What are some moments in history where the bad guys actually won (excluding world wars for all you memers out there)?
War in Iraq
Look at Iraq when Hussein was in power
Look at Iraq now
WW2
WW1
Cold War
>>1272283
Fall of Constantinople
>>1272283
>history
>bad guys
>>1272427
But the Ottomans won that.
>>1272458
Found the Turk.
>>1272458
Exactly.
Waterloo
>Siege of Baghdad 1258
Mongolians sack Baghdad, signalling the end of the Islamic Golden Age. It is said that the Euphrates turned dark blue/black from all the books, manuscripts etc that were dumped in to it. To me, this is on par with the great library of Alexandria burning to the ground in terms of how much it angers me.
Basically, a bunch of horse herding barbarians destroyed a city of beauty, knowledge, intellectuals and civilization, prematurely ending a boom of culture and science that could have spanned hundreds of years longer. The reason why the middle east is shit to this day is probably because of the sacking of Baghdad.
>>1272681
And nothing of value was lost.
>>1272283
Treaty of Union.
While the union was good for Scotland, the nobles of Scotland signing up to it when it had almost no public support, with more than a little bribery involved has the bad guys [Scottish nobles, can't blame the English for trying.] winning.
>>1272364
>muh Germans
Friendly reminder that Bismarck was a fuckwagon that ruined Europe's imperial age.
>>1272698
You can't possibly believe this.
>>1272701
>you could never have come to the most patent observation possible
>>1272681
The arbitrary division of the Ottoman empire into smaller nations without any regard to 1000 years of middle eastern history had a lot to do with it too.
Nowadays it's all about Israel though.
>>1272283
The Mongol Empire.
Nobody needed those fuckers. At all.
>>1272687
>nothing of value
Not knowing things is perfectly fine, anon.
The Mongols destroyed the great library of Baghdad, aka "The House of Wisdom", which housed huge numbers of texts and manuscripts on medicine, architecture, mathematics, astronomy. Baghdad, and this intellectual centre flourished in the 8-900s when Europe was still wallowing in it's own ignorance after the collapse of the Roman Empire. They would have hard countless works from Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, Al-Kindi, etc lost forever.
If you are capable of appreciating art, there is also the beautiful architecture that would have been destroyed/burned to the ground.
The so-called "Arab" Spring
>>1272713
Yeah, it would be foolish to only credit the current status of the middle east to one specific event.
>>1272283
Spanish war of independence t.b.h. Pepe Botella please return, the Bourbon dynasty was a mistake.
>>1272681
Almost everyone look so smug in that depiction.
The Punic Wars.
>>1272283
Fall of Constantinople
The Hijra and all that is modeled after that
>>1272781
Tbh I kinda find that shitposting funny
>>1272341
t. not kurd
Fuck Saddam. God bless America.
>>1272863
Oh come on dude, this is bullshit. Constantinople was just a collection of villages by that time.
At least bring up something like the 4th crusade or Heraclius' defense against the initial Arab attacks in Egypt and the Levant
>>1272870
Saddam was the best safe space Kurds had
>>1272882
I hope from the bottom of my heart that you or one of your family members will get raped and killed.
>>1272893
Saddam was the bad cop that kept the asylum (ISIS) quelled. He is the lesser evil for all bystanders.
>>1272681
>when keeping it real goes wrong.
There was a new Caliph at the time and he went out of his way to talk shit to Helagu with nothing to back it up. Not saying the Mongols were the good guys, but the Caliph made it worse than it had to be.
>>1272893
Taiping Rebellion
French Intervention in Mexico
Spanish–American War
>>1272936
Lmao an Austrian is the emperor of Mexico
Fuckin cucks
The '''''Communist''''' Chinese winning the revolution basically destroyed Chinese culture. And millions of people died too I guess
>>1272870
IT´S OK WHEN TURKEY DOES IT
GREAT NORTHERN WAR
Battle of Alesia
Battle of al-Qādisiyyah
Battle of Hastings
>>1273051
>European powers actually backed todays biggest shit hole over todays richest country
>>1272721
This is the only real answer.
You can also add Timur to the list.
The fall of Constantinople
>French Intervention in Mexico
>Spanish–American War
aren't these mutually exclusive..?
>WWI
>October revolution
>Bush War
>Northern War
>American 'interventions'
>Fall of constantinople
>>1272721
>Mongols
QUEUE THE MONTOGE!
The French Revolutionary/Napoleonic Wars.
>>1272902
ISIS is made up of former Baathist party members, so not really.
The after effects of Saddam's overthrow were exacerbated by the sectarian violence that flared up and that the Americans failed to stop.
>>1272283
The Boer War
>>1273468
Pretty much any war involving the UK ever
>>1273470
>American Revolution
People are going to think I'm trying to be edgy saying this but
The 1948 Palestine/Israeli """""Independence""""" war
All the current conflict in that particular region stems from that one conflict and the Israeli side winning. The fact that you had a bunch of racialist colonists bent on cleansing and replacing the local land/culture with one radically different and incompatible with the natives winning the final might makes right challenge meant that ever since there has been eternal conflict trying to shore up a radical political decision no one but the winners can accept but no one can fully stop either.
The moral case, or lack therefor of, for a violent colonial state is 200 years too late so we get this weird abortion where everyone for 100s of miles hates and can never accept the new state with said conquerors trying to convince the world that they are not conquerors while unbelievably using terra nullius rhetoric to justify themselves. They can't finish the job by simply massacring the locals fully and taking all the living space they want, as people would do in older days, because that would tip off the world to the fact they are conquerors as well as potentially sparking a real life badboy war, yet they can't by nature not act like antagonistic conquerors either. So shit just never ends.
>>1272283
Spanish civil war/Spanish revolution.
>>1272283
American revolution
American civil war
American-indian wars
>>1273520
boo fucking hoo the arabs have allready taken over most off the middle east serves them right losing the levant
>>1273576
>Persians
>Kurds
>Blue eyed Syrians
>Assyrians
>>1272283
The Cold War.
>bad guys
>history
Back to your video games and American propaganda movies, kid.
>>1273650
>Some regents or states can not possibly have been better than other regents or states
eh, 3/10 responded
>>1273627
>Kurds
>Blue eyed Syrians
>Assyrians
All victims of arab imperialism. Especially Assyrians.
"blue eyed syrians" have pretty much assimilated and become arabs.
Kurds are fighting too become independent from the Arab and Turkish scum
>Persians
Their the exception
I wrote most of the middle east not all
Ottoman-Byzantine Wars
>>1273627
Persians are only independent from Arabs because they got extremely lucky. The Turks and Mongols conquered Persia from the Arabs, which led to the Azerbaijani Turks conquering Persia from the Timurids and creating a free Persia for the first time in centuries.
>>1273568
This.
I cry everytime.
>>1272283
The Opium wars
>>1273675
Wut?
Persia was already independent from the Abbasids since the 900's
>>1272698
It was French butthurt
WWI was won by the bad guy because there were only bad guys, and Belgium
>>1272698
>>1272709
t. butthurt anglo/frenchie
Germany is fucking your shit up again and nobody is going to help you this time.
>>1273520
>Implying Arabs wouldn't slaughter each other without the Israelis. The Israelis are actually the constant thorn in the side the arabs need. Literally the reminder that all their Hybris is ridicioulus
>>1272283
>>1272781
a fuckload of /pol/ shitposters go to /his/ to defend hitler
>>1273458
>Napoleon shouldn't have come to power through the revolution
>Napoleon should have won the Napoleonic wars
>>1272900
It's a meme BECAUSE it's untrue
>>1273933
t. not even memester graduate
>>1272283
American War of Independence
>rebellion for dubious reasons
French Revolution
>just downright evil behaviour, rebelling against their rightful king based louis xvi who did nothing wrong
Portuguese 1910 Coup d'état
>rebellion against the king
Russian Revolution
>french revolution only worse
Establishment of the Weimar Republic and of the Nazi Regime
>two repulsive regimes, especially compared to the german empire
Arab-Byzantine Wars
>what was their fucking problem?
Saudi-Hashemite Wars
>saudi shits come to dominate arabia instead of based hashemites
Spanish-American War
>america stealing spain's shit for dubious reasons
Fourth Crusade
>schemingvenetians.jpg
Anything to do with Mongol barbarians
Greco-Turkish War after WWI, though to be fair the Greeks shouldn't have gotten greedy
English civil war
"""""Glorious""""" Revolution (James II did nothing wrong)
>>1273970
That's because it's a revolution and basically every anarchist who isn't an anarcho-pacifist believes in doing that and has done since anarchism was invented.
>>1273568
No side was good there, but the best of the worst won.
>>1274083
By far and away the worst of the worst won, Franco was an absolute monster.
The best (as in morally right) outcome probably would have been a moderate republican victory, that is a victory by the actual government.
>>1273832
There was one bad guy. Germany. She was the only on that truly desired war. Austria too but not like that.
>>1274042
The point is that armed thuga forcing their ideology on people doesn't sound too anarchist. An anarchist attitude would be anarchists buying a lot of land and deciding to run it themselves without submitting people to their ideology.
>>1274103
>Revolutions aren't anarchist
wew lad.
Anarchism =/= being a hippie.
>>1274093
>nullified progressivist reforms by the republic
>helped create the Spanish Miracle
>suppressed separatists, communists, and anarchists
>smart enough not to involve himself in WWII
I dunno, he seems like an okay guy to me.
This argument is a bit like saying Franco didnt act Christian enough
>>1272772
Mongols did nothing wrong, they were based as fuck.
>>1274111
>nullified progressivist reforms by the republic
Nothing wrong with progressive reforms
>helped create the Spanish Miracle
And he also caused the economic mess that the "miracle" had to recover from
>suppressed separatists, communists, and anarchists
Nothing wrong with separatism. And regular, economically stable western countries did a fine job at supressing the radical left.
>smart enough not to involve himself in WWII
To be fair it took a team of colossal idiots to believe the Axis had so much as a shot at beating the entire planet. Being smart enough to not get involved in that shitshow isn't really worthy of congratulations.
All the wars of Independence of the Spanish colonies
Plus all the wars that Spain, the defender of the Catholic and only true faith, lost.
>>1272283
Battle of Yarmouk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk
>>1274107
I said that forcing their ideology on people is not very anarchist.
>We are against authority, now obey the CNT and submit to our communist utopia!
Waterloo
>>1274127
>Nothing wrong with progressive reforms
Literally everything wrong.
>And he also caused the economic mess that the "miracle" had to recover from
Nah
>Nothing wrong with separatism.
Debatable. I think Spain splitting up into a Basque state, a Galician state, a Catalonian state, etc. would be pretty bad.
>And regular, economically stable western countries did a fine job at supressing the radical left.
No, they just dragged the discourse left until they weren't radical anymore.
>To be fair it took a team of colossal idiots to believe the Axis had so much as a shot at beating the entire planet. Being smart enough to not get involved in that shitshow isn't really worthy of congratulations.
They came pretty close, but I'll agree that not joining didn't take collosal thinking skills on Franco's part.
>>1274149
But it is.
Again, you seem to be confusing anarchism with being a hippie.
>>1274152
>Literally everything wrong.
Nah, it's inevitable. May as well make your peace with it rather than just chimping out for muh jeebus (who Franco didn't follow very well anyway).
>Nah
He did. The war he started absolutely fucked Spain's economy and on the count he extensively collaborated with Hitler and Mussolini it stayed fucked with the ensuing isolation of post-war Europe being reluctant to trade with Spain. By the 1940s the economy was exponentially worse than it had been 10 years before. Had the nationalists not chimped out Spain would probably be a normal western European country now.
>No, they just dragged the discourse left until they weren't radical anymore.
They didn't. 50 years ago we had communists calling for the annihilation of the bourgeoisie, these days we have teenagers calling for the recognition of their made up pronouns and the state to recognize gay people getting married.
>>1274154
>Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates self-governed societies based on voluntary institutions. These are often described as stateless societies,[1][2][3][4] although several authors have defined them more specifically as institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][6][7][8]
If they force people into a communist society, then there is herarchy and there is not voluntaryism, both concepts opposed to anarchy.
>>1274182
>people would want to reproduce the social relations of commodity production and wage labor because muh voluntary exchange
>>1274179
>It's inevitable
Inevitability doesn't make it right.
>By the 1940s the economy was exponentially worse than it had been 10 years before.
Oh, now I see what you mean. Anyway sure whatever, he started the war, and then he fixed the damage with interest.
>50 years ago we had communists calling for the annihilation of the bourgeoisie
We still have that now, though they get elected to positions of power and use slightly different words. Those progressivist reforms we were talking about, on the other hand, eventually led to the Tumblrinas.
>>1272870
Kurds are barely humans
>>1274190
>human society can exist without hierarchy
>>1273028
>I forgive everyone, and I ask everyone to forgive me. May my blood which is about to be shed, be for the good of the country. Viva Mexico, viva la independencia!
>>1274182
>then there is herarchy
Hierarchy doesn't just vanish, m8. You kind of have to force it out of existence through a revolution. To quote Errico Malatesta:
>It is our aspiration and our aim that everyone should become socially conscious and effective; but to achieve this end, it is necessary to provide all with the means of life and for development, and it is therefore necessary to destroy with violence, since one cannot do otherwise, the violence that denies these means to the workers.
As a matter of fact propaganda of the deed is a big anarchist point of contention. Which is basically a fancy way of saying "terrorism".
>>1274205
Many archaic societies were without any kind of hierarchy.
>>1274193
>Inevitability doesn't make it right.
Why not? If it's what the people want then who's to do deny them it?
> and then he fixed the damage with interest.
Looking at Spain right now I'm not so sure.
>We still have that now, though they get elected to positions of power and use slightly different words. Those progressivist reforms we were talking about, on the other hand, eventually led to the Tumblrinas.
They're not communists though, they're progressive liberals and at worst social democrats.
But this is the thing, progressivism is inevitable. Tumblrinas are inevitable. But if this is the leftism of today? We've come a long way since communist revolutionaries in the western world.
>>1274205
>hierarchy [sic; roles and applications of social-labor] is the social relations of capital
>>1274205
>Hierarchy can literally only be maintained by force
>It's natural in any way
>>1274220
>If it's what the people want then who's to do deny them it?
Pleasure is not happiness.
>Looking at Spain right now I'm not so sure.
That's just because they're Southern Europeans and sleep for four hours in the middle of the day.
>They're not communists though
Communism is also no longer a dirty word. Commies just realized the best way to enact their ideology in the West was through entryism- they didn't ever go away.
>>1274190
If the collectives were so great, why would private business be forbidden? Surely workers wouldn't want to be exploited by evil bourgeoise, right?
>>1274210
The premises of anarchism are voluntaryism and opposition to hierarchy.
>In order to get rid of hierarchy and get voluntaryism an armed group of people imposes communism on people under their power.
It's an explicit contradiction. Trots and anarchists are crypto-stalinists.
Gommies taking over China
>>1274233
>I'll be dense to cover up for my lack of critical thinking
>>1274231
>Pleasure is not happiness.
Happiness is their own to find. You can't legislate people into happiness.
>That's just because they're Southern Europeans and sleep for four hours in the middle of the day.
This is a meme, basically no Spanish adults with a job do this.
>Communism is also no longer a dirty word. Commies just realized the best way to enact their ideology in the West was through entryism- they didn't ever go away.
It is a dirty word, I challenge you to try running for POTUS whilst calling yourself a communist. At most you get social democrats, who have believed in trying to progressively legislate towards socialism since forever.
If you're trying to suggest say Bernie Sanders is actually a communist I think you might be mistaken.
>>1274250
Yes, the only way to get rid of hierarchy is through violence.
>In order to get rid of hierarchy and get voluntaryism an armed group of people imposes communism on people under their power.
Yes, there's nothing wrong with this.
>>1274028
only good answers ITT desu fampai
>>1274233
>Implying I said force is bad (although 99% of the time it is).
>Implying my point wasn't that the use of force to maintain something does not inherently reveal that the thing being maintaine is unnatural - such as hierarchy.
>>1274231
>Commies just realized the best way to enact their ideology in the West was through entryism- they didn't ever go away.
>implying social-democrat "communists" won't be exterminated by proletarian squads for betraying the Invariant Programme and falling into counter-revolution and reformism
>>1274259
>Happiness is their own to find. You can't legislate people into happiness.
True, but you can legislate society into functioning better, and thereby enable people to more easily find happiness. A dysfunctional society that enables degeneracy and failure is an unhappy one.
>This is a meme
It's a meme that even the Spanish seem to believe, but more generally Spain is doing about as well as other Mediterranean countries.
>since forever
Since Western revolutionary socialism was crushed, you mean. I don't think Sanders is a commie, I think he's a democratic socialist, which amounts to the same thing administered by a different means.
>>1274276
Never EVER, Communism is dead. Go join the neoconservatives with the rest of your Trot friends.
>>1274142
>Greeks pretending to be Romans bungle battle after battle
>"eh it's okay they'll only convert Gnostics and arians who aren't real Christians anyway"
>Greeks have legend after legend warning against hubris, which itself is a Greek word
>completely ignored leading to multiple charges over defensive fortifications
>Islam could have been confined to their shitty desert peninsula
>mfw
>>1274284
>True, but you can legislate society into functioning better, and thereby enable people to more easily find happiness. A dysfunctional society that enables degeneracy and failure is an unhappy one.
There's no such thing as a happy society, there's only happy individuals. And when you afford people greater freedom to do their own thing they tend to be happier.
>It's a meme that even the Spanish seem to believe, but more generally Spain is doing about as well as other Mediterranean countries.
It's doing way worse than Italy (not that Italy's doing great), France even Slovenia. It's doing better than any Balkan banana republic tho.
>Since Western revolutionary socialism was crushed, you mean. I don't think Sanders is a commie, I think he's a democratic socialist, which amounts to the same thing administered by a different means.
He's definitely not a socialist by any measure. As I say he's a social democrat, which is about as radical as you're going to find in western governments.
And not even since revolutionary socialism was crushed. Even in the German revolution social democrats were all over the place.
>>1274293
>Communism is dead
Think you're mixing it up with capitalism, lad.
>>1274265
I didn't say that violence contradicts anarchism, my point is that the CNT imposing communism on people involves hierarchy and coercion. Getting rid of hierarchy through violence isn't what's contradictory (although it was a change for the worse), the contradiction is getting rid of a hierarchy and imposing another hierarchy (CNT imposing communism).
>>1274293
>Trot
>It's like how Mussolini, that fucking idiot, assumed Amadeo Bordiga to be a "trotskyist" and left it at that.
>>1274317
Unfortunately for both of us, capitalism is stronger than ever. Communists have been calling it late capitalism since the 1970s and it's never borne fruit.
>>1274325
Equality does not apply to counter-revolutionaries.
>>1274326
Closer to a Trotskyist than a Stalinist for sure.
But is there really much difference between charcoal and coal? No, they both belong in an oven.
>>1274328
Capitalism is very powerful but I don't have much faith in its long term prospects.
At this point we have technology that can produce stuff for literally zero effort but needs to be protected by glaringly artificial laws, the vast majority of profits are being made in finance AKA meme money and we've gotten to the point where we're strapped for ways to deal with economic crises. There's no breaks on the capitalism-train anymore, at this point it's something different or bust for the human race.
>>1274339
>I don't read.
http://en.internationalism.org/ir/106_enigma.html
"Here the Fraction went further than Trotsky, who with his theory of "primitive socialist accumulation" considered that Russia had indeed begun to lay the foundations for a socialist society, even if he rejected Stalin's claim that such a society had already arrived.
For the Italian left, the proletariat could only really establish its political domination in one country, and even this would inevitably be undermined by the isolation of the revolution."
"The brutally anti-working class role of Stalinism was further confirmed by its role in the massacre of the workers in Spain, and by the Moscow trials, behind which an entire generation of revolutionaries was being wiped out.
These developments led the Fraction to reject once and for all any policy of defence of the USSR. This in turn marked a further stage in the break between the Fraction and Trotskyism. For the latter, there existed a fundamental contradiction between the "proletarian state" and world capital. The latter had an objective interest in uniting against it, and therefore it was the duty of revolutionaries to defend it from imperialist attack.
For Bilan however it was clear that world capitalism could quite easily adapt to the existence of the Soviet state and its nationalised economy, both on the economic level and, above all, on the military level. They predicted with chilling accuracy that the USSR would be fully integrated into one or other of the two imperialist blocs that would engage in the forthcoming war, even if the issue of which particular bloc it would join had not yet been decided.
The Fraction thus argued very explicitly that the Trotskyist position of defencism could only lead to the abandoning of internationalism in the face of imperialist war:"
>>1272283
american revolution
>>1274334
>Hierarchy wasn't really hierarchy because counterrevoluionaries
Wew, lad.
That's some fine doublespeak.
Battle of Hastings
>>1274506
Yes, as I say
>Equality doesn't apply to counter-revolutionaries.
>>1274028
Portuguese coup d'etat is the saddest of them all, centuries of monarchy and tradition wiped away for no good reason. fucking commies.
The fall of Ezo republic.
vietnam war
>mfw not only did pol pot win but he lead a long life
19th ammendment
>>1275252
He lost to Vietnam tho.
The 40% rule in the Scottish 1979 devolution referendum [The bad guy being Labour dissenters backstabbing their own government and in the case of Scottish ones, their constituents.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution_referendum,_1979
>Government legislates for Scottish and Welsh assemblies [similar-ish to devolved parliaments today, although more basic.], to be put to a referendum
>Some Labour MPs vote with the Conservatives for an amendment saying it must be backed by 40% of the electorate, instead of just a majority of those who vote.
>51.6% of Scots voted for a devolved assembly
>This would normally be sufficient for the referendum to pass [It would've been sufficient for independence in 2014.]
>However it's 32.9% of total electorate so, no assembly for u :^)
I was going to say the failure of the SDP to make a breakthrough and replace Labour in 1983 as the main opposition party [the bad guy again being Labour], but then I made a link I hadn't made before:
>Labour MP George Cunningham added a requirement that the approval at the referendum be by 40% of Scotland's total registered electorate
>In November 1981, Cunningham resigned from the Labour Party ...before becoming one of the later ex-Labour defectors to the newly founded Social Democratic Party in June 1982. Cunningham lost his seat by just 363 votes (1%) at the 1983 general election to Labour candidate...at the 1987 general election when he lost by a similar narrow margin....He has not re-entered the House of Commons since...
Comedy gold. Cut short his own parties last period in government, then jumped overboard and grasped an anchor. Amusing enough to disregard any fantasies about the SDP as a force for good.
The Chinese Civil War.
>>1274103
I would say anarchists would be those guys who group up and refuse to recognize any sort of rule over them, internal or external. Obviously, it's extremely difficult to actually contest other people when you don't organize or have any obligations to anyone, so this is pretty much impossible outside of a large state propping a smaller one up against external and internal threats.
And speaking of that, that might actually be a pretty good way for anarchy to work -- small, individual regions that only have one obligation, to contribute manpower and materiel/currency to a more regimented and orderly group. Basically, you're free to do whatever so long as you contribute the strength to someone to back you up.
>>1273561
If you actually believe that you must be a Turk.
Constantinople was the most important city in Europe even in it's shitty run down state during the early 15th century.
There's a reason the Mudslimes tried to conquer it about 10 times before the Turks finally managed it.
>>1272882
ISIS sexual slavery is horrifying but Hussein never gave the Kurds a safe space, he gassed them at Halabja and masscared them elsewhere.
>>1273043
He didn't say that.
>>1274198
At least they're not roaches.
>>1272870
Ultimately my country fucked up but I'm glad you Kurds are in a better position now. Don't let these Turkroaches and other faggots get you down Kurdbro.
>>1272283
Soviet war in Afghanistan
batle of tours
lepanto
>>1272369
> Implying the world would have been a better place with more commie countries
>>1272698
Bismarck was a cool dude
Wilhelm the 2nd was the retard, fucking Bulargian ass-slapping, Bismarck sacking, Schlieffen sucking prick
>>1275252
Pol pot did nothing wrong, you are just a glasses wearing faggot
Second Italo-Abyssinian War.
>there is good and evil in history
Jesus fucking Christ you guys are plebs.
Fall of the USSR.
[Bad guy being Boris Yeltsin and his supporters, not the USA. The USSR was bad, but what followed was worse, including vote-rigging in 1995.]
>>1272283
Korean war, its all a matter of perspective
US/West:
> Evil USSR created the problem in the first place
> Evil China prevented US/UN from liberating Korea and created North Korea
China:
> Evil US forces ignored Chinese warnings and went too far and wanted to infringe China's sovereignty and hence China had no choice but to defend itself, killing hundreds of thousands of Chinese in the process
>have to put up with North Korea and all its bullshit as even supporting a state with concentration camps is better than having US forces near your borders.
Koreans:
>Evil foreigners broke us apart and our nation will never be united again
>Sure the South may be prosperous but what's the point when our brothers up North are living in hell on Earth?
>>1276324
>what followed was worse
For Russia, maybe.
Pelloponesian War
>>1273444
Made me chuckle
>>1272283
chinese revolution.
more then two thousand years of imperial history with different dynasties ruined. I fucking hate Sun yat Sen so much
>>1273568
This.
National-syndicalists should have won, not reactionaries.
>>1276373
LITERALLY THIS
>>1274305
>if the Greeks one Islam would've stayed in Arabian Peninsula
M8 you realize the largest population of Muslims in the world is in Southeast Asia?
>>1272698
>France starts a war
>Gets whooped
>Pays through the nose
>Bismarck is at fault
t. terrible Frenchman
Any Muslim victory.
>>1274142
You can hate Islam, but you can't deny that Khalid ibn al-Walid was a badass.
>>1274916
I can't wait for someone edgier than you to decide you're a counterrevolutionary too. ;)
>>1272283
Every time mongols won
Cassander after Alexander's death
Battle of Teutoburg
Mao's army
Sea Peoples
>>1273568
I'd take Franco over russian shills with siesta delirium everytime
>>1272283
Second Italo Ethiopian war.
>>1274911
>the eternal anglo
>>1274123
T. John Green
>>1274208
Maxi noooo ;_;
I-I'm sorry
>>1276373
Literally the perfect answer
The forefathers of western civilization being laid low by historically overrated mud-hut savages. After Thebes takes away their precious army of slave owning pricks at Leuctra they are never again important on a historical scale.
>>1278259
It's true though.
They killed a shitload of Chinks and Arabs, and made it possible for Western republicanism to become the dominant form of civilization on the planet instead of the insect like collectivism of the east.
>>1278410
>Sparta
>the good guys
That isn't Athens.
>>1272283
WW2
>>1272283
Crimean War, objetctively
>>1278418
nigga are you high?
http://www.wga.hu/html_m/k/klenze/acropoli.html
>>1272893
>>1274142
Fucking lol @byzaboos, how do you fuck up a 5:1 advantage
>>1272283
The second balkan war
>>1272283
The battle of Troy
>>1272283
Literally any revolution
>>1272772
> le European Dark Ages meme
>>1272432
Underrated post.
>>1278539
>le dark ages didn't happen meme
>>1273568
Antifa-ggot.
>>1278767
There's a difference between
>centralised statehood disappeared in Europe for 300 years
and
>ALL SCIENTIFIC AND INTELLECTUAL PROGRESS COMPLETELY HALTED FOR 1000 YEARS WHILE EUROPE WALLOWED IN ITS OWN IGNORANCE
And you know damn well which one most people mean when they say 'Dark Ages'
french and indian war
>>1274208
Hey at least they got a nice military dictatorship out of it. Better than being ruled by an old white guy lol amirite
Everytime britain won anything.
Everytime the dutch won anything.
Everytime the USA won anything.
The english channel breeds evil people.
>>1278413
*tips fedora*
The reason Western republicanism moved to the forefront was fueled by American gold famalam, not the fact the Asians were killed en masse.
The Mongols and their ilk have done nothing but topple good civilizations and kill innocents, and if there is a Satan he most certainly is the king of Mongolia.
>>1279149
>and if there is a Satan he most certainly is the king of Mongolia.
>>1272283
Pretty much every successful Mongol siege
>>1277906
Constantinople - despite being in ruins and mostly deserted - was still more awe-inspiring and grand than any of the other European Medieval cities. I believe a number of Venetian and Genoese traders in the late 15th centuries themselves wrote that.
>>1274224
>implying that force isn't literally the most natural way of social organization
>>1272283
>>1272870
>God bless the country that sent their friend and ally chemical weapons to use against the Persians, and turned a blind eye when said friend and ally turned them on his own citizens
America didn't give a shit about you, America doesn't give a shit about you.
>>1272903
Easy to see it in hindsight.
>>1272283
Literally any conflict the Romans won.
>>1279621
Hillary actually seems like a good person to me. I much prefer her.
I don't get the hate. The Clinton Foundation spends 89% on aid and there are no proven wrongdoings (just some donations from donors orthogonal to her causes). The emails recently seem to have vilified her because apparently the investigation is focused on systemic things not her (http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-emails-in-probe-dealt-with-planned-drone-strikes-1465509863). She also seems to have a really good relationship with activist groups everywhere.
She just has a bit of a lying problem and has a problem communicating some issues (where she didn't flip but people say she did (15 dollar minimum wage/single payer/etc.).
Either way this is too soon to be talking about so I guess I'll stop.
>>1279702
disgusting shill
>>1272283
Easter Rising
>>1279702
She's a traditional politician (see: Machiavellian morality, lies), and people don't like traditional politicians nowadays, hence Trump's appeal
>>1278092
You think anyone would have converted to that religion if they hand had miraculous military success? Or if they hadn't already spread like wildfire across central Asia and North Africa? No, probably not.
Describe a war in 3 words
>Fucking lumberjacks fighting
>>1279849
Impossible to know, and correlation =/= causation. The fact of the matter is that Islam reached Indonesia by word of mouth
>>1278866
And relative to Baghdad at the time of its sacking, Europe wasn't doing nearly as well. Sure, it wasn't all alchemists and witch-burnings, but the Arabs were more advanced on most fronts at that time.
>>1277931
And stop your retard monarchist memes.
>>1272432
u rite
>>1278854
Boy you sure showed me huh!
>>1275402
This
>>1278136
Dis
>>1279883
Third Punic War
>Poor little Carthaginian
>>1272870
It was a Kurd (Barzani) who asked Sadam to gas his fellows. The Kiurds in Iraq elected this man to be their leader after Sadam fell. This same Barzani is now very close to Erdogan.
>>1273568
I don't get these spanish fags. The black state was more voluntary, and did better militarily given the circumstances and what they had to work with.
Not even memeing but the USA in its conflicts with the Native Americans.
Not a white guilt faggot and any modern feathernigger who says I need to apologise can fuck off. But destroying an entire race and cultural group just kinda seems wrong to me man.
>>1272681
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More like Persian/Greek Renaissance that was briefly interrupted by Mohammad being a fucking nigger.
>>1273847
t. American Education
Germany is fucking its own shit up even harder than it's fucking everyone else shit
>>1272283
WWII, the UK and France are monsters for what they did to Poland
WWI, the UK and France are monsters for what they did to the Arabs
Pre-WW wars, the UK and France are monsters for what they did
>>1272432
This.
>>1280403
it's ok bb, i know it's hard to admit all of modern white culture is only what it is because of the Muslims. It's too difficult for white culture to accept that it's been backwards for most of history until Islam inspired it, i get that. White culture is shit, so it can't accept facts.
The real meme is white people trying to take over the middle east for oil. when in reality, you all just want to be Muslim and bang sexy middle easter girls. It's very simple psychology, really. Why do you think SJW exist? They are products of white culture for a reason.
>>1274028
You forgot your trip, Constantine.
>>1281259
he just said persians contributed to science, what does this have to do with white chauvinism
>>1281259
Low quality bait, yo.
>>1279702
The reason Im worried about her is that shes a centrist politician with generally conservative views on economic and foreign policy and left wing social views, but her presidency and everything she does will be touted as the craziest leftist bullshit you could ever imagine, and Im worried that the country will swing further right in the aftermath as a result.
>>1272283
I can think of one that's still celebrated today.
The Maccabean revolt, which Hanukkah celebrates.
The very fact that holiday exists is all you need to know that those goddamn kikes are bad news
>ITT /pol/ strikes again
But on the topic
>The Opium Wars
And really most of the "colonial" wars in this era were foreign, imperial powers conquering and oppressing far weaker peoples. But especially the Opium Wars.
[spoiler] And before you /pol/ shitposters jump on me, I'm not just shaming big, bad whitey here. This kind of thing was the reality of the era, and is certainly not exclusive to Europeans. [/spoiler]
war in Lybia
never forget based Gadaffi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6syr1tjbgA
>>1272936
>t. Moor
>>1282742
tfw
Why americans so obsessed with germany?
When amerifats are awake the naziboo/pol faggotry is sky high on his
>>1272283
Not trying to be a /pol/tard, but the Crusades after the first (ESPECIALLY the Children's Crusade) considering a Christian "Holy Land" would be much favorable to a Muslim one, even if they are both insane.
>>1283555
>le neo-Nazi meme
Try a bit harder.
>>1283555
I'm from NJ so the cuckery outnumbers the Nazi faggotry.
>>1272870
Kurds are literally fighting for their existence now from a genocidal terror state.
>>1283578
>that pic
I wonder which camp you consider yourself part of?
>>1273030
>basically destroyed Chinese culture.
If you knew what you were talking about, you'd understand why if that happened it would have been a good thing.
>>1283605
>that pic
I wonder which autistic camp you consider yourself part of?
>>1273460
>ISIS is made up of former Baathist party members
Nice fucking meme
Most of ISIS isn't even Iraqi (or Syrian) you faggot.
>>1283612
The one that isn't /pol/.
>>1272681
Mongols were not a people so much as a natural disaster.
>>1283625
I was thinking about how much the Mongols fucked everything up.
>>1283664
That's all they did, really. Like a volcanic eruption, or a living plague. If you could go back and exterminate them all before the conquests we'd be living in a much better world today.
>>1283613
It's fighters are foreign opportunity seekers, but the quasi-governmental infrastructure that is successfully taking and holding ground like a nation waging war didn't just magically sprout out of Al-Bagdadi's asshole.
>>1279702
>systemic things not her
Did we read the same story? Because the "systemic thing" is her.
>>1283757
(Citation needed)
>>1280226
>le alchemy is bad meme
>le witch burnings were medieval and not early modern meme
>le Arabs were the people contributing to the spread of ideas in the Islamic world, not subject peoples and non Arab muslims
kek
Vietnam war.
>>1283795
Jesus Christ you are one dense motherfucker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-hidden-hand-behind-the-islamic-state-militants-saddam-husseins/2015/04/04/aa97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/03/isis-forces-exbaathist-saddam-loyalists/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-saddams-former-soldiers-are-fueling-the-rise-of-isis/
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2015/08/21/Where-is-Iraq-s-Baath-party-today-.html
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate/
Took me all of 5 seconds with a quick google search.
Great Emu War
