Why didn't Japan follow the same path of ethnic masochism and national guilt than Germany after World War II? They were both defeated and occupied by the United States, but while in Germany any kind of right-wing thought is considered anathema and akin to Nazism, in Japan most politicians, and many big businessmen and intellectuals, are members of openly revisionist and ultraconservative organizations and no one seems to care except commies.
Because it was already ethnically homogenous.
>>1262574
So was Germany in 1945.
>>1262580
>/pol/ actually believes this
Here in Japan the mentality is nod like you agree then do whatever the fuck you want later.
>>1262580
You're retarded
their victims were chinese, not people who could pass as white and be linked to a biblical heritage, so the western world didn't care to shame them over it.
if north japan had been conquered by the soviets though and taken over by communists, you can bet that it would've happened there at least.
>>1262569
You can't eliminate """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""right-wing""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" thinking from East Asians, period.
Even Red China has some conservative-nationalistic elements with it.
Because it's main victims were chinese/Koreans who still remained bitter enemies after the war and it served Western interests to support Japanese instransigence against its actions in asia.
>>1262622
No one is talking about Turks you mongoloid.
>>1262583
>>1262611
What ethnic minorities existed in Germany as of 1945, after the end of WWII?
The Jews had misteriously disappeared, and Slavs were outside the new borders. Unless you are counting displaced persons, there were no minorities.
Meanwhile, the expulsion of ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe led to the country becoming ethnically homogenous for the first time in it's history.
>>1262655
Then tell me what you are talking about.
>>1262569
One was an extremely important US ally with questionable post-war loyalties.
The other was not. And was surrounded by contiguous US allies.
>>1262731
But that is not what was stated and defended by the two shitposters.
>>1262794
All that was stated by them was that Germany was not ethnically homogeneous in 1945.
>>1262668
>Meanwhile, the expulsion of ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe
Jeez I wonder why
>>1262668
>The Jews had misteriously disappeared
You mean migrated to Palestine.
>>1262569
Because they didn't piss off the Jews, so.unlike Germany there was no holohaox rammed down their throat and they aren't demonized by the media even though they did equally bad if not worse things.
Because Jews live in Europe
>>1262569
>Why didn't Japan follow the same path of ethnic masochism and national guilt than Germany after World War II?
The intelligentsia did for about two decades, then it blew over from lack of support.
Politically, the main reason is that little "denazification" was done and the political scene was filled with former war criminals, colonial administrators and anti-commie para-fascists. The US tolerated it because muh cold war and those guys at least paid lip service to liberalism.
Also I think most people don't realize that Japan was simply more distant and foreign than a European country like Germany, so it was generally harder to influence.
>>1262823
In the future when the Chinese take over the planet Japan will get the fully Germany and then some.
>>1262731
The idea of a German nation predates the unified German state by several centuries. Either way, we were talking about 1945.
>>1262829
Basically. The America owns Japan, and the Chinese have no pull in the media here. If they ever do, we'll be learning about the 6 gorillian chinamen slaughtered in Nanking rape camps
>>1262583
>>1262611
>>1262668
In 1945 there were Danes in Schleswig, Sorbs in Brandenburg and Saxony, some Frisians on the coast,( at this point mostly germanized) Poles in the Ruhr Area and slavic Masurians, Kashubians and Silesians, from the eastern territories.
All those were just a few 100,000 though. Apart from that the population was homogenously German (i.e. members of the tribes that traditionally constitute Germany).
>>1262829
>mfw based Chinese saving us from the eternal jap
>>1262569
America wasn't as hard on Japan as Germany, because they wanted them to be a good ally against China and Russia.
Because Germany wasn't nuked by its future "allies."
Because Japan is a society of shame instead of a society of guilt.
>>1262853
>Chinese have no pull in the media here
Considering China's film industry is slowly overtaking Hollywood, it's only a matter of time...
>>1262569
They know they did nothing wrong so there's no need to feel guilty over it.
>>1262569
Oh, is another "poor German victim of evil powers"
Yeah, is not like the right wing is rising in Germany or something.
>>1262829
>chingchongs actually believe this
>>1262569
because the US had to win the hearts of the Japanese to prevent them from surrendering to the Soviets.
Germany, on the otherhand, was cut up into pieces by force, so they had to suck up to the allies. The japanese were allowed to get away with a lot of bs because the US didn't want them bucking against them and splitting Japan.
>>1262574
This is completely irrelevant. only retards think homogeneity has anything to do with anything other than who might be fighting who.
>>1262807
yes, they were. Except for made up ethnic groups, like Jews, who were ethnically german but years of Catholic Church propaganda made Europeans believe these people who look and act white but follow a difference religion are a different ethnic group.
>>1262569
They are not christian.
>>1263764
>Yeah, is not like the right wing is rising in Germany or something.
Germany has always had right wing parties, Merkels party is center-right ffs.
>>1263849
I know, but to 4chan Christian-Democratic parties are almost Socialist.
>>1263815
>like Jews, who were ethnically german
>who look and act white
t. jewish new yorker
Asians lack the instinctual liberalism that comes more naturally to Whites. It's a weakness and a strength. They tend to be more static and behind the innovation curve socially, but they also don't jump off a cliff like Sweden.
>>1262569
>Why didn't Japan follow the same path of ethnic masochism and national guilt than Germany after World War II?
The US quietly steered Japan into a system of government perhaps best described as "fascism-lite" to build them up as a bulwark against Marxism.
The Japanese also never tried to erase an entire ethnic group of people out of existence. Also Asian nations don't care about things like the Geneva conventions which is mostly agreements of civility between western nations in times of war
Italy and Japan didn't.
>>1262569
Because Japan didn't have any Jews to control their media, government, universities, banks, etc etc.
This white guilt we have in the West is because of the Jews.
>>1265258
>nationaism and conservativism are all forms of facism
can this meme pls die
>>1263849
>Merkel
>center right
I guess that's true for everything except for the literal open borders policy that's actively destroying Europe right now, sure.
That one's kind of a biggie.
>>1262823
>there was no holohaox
>even though they did equally bad
So are you saying that the Germans did commit genocide? Or that the Japanese didn't? Because your statement contradicts itself.
>>1265484
Japan is a great example of fascism-lite.
South Korea and Singapore do it as well.
>>1265547
He's saying that the Japanese have warcrimes and genocides on their hands, but not one were a select transnational ethnicity which had out sized power in media and financing, who then proceeded to trumpet the horrors of the holocaust as reason number one for the creation of a Jewish state in the Palastinean region, which to this day continues to use the holocaust as a reason for western powers (America) to provide aid and support.
>>1262569
The Japanese Emperor cut a deal with MacArthur and made his country useful to the U.S. as a naval and air base, and ally against communism. Hirohito was one of the most shrewd political figures in history, and possibly the last monarch to hold near complete power over his country. He managed to keep his government in charge of his school systems and propaganda network, and maintained much of Japan as it had been pre-war through a greatly successful national effort to integrate what was left of the country into the post-war Western military system, especially as a base for U.S. warships, aircraft, and soldiers. Throughout the Korean and Vietnamese wars, Japan was where wounded soldiers were sent for intensive care, where supplies and munitions were stored, and acted as a staging ground for U.N. and U.S. forces. The moment Japan was allowed a military again, they immediately took over anti-submarine warfare duties in the Sea of Japan, and escort duties in the West Pacific for American vessels. Basically, Hirohito dedicated his later life to making sure that Japan was useful to America as itself, rather than presenting the country as something that needed to be brainwashed into pacification.
>>1262650
Wait, Japan never had war with Korea except once in 16 century. During the WWII era, Korea was Japan. Many ex-Korean soldiers fight with allies as Japanese soldier. Even in Treaty of San Francisco, Korea isn't acknowledged as victorious nation.
>>1265971
You are overestimating Japanese Emperor. He's been a figure head and has no real power for over 500 years. Even in Meiji era, Emperor didn't have any last say on anything.
>>1265971
This is part of it, but it neglects how much Hirohito ingratiated himself to the Americans, as himself, rather than as proxy for Japan.
The Japanese didn't need to be 'brainwashed'. There was large scale, popular enthusiasm for the abolition of the monarchy, or at least the abdication and trial of Hirohito.
Article 9 was taken up and embraced by the population with such vigor that it endangered all the things you mentioned. For various reason, most of which are awful, it was SCAP that decided to protect the emperor, not the Japanese people, and not even the Imperial Household, despite the fact that Hirohito was absolutely the person most responsible for everything.
And this is why Japan, unlike Germany, is unable to seriously grapple with it's history. Because if you did, you would have to conclude the entire structure of Post-War government is an abomination, and the U.S. has been complicit in it. Imagine a Germany where we decided to keep Hitler as head of state (where he stays until the 1980s), hung Goering and Bormann after they insisted Hitler was a powerless figurehead, and the first postwar prime minister was, say, Hjalmar Schacht.
Wouldn't you expect that to be a place that to have an immature, neurotic grasp on the war?
>>1267136
>Even in Meiji era, Emperor didn't have any last say on anything.
Except for the appointment of Judges, appointments of peerage, and supreme command of the armed forces, and the appointment of the cabinet.
>>1267149
That's purely ritually. Even now Emperor attests some position but he has no veto. I don't think Hirohito wasn't responsible for the WWII, but it's true he didn't have any other choice. If Japanese government decided to start war, he couldn't oppose it.
>>1267161
> If Japanese government decided to start war, he couldn't oppose it.
He appointed the Japanese government that served at his pleasure. If they wanted war, he could fire them and they would be powerless to do anything about it.
The war cabinet was there specifically because they were people Hirohito entrusted to carry out his will and vision for the empire.
It's as disingenuous as claiming that Stalin was a mere figurehead, because all power rested in the politburo.
>>1263849
>Merkel
>center right
And euros wonder about why the rest of the world considers them cuck material
>>1267189
>He appointed the Japanese government that served at his pleasure.
No. Japanese government was elected even under the wartime. If you imagine Japanese Emperor to be like dictators like Hitler or Stalin, that's wrong. If there's something akin to dictator, it's the military. The War minister was appointed according to the recommendation from the military. But if they didn't like the government, they refused to recommend anyone. Under Meiji constitution, the military was interpreted as directly under the Emperor. So they refused to obey the government they didn't like, making use of the authority of the Emperor.
100% of Park Geun Hye's cabinet belongs to chinilpa (japanese collaborator), right-wing, revisionism
>>1262569
Because Germany is cunt
>>1265934
the fuck even is "facism-lite"
one country is a constitutional monarchy, the other is a democracy and the third is just your average city-state
the only things in common are their conservativism and the fact they are all doing exceptionally well
