Hi, /his/.
I know that american soldiers executed SS guards at Dachau and probably other prison camps even though the SS had surrendered, and that's already bad, but did the american High Command ever give the order to summarily kill any SS they meet, even if they surrendered?
I've heard that SS were considered all war criminals by default and that the angloamericans just killed them on the spot. Is that true?
If it is, what evidence we have for that order? When was it emanated and by whom?
>>1249704
>and that's already bad
But it isn't, anon. It's very much a good deserving of medals and fame.
>>1249704
The SS were the workers and commanders or Death Camps, whose sole purpose was murder of unarmed noncombatants. That seems like a good reason.
>inb4 holocaust denial
No. US military authorities never sanctioned anything like that. The Germans on the other hand were executing captured Russian soldiers and claiming they were "partisans" because they were behind German lines.
>>1249738
I've read that Operation Eclipse called for the automatic arrest of any SS. Is that true?
>>1249704
Americans had Jewish german exiles as translators. Commanders they did not trust German americans. German was banned from american schools during WW1. A big deal considering German was up for consideration for the official US language.
Roosevelt had surrounded himself with Jews. So he was complicit. Same with Churchill.
>>1249738
Russians did worse. See movie "a woman in berlin".
>>1249704
Disarmed enemy combatants.
Also many of the translators were exiled Jews, they became executioners and interrigators.
>>1249706
> they deserve honor
The executioner has no honor anon.
>>1249707
>they were death camps
Communist propaganda. All allied camps have been downgraded to concentration camps. Historical fact. So where americans were concerened they did not encounter so called death camps.
They'd execute them even if not given an order and nobody would care.
>>1249832
They had a swimming pool and a cinema.
>>1249867
And it wasn't for the prisoners
The US regularly executed prisoners during WWII, not just the ss either
>>1249881
They wete trated for lice and typhus. Someone working there wanted the prisoners to live anon.
Typhus makes people skinny.
The cremation areas were required to keep disease away the prisoners, the graves were filling with carrion. They could of also been used to cremate Germans killed during the bombings. They could of left the graves to rot and let the prisoners die of disease if they really wanted them dead anon.
It takes 8-12 hours to cremated a body. If they're running all night the cremation ovens could of never added up to the body count in Poland concentration camps. Math doesnt add up anon.
>>1249913
You dont sent your best people to run prisons. Dont blame infantry for getting revenge though its not honorable like the deeds of the 101st airborne.
>>1249914
>underestimating german efficiency
>>1249921
>Dont blame infantry for getting revenge though its not honorable
>don't blame people for committing war crimes we usually sentence people to death for
Ok.
>>1249914
>It takes 8-12 hours to cremated a body
Cremation services on the internet claim it only takes 2-3 hours.
>>1249720
I met a vet who told me it all depended on the general mood whether they took prisoners or not.
>>1249704
>Putting down rabid dogs is wrong.
>>1249929
Its called white washing.
Have you been in a professional army? I'd respect your opinion more if you were. The people who wrote these rules were never up to their neck in blood like soldiers. Armchair idealists and pacifists wrote articles of war. Fighting men get treated like toy soldiers by ruling class.
>>1249945
Maybe they wanted to destroy the evidence from the guards perspective? Dead men tell no tales.
>>1249704
War is hell. POWs die sometimes when they're not supposed to under the laws of war. It happens on every side in every war. It's a fact of life, and Reichaboos need to GET THE FUCK OVER IT JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
>>1249939
Most based statement.
Many of the soldiers beleive what they were told by the Disney propaganda cartoons. Or they chose not to disbeleive as it made killing easier. Germans had been dehumanized and made into monsters by end of war so as to justify any ayrocity against the hunnic kraut.
>>1249973
Sure. I guess the soviet death slave camps in Siberia are Ok then. "They deserved it" If its okay to doto the Germans then why blame Germans for doing same?
Is there one standard or a double standard? If I can make I few disney films and a charlie chaplin film of a worls leader i guess we can do anything we want to them. So there are rules of war with plenty exceptions then?
>>1249932
Depends on the oven. How about the ovens the Germans used?
>>1249926
> German stereotype.
>>1250012
>How about the ovens the Germans used?
I don't know honestly. Where did you take the 8-12 hours figure?
>>1249939
Probably the most realistic answer.
>>1249963
>we waz soldiers and sheeit wo we get to behave like animals and we should be rewarded for it.
No.
>>1249973
My question was very simple: did this happen spontaneously or was it an OFFICIAL POLICY of the Allies?
Reading comprehension.
>>1250042
no general with any political sense would put that order in writing. the war was all but over and anyone with any rank/sense/ambition was laying the political foundations for their post war career.
>>1250036
>Soldiers wear tights like in Star Trek and are dogooders for all sentient beings of the Federation and shoot enemies with stun guns.
No.
Soldiers are nasty fighting men and do the dirty job dirty job of killing their nation's enemy. Instead of honor they get women, hippies, communists and pacifists waving fingers in their face shouting "same on you". No wonder you cant get the West to fight wars properly anymore.
>>1250042
Its not something you leave a paper trail for anon. The allies were too busy building them up as the "greatest genration" to have soldiers(heroes) smeared by war atrocity stories. Plus such stories would leave Germany with yet another victim history
>>1250042
Never at any point was killing POWs an official policy except for Japan. Unofficially I'm sure it was a very popular policy. The SS was notorious for killing POWs and earned an extremely bad rap with the Americans, leading to killing SS prisoners on sight to be a bit of an unofficial order. The higher ups of course forbade this, but I don't think I've read much about this being punished or reprimanded. Band of Brothers has that scene where the guy guns down a bunch of German prisoners, that happened in real life. He wasn't reprimanded because he was a good soldier, and they needed all the good soldiers they could get at that moment, and by the time they weren't in such a pinch he had proven himself a capable commander. It was a thing that happened probably more than anyone would like to admit, and a lot of field commanders would look the other way out of desperation, apathy, or because they wanted to do the exact same thing.
It's very unlikely many of the POW executions ever made news to the higher ups of command in any army.
>>1250062
>>1250071
>>1250072
Apparently in these 2 books (diaries from german soldiers) they speak about a british officer captured after Normandy. The officer had in his pocket a note saying to kill any SS or Gestapo on sight.
>https://www.amazon.de/Saat-den-Sturm-Waffen-SS-berichtet/dp/370200887X
>https://www.amazon.de/gestohlene-Jugend-Fallschirmj%C3%A4ger-Stahlhagel-Salerno/dp/3925243003
I don't speak german though, so I don't know.
>>1250064
They also get all dat sweet, sweet enemy pussy.
>>1250076
I believe that was less about killing POWs and rather killing them before they could become POWs, but I can't speak for the British or where that command came from even. Could have been a Lt. Col acting out on his own or it could have come from Monty or even Churchill himself, who knows.
I do know to the best of my knowledge it was never an official US order, unofficial yes.
There was no official order, but after the camps, people's inhibitions got the better of them.
>>1250098
>that was less about killing POWs and rather killing them before they could become POWs
But it's a meaningless distinction: once an enemy surrenders, it's automatically a POW.
It's not that you can kill him if he hasn't compiled his "POW status request" module.
>>1249914
Alright so I'm going to shit on everything you hold near and dear to you now stormshitter
>>1249939
It was not official policy. Read the accounts of people who liberated the camps and you'll notice that they talk about the soldiers who did the killing being overcome with rage at what they saw, and justified it at the moment by trying to claim the guards were attempting to escape. The bodies you see lined up against the wall in this pic are those of guards and troops stationed at Dachau who were machine gunned by a hysterical young US soldier who claimed they were trying to escape.
A lot of US soldiers gave conflicting info to reporters at the time either to bolster their reputations, make a good story, and/or protect the names of their comrades who behaved questionably. Here's a bunch of letters/answers from the US veterans who were present at Dachau trying to set the record straight. One of them is by a man who gave the investigation report to Patton that recommended a court martial, and Patton responded by tearing up the papers and telling him to drop the subject.
http://www.45thinfantrydivision.com/index14.htm
>>1250150
I know I know, still there is a difference between a surrendering enemy and a POW. There were more than a few instances of "surrenders" in the war. Especially among the Japs.
That probably soured a lot of soldier's willingness to accept surrender but that's not super relevant.
Again, I can't speak for the British or the validity of that article, or where the order came from, but killing surrendering or surrendered enemies was still quite common. For a myriad of reasons.
>>1249720
I'm almost certain it wasn't official policy, but it was sort of an unspoken thing where officers were far more likely to look the other way if you shot SS soldiers.
I heard Allies didn't take Japanese POW's at least until late 1944 and just killed them on sight even when they tried to surrender. Is it true?
>>1250179
It was really common to shoot surrendering Japanese because they had the habit of laying traps / killing themselves and trying to take others with them.
They abused surrender to kill the officers who would go and collect them. That sort of thing turns people against accepting surrender really quick.
I'm still pretty sure that officially you were supposed to accept surrenders, it was just a situation where most soldiers and officers ignored the rules.
>>1250179
10/10 times when a Jap "surrendered" he'd be hiding a grenade stuffed up his sleeve
>>1250179
There was a lot more suspicion directed towards Japanese troops surrendering because it was so uncommon and they had a reputation for fighting to the death and for faking surrender and waiting until the right moment to cause damage to their captors.This created a bit of a feedback loop where Japanese soldiers wouldn't surrender because they (reasonably) feared that they'd be killed or tortured.
>>1250158
No stormfags here. One Jew is too many.
Now you just have to show us Stephen Speilburgs conveyor belts (rediculous proposition) from the actual camps.
No one is denying there wasnt walled ghettos or gold stars anon.
Didn't US troops make a point of not letting SS surrender/shooting SS on sight after the Malmedy massacre?
>>1250188
All your cute infographs prove absolutely NOTHING about the holocaust.
And those red writings make them look like the work of a 14 year old.
>>1250240
I think that was just FJs.
Could be wrong.
But yeah, with the allies war crimes tended to happen at the platoon and company level and be ignored by high command.
>>1250299
Not that guy, but I don't know what you're expecting as proof aside from all that there is already. The infographs are just showing those bogus stormfront claims for what they are.
Yes, but many SS Soldiers went to Nuremberg and were considered not guilty, specially Panzer platoons and some Legions, like latvian and dutch
>>1250318
>The infographs are just showing those bogus stormfront claims for what they are.
Except that they don't answer any question or disprove any point and the holohoax narrative keeps having more holes than swiss cheese.
![Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H26996,_KZ_Dachau,_Verbrennungsofen[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rA54uDE.jpg "Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H26996,_KZ_Dachau,_Verbrennungsofen[1].jpg")
>>1250363
Please point out those holes, stormfronter
>They were treated for typhus yadda yadda
This doesn't pertain to the killing of Jews
>The cremation areas were required to keep disease away the prisoners, the graves were filling with carrion. They could of also been used to cremate Germans killed during the bombings. They could of left the graves to rot and let the prisoners die of disease if they really wanted them dead anon.
Literally made up explanations, they could also be used to store Ragu jars, but evidence suggest otherwise.
>8-12 hours
It may take 8-12 hours to burn a body in a casket and make it the dust you put in a nice container for your living room, but they were stacked in groups inside, where they were burned mostly within 90 minutes (~6000 daily at Birkenau alone)
>Except that they don't answer any question or disprove any point and the holohoax narrative keeps having more holes than swiss cheese.
Pay no attention to the fact most people making these sort of statements have ties to neo-nazi groups and are therefore largely ignored by academia. I thought this was a real history board.
>>1250419
Because Jewish people are the majority in Academia and considering colleges are complete cultural marxism breeding grounds, it makes sense.
Where are the bones and mass graves. Zyclon B?
Inconsistencies in death rate and jewish population via census polls?
>>1250459
Well that's me going to sleep, goodnight al
>>1250419
>stormfronter
>neo nazi associations
>not a real historian
Scarcrow arguements & ad hominen.
>neo nazi associations
False equivilency.
Anything nationalist or pro White would be neo nazi im your opinon. You're sounding like RT whem they discuss any non pan slavic nationism. Stick to the facts and citations and we'll discuss them.
>>1250459
Wikipedia actually set up a self service page for this if you're genuinely interested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial
Bonus points, David Irving got blown the fuck out in federal court.
>>1250419
Not a stormfronter, just a concerned citizen. The holocaust is choking full of ridiculous bullshit. For example you claim:
>they were stacked in groups inside, where they were burned mostly within 90 minutes (~6000 daily at Birkenau alone)
When even with the most modern crematoriums, you need from 2 to 3 hours to incinerate a human body. And that with a single corpse in the oven. If you cram more than one (admitting that there is space to do it), the time obviously increases a lot.
Look any crematory service on the internet. They all say between 2 and 3 hours per corpse.
>>1249832
it's not as if they had families or were actually human
>>1250506
>federal court
>>1249826
Coincedentally, do you know any of the American soldiers that came across those camps? Because I do.. You're full of shit. I know from first hand sources that you are full of shit.
>>1250179
When my great-grandfather came across a Japanese field hospital with his company they killed them all. That was during the Philipines liberation. Japanese soldiers were more deadly than the SS of 1945, because most of the SS left were combat fatigued to the point of cowardice.
You guys realize that the massacred Germans weren't SS camp guards, right?
They were conscripts who probably arrived a few days before the Americans and Russians did.
Himmler got his own people out of the camps and and on ratlines to South America and staffed the camps with a skeleton crew of patsies.
You're literally cheering the murder of innocent people.
Go put another 95 year old on trial for being a janitor at a camp for a week 70 years ago when he was 17. Fuck.
>>1250643
>my dad works for nintendo and also liberated nazi megaslaughter arenas
>>1250634
>can't win a civil case in a US Federal Court
>can't win a criminal case at Nuremberg
>your hypothesis is rejected roundly by the commission set up by the House of Commons, which had every incentive to downplay the Holocaust, being that Britain was literally fighting a Jewish insurgency
>get tons of free soapboxes from which to poke holes in the story, and can't find a single piece of evidence, even when your life literally depends on it
Some people are born losers.
Some people work hard at it.
>>1250665
Not my dad. I know a lot of veterans because I am related and close friends with a lot of veterans. Veterans hang out with veterans. I had the honor to meet a couple of the soldiers who liberated those camps. They weren't Jews, and they didn't distrust krauts. They weren't fucking communists either.
>>1250657
>he a good boi
>he was going to summer camp
>dindu nuffin
>>1250012
Why did germans suck at baking cake?
All of the good ovens were being used
>>1250689
>I had the honor to meet a couple of the soldiers who mindlessly gunned down unarmed prisoners of war.
>>1250734
Nazis are not people, the SS are not people, those who saw the horrors of the Concentration camps and did nothing to fight it are not people. They deserved death.
>>1249704
My grandfather fought on the Western Front, was in a tank, didn't like talking about it. But yeah he told me once that they'd usually just shoot the SS guys on sight.
>>1250459
>>1250488
>>1250519
I never got the holohoax argument. Wouldn't you stromfronters be glad the Holocaust happened? Like the destruction of the Jewish race - who according to you control the world - would be a good thing right? Just own up to it and admit it was an accomplishment
>>1250743
Who are you to decide who deserves to be human?
>>1250761
I think that's up to a court to decide, not a bunch of young naive propagandized soldiers.
>>1250743
The Wehrmacht was human, but the General SS was virtually a criminal organization
>>1250775
Allies did the same
>>1250775
>and who were they to decide that as well? Who were they to put people in camps? Who were they to invade countries for their own selfish gains?
Glorious whataboutism. If the SS did it and were wrong, what makes the Americans doing it right?
>>1250771
And you'd think wrong
>>1250777
The court at Nuremberg ruled exactly what you just said.
That the SS was a criminal organization, the Heer wasn't.
>>1250777
Did I mention the Wehrmacht? No. Did they execute regular german soldiers? Maybe, but I am not defending that. I am defending the execution of SS prison guards in charge of Concentration camps.
>>1250780
When did the allies put millions of people in camps? Name me one time.
>>1250786
The Americans carried out a punishment that would've been carried out by the courts anyway. We are talking about SS guards who fired on them. Not young boys taken from their homes and shot.
>>1250794
If the courts killed everyone in Germany who was guilty of murder, there wouldn't be a hell of a lot left.
>>1249704
The allied armies treated captured Germans as P.O.W.'s, even if they were S.S.. P.O.W.'s can, however, be put on trial in a war tribunal, and they can be subject to execution if their actions were proven to be in violation of the laws of land warfare in a manner severe enough.
Hell, even ze Germans treated captured allied troops as P.O.W.'s....for the most part.
>>1250787
lol
>>1250804
After the Malmedy Massacre the 328th Infantry Regiment issued orders to not take any SS men or paratroopers alive.
But other than that, you're right. SS men legally had POW rights as much as anyone else.
>>1250794
>one time
Britain literally invented concentration camps during the Boer War. Britain, Canada, and America rounded up Germans and Japanese into internment camps. The Soviets had the Gulag. After the war the Allies killed about 2 million Germans in Europe, many of them forcibly starved to death in concentration camps under direct order by Eisenhower.
>>1250777
>muh clean Wehrmacht
No
>>1250814
get good
>>1250817
>After the war the Allies killed about 2 million Germans in Europe
Stormkike detected.
>>1250794
>When did the allies put millions of people in camps? Name me one time.
U.S. - Japs, Germans and Italian Americans were all interred during WW II. It was the policy of the U.S. government to remove natives and place them in camps on reservations, resulting in disease and starvation for a shit ton of natives.
U.K. - Instituted a concentration camp policy for all Boers, civilian or otherwise, during the Boer wars. Resulting in disease and starvations, deaths, etc...
Australia - Treated their natives pretty much the same way the U.S. did, with the same results.
Nobody bats an eye about any of that shit, but heaven forbid somebody rounds up the fucking Jews trying to undermine your culture and society the way ze Germans did, and now all of the sudden it's a "holocaust".
>>1250817
Who fed you this bullshit? No the Americans didn't put Germans in internment camps. The Japanese? Yes. Did any of them die? No. Or at least, a very very tiny amount. Were they concentration camps? No. Were they forced labor camps? No. Were they prison camps? Fucking hardly.
Britain wasn't a part of the allied forces during the Boer War. The Belgans killed millions in the Congo too, doesn't mean they should be held accountable now.
I meant to clarify Western Allies, because yeah the Commies put people in Gulags.
>Allies starved 2 million Germans to death under orders from Eisenhower
Uh, no. Not the Western Allies. And certainly not in camps.
>>1250842
>Did any of them die? No.
Now subject the infrastructure of the mainland United States to a massive and sustained bombing campaign. Hypothetical of course.
Do they still live?
>Were they concentration camps? No.
Leaving aside death camps for the moment, what is the meaningful difference between a concentration camp and an internment camp?
>>1250841
The US never rounded up Italians or Germans. That is fucking bullshit. The Japs were interned, but weren't starved, or mistreated. What we did to them sucked, but we didn't kill any of them because of our internment policies.
What the UK and the US did to Boers and Native Americans years before the Second World War is irrelevant to my post. I could bring up a colonization attrocity for almost every European country during that period.
>Jews undermining your culture
Yeah I'm sorry a 5 year old Polish Jew was such a danger to Germany. Doesn't mean he and his family deserved death.
>>1250860
>I could bring up a colonization attrocity for almost every European country during that period.
What about Germany?
Also Austria cause I'm pretty sure no colonies.
OP was asking about the summary executions of SS members and wants to use the Dindu Nuffin and #NotAllNazis defense. Allies justified it by the nature of their association or that their soldiers were stressed but that there was no official policy. Now wehraboos want to claim that it is equivalent to the same things they were rightfully demonized for doing on a massive scale.
We know the Nazis killed millions of Jews, Soviet civilians and POWs and had the Commissar order. Wheres the Nazi defense or justification on these well documented crimes? How does their defense logic make any sense?
> Not all Nazis were SS monsters, but every Soviet Commissar was absolutely a NKVD executioner and partisan Stalinist terrorist.
> Nazis were liberating the Slavs, its the Soviets fault they resisted! Stupid slavs, they deserved their fate
> The Jews invented the Holocaust to demonize in the future poor Nazi dindus in Nuremberg because Israel
> Which is why Hitler had the foresight to write a book on them in 1925, deprived them of rights in 1933, put them in ghettos and finally death camps.
> But the Jews faked all the evidence, because the Nazis were good goys who burned as much documentation as possible
> All because the Jews hated Germany, which is why Germany is now best friends with Israel and thriving
> Oh but the brave German soldiers were stressed by the war, how were they supposed to be dignified combatants against an evil enemy they were indoctrinated to hate?
> The Allies roughed up some prisoners, so ALL confessions are invalid! Even the ones made casually with no consequences and those long after the war on deathbeds!
What I'm getting at is Americans lining up suspected SS members and the Wehrmacht lining up suspected Jews/NKVD/Partisans are not equivalent crimes the way OP and some wehraboos are implying. When your national policy is violent and you hang with thugs, do not come crying when people think you are a violent thug too.
>>1250860
Yes, they did.
http://encyclopedia.densho.org/German%20and%20Italian%20detainees/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_City_Internment_Camp
>>1250879
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
Where the Germans went, they did the exact same shit as everyone else.
>>1250852
Your first point is confusing to me... The UK faced a massive bombing campaign at the start of the war, just like the Germans. As did the Polish and the Russians.
Are you claiming that the mass amounts of those who died in the holocaust were due to allied bombing raids? Despite the fact that most camps were placed deliberately in places that would be of no strategic value to bomb.
German concentration camps had inadequate faculties and incorperated forced labor. American internment camps had adequate faculties and did not incorporate forced labor, nor was it the goal to exterminate those in the camps. Whereas with German Concentration camps I cannot say the same.
>>1250837
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350)
>>1250888
I'm pretty sure there were more than 3,000 Italian and German immigrants living in the US at that point in time... And that is assuming all those incarcerated at Crystal City were indeed German and Italian. Most were Japanese. Why these small number of Germans and Italians were incarcerated I do not know, but it was not national policy to incarcerate immigrants from enemy nations.
>>1250902
Oh yeah.
The Reds killed a ton of civilians.
It isn't that common to refer to the USSR under "allies," so I was confused.
And nice goalpost moving after claiming that Eisenhower ordered the deaths of German POWs.
>>1250909
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans#World_War_II
Most of them weren't US citizens, and the total was only about 11,000.
Pretty intellectually dishonest baka.
>>1250909
Oh, so now you've gone from "THEY WEREN'T INCARCERATED!" to "WELL, IT'S NOT THAT MANY."
How about just doing the research instead?
>>1250927
>claim that Eisenhower ordered the murder of millions of Germans
>provide evidence that the US detained about 11,000 Germans, the vast majority of which were not US citizens
>>1250165
I know where the ashes went.
>>1250918
The U.S. and France operated concentration camps where about 1 million of those 2.5 million Germans were starved to death. Eisenhower personally issued an order that no food could be supplied to the camps by concerned civilians. Read the book Other Losses.
>>1250935
You're being dishonest.
>[7] The current official position of the German government is that the death toll resulting from the flight and expulsions ranged from 2 to 2.5 million civilians.[8][9][10]
That isn't even counting POW deaths or deaths in "reparation" labour camps,
>>1250842
At the time there was no official distinction between "western allies" and the "allies."
The complicity the western powers had in the atrocities committed by their allies is similar to the complicity of the Germans in the crimes committed by their Turkish allies. At least the Germans have admitted it.
What about the cossack people put into concentration camps and sent back to the soviet firing squads, even though they begged the Americans not to send them to their deaths. All done on the off chance that Stalin would be grateful for more victims, and the thought that he would throw a tantrum had they not been handed over, although in reality he probably didn't give a shit and would have done nothing had they been safely relocated.
>>1250935
>claim that Eisenhower ordered the murder of millions of Germans
WTF are you on about, anon?
I never made that claim....
>>1250984
He thinks he's arguing against just one person.
>>1250986
My claim was that the Allies murdered millions of Germans after WWII, which I've proven (2.5 million civilians). Eisenhower ordered the murder of an additional about 1 million military POWs.
>>1250902
>WAAAAAAH FEEL BAD FOR THE POOR GERMAN DINDUS WHO LOST THEIR PRECIOUS PRUSSIAN LANDS! REMEMBER THE 2 GORILLION! NEVER FORGET KONIGSBERG!
You're a stormkike because you are making the same type of victimhood argument for Germans that you will get incredibly butthurt and angry over if its Jews talking about the Holocaust and asking for reparations. Germans were not all guilty nor entirely innocent victims. They did suffer post war but their oppression was temporary and ephemeral. East/West Germany was terrible but at least they kept some of their land and got to build an army. Both Germans and Jews lost centuries old communities, but one of these two is not like the other.
>>1251017
>Eisenhower ordered the murder of an additional about 1 million military POWs.
See, this is the claim I'm disputing.
We all know the Soviets killed a large numbers of German civilians.
>>1250986
The Western Allies participated in the mass murder of Germans after the war. Read that "flight and expulsion" wiki article. It wasn't just the Soviets.
>>1251023
Killing millions of people is killing millions of people. I'm sorry if that hurts your worldview. I don't think civilians deserve to die in peacetime out of vengeance. I guess that makes me a Nazi monster.
>>1251029
So I'm looking, and I find this.
>The expulsion policy was part of a geopolitical and ethnic reconfiguration of postwar Europe. In part, it was retribution for Nazi Germany's initiation of the war and subsequent atrocities and ethnic cleansing in Nazi-occupied Europe.[21][22] Allied leaders Franklin D. Roosevelt of the United States, Winston Churchill of the United Kingdom, and Joseph Stalin of the USSR, had agreed in principle before the end of the war that the border of Poland's territory would be moved west (though how far was not specified) and that the remaining ethnic German population were subject to expulsion. They assured the leaders of the émigré governments of Poland and Czechoslovakia, both occupied by Nazi Germany, of their support on this issue.[23][24][25][26]
and this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Tulip
And nothing that even comes close to your claim.
There are WE WUZ KANGS niggers with better historiography than this.
>>1251026
Then read the book Other Losses.
>>1251055
How about you provide a source here, dipshit.
I'm not stupid enough to think that if that were true, there wouldn't be ample evidence on the internet.
You think David Irving wouldn't have jizzed in his dungarees and then become a billionaire if he could have proven a statement like that?
>>1251053
I don't believe that you even skimmed the article.
>>1251064
How about you just read the book. You haven't read the web sources I've provided so what's the use giving you more? You're acting in bad faith. I'm done with you.
>>1251029
>This wikipedia article is the entirety of my argument for the equivalence of Allied war crimes with Nazi state atrocities.
With the amount of shit that the Nazis did in the name of the German people, Germany is lucky the Allies were not MORE vengeful and enacted shit like the Morganthau plan. Even the Soviets, who ethnically cleansed East Prussia and Silesia, still let East Germany exist. The Western Allies went after only the Nazis, and sucked at that when they ended up employing them. If the Allies were so cruel and vengeful to the Germans, West Germany would not have been rearmed so quickly and would not have emerged as a key industrial center in Europe once again. Think about this alleged Allied atrocity and its insignificance when taking into account how quickly Germany recovered.
When your side loses a war it started and did a ton of bad shit too, you dont get to cry victimhood and suddenly feign concern about the cruelty of war. You get hit and you thank daddy for letting you live and you move the fuck on. OP is either stuck in 1945 or a concern troll
>>1250743
>Nazis not people.
>>1250750
>stormfronters
Once again, you make a scarecrow.
No one is happy about dead Jews.
I am unhappy that these follows that all Germans and even Whites from Allied lands deserve genocide for a highly sensationalized tragedy with an inflated body count. Honesty I personally get angry everytime someone memes some hollywood, disney or newpapet propaganda. True historians try to sift past propaganda to the truth. That involves knowing how self interest and motivations of the author influence their deacriptions of historical events.
>>1249966
Maybe they wanted to destroy the evidence from the guards perspective?
WELL FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE ALLIES ARE EVIL
>>1251048
You might actually be a Nazi if you think you can honestly ignore the historical context of the atrocities and feign concern since both involved millions of innocent people on both sides of the war. After all, if we ignore context, aren't all atrocities all the same with no reason to pursue justice? And if we can dismiss morals as being man made constructs of no consequence to anything "real", why bother talking about atrocities in the first place? People die all the time, who cares?
What were the Germans involved in 1939-1945 that ended up in Germany in ruins and their expulsion from East Prussia and Silesia? And what of European Jewry that resulted in their ethnic cleansing and near total erasure of centuries old heritage across Europe between 1933-1945?
Think carefully about the second question, it will reveal your true colors. You already projected your answer in your initial response. You either come across as a Nazi concern troll or someone with really shitty nihilist philosophy and selectively ignorant of history.
>>1250860
So basically the North and south Americans have a great big genocide fest then kick the ladder behind them so none may follow their path to success.
>>1251169
Nope. Misrepresentation. Off topic.
This article is about allies killing SS prisoners. Its not about the allies. Its about the germans and the people who killed them.. and the truth.
>>1251173
It should be mentioned that the murders and deportations also took place in former axis countries (Romania, Hungary). At least there it had nothing to do with vengeance but just regular commie thievery and cruelty. Then there's also Yugoslavia, where large parts of several ethnic groups supported pro-axis regimes. After the war, Tito choose to proclaim brotherhood between the peoples of Yugoslavia, except Germans who were singled out as scapegoats for Nazism and were murdered, put into camps and expelled.
>>1251048
But the thread isn't about civilians. it is the SS concentration camp guards who were shot. And how often this occurred. Some of us think it was justified. I don't believe the members of the SS concentration camp guard should've been left alive. I believe the US soldiers were right in their actions of shooting them, even if it was out of blind rage.
>>1249826
>Russians did worse. See movie "a woman in berlin".
literally propaganda trying so hard to push the 'victims of the times' perspective.
Soviets raped 100k women? Well shit, might want to tell the 10 million Soviets that were raped (of which about a million children were born).
>>1249826
>>1249826
>>1250743
You're worse than a goddamn /pol/ack because at least they spew that shit with some sense of irony as part of a board culture. You on the other hand are genuinely this fucking retarded.
I used to think /v/ and /mu/ were the worst blue boards. /leftypol/ never ceases to surprise me though.
No the soldiers actually informed their officers that high command didn't want them to lynch the guys, but they followed orders any way.
Also fuck the haters, keeping 10x pows as your enemy every war is deliciously embarrassing for them, it justifies itself (so long as you have the food to do it)
>>1251055
Other losses is a shit book.
>>1250822
>muh good guy army
there's no such thing
>>1250158
Immediately dropped due to the juvenile usage of buzzwords and shitty rhetorics. Shame, because the actual information is good, it's just painful to read.
>>1250884
>When your national policy is violent and you hang with thugs, do not come crying when people think you are a violent thug too.
Tell that to the BLM-movement, anon.
>>1252117
The title really speaks to the guy's complete inability as a historian. He took the "Other Losses" column to mean purely "deaths" and not "transfers between regions"
>muh holohoax
all made by eternal pollack to kill around 100 million Germans and then they've invented muh bazzilion jews out of thin air to blame Germans that didn't do anything wrong
>>1249826
kys
>>1249826
>thinking holocaust denial is acceptable on /his/
We definitively established that it happened like 5 months ago, newfag. Leave and never return.
https://archive.is/TZ1Sz
https://desustorage.org/his/thread/509405/#509405
>>1250064
Best post.
>>1250643
Personally if you walked into Bergen-Belsen and you saw stacks of dead bodies whether they be gassed or typhoid victems you would be disgusted and remember it forever.
But the Wikipedia page even says that this was not a death camp despite corpses everywhere at the end of the war.
I think the storm fags have a point.
Its also an obvious fact of history that the allies got a free pass for war crimes while Germany got put on trial. Obvious propaganda a value to have war crime trials if you plan on de-Nazifying Germany. The whole thing makes sense.
>>1250777
The clean Wehrmacht is a myth and the 'criminal organization' that is the SS is also a propaganda myth.
The SS rounded up partisans and people hated them for it but partisans are criminal organizations themselves.
However, calling the incredibly popular nationalist movement in the country you just conquered criminals and genociders has tremendous propaganda value if you want to de-militariaze the recently conquered.
