and hit mostly civilians because their aim is not perfect; then if a patriot in Gaza /wants/ his rocket to hit a military base, is that not the same?
>I have this sneaking suspicion that it would involve higher standards of living than the average Arab. Silver is easier than lead.
So what would it entail?
Citizenship? So it's a majority Arab Muslim state.
Independent Palestine? Against official Israeli policy.
Palestinian puppet state? Already the case. Not acceptable.
What?
Fascism seeks to organize the nation based on corporatist principles. It uses mass indoctrination of the mind, body and soul and merges state and corporate power. It was most popular in world war 2 and is often very difficult to define.
Some regimes are considered by fascist by some, with Hitler's and Mussolini's regimes being quintessential fascism while other regimes such as Vargas, Salazar, Pinochet and Franco were seen as more as conservative governments, even though they called themselves fascist.
National Socialism focuses on the superiority of the 'Aryan' race which refers to the belief in the superiority of Germans genetic traits such as blonde hair and blue eyes. It is also very antisemitic. They also tend to have leadership cults.
Nazism I think is the only fascism I think that's ideological, the rest are just leadership cults like Salazar, Mussolini, Vargas, Pinochet, etc.
>>1337565
You know nothing. The term "master race" was never used even once in natsoc speech
>>1337509
Israel can do a ceasefire.
The Palestinians can't.
Without both of them doing that, the war will never end.
>Citizenship? So it's a majority Arab Muslim state.
>Independent Palestine? Against official Israeli policy.
Both of these are things that would probably happen if the Palestinians weren't committed to the total destruction of Israel.
>Palestinian puppet state? Already the case. Not acceptable.
I think an actual puppet state would be better run. The current system is more of a distraction Arabs use to make themselves feel better about their own government.
>>1333088
If i wanted to read ONA trash, i'd read it with now illusions. GG m8
>>1337565
Pinotchet is considered a neo-fascist though.
>>1336985
Are people stupid enough to take pic related as evidence that natsoc works?
>>1333070
Several pre-WW1 ideologies/ideas about German exceptionalism mixed with German school of geopolitics some stuff Luddendorff said(not all of it, mind you, he was too "obsessed with conspiracy theories" for Nazi Party so he was kind of isolated there) and funded by big German industrial concerns.
Want to know more? Read about specific topics.
>>1333722
>Like would it inevitably put you into military conflict with surrounding countries, or could you be a peaceful National Socialist?
One of the key points of it was "reunification of German(sometimes Germanic) people"(there were large German minorities outside of Imperial German or Austro-Hungarian borders for instance in Baltic countries and Russia/USSR) and taking over lebensraum for them to live in, everything else was mostly a mean of achieving those two goals. So, if you think there's a peaceful way of doing those, then yes - you could be peaceful National Socialist.
>>1336581
>Leftist socialist economics
And again and again and again.
Centrist economics if anything they were Keynesian.
>>1333070
its the most basic political version of tribalism, thats why it was appealing the so many people and still does, mostly lower classes with mediocre cognitive abilities.
>muh clan is better than your clan
>>1336318
wath the fuck suppose to do this nazbol here?
It functions sort of like a colony of ants. They can perform great things, but they are not free to live their lives as they want to. Basically, you're a slave to the state.
>>1333070
German National Socialism was born of a Germany devastated by World War I and try to copy a lot of movement of European workers were emerging based on a huge recesion that was "eating" the economy of the working classes in response to this German reactionary population and some psuedo intellectuals blamed the bourgeoisie or affluent middle classes and were mostly Jews forgetting many big capitalists wealthy, economically Nazism has nothing of socialism on the contrary they do not socialize the means of production, they nationalized in meaning that the industry ended up in the hands of big businessman and this economy was planned from the state as regulator however claimed that the national capitalist have a kind of empathy for their German above their class differences congeners (yet we know who suffered the war and who are now multinational companies) German Nazism is a kind of Keynesian government
>>1336985
why National Socialism does not work
>>1338742
You fundamentally misunderstand NatSoc then. It is fundamentally against tribalism, its main complaint against Jews. It seeks to end all organizations and groups that focus on themselves over the State and the Leader. It is not my clan is better than yours, it is my clan is best for me and your clan is best for you. Viewing Hitler and NatSoc in such a one-dimensional way is childish and uninformed.
>>1339723
Nah bro, thats Communism, which NatSoc hated. Hitler was a big advocate of expression and self-determination, there were no jobs assigned to someone whether they liked it or not. If you did not want to work, you didnt work and you starved. If you wanted work, the State would give you work. Granted, State and Leader worship are key aspects of the ideology, but def. not a slave.
>>1339762
Didn't London , France, Belgium, Russia, Poland, and Italy look like that at one point too?
>>1338732
Read the statements below the first sentences.
>>1333097
Center authoritarianism
Far right social
Center left economics
Near left notions of justice
NatSoc: for dummies
>>1337048
>Grew up in Frieburg
>Had anything but pure French brainwashing for schooling
Looks like I know more about your people than you do.
>>1333705
Yeah, this is pretty much it. Nazis came from a specific time and place and people in specific circumstances facing specific challenges and enemies.
It's pretty much "Germany First" and all the rest of their ideology was just pragmatism given their available goals, resources, and intellectual climate of the time.
They weren't evil insane hatemongers. They were people trying to do what they thought was right for their people, the best way they knew how.
Nazis got a lot wrong but they got a lot right too. There is much to learn from them. I'd say that most of their mistakes came from putting too much power in one man. As Hitler's mind deteriorated and he made more mistakes, Germany suffered because he was the single point of failure in their system.
If Natsoc had been developed in a more peaceful time, without having to deal with one emergency after another I think the implementation could have been much better.
>>1336348
Nazism was a reaction to Jewish commie Bolsheviks
>>1336782
Leftists are retarded. They think jews are white (they aren't) and since the Palestinians are brown they score higher on the oppression stack. That's really all there is to it.
>>1340996
That and there are a bunch of Muslims flooding into Europe.
>>1333070
In practice, it was whatever Hitler wanted to do.
>>1341011
And that's why I don't take fascist "ideology" seriously. It's a hodgepodge of ideas meant to justify a strongman's rise to power with no cohesive or unifying vision other than "he's always right"
>>1338732
Just spouting "muh privatization" doesn't tell the whole story. You're being quite misleading by leaving out the fact that the state had absolute control over the only commodity that really matters- labor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front
>>1333070
It's been distorted by time friend. The incompetents of the leaders of the time destroyed all chances for National Socialism to be viewed as anything more than a bad meme. Basically what ended up happening was that the economy was driven entirely by creating massive amounts of debt to keep the country from falling apart, to the point where the only way to hope to balance it out was to go to war and plunder the resources from the fallen enemy. This was what Germany's National Socialism boiled down to. Don't listen to propaganda from either side about what it was supposed to be.
