Did Protestantism sow the seeds of gluttony acceptance?
I know Aquinas was far fatter than any female saint could get away with, but even so he wrote of gluttony as a sin.
I'm not saying we should judge gluttons anymore than any other sinner, but the idea that we must accept gluttony as beautiful seems to go too far. True, beauty, since the decline of Christianity, has become increasingly seen as totally relative and therefore anything can be beautiful if you call it that (what is avant-garde is seen as the main element of aesthetic superiority, and current year politics ties in heavily with that, hence was is current year ideologically is seen as most aesthetically commendable.
>>1326107
hence *what is
>>1326107
>I'm not saying we should judge gluttons anymore than any other sinner, but the idea that we must accept gluttony as beautiful seems to go too far.
1) Not everyone sees the world through a Christian lens
2) Seeing fat chicks as cute and "accepting gluttony" are two different things.
3) Nobody is insisting you need to find fat chicks attractive, just like nobody is insisting that chubby chasers need too find anorexic twigbitches attractive, either.
4) UUUUUUUUUUUUGH
Obesity epidemic meets corporate greed, the latter being the source of all activism meant to divide the working class and prevent any organization thereof.
>>1326107
It has nothing to do with Protestantism, people just have more food and more leisure time. Saudi Arabia isn't protestant, and they're full of gluttons. Italy has a lot of gluttonous people, and they're catholic. You're making a really presumptuous connection.
>>1326107
Fat isn't necessarily gluttony. There is such a thing as obesity resulting from health conditions, like being crippled (resulting in less exercise), low metabolism, etc. but some people don't like believing this because it contrasts with the myth that everyone gets exactly what they deserve.
Also You seem to have missed the word "IF" in your image as your post seems to imply that the SJWs are holding a gun to your head and making you kiss fatties.
>>1326124
I'm not talking about the rise of gluttony, I'm talking about the social movement against seeing gluttony as undesirable.
>>1326134
I pull out my pocket knife and stab his throat.
Protestantism is literally the most cancerous and vile ideology known to mankind.
>>1326132
Yes. This is true.
But they can't make you do anything. And just like there is a cringey movement in support of finding fat chicks attractive, there is an equally cringey "NUH UH FAT CHICKS ARE DISGUSTING FUCK OFF YOU NIGGER LOVE" reactionary movement.
Please, Note the word "IF" in your OP.
They must have got your goat because you shared even though you disagree.
>>1326134
>There is such a thing as obesity resulting from health conditions, like being crippled (resulting in less exercise), low metabolism, etc.
This is like saying, "Being rude in public can come from tourettes," Yes, it can, we're not talking about that though.
>>1326139
Most people aren't really gluttonous though. We just have plenty of fatty and sugary food while simultaneously having all sorts of labor saving machinery.
>>1326107
shes hot though
>>1326150
Sounds like you're going to jail.
>>1326152
Being so smugly certain of yourself is pretty "cancerous" and "vile"
>>1326107
>Did Protestantism sow the seeds of gluttony acceptance?
I doubt it, no more so than any other Christianity did. Since egalitarian ideology largely springs from the base idea that we're all equal before God, which gets strange when you separate the "God" part of it.
>>1326154
>>an equally cringey "NUH UH FAT CHICKS ARE DISGUSTING FUCK OFF YOU NIGGER LOVE" reactionary movement.
There is nothing "cringey" at all about telling disgusting landwhales such as yourself that maybe you should lay off on the chocolate and butter fried chickenfat for a while.
>>1326154
I'm unsure how your post addresses the OP
Protestantism is guilty of a Porn actress like Jenna Jameson crying because people dont consider her christian.
It turned Christianity into something like Islam, all you have to do to consider yourself a christian is think that you are a christian.
(I googled to check if I remembered everything correctly since its been many years, and it seems like she became a Jew last year)
>>1326134
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome is pure shit.
Seriously read up on it and there's no cure. You can manage it but it's like Schizophrenia/bipolar management aka mitigate but never go away. You know that pic of the Sikh woman who's overweight and has a beard? This is what she most likely has.
>>1326139
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
>Tunisia[edit]
In 1997, 27.4% of the population was overweight and 14.4% were obese.[8] Obesity rates were twice as high in urban areas than in rural areas.[37]
Obesity is culturally seen as a representation of beauty and success. A woman who is of a healthy weight is not as desirable (like in certain other Arabic nations). There is a lack of knowledge about the life-threatening medical conditions that result from obesity.[37]
>Western Sahara[edit]
In Sahrawi ethnic groups, the concept of beauty is embodied through the practice of leblouh ("fattening"). Before marriage, girls intentionally overeat and perform limited physical activity for 40 days in order to be attractive for their soon-to-be husbands. Women will repeat this process if they want to gain weight after marriage. It is believed that traditional clothing of these ethnic groups require a heavier body in order to be attractive.[38]
This was never new, friend.
>>1326158
I know plenty of people who perform mostly sedentary labor and aren't fat, this isn't really an excuse. In fact, aside from one family, no one at my parish is fat.
>>1326155
OP implied that fat always = gluttony.
To not make a distinction is a bit dishonest. Thanks for admitting I'm right, though.
>inb4 someone insists that I must be 300 pounds
>>1326168
I wasn't addressing OP in that post. Read the post I was responding to. I already addressed you in a different post anyway.
>>1326172
Islam at least demands serious lifestyle changes, the only thing easy about Islam is converting.
>>1326174
This is solely about showing off economic prosperity in cultures where poverty is rampant. In the West, obesity is rampant even among the poor (probably more rampant, actually), so these really aren't comparable. Also, neither of these are really influenced by Catholic/Orthodox morality
>>1326175
>o perform mostly sedentary labor and aren't fat
There's such a thing as going to the gym after work, eating well, etc.
Look bro, the only excuse for being fat is MAYBE crippling health problems.
What I keep wondering is why you shared the image in your OP even though you disagree. You're pissed about this supposed "movement" that only wants chubby chasers to not have to feel shameful. Let fat chicks get love, keep chasing what you like. It's that simple, Variabletine.
>>1326192
>You're pissed about this supposed "movement" that only wants chubby chasers to not have to feel shameful.
It's about fat people not feeling ashamed, not chubby chasers. It's also increasingly and perversely about reacting against people who find gluttony unattractive, try to make *them* feel ashamed.
>>1326187
>In the West, obesity is rampant even among the poor
You can thank physically addictive and totally unnecessary High Fructose Corn Syrup and a food industry that makes the fattiest foods also the cheapest.
You can also thank a Western population that doesn't care or pay attention to nutrtion for the most part.
>>1326175
Define what you mean by fat, because I find it highly doubtful that at least some of the people you mentioned aren't at least somewhat overweight, and you completely ignored the bit where I mentioned fatty and sugary foods in combination with lots of labor saving machinery.
Maybe your friends and fellow parishioners don't eat out much? Home cooked meals are typically healthier then something from a fast food joint.
>>1326203
Yes. It's increasingly like that because people react to them with more shaming than usual.
See pic related. This is the phenomenon you're helping feed, brother. It's from a 60s counterculture manuscript.
>>1326217
Replace "police" and "hippies"
with "fatties" and "/fit/ties"
>>1326217
See pic related
>>1326194
>Yeah, just like saying "Fuck you, nigger" in public is rude, and it's like you saying, "plenty of people have tourettes"
I think obesity can result from health conditions way more often than rudeness in public can result from mental illness, but the jury's out on this one.
I don't know what you want me to say, Con,
Yes, there are fat shamers.
Yes, there are fat lovers.
Yes, there are fat shamer shamers.
Yes there are fat lover shamers.
Yes, all these people can become increasingly perverse and retarded as they continue to argue.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
Would you like a gold star?
How about another council of nicea. I bet that would make you happy.
Have a picture of a chubby arab, and feel better about your own bod, which I am sure is a paragon of Asceticism
>>1326230
>>By "fat" I mean visibly overweight
In that case I can only conclude that you are either lying or are exaggerating when you say plenty of your friends aren't visibly overweight.
>>I'm sure plenty of them eat out, Orthodox are the wealthiest Christians in America
I said fast food for a reason though, where do they eat out? What sorts of portions do the places that they eat out at serve them? What is the calorie, sugar and fat content of the foods they eat at these establishments?
>>1326239
Yes. I'm sure if you cherry pick the internet long enough you can find any opinion.
Took me two seconds:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-27427.html
>>1326107
Lose some weight and maybe you'll find a man, and stop being such a bitter wildebeest.
There is a difference between little "rounder" or being a land whale.That however seems to be lost upon many.
In the entire history of mankind, nowhere where land whales seen as desirable, that is just cold plain truth.
Everything else is pure delusion.
>>1326107
>>1326272
Isn't the new mayor of London working on getting the original removed as hate speech or something?
Islam is more directly contributing. Covering women restricts exercise and burning calories, there is no body shame pressures clearly and they have pregnancies.
>>1326107
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so being forced to find anything beautifull is bullshit of course. But did you really come to /his/ to discuss the bullshit that tumblr spouts about beauty and confirm your opinion about current year politics?
>>1326107
How the fuck did my BASED automation thread get deleted but this "let's whine bout SJWs" thread barely disguised as being about protestantism still up?
>>1326389
>you can discuss morality, so long as it doesn't pertain to gluttony
See what I mean?
>>1326166
Why is it that whenever I disagree with people on 4chan they insist they know more about me than they possibly can?
"Oh he thinks fat shaming is dumb and counter productive, he must be morbidly obese."
This is called a strawman you dumb fuck.
I'm not fat, and even if I were, your opinion is still abhorrent and motivated by a childish need to feel better than other mortal primates.
>>1326397
lol
You actually used the words fat shaming on here, fatty. That's how I know you're fat as fuck.
Besides, nothing is abhorrent about my opinion at all, proud fats need exterminating, especially the proud internet fats.
Now shut the fuck up and put that cheese cake down.
>>1326394
This thread is shit. It's about a modern phenomenon. You yourself said so in multiple posts.
>It's also increasingly and perversely about reacting against people who find gluttony unattractive, try to make *them* feel ashamed.
Nothing to do with protestantism or history.
Barely has to do with Christian morality.
The automation thread at least had to do with something that started with the industrial revolution.
PS. I already said you were right, but that the discussion itself is kind of counter productive. It's clear by your lack of anything to say to people like >>1326166 and >>1326152
that you're waiting around for people to agree with you on how gross fatties are so you can feel validated.
>>1326413
>It's about a modern phenomenon. You yourself said so in multiple posts.
Right, it's mainly a discussion of morality.
>Nothing to do with protestantism or history.
Protestantism certainly lead to a decline of gluttony being seen as a "deadly sin".
>>1326413
>It's clear by your lack of anything to say to people like >>1326166 and >>1326152
>that you're waiting around for people to agree with you on how gross fatties are so you can feel validated.
No I wasn't. I don't respond to them because the best way to deal with these sorts of posts is to ignore them.
I'm looking to talk about the morality of gluttony. You're just playing the common secular left's tactic of saying "you're REAL motive is x" to invalidate me. For instance, when someone questions unrestricted immigration, they are immediately considered crypto-racists, and if I started a thread on immigration (not here, obviously), no doubt you would cite people saying "gas the immigrants" and my lack any response to them, as proof I was not vetted.
>>1326410
I used it to describe what Constantine is meta-complaining about.
What do you want me to call it? There's no other shorthand term for it? I sure as fuck am not going to type out "putting disgusting landwhales in their place" or whatever.
Protip. You know nothing. You have notions that are conventient to the argument you're trying to put forward.
But whether or not I'm fat has no bearing on my argument, just like it didn't for AQUINAS as Constantine said in the OP.
A mass shooter can argue that murder is bad. He will be right.
A skinny guy can argue that fat shaming is dumb, childish, hateful, counterproductive.
You want me to be fat because you want to believe that people only ever defend themselves. It's the same in every thread. I'm not ancap so I must be a commie. I'm not commie so I must be fascist. I'm not racist fuckwad, so I must be #BlackLivesMatter. I'm not sexist so I must be Feminazi.
I'm not calling obese women ugly so I must be fat.
How about actually using logic to put forward an idea instead of making assumptions about a person you've never seen you idiot fucking troll, My God.
Clearly I can't prove you wrong because
A) I'm not about to give 4chan personal images of myself
B) You can just insist they're not me.
So your insistence is a moot point that has no bearing on anything. Suck a fat chode.
Pic related. It's Constantine making his tired points about depravity in another thread. We get it Const, you're morally superior.
>>1326421
So how fat are you? 225? 450?
>>1326429
>his
kek
>>1326421
Gluttony isn't moral.
Sometimes fat =/= Gluttony.
Sometimes fat = Gluttony.
X____________ <---- Sign the Treaty Dammit
>>1326421
>when someone questions unrestricted immigration, they are immediately considered crypto-racists, and if I started a thread on immigration (not here, obviously), no doubt you would cite people saying "gas the immigrants" and my lack any response to them, as proof I was not vetted.
Hey! This is a fair point, so I'll stoppit.
But to be fair most immigrant threads are
>"kick the spics out" and not
>"If you overload a nation with a foreign population it's infrastructure might fail."
Protestantism probably does sow the seeds of accepting gluttony, though Protestantism also incredibly skewed the ideas of modest beauty which in turn created the reaction we're seeing today to that.
Gluttony is usually extreme overindulgence I thought, which includes things more than food (it's just easier to talk about food and use that as an example for children, as opposed to say, sex.)
Avoiding gluttony is living within your means, which in some cases today will still make for fat people.
>>1326448
>as opposed to say, sex.
Lust is a separate sin from Gluttony and Greed in Christian theology, from what I understand.
>>1326430
Hell no.
>>1326435
Fat generally equals gluttony, obviously not always, but by far for the most part. Obesity has gone through the roof due to a rise in gluttony more than other factors
>>1326444
All immigrant threads are on /pol/. You can't have them here, but if you could, those wouldn't be most posts except by people who are only posting once in the thread.
>>1326458
Lust is wanting sex, Gluttony is indulging in it, just like Greed is wanting material possessions.
If you were actually a Christian, you wouldn't be "judging" anyone. But you're not, you're a LARPer.
>>1326134
Most cripples aren't fat though.
Next to one's metabolism is slow enough to become morbidly obese
Constantine, you didn't make much of an argument for protestantism being the root of fat acceptance.
>>1326552
I'm not sure Protestants even consider it a sin these days.
>>1326566
I'm pretty sure they still do, though it might vary with denomination. Lutherans and Anglicans certainly do, for instance, but there might be other denominations that do not. It seems unfair to be talking about "protestants" as an umbrella term when you're talking about a whole shitload of faiths that each have their own creed.
>>1326573
>Lutherans and Anglicans certainly do, for instance
In theory, I mean I doubt they actually do, they don't even consider gay sex to be a sin.
>>1326566
Why don't you just stick to /b/ fat shaming threads, and /b/ slut shaming threads, and leave all matters of religion, about which you know nothing useful, alone, yes?
You think maybe the abundance of cheap fatty foods has something to do with people getting fatter?
>>1326603
>You think maybe the abundance of cheap fatty foods has something to do with people getting fatter?
Yes, I'm not sure how that's relevant. I'm talking about the movement against fat being seen as undesirable, not about the rise of obesity per se.
>>1326566
Do you know what Christians don't do?
Wander around all day wondering if things are sins or not.
We're not in the trap you papists and papist-lites are in. The devil has you idiots trying to sanctify yourselves, knowing full well that the effort will lead you to hell.
Give up on following the devil's gospel.
Embrace the Christian gospel.
Learn what Freedom means.
>>1326610
>Wander around all day wondering if things are sins or not.
or caring
>>1326578
Constantine, do you remember what you were saying about looking at other beliefs with an eye of humility? Practice that now.
>>1326107
>I know Aquinas was far fatter than any female saint could get away with, but even so he wrote of gluttony as a sin.
gluttony =\= being fat
you can be fat without being gluttonous
>>1326615
Exactly.
The devil has you right where he wants you. Guilty of sin. Worried about sin. "Caring" about sin. Obsessed with sin. Going to confession, repenting, paying some small ridiculous penance, then sinning again, rinsing and repeating until you literally die and go to hell.
That's not the gospel of Christ Jesus.
That's the gospel of the devil. "Eat the fruit; know good and evil; use your knowledge of good and evil to be like God".
>>1326621
Do you mean considering heresies as valid or relative, or do you mean empathizing with people of other beliefs? If it is the latter, then I will try to practice that.
>>1326625
And you can be a glutton without being fat. An anorexic woman who eats 2.5 saltine crackers with 1 oz of tuna warmed slightly to 125 degrees with 1/4 teaspoon of real mayonnaise and a cup and a half of lukewarm black tea can be and likely is a glutton.
Normal people eat to live.
Gluttons live to eat.
>>1326628
>No Lutheran or Anglican considers homosexuality to be a sin.
You are just dumber than a bag of rocks.
