Tell me more about the Ainu of Japan /his/, who were they? what was their culture like? What is their relation with the people of the Jomon period?
>>1326067
Jesus Christ how barbaric
>>1326076
Wha?
>>1326067
Jesus Christ how horrifying
>>1326067
Have some Jomon pottery. Reminds me of Midna's crown.
>>1326083
I think he means the tats.
Whatever is taboo in his society he sees as "barbaric."
The Romans thought wearing facial hair was "barbaric" for instance.
>>1326100
It's a savage and uncivilized custom.
No wonder the Japs rolled over them
>>1326113
Look can we for once have a serious discussion without resorting to/pol/ tier shitposting and memes?
>>1326100
i like the Jomon clay figurines, remind me of pokemon or some shit like that, real cool and unusual looking.
>>1326123
>remind me of pokemon or some shit like that
They did base a Pokemon off them
I think they are more closely related to siberians than modern japanese people
But then again I really know fuck all about them. I think they were still practicing Animism long after Shintoism was mainstreamed in japan
>>1326186
Oh ok. Like I said, I know close to nothing about the Ainu. But like other obscure peoples developing around commonly known ones. I tend to be drawn to them.
I also recall something about how they never adopted similar cultural practices to the Yamato Japanese
>>1326213
They still try to keep on their culture up to today, but they are sadly a truly marginalized group in japanese society. And much of it was lost and destroyed by the Yamato.
>>1326213
Yup. IIRC, the generally accepted theory is that the Ainu are the descendants of the original native population, while the Yamato are the descendants of Korean settlers that intermingled with the locals. The Yamato ended up driving the Jomon/Ainu north as they expanded.
Is it true that Japan has gigantic asspain about archeologists proving their civilization came from Korea?
>>1326241
>Yup. IIRC, the generally accepted theory is that the Ainu are the descendants of the original native population, while the Yamato are the descendants of Korean settlers that intermingled with the locals
Korea didn't exist yet, please stop spreading Korean propaganda. The Yayoi were a collecton of settlers from modern day Chinese Eastern coast, Korean Peninsula, and South Western side of Sakhalin. Only Koreans claim that Yayoi were completely Korean.
>>1326252
Of course they did. They're hilariously racist, and up to that point they had been peddling a nationalistic theory that the Yamato were completely distinct ethnically from anyone else around them and that they arose on their island.
Instead, they're just descended from Koreans. It'd be like if the English were descended from Irishmen.
>>1326265
>It'd be like if the English were descended from Irishmen.
But they are.
>>1326265
Except that, as previously stated in this thread, Koreans didn't really exist back then as a national entity so they weren't exactly related to modern day Koreans. Though many of the first Yamato settlers didcome from the area around modern day Korea.
>>1326113
Unwarranted hatred of aesthetic choices is a savage and uncivilized custom
>>1326076
>>1326086
>>1326113
Your butthurt is the only thing that's barbaric.
>>1326283
>not getting the joke
>>1326398
I can't believe you've been doing this shit for over a year.
>>1326419
Just ignore him as usual. He'll get bored eventually
4chan gets triggered by haplogroup discussion, but it's worth noting that the Ainu are the most significant population of D carriers, which as you can see from this map is one of the oldest paternal lineages. The majority of Asians are O, which is a relatively more recent arrival to the area.
>>1326067
>who were they? what was their culture like? What is their relation with the people of the Jomon period?
The major meme about the Ainu is that they are "caucasoid" due to their body hair and beardedness.
Ainu culture appears to be more or less similar to that of the Native Americans as far as simple animism and totemic animals, especially the bear--you can see some videos on YouTube of their songs.
There's an interesting theory that the samurai were primarily of Ainu descent, based on Japanese paintings which show them as having those features.
>>1326398
WE WUZ JAPS N SHIT
>>1326433
>caucasoid
Keep the /pol/ out of this please
>>1326433
So technically the Ainu were Caucasoid instead of Mongoloid. Cool, new relatives.
>>1326276
still the acnestor to Korea though.
>>1326449
I put quotes around it for a reason senpai, google the Ainu and that phrase will pop up in nearly every article
>>1326451
Caucasoid doesn't even make sense for the Ainu though. They have absolutely NO genetic ties to Europeans or the Caucasus at all.
>>1326451
>>1326451
No, that's bullshit wewuz
The Ainu were japanese, they just happened to be hairier than other japanese, hence why /pol/acks like to claim them as ARYANZ BL00D N SHIET
>>1326067
Modern Ainu are a mix of Northern Jomon,Paleo Siberians and the Yamato Japanese.
>>1326255
>Korean Peninsula
The southern half of the Korean peninsula was the homeland of Japonic speakers.(Goguryeo's Mahan toponyms)
Genetic and archaeological evidence supports this.
The lower Yangtze probably played some cultural role(ohaguro,tattooing,gofuku,Wu Taibo/Shaokang) in the formative years of Japanese civilization.
>>1326470
I perfectly fine with them being closer to someone else's race. We wuz all apes at one time.
>>1326470
wewuz is pretty much a buzzword nowadays.
Just say historical revisionism and drop the memesterism
>>1326283
Hot
>>1326067
>what was
They still exist though?
>>1327198
Yeah, but their cultural traditions have been all but destroyed. Today a few are trying to bring their culture back though.
>>1327207
What animaymay is that?
>>1326067
The Ainur?
Yavanna best girl desu
>>1327207
Kuma miko.
What does machi mean in Ainu?
Machi is the word for the female shamans of the mapuche culture in Chile, that it's veru similar to the ainu culture, in clothing and beliefs.
Also some ainu groove.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X9QxFaHJwA
>>1327284
>>1327207
I want to rape and impregnate her.
Remember to read Golden Kamui
>>1327211
Kumamiko.
A sheltered country bumpkin girl who looks after her village shrine is forced to confront the encroachment of technology and society, and her fears.
Very cute.
>>1327294
Also this.
>>1327294
Reading it as we speak, very high quality material there.
Any more manga or animays about Ainu culture?
>>1326475
That's what happens when you try to group people based on superficial phenotypes instead of by genetic proximity
>>1327284
I don't know how mapuche and ainu cultures are similar (muh animism aside), ainu culture revolved around animal spirits (most notably the black bear, which is still a huge symbol of the Ainu culture up to today.) while from what i gather, mapuche beliefs are much more closely tied to the land and landscapes (Mapuche itself meaning "people of the land"). If anything, you'll find more cultural similarity among the alaskan totem tribes like the Tlingit than with say, the mapuche or the tehuelche.
>>1327360
The Japanese pretend the Ainu don't exist. There's a lot of autistic low-key discrimination in that country you probably don't know about.
Did you know that people who butcher meat are consider sub-human there?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin
>>1326100
>The Romans thought wearing facial hair was "barbaric" for instance.
>>1327480
late in their history, beards are from greek influence
>>1327406
Take into consideration the migration routes, to get here you have to cross the entire continent, walking.
Those were the most nomads of the nomads and they reached the end of the world and stayed here. given that, any cultural similarity is astonishing.
The animism is not that common as you may think in this cultures, norte chico cultures were sun worshipers like the Incas, and Yaganes the most extreme were monotheistic they have one creator named Temáukel.
Mapuches also had wood totems, they can't worship bears cause there's no bears here, but all the worship of nature thing, is very similar.
Plus some extreme mythology with giant snakes fighting creating the land and the ocean, very cool.
>>1327452
Exactly the same with mapuches.
>>1326100
>The Romans thought wearing facial hair was "barbaric" for instance.
This fell in and out of fashion repeatedly, though. Some of Rome's best emperors wore beards.
>>1326470
That dude looks badass.
>>1327515
>tfw Asians can grow manlier beard than me
>>1326283
Ainu are qts.
>>1326265
Heh, I once read of a Japanese theory believed by some that the Japanese are descended from a different ape than the rest of humanity.
>>1326419
>pver a year
He used to post on /tv/
He's been doing it for years
>>1327529
Lenin?
shit, even with concrete genetic analysis, people are still claiming they weren't part caucasian?
is this like holocaust denials? I mean... why? do racist hate the idea of race-mixing way back in the past?
>>1326067
>who were they?
Ancient Finns
>>1327452
>Did you know that people who butcher meat are consider sub-human there?
>implying you don't find similar phenomena in most civilizations
Even in the West, grave diggers, barber surgeons, knackers, tinkers, shepherds etc. were considered dishonorable trash until not too long ago.
They are a remnant of the Finnish Empires forces that got stranded on Hokkaido after a disastrous battle of the hyper-war. Losing contact with their handlers they achieved a critical mass of autism and reverted to primordial ways, forgetting their identities. All that's left are the huge neckbeards and non-existant smiles.
>>1327978
Finns that migrated to Hokkaido after the great HYPER WAR. AINU bear worship is actually SPURDO worship.
>>1326123
>Wtf why is /his/ acting like /pol/!?!?!?
Gee, why is a board that was invaded by /pol/ since it's release so influenced by /pol/ memes? Hmmm...
>>1328240
하나 hana / シネ sine
둘 tur / トゥ tu
셋 seis / レ re
넷 neis / イネ ine
Why 1 to 4 in the both of Korean and Ainu languages are analogous?
Why between Korean and Ainu languages has closer relativeness than between Korean and Japanese languages?
Why both of them worshiped bears as their totem?
Origin of the Ainus and Koreans are interesting.
>>1326398
THE JEW FEARS THE SAMURAI
>>1328308
The Koreans, Jomon, and the Yayoi came from the same cultural group, before diverging and forming their own group?
>>1327577
link me that
>>1328349
From 15.000 yrs to 7000 yrs ago, Korean peninsula was uninhabited.
The first settler in the area was Jomon people from Kyushu Island of the western Japan.
This is an pottery from early neolithic south korea, pointed out it's relevance to Jomon pottteries.
>>1326449
She's super cute
>>1326067
>were
Go talk to them, mam. They're atill alive.
>>1326123
ayy lmao
>>1326398
Is there any actual literature on this or are you just repeating stuff from that one page on aryanism.net
>>1328364
Are the barbarians or the lemurians from Lemuria ?
>tfw no cute ainu or jomon gf
>>1330661
Lemurians are from Lemuria.
>>1326265
English are 70 percent the same people as the Irish ironically, they like to believe their all Saxons, their 30 percent Saxon at best rest is Celtic which they try heavily to downplay.
>>1327529
> asian eyes
> euro/neardenthal beard
> slavo/scythian head
Looks like a multicultist wet dream.
>>1327918
Ainu have ancestors that were likely somewhat similar in appearance to many Australian Aboriginals and Papuans before European contact and some of them then interbred with Siberians over time and possibly other East Asians over time before that and then later when people similar to many modern East Asians came to the Japanese islands from around South Korea some of the Ainu ancestors also interbred with them.
This is similar to how there is evidence of Melanesian 'negritos' that have lived in the areas of the modern Philippines for a considerable time.
You can see in old photos some of them have slightly curly hair similar to some modern Polynesians descended from people who were similar to many modern South East Asians and Melanesians.
>>1326123
ayyyyyy
>>1326227
Are they like Tajiks?
>>1326252
Yes.
China isn't much better with it's MUH SHANG MUH XIA historical revisionism.
Viet historians literally deny they were ever culturally Sinoized.
Saddest one of all are Koreans who literally can't read their books from a few hundred years ago, because they are all in Chinese.
>>1326370
I've seen people use that image/phrase earnestly before.
I'm calling Poe's law. I had no way to know
>>1326276
Yes and there wasn't really a "Spaniard" in 1492, but Spaniards colonized the fuck out of Latin America.
>>1332992
>MUH SHANG MUH XIA historical revisionism
At least Shang is historical,Chinese archaeologists try way too hard to link Erlitou with Xia.
>>1331627
>somehow implying Celts are native Britons.
>>1327288
Funny enough both Jomon and Amazonian tribes share markers from their ancestors time in Sundaland having Melanesian and Papuans like genetic markers.
>>1327452
They're officially recognized now.
>>1328453
Well that corded pottery is Jomon like and not so much "Korean"
>>1332710
Jomon are literally a southeast Asian/melanesian + Siberian people
>>1327452
>Look at me! I just discovered wikipedia!
AINU PEOPLE ARE THE BEST JAPANESE!
>>1332710
The idea I have (can't remember where I heard it) is that Ainu and Native Americans are both populations that split off from an earlier 'proto-Asian' race or group of races before the rise of agriculture in China lead to the propagation of the modern 'Mongoloid' race across most of East and Southeast Asia, hence why the former populations look so different from the latter. That proto-Asian race was in turn descended from the same people as Melanesians and Dravidians after migrating north and becoming paler. Am I completely wrong?
>>1332984
Nope, Tajiks are a turkic people, the ainu are japanese and have a rather distinct culture of their own.
Now isn't it sad how every thread ends up degenerating into race autism?
>>1333423
Tajiks aren't Turkic, bro; they're Indo-European.
>>1333506
I figured i've confused them with the Kazakhs/Uzbeks. My mistake.
>>1326067
I keep meaning to ask a Japanese friend with family in Hokkaido if she is part of this group.
I first heard of them in the comic book Kabuki.
>>1334026
It would be like asking an Irish if he speaks fluent Irish, if you know what I mean.
>>1333368
Probably something like that.
Native Americans are descendant of at least four waves of migration. The last being the Inuit (along with Aleut, Yupik or Greenlandic cousins). The second last being proto-Siberian/Na-Dené. Before them were the so-called Clovis cultures who are the major genetic contributors to most modern native Americans (throughout all of the Americas -- Na-Dené contributions are a lot more mixed as you move away from the sub-arctic Alaska/Yukon/BC). Ainu are probably somehow related to these Clovis groups, but with more Siberian (and later modern Jap) admixture.
Before them was another group who don't have a proper name as we don't know enough, but there is clear evidence for a different group of humans a good 5000 years before the Clovis people (that is, 18,000 ybp).
There are some native groups in southern Brazil who have genetic evidence of this unique haplogroup (no other native americans have it), albeit watered down by eons of Clovis contact -- sort of how Neanderthal DNA lingers on in Europeans or Asians. These same groups have oral legends of a 'wild' tribe who were cannibals, more primitive, etc. (probably standard xenophobia) but curiously they are described as short, darker skinned with curly hair -- probably negritos.
>>1334026
Most with mixed Ainu ancestry are rather ashamed of it and try to hide it (and probably don't know as it was a hidden family shame).
It is sad that modern Ainu are chinknized by Japanese blood.
>>1334726
Racist!!!
>>1326067
The face tatoo is creepy
>>1333190
Agreed. I was simply memeing.
>>1333423
>Ainus are Japanese
But they are not ethnically Japanese.
>>1326067
Emishi > Chinky Japs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ainu
>>1326076
Barbarism is a meme
>>1334646
It's not just several South American groups, Aleutians have it as well.
>>1327529
>Slavo-scythian head
End yourself
>>1333423
There're no such thing as "Tajiks", this nation was constructed by Soviets in 1920s from very different Persian, Turkic and Pamiris nations
>>1327918
What genetic analysis?
>>1334026
That's like asking a Mexican if he's Maya
>>1335331
It's disingenuous to say there's no such thing as Tajiks. Clearly there's a state and many of the people there claim to be Tajiks. That's how nationalism works, brah. It's like saying there's no such thing as Spanish or Indians or South Africans.
It is true though that the Russians/Soviets made up the borders themselves in the area after capturing chunks of other states. Tajikistan was the Soviet statelet for all related Persian-speaking peoples in the area.
Central Asia is just one of those places that's long been ethnically mixed. Genetically, they're a mix of Turkics, Iranics, East Asians (Mongols), Caucasian and some Arab. Various groups are slightly more of one or the other depending on the valley you're in. It's really only language and cultural direction they took (either Turkic, Turko-Mongol or Iranic; and among those nomad or settled farmer/urbanite) that separated them.
>>1332710
>>1327577
The Chinese unironically believe that.
>>1327215
Aulé for life, you tree-banger.
>>1336704
they look like aboriginals
>>1326283
>>1326470
>claim aryan blood
>look like abos instead
Ayy fucking lmao. Daily reminder that nips are sundadont mudslimes
>>1332710
This. It's stupid how people keep claiming Ainu were caucasoid when they were literally the opposite
>>1326255 >>1326265
>>1326252
Japanese here. Some netouyo people do. But most of us including history scholars know we were from Korean peninsula and have no problem with the fact. Our emperor is Korean blood line and was respected for it. In fact, they made use of the fact the Emperor family has Korean bloodline when Japan annexed Korea.
Originally, we were from China, traveled through Korea, accepted Chinese culture and we are the only nation that is still using Chinese characters outside China, mixed with Jomon people who were the native Japanese, first westernized country in the east Asia, believe in Buddhism and Shintoism as well but never mind doing Christian marriage and celebrating Xmas. We give no fuck to the cultural originality.
![img_0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ylI5T2y.jpg "img_0[1].jpg")
>>1338012
Our empress was Silla descendant n'shiiiiiit.
>>1338012
You are 70% from southern Korean peninsula natives 30% .
Yet, we are 40% southern Korean native 20% Chinese and 40% Manchurian.
You actually have more native Korean blood than Korean
>>1338012
>>1338193
>>1338830
neat
>>1326274
>It'd be like if the English were descended from Irishmen.
>All Celts were the same back in the day....
They did not even speak the same langue in Roman days son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Brittonic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goidelic_languages
>>1335244
They are of the Island of Japan, don't be a prick.
HAIRY AINU FROM THE NORTH PLEASE GO
THE AINU DESCEND FROM THE JOMON, A CROMAGNID PEOPLE.
THE YAMATO DESCEND FROM THE YAYOI, AN ARYANID PEOPLE.
>>1326241
>The Yamato ended up driving the Jomon/Ainu north as they expanded.
It's interesting, because their very mythology hints at that, with Amaterasu's grandson (Jinmu, the first emperor) driving the emishi further and further to the north-east.
>>1341760
>CROMAGNID
>ARYANID
these aren't real words, fuck off with your pseudo-scientific bullshit you ZIPPERHEADIC dolt.
>>1333401
>>>/reddit/
>>1341760
spastic
>>1334646
>These same groups have oral legends
source
>>1342593
>Not hostiloid
>Not Insultid
Get with modern 4chan terminology. How are you going to look smart on the internet like that.
>>1342505
>these aren't real words
these aren't real words
>>1328009
ij
memetic confirmation of temporal cyclic form.
>>1328453
>From 15.000 yrs to 7000 yrs ago, Korean peninsula was uninhabited.
yeah right
>>1334646
>Ainu are probably somehow related to these Clovis groups
unlikely, given that the Clovis peoples crossed the Atlantic ice plane from the Iberian Peninsula following seals.
>>1327482
>>1342868
>>1331627
>30 percent Saxon
Try closer to 5%. They're also only ~5% Celt, most British and Irish genes long predate the arrival of the Europeans and are Old European.
>>1334408
No, because "Irish" can mean both Gaelic and the dialect of English spoken natively in Ireland.
>>1342868
>>1342872
This isn't an ancient statue, it's a 20th century piece. Pic related is how teh Romans depicted him.
>>1332710
>some of them then interbred with Siberians over time and possibly other East Asians over time before that and then later when people similar to many modern East Asians came to the Japanese islands from around South Korea some of the Ainu ancestors also interbred with them.
>then they interbred with Japanese;
These guys really like fucking around, don't they?
>>1342989
The same could be said of literally every group, bar weird middle eastern race-cults like the Jews or Yazidis.
>>1342868
lmao how small his dick was
>>1343274
Large dicks were thought of as barbaric.
>>1336704
Always thought they'd look like this guy, good to know I was wrong though.
>>1338830
That's right. Actually, ancient Yamato was a country including southern Korea and west Japan. 日本=Nihon was nothern Japan country independent from Yamato. After conquering Nihon, Yamato took the name and became Nihon. Because Silla and Goguryeo perished, Japan had to be independent and became a nation of its own.
>>1343458
Which perished by Silla and Tang were Baekje and Goguryeo.
>>1326433
>theory that the samurai were primarily of Ainu descent
I believe it's something like
The lower class of people would often become thieves and samurai and because the Ainu/Jomon were ostracized since they became a minority on the islands they were often in the lower class and thus the cycle began
>>1327198
Barely. The ones who say they are Ainu nowadays are usually about 1% Ainu and rest just standard Japanese. Similar to the white Americans who claim they're 1/256th Cherokee
>>1328453
weeb detected
Japan was colonised by ancient Koreans, accept it
>>1343505
>>1327198
their culture is mostly gone because of an extreme pressure to assimilate and strict prohibition of their cultural practices by the japanese government.
many ainu felt compelled to marry and have children with ethnic japanese, in order to, in a way, "breed themselves out".
There are however still some (mostly old) people who remember the old traditions and a few of them also still speak the language. their are efforts to keep the culture and the language alive but it doesn't look like it's going to be successful. by now ainu culture can mostly only be found in museums
Somehow /his/ manages to be 2x more retarded than /pol/.
Ainu are Ainu, people whose ancestors moved from Africa to East Asia 60k years ago and stayed there ever since. There's nothing else to it.
>>1343513
Korea wasn't one ethnic entity.
How inhabitants of the imaginary space turn real world into their colonies?
They were at least two peoples named Kara(Han) and Chaoxian respectively.
The former is a name as a sphere of influence under Japan, now called Hangook.
The later is a name as a frontier of China, now called Chosŏn.
"Korea" is only an exonym, meme nation.
If the demi-islanders (inhabitants of the peninsula) want to be a single entity, both of them should change their endonym into "Goryeo", named after the true kingdom independent from both of China and Japan.
Otherwise, they will end up as two demi-demi-islanders (peoples of northern and southern halves of the peninsula).
>>1343274
lmao at barbarian brutish animals
>>1337327
Everyone in Oceania did at one time, various peoples you see today came after. They either exterminated, like the Maori did, or mixed with them over time as more of their own kind came from across the sea.
>>1345012
Yea, modern Polynesians have their origins in Taiwan.
The ancient Melanesians/Abos weren't very skilled mariners so generally did not settle any islands that were too far away from the mainland by raft. At least none lived to tell the tale.
The Maori may not have been the absolute first human settlers on New Zealand. But if they displaced anyone, it was only other earlier Polynesians. This sounds obvious, but of course what are today Maoris were once only a handful of ambitious sailors, not the island-wide indigenous nation of today. That they won out means some other coulda been contenders did not.
>>1327198
Why do people try to keep their cultures alive? It's futile
I mean, good effort but the fact is globalism is a curse when it comes to cultures, you either assimilate into the global culture or you perish, once the cold hands of globalism have touched you there is no going back
