Although colonial history is not necessarily something to be proud of,it still astonishes me what one small continent was able to accomplish. How is it even possible to dominate the world in this extent?
Korea was under Russian influence
Japan was occupied by British forces
>>1295050
>one continent
You mean french, dutch, british, iberians and russians. The contribution of the rest is laughable or doesn't even exist.
>>1295050
>Small
Compared to who?
>>1295059
Thailand was also undert british influence iirc.
if you ever played EU3 you'd understand that their tech level advances much quicker than the rest of the world and that they are in a prime location close enough to north america to begin early colonization.
>>1295084
Well it was mostly trading influence and special rights granted to British citizens, really Thailand was just used as a buffer state and kept independent.
Alexander the Great conquered Perisa, doesn't that count?
>>1295124
How were Iran, Afghanistan, etc. any different?
>>1295129
He also conquered most of Anatolia but the map obviously only counts modern european nations.
Turkey was part of the Roman Empire, doesn't that count as being colonised or controlled?
>>1295099
this.
They also get better events.
>>1295059
An alliance does no equate to colonialism.
>>1295050
Liberia was fucking established by white European Americans, how was it never controlled by Europeans????
>>1295198
Americans aren't Europeans; they come from the USA which is in North America.
>>1295050
It's because of Christianity. The church fostered nationalism by arbitrating disputes and dissuading any one nation from claiming complete dominions over other nations. This led to competition, which leads to technological and social progress.
>>1295198
They're following the meme that Americans aren't Europeans.
>>1295207
>church fostered nationalism
The rise of nationalism killed the power Christianity.
>>1295212
Doubled edged sword and all that. The fact is the Pope didn't want Christians killing Christians exclusively until the end of time and would prefer all the power of the entirety of Europe fall into the hands of a single emperor, because that would make the papacy kind of pointless.
>>1295223
*wouldn't prefer
>>1295050
>French Guyana is part of Europe
>>1295241
Neither is Kamchatka.
>>1295050
Europeans were being locked out of access to the traditional trade routes to the near and far east by the ottomans. That led to them looking for ways around the turks and that eventually led to Columbus and his voyage to find a western route to india. That in turn led to the discovery of the americas and all that came from that.
TL;DR the europeans basically got exclusive access to two entire continents to exploit. That pretty much guaranteed they would shoot ahead of other powers.
>>1295137
Iran was occupied by Russian and British soldiers, so was Afghanistan and it was a British protectorate
>>1295050
EUROPED!
>>1295524
>Germans
>imperialism
Pick one and only one. Put the based Portuguese in place of Hans there instead.
>>1295524
>Germany
The fucking USA did more colonizing than them
>>1295050
>what one small continent was able to accomplish.
Europe had a massive population density, and being a peninsula-continent with a huge historical focus on the Mediterranean sea, along with being at the end of the silk road, meant they got technologies and ideas from all over the world. It also meant European nations focused on the navy more than Asian nations did. Navies ended up being the deciding factor in dominance.
Because of the location of Europe on the Mediterranean and Silk road, that meant when guns were invented and made it to europe, mixing with their naval technology, they were able to go around to 4 continents and shoot people who didn't have guns. You can't really be impressed with the colonization of North and South America and Africa and Australia. They just shot people without guns and took all of their wealth and resources.
That made their wealth explode exponentially.
What's actually impressive is how fast European empires declined. when compared to other historical empires, they only lasted, what, 200, 300 years? WWI marked the end of European Empires.
This is because the culture of colonialism and "shooting people until they submit" was transferring to mainland Europe, and so began militarization and eventually, the self destruction of WWI and WWII.
ALSO, European colonies demanded independence. This didn't happen on a wide scale with, let's say, the Roman Empire or the Chinese or Indians or Muslims. Those empires fell as they aged and their centralized government become too decadent.
European Empires did not worry about the opinion of their colonized people. If you force a people to submit, and give them absolutely none of the wealth or freedoms that the people of the homeland have, they are not only significantly less productive, they revolt.
It's why the British Empire was the dominant one. They were the least "strict" as an Empire. Sort of moderate when compared to other European Empires.
>>1295553
Not my meme friendo.
>>1295207
not only did the church resist nationalism, nationalism isn't the reason for European dominance. It was the reason for their fall, though. WWI and WWII, anyone?
>>1295515
Well, so was Japan, the paradygmatic "unconquered" asian state.
>>1295515
>Afghanistan and it was a British protectorate
>"""""""protectorate"""""""
meaning they had some soldiers at the capital and said "we rule all this area even though we can barely even talk to those nomads and tribesmen".
The British were masters at self-inflation and delusions of grandeur
>>1295642
>They were the least "strict" as an Empire. Sort of moderate when compared to other European Empires.
That's a meme originated on the fact that the British Empire had it's height in more modern and, therefore, more human times (for europe) .
>>1295672
nah, compare the British to the French. The French, in their colonies, tried to eliminate concepts of ethnic groups and even religious identities.
Basically, where they took over, they said "You are French first, everything else second", where as the British were like "Whatever, just give us our taxes, and kinda follow our laws. If you don't wanna follow our laws, whatever, just don't get caught."
>>1295694
How is that more moderate? They are just different approaches. Being french was good.
>>1295642
Bullshit, if the British didn't have naval superiority against the French, the French empire would've been the dominant one.
Also Europe would be French dominated but that's another story.
>>1295661
lmao who cares about talking their language when you control their foreign affairs
>>1295652
Peace of Westphalia was the birth of nationalism, arbitrated by the church. Furthermore, Christians were dissuaded from conquering other Christians, hence the Crusades and later colonialism. External conquest was preferred.
Empires stagnate because bigger and better canons weren't necessary when your enemies didn't even have canons. That's what led the nations of Europe who were of relatively equal power to strive to develop the best ships and the best canons.
>>1295050
>>>>>>>Although colonial history is not necessarily something to be proud of
>>1296069
Kill yourseld
>>1295050
>Japan was never under European/American sphere of influence
>>1295745
It's certainly less strict. The French tried a lot harder to centralize and administer their colonize. The brits liked to just leave it to any locals that were willing to play ball.
>>1295524
I like how some butthurt Brit photoshopped this pic and colored the huge Louisiana Purchase territorry that Britain never cotrolled in red
Not sure I'd call Ethiopia colonized. They were occupied but only very briefly during WW2. It was pretty much an interregnum and even then the Italian control of the country was tenuous since they were bitterly resisted from beginning to end.
>>1295050
>How is it even possible to dominate the world in this extent?
The Americas came down to technological advantage, desease and genocide. Also the (realtive) integration of mixed race people in the new world (at least for the spanish colonies)
Africa tore itself apart over the slavetreade and was demographically weakend so the europeans could just kind of stroll in...from there on repression...lots of repression
Same with the middle east after ottoman removal, repression...
>>1295099
If you don't have random gen for america you will probably reach America via east Africa.
>>1296069
>Peace of Westphalia
>Nationalism
No.. Nationalism was a purely political construct that derived from the liberal ideas of the American and French Revolution.
>>1296251
Why would a Brit be butthurt when they beat France in North America?
>>1295642
You have no clue.
The british were the cruelest colonizers that's a fact.
As well the whole "unimpressive" bullshit you claim can be applied to any other historical feat in history.
Anything can be dumbed down and made to seem as though it was bound to happen, but the fact is these feats are still impressive.
Western Europe dominated world affairs at the dawn of one of the fastest changes in history and because of that the world still submits to European institutions and powers.
>>1295694
You have it wrong friendo. You're doing the typical mistake of using modern values on a different time period.
At a time, all these savages were seen as subhuman. The Brits saw them as such, and killed them when necessary (see: treatment of indigenous Australians and Americans), then kept them for labour when killing wasn't possible or profitable (see: India and Africa).
The French tried to "save" these subhumans by converting them and turning them into one of them, something that seems shocking but in reality is more humanitarian than what the British did.
>>1296535
Yes, Belgium was the most benevolent as well.
>BROŃ PALNA
>MIKROBY
>I STAL
>>1295745
Eve if you became "French" you still weren't really, the privileges could be easily revoked or changed and on the paper you were but in the view of the public and social interactions you still were a nigger. Also you had to really fuck up your personal identity and cuckold your identity to achieve it.
>>1296567
>if you dont agree with me then youre a nigger killer xd
There's more blood on Britain's hands than the French, I have no idea how you reached the opposite conclusion.
>>1296535
The Prutguese and the French were pretty fucked up hard.
The French killed like 12k workers in one colony building a railroad that it caused a big rebellion and forced France to sign the anti forced labour treaty. The British were the first to sign it of the Euro powers actually but it didn't stop arbitrary taxation from coercing labour in said English colonies.
>>1296581
I was implying Belgium was the worst, friend. There is no need to be upset.
>>1296588
Also the French killed a huge amount of Madagascans like in the 10k+ range.
>>1295050
Sasuga Afghanistan
>>1295050
Why were Thailand, Japan, and the Koreas so based?
Or were they just shitty territories nobody wanted?
>>1296417
The nation-state was formalized in the Peace of Westphalia. There the right of the nation-state to exist was formerly declared among the nations involved.
>>1295050
>Japan
>China
Forced to change old ways, western troops landing and controlling key cities, forcibly opened up to trade, and forcibly adopted western technology all of the sudden
>Mongolia
>Thailand
>Korea
Too busy getting annexed by other Asians
>Afghanistan
>Iran
>Turkey
Fair enough
>Saudi Arabia
Aided by British
>>1296838
This guy gets it
I'd argue that Turkey counts as western due to how similar it was to Europe in many aspects
As for Persia and Afghanistan they were only spared because of a mini cold war between Britain and Russia at the time. Had either one given it up the other would definitely had taken it.
Moral of the story, this is a European world.
>>1296796
I'm not saying the brits were guiltless just saying both the French and British did fucked up things and honestly if France was in the same situation they'd so the same thing.
>>1295050
>not necessarily something to be proud of
>>1295059
Idiot they mean colonial idiot
>>1295694
Yeah right. Brits didnt kill anyone without trying to make them british. Lets see...
>canada
>us
>new zealand
>australia
Where are all the locals anon ?
>>1295050
Imagine if the Mongols were at their height during the age of sailing
>>1295050
I believe this to be a more accurate version.
>>1297820
The mongols were shit at navies though, they got wrecked at nearly every naval battle
>>1295059
Korea was under total japanese control,
which is the only reason they
were never under European control
>>1295050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0WH8hCMeug
All Glory, All Honor
Victory is upon us
Our Savior, fight evil
Send armies to defend us
Europa, Europa
Find batter days before us
In kindness, in spirit
Lead us to a greater calling
Find batter days before us
In kindness, in spirit
Lead us to a greater callin
>>1296838
Mongolia was definitely under European control, it was a fucking soviet satellite state for 70 years.
>>1295642
>What's actually impressive is how fast European empires declined.
stopped reading right there
>>1295050
>Turkey
What?
>>1295099
It's funny how little truths can slip out from video games. Thinking about another thread, playing Crusader Kings I now understand very well why royals trended naturally to young marriages.
I marry my daughters off as soon as possible due to the ever present specter of risk. Who knows what's going to happen. They could take forever to have kids, someone could die, political alliances could lose value. It's just not worth it to keep them in reserve compared to what you could lose given a limited time and the value that marriages can bring.
>>1297842
kamikazeeeeee
>>1300670
The end of the Ottoman empire had Europeans taking over a bunch of their institutions before finally gutting it.
>>1300810
That was only occupation in the same way Japan was occupied after WWII, but ultimately Atatürk defended independent Turkey.
>>1300837
Even before the collapse of the Ottoman empire the Europeans were taking over their institutions, though. They used the classic "you owe us money and we're here to collect" reasoning to basically hijack their financial institutions and grab them by the balls. Not to mention the Europeans were casually slicing bits of the empire off for decades before its collapse.
Turkey wasn't qualified, but I think all that qualifies as "partial European control or influence,"
>>1297826
>Netherlands and Portugual
>not colonized or controlled by europe while other europeans were
>sweden colonized or controlled by europe
I suppose I never realized just how effective Anglo propaganda has been
>>1302494
The Kalmar Union was basically a Danish Kingdom.
On that note, Ireland and Scotland should have been green.
Portugal and Netherlands at least had colonies bruh.
>>1302627
>Portugal and Netherlands at least had colonies bruh.
but they were undeniably controlled by at least the Spanish at one point
>>1295050
Now think of how smaller the green areas would be if this was realistic. As in what was actually claimed at first, and not just filled in afterwards
>>1295050
>How is it even possible to dominate the world in this extent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
>>1295203
>Americans aren't Europeans; they come from the USA which is in North America.
I think I just got a small stroke from reading that.
You do know how the US came to be right?
You realize that the majority of people in the US, and the people that created the US were/are not native to America, as in, they are not native americans, right?
>>1295208
I don't get it, it reminds me of the people (in Russia) that believe that Russia is more Asian than European. Why would anybody not wanna be part of the heritage of the most successful continent and people of all time? "Western culture, sometimes equated with Western civilization, Western lifestyle, Western society or European civilization is a term used very broadly to refer to a heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems, and specific artifacts and technologies that have some origin or association with Europe" Americans see themselves as Westerners, right?
>>1295050
Why is Somaliland shaded like that? It was a British colony.
>>1304224
>Nordics who did jack shit in conquering the world
>Master race over Russians who did colonize shit.
>>1295154
Turkey is the one special case
Arguably they could be colored pink on this map
>>1297826
How is this map more accurate?
"Colonized or controlled by Europe"
Well obviously half of Europe has been controlled by Europe, ITS PART OF EUROPE, ALL THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES HAVE IN FACT BEEN CONTROLLED BY EUROPE, WHO MADE THIS MAP??
>>1304309
That's the point anon
Everything between Berlin and Moscow isn't actually part of Europe
It's just wasteland with some random natives inside
Naval supremacy.
Simple as that. Europe is really one big peninsula with scattered islands everywhere. Northern and West Europeans especially were excellent sailors like Henry the Navigator essentially revolutionising sailing. Vikings had trading posts in Canada hundreds of years before Columbus landed the Caribbean.
The most heavily populated cities are on the coast or along the banks of a river. You can easily sail your marines and soldiers up to the city for rapid deployment. Also, naval bombardments too. Also, you dominate trade due to how much faster your boats are. The Dutch, who did just about fuck all for all of recorded history, managed to become a world power in their time due to dominance in sea trade.
Even today, 90% of trade is done by the sea. Back then it would have been like 99.999%.
>>1296251
also left Quebec to France even though Brits captured Montreal and Quebec, yeah map maker is tard
>>1296481
Last I checked the French plot for the independence of British colonies worked great
In fact it worked so great the home country is now the colony of the former colony
Nope France totally won in North America actually
>>1295063
U WOT M8
>>1304398
Well he did say French and Dutch so you might as well consider yourself included m8
(don't ask people to actually mention you tho that would be pushing it)
>>1296135
While America was certainly the biggest influence of the Western world on Japan, it's technically not European.
You could go roundabout and say it's in indirectly influenced by Britain, but it was militarily occupied by America relatively recently, so it'd be more fair to count America as a colonial power.
>>1304314
Then why aren't malayo-polynesians the overlords of Asia or at least east asia?
>>1304398
Anecdotical.
>>1295063
to be fair without the italians we would probably have been fucked
they contributed a lot, certainly much more than the fucking dutch
it's true for the rest of them though
austria contributed nothing but evil
germany never actually existed
nordic countries are a joke
the rest aren't bad but you can't say they contributed much
>patagonia being controlated by spain
Nigga fucking natives with clubs beated to death all the spanish troops that tried to get in (there wasn't anything of value though, it was a wasteland)
Only when Argentina is created and got better equipament they exterminate em all in the infamous "Campaña del Desierto"
>Turkey
>partial European control or influence
kek
Glorius turks never been slaves, fuq off. Got BTFO in ww1 but we fuqqed back
>>1295050
Money, people, guns
>>1304309
Eastern Europe is another continent, and it was always controlled by Germans, Russians or Turks.
>>1304530
The same can be said about a shitload of the USA. The map is by country, not territory.
>>1304663
>Eastern Europe is another continent
>it was always controlled by Germans, Russians or Turks
>>1304437
You know why, but mostly because their ships were canoes and they managed to get around Polynesia so well due to island hopping.
Also their ships werent even remotely close to the size of a European frigate or ship of the line
>>1304304
they did colonize russia though, which in turn colonized eastwards
>>1297212
Korea was never colonised?
Whoever made this graph seems to think the only colonial power was some monolithlic "Europe". THey also labeled the RUssian far east as Europe ffs
>>1300837
Um no it was not, the muslim populations throughout the Balkans are a direct result of the mixture of converted natives and the mass of turks who were planted there by the empire
>>1304295
The famous adage is they are not Europe, they are not Asia, they are Russia. The Russian Empire was a uniquely Eurasian one
>>1304440
>Anecdotal
muh 15 million
>>1295524
>its a european world
>meanwhile muslims running around almost unchecked shooting up clubs and restaurants
I dunno m8 feels a more sim sim sala sim on this planet rn
