Is Korea the perfect example of a Communist/Capitalist divide?
sure, why not
>>1303385
what do you think?
>>1303385
No, North Korea was always the red-headed stepchild of the communist bloc and South Korea is no ordinary capitalist state.
>>1303385
REAL COmmUNISM WAS NEVER TRIED ON THIS PENINSULA!!!
>>1303385
South Korea is enormously protectionist. Not your perfect example of capitalist country.
Yes.
Although North Korea is not "true communism", its marxism derived ideology has obviously done little to prevent tyranny arising in that county. The zealous promotion of this set of utopian ideologies suggests that it bolsters tyranny.
This is all fact and we can use these facts to make judgments about the left wing in our own countries and the way they are easily shilled and psychologically manipulated by corrupt populists.
Is South Korea capitalist?
To be fair, they always had less than a half of South Korean population and they didn't have easy access to tons of credits like South Korea.
>>1303385
North Korean isn't Communist. They say it themselves. They practice an ideology called Juche.
>>1303385
NK is a totalitarian monarchy with planned economy
SK is the result of 40 years of various dictators with very protectionist policies
are koreans jews?
>>1304359
Slant Jews, yes.
>>1303385
Will Corea ever be united?
>>1304361
what are the shekels for?
>>1304379
as part of China, yes
No
But people will not want to believe that.
It's questionable if North Korea can be called "Communist" at all
But people will sperg out about that fact as well
What North Korea and South Korea are an example of is the failure of small state autarky vs international trade and free flowing information.
>>1303385
>Juche
>Communism
You can't be this stupid.
>>1304379
If China just accepting the lost of face that North Korea gives them from time to time then yes, it will be. It is at the point that south Korea could invade and conquer the North in 8 to 14 days WITHOUT us help. Barring nuclear weapons use by the North. However they are at so close of the distance that would be a bad idea.
Juche isn't communism though
Why does North Korea have to be such a shithole?
Juche is closer to fascism than to marxism at this point.
>>1304487
what difference
>>1304117
>planned economy
>gommunism
If this post ends in 1-9 god does not exist.
>>1304419
>failure of communism
>glorius capitalism
dont try OP, the neckbeard communists on this board dont wanna talk about NK, or stalin, or lenin and all the other failed states of communism.
>plz gib us monis, its a human right
>>1303385
North Korea is not communist.
Hell, South Korea can hardly be called capitalist too.
>>1304533
Poor bait.
>>1304459
South Korea will never attack the north without a good reason.
First, because even without nuclear weapons (and you can't trust the retards who rule NK not to use them) it would be extremely painful.
But mostly because they have no interest in reunification. At all. They are set in a nice routine, they're prosperous, their people are compliant, the conflict makes the politicians job easier... Why try to fix what ain't broke ? And they've seen the problems that Germany had and still have with the east, and they know it would be way worse with the north. They don't want that burden.
What is NK a good example of?
>>1304512
The go to English speaking guy for this is B.R. Myers a wrote on North Korean propaganda and self perception.
Short start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXPksdShNK0
Long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy1iudsIKa8
Or just read the book. It's not very long or deep. Even has pictures. But very illuminating.
His basic thesis is that NK is primarily a nationalist nation that was secretly inspired by Japanese nationalism/fascism during the colonial era. NK is isolated in part because they choose to be xenophobic in the extreme. The state apparatus keeps in power by keeping the country in a state of constant war whom only they can protect the pure race of Korean from the great Other that seeks to besiege them at every angle. Juche is this half-assed ideology that assembles all this thought.
Good food for thought he's made in arguing his case:
NK took mentions of Communism out of their constitution. Only Juche now.
The Soviet Union believed their own doctrine and that the state was justified in that Marxism-Leninism would lead to a glorious future that would surpass capitalist exploitation. This caused people to lose faith in the USSR government when they couldn't deliver. North Korea appeals on a more visceral nationalist level protecting "us" from "them". It doesn't matter if things are shit so long as "we" stand strong and "they" are to blame. This is why they didn't collapse when the USSR did despite worse conditions.
Most North Koreans know life is better in the south materially. They get SK dramas through smuggling.
NK's weird obsession with race
>>1304545
SK is capitalist.
Capitalism is a much broader system than communism. For one you're included if private accumulation of capital is allowed, protected and encouraged. Various levels and forms of state intervention and participation, as well as more or less monopolistic economic structures, do not change anything about capitalism.
Free market capitalism is a marginal sub-ideology that isn't really followed anywhere.
On the other hand, a system is communist only if workers are in control of the means of production. And that simple thing has never been achieved by a communist party.
>>1304727
>Free-market capitalism
>Ideology
need some better wording there famalambourghini
>>1304727
hehe what capitalism copration own means production?
people better
>>1304091
>claim to practice Juche, which roughly translates to self reliance
>rely on China for everything
>>1304459
South Korea doesn't want to reunite. North Korea is so poor that reuniting would bankrupt South Korea.
North korea is best korea :0)
>>1303385
The DPRK is not communist. While the class system is backwards and based on political loyalty, it still has a class system which is inherently not communist.
>>1305340
don't know if baiting of being serious
>>1305344
*or being
>>1303385
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>>1305349
tbqh i do not want best korea to get infested by south korea faggotry
>>1305359
fuck off tankie
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>>1305320
True Juche has never been tried.
>>1305378
>liberalism
>degeneracy
>k-pop plastic whores
no
>>1303385
How. There wasn't even a peace treaty signed at Panmunjom but rather a flimsy armistice.
>>1305340
It is Juche, which is a personality cult around the Kim family inspired by that of Stalin. By all means it is a communist monarchy.
>>1303385
One is a dictatorship that practices a corrupt ideology, where the elite rides on luxurous cars while commoners die of hunger, and anyone who dares criticize the state or government is sent to jail for treason.
The second one was parodied in a Rogen & Franco movie.
>>1305423
>while commoners die of hunger
Is poverty really that bad in South Korea?
>>1305429
south korea outside of seoul is just your typical third world country
>>1305396
>One nation two systems
>liberalism and memegeneracy are contained
>Becomes third largest economy in the world ahead of japan
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Korean American here.
No. North Korea is a failed state feudalistic monarchy whose primitive form of government doesn't resemble those of any contemporary nation.
South Korea is a late stage hyper-consumerist corporate-controlled (jaebol) oligarchy, where its citizens become fake plastic drones of themselves
The governments of Korea are an example of pent-up, internalized Korean anger and self-pity/hatred (hwabyeong) manifesting into exploitation of their own peoples.
>>1305454
That's why they should unify under the south korean government like germany in 1990.
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>>1305452
stop shilling for the communists you leftist jeolla-do sangnom fag
새누리
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>>1305462
t. south korean faggot
>>1305452
>>Becomes third largest economy in the world ahead of japan
it would not happen though
>>1303385
North/South Korea is an example over compete isolation over globalization over anything else.
the undeniable source of the North's woes is through the name it earned, the Hermit Kingdom. With little to no trade with outside powers beside limited contact with China, and border controls so airtight that almost no one can enter or exit the country in a normal circumstance has led to the North lagging seriously behind a state has has open trade with the global community.
I say this because the Soviet Union, despite being a communist centrally planned economy, was still the second largest economy in the world all through the Cold War.
But I will concede that Communism is at an inherent disadvantage when it comes to flourishing in a world stage where globalized free trade is the most lucrative path to economic success.
and that disadvantage was what led to their socialist market reforms that have led to China being the second largest economy and Vietnam being a more or less healthy state in a global society.
>>1305462
I'd be ok with reunification under the south korean plan too desu
한 국가
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>>1305465
there's no north koreans on here imbecile. you are probably some joseonjok brainwashed by the chinese thinking that you're more chinese than korean.
if you are korean, you have to follow what other koreans think and say 병신
>>1305483
but i said "south korean" :0)....you need reading lessons
>>1303385
>Is Korea the perfect example of a Communist/Capitalist divide?
You know nothing about Asian modern history.
>>1305474
>Hermit Kingdom
falling for this historical meme/myth again
Korea/Joseon had plenty of contacts and trade wih the outside world. They had to conduct it in a controlled manner through certain districts and the bureaucracy like in Edo Japan
It doesn't mean they were totally closed off and isolated.
>>1305492
전라도 조선족 상놈 병신
>>1305499
english plz
>>1305494
They literally do not trade with any State other than China and South Korea, and negligibly Russia.
I'm not talking about Joseon Korea, I'm talking about the DPRK as it stands today. Less than $4 billion in total exports and mirror figure for imports is absolutely pathetic for a state of its size and location, all due to the near nonexistent contact with the rest of the trading world. This lack of contact, put on by both their own choosing and international sanctions is the direct cause of the situation the North finds itself in today.
>best korea puts something in space
>WOAHHHH lets sanction them
>>1305512
DPRK is different from Joseon. They do it under totally different contexts
main reason why there is no trade is because of santions imposed by the US.
DPRK does trade and conduct business with foreign corporations whenever they have the opportunity. See how they caught a Polish firm using North Korean slave labor
>>1305512
Don't they have good relations with Pakistan? I heard North Korean students (obviously the elite) can study there.
>>1305493
>zhang chink wang
get out
t. gook
>>1305433
Fuck off. I've been all over South Korea and the average person has a higher standard of living than the average American imho famalam. I bought into stupid /int/ memes about Korea too until I actually went there and realized it's the best Asian country.
>>1305532
>>1305532
Have you ever been to other Asian countries before? Just saying, I've been to Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore and Beijing and they all seem similar, with different pros and cons.
Korea has way to many negatives things that overshadow anything good that comes out of it.
>smells like sewage everywhere
>terrible drivers
>culture where you have to worship your superiors
>poor old people everywhere
>plastic surgery
>eat dogs
>everyone looks inbred
>too many young people without ambition or drive and actual skill or talent
>>1305532
go back to ilbe VANK shill
>>1305474
>North/South Korea is an example over compete isolation over globalization over anything else.
>over over over
The isolation will be over if they
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>>1305546
Well personally I lived in Taipei and in Okinawa before, as well as some time in Tokyo. Idk I just liked Korea more, certainly a more fun place to live than America, safer, cleaner, and better technology integrated into everyday life too. Well sure I guess it depends what you're into but Korea is my favorite, I might be biased due to Korean waifu, getting ready to move there pretty soon too. Also I'm Venezuelan originally and Koreans have been the chillest with me (really friendly and brolike, Taiwanese were friendly but awkward while Japanese were nice but too autistic).
한국를 사랑해요~
>>1305565
t. capriles' shill
>>1305532
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_South_Korea
>>1305568
killing yourself is an asian thing but what the fuck is wrong with them, it is without a doubt the worst koea
>>1305565
>latino koreaboo
you're probably better off moving to Los Angeles Wilshire and Olympic boulevard
>>1305578
Busan's great for the beach and going to Japan if you like that
I'm pretty much fed up with Seoul due to how congested/stressful it is.
Anyways, I prefer America over Seoul anyday. I can't live in Seoul for more than a month, when America (West Coast) is just a lot more chill and comfy
But, there are slums and shantytowns all around Seoul and Korea. They are all basically impoverished, neglected people living like that for 100s of yeras
>Perez Jimenez or nothing.
>>1303385
Miami/Cuba is a better one.
>>1305599
this
Cuba is more communist in practice than North Korea
and Miami is basically what Havana would be like if it was still capitalist
>>1305601
>>1305433
this is not true. a lot of farmers are rich and can get to seoul in less than 3 hours.
farms are really nice, there isn't much incentive to earn a lot of money for a lot of the isolated villages when everything, the pristine forests, mountains rivers, fields are all there, and all you need to do is build a nice house for your family
>>1305603
I live in Miami.
Feels good brah.
But yea, the political divide + th 90-150 mile swim to freedom is a much sharper contrast. Havana would be a fucking party destination bigger thann Cancun. But the people probably wouldn't be able to read or write. Say what you want about Castro and che, and I dislike them as much as the next Cuban , but the island has a decent educational system.
>>1305589
Fair enough, I'm into big cities myself so I don't mind, waifu wants to try living in Seoul if not we'll head back to Busan which is awesome because I guess the beach gives it that chill comfy feel. I agree the west coast is the best part of America but I like the public transport, cleanliness, lack of crime, endless things to do, etc in Korea.
Yeah I'll give you that one, you can find actual slums in Korea like that unlike Japan, however Taiwan is worse in that respect and my homeland definitely makes Korea look like a futuristic utopia.
>>1305614
>Havana would be a fucking party destination b
you are admitting that it would be a degenerate shithole filled of dude weeds and niggeroids fucking white girls
>mfw all koreans are passive aggressive humanlets who wish they could be white
>>1305629
What is it now?
Plus you act like that's not fun as shit. Unless youre a virgin or something.
>>1305672
do not worry friend, Cuba is slowly becoming in a yank colony again YEEEIH
>>1305672
normies reeee etc.
>>1304727
t. Wrong
>>1304050
>easily shilled and psychologically manipulated by corrupt populists.
Not even leftist but you just described every contemporary right wing grassroots movement in Europe and America.
>>1303385
No because South Korea is not an example of free market Capitalism, but the power of corporatism and state-capitalism.
South Korea had central planning until the mid 1980s, but also ever since then very, very tight cooperation between industry and Government who work hand in hand (to the point Chaebols, the large manufacturers led by dynastic feudal families are basically considered the real Government in South Korea)
South Korea still also has official economic plans (which act more as recommendations, but are still handed down from Government too industry) just like China does as well.
Another point to make about Korea is that it has fucking INSANE wealth disparity, while the rich are insanely rich, the average working class person has, I've read less the purchasing power of someone from Puerto Rico
>>1303385
Nope.
NK is a Monarchy
SK is into Merchantilism and Protectionism.
>>1305405
>communist monarchy
1. Stalin is already of dubious communistness.
2. When you start adding "monarchy" you can pretty much discount any concept of it being communist. Even the Chinese criticized NK for how glaringly un-communist that is.
>>1303385
Not really. North Korea is neither communist nor socialist, and much of South Korea's wealth comes from public investment during its postwar period of mixed economy.
>>1305599
As a Miamian, absolutely. We're the same city, but here everything is great but expensive. There, everything is cheap but free.
>>1305452
>DFRK
Democratic Fun Republic of Korea?
>>1305568
What about North Korea? Oh wait, we could never truly know because the country is run by psychopaths.
>>1306760
To re-iterate, all I mean by this is that it's unfair to compare some statistics of a country to a place that would never allow that information to become public in the first place. A survey that says one island has a high rate of murders, does not mean the neighboring island is better off just because no surveys were done there
>>1306264
What part you stuck in? I'm in plantation senpai.
But yea, I wanna visit Cuba before it gets modernized. Not too many places on earth still look like the 50s. Havana is comfy from what everyone has told me, its not like Caracas where you will get robbed every day.
But alas, I have too much family there and I would feel bad to visit and not give them a bunch of money I really don't have.
>>1306938
>Plantation
Holy shit, my condolences. I live in Palmetto Bay with my parents until I finish school, it's nice but pretty south. Around 40 minutes from downtown or the beach.
My family's not Cuban so idk if I can go anytime soon, but half my friends have been and I'd love to visit.
>>1307210
>plantation
Imagine my ex lived in Kendall. Lmfao so I'm pretty familiar with down south.
Palmetto bay is nice. I have family by there. Homestead and the Goulds and Florida city are areas I try to avoid. I don't head out to south beach too often I usually go to ft Lauderdale or Hollywood. Plantation is comfy.
But yea, Miami especially Hialeah and little Havana are what Cuba would be like if they were capitalist.
