What's this whole deal with Danzig?
If Poland conceded to the Danzig corridor, would WWII have been averted?
>>1244521
>If Poland conceded to the Danzig corridor, would WWII have been averted?
No.
>>1244521
The fuck is Memel?
>>1244555
t. Memel
>>1244521
I'd say yes.
>>1244521
No, Hitler even tried to make an alliance with Poland before 1939 to attack Russia together.
>>1244521
>polan we want free passage to danzig
>lol no
>lel k well we're doin it anyway
yeah... nah
>>1244521
>If Czechoslovakia ceded Sudets would WWII have been averted?
>>1244521
>if uk&france conceded the rheinland, would wwii have been averted?
>if uk&france conceded austria, would wwii have been averted?
>if uk&france conceded czechoslovakia, would wwi have been averted?
If the allies conceded to killing all the jews would WW2 been adverted?
>>1244555
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaipėda_Region
>>1244521
No.
If Poles bend, they would end like Bohemia.
At best they would be forced to cede rest of Corridor and part of Silesia plus Posen which would kill any chance to stand on their own legs and make them fully dependable on German Industry.
Then they would be used as cannon fodder on the East front.
For some promises on gain on the East9and we know how good Germans are at keeping promises).
Poles would end on the losing side if Germany lose and even if they win they will become protectorate exploited by Germans with no chance to rise again.
>>1244555
Das Memeland is where Memes come from.
>>1245174
>give Poland all of Ukraine and Belarus in exchange for the entire corridor
>Poland now hueg, has all dat top tier soil and access to Azov
>Germany and Prussia connected again, now with a nice Polish buffer to keep Ivan away
Why couldn't Germans just be chill?
>>1244521
Its more likely than you think. High ranking NAZIs almost uniformly admired the autocratic right-wing Polish government and multiple times offered alliance in return for just the corridor and a war with Russia in which Germany gets the Baltics and Poland got its prized Federalization with Belarus and Ukraine.
In that situation, with France being stalwart in its defensive treaties with Poland, good relations between Germany and a Slav Federation would be good if and when the Powers returned the colonies to Germany.
>>1246373
Because being the best at everything for 50 years makes you think you deserve better than an East European tin can nationality.
>>1244521
If you didn't notice, continuous concessions is what started WW2 in the first place.
Germany should've gotten an ultimatum from the Allies the moment they openly said they were going to invade Czechoslovakia.
>>1246373
That's basically what they had worked out with Pilsudski, but Beck took over and he was just a real asshole and refused to negotiate. Hitler just said "fuck it, they haven't stopped me before now" and invaded.
>>1246468
What really irks me is that Beck was the best diplomat left in Germany when the nepotism and internal politics had turned the department into the worst in the civilized world, and he fucked up bad on this one.
>>1246408
Well, except for Hitler's crusade except Slavdom.
>>1244555
it's pronounced "meme-lul" not memel
>>1244659
'conceded Austria' he says
I don't care if you think hitler wanted to gas all non whites and establish a global reich, but he did invite poland out of 5 countries originally to sign the anti-commitern pact
>>1246695
Someone's bought the comic book villain Hitler headlines. Despite his demeanor, before 1939 Hitler did act on advice of informed opinion and didn't use his book of rants as policy. That came after already realizing the means to fulfill them.
Hur-dur, history should be read backwards.
>>1246408
His question was could war be averted not if Poland could switch sides
>>1246918
"World War II" being as such is dependent on France and GB's involvement. France pussing out in any event less than Germany's invasion of Poland is historical fact. Without Poland, France did not have the strength to dare confront Germany and would not have done so without GB at any rate, and GB would have likely ended up funding Germany and Poland in a theoretical war against the Soviet Union.
Read a book nigger.
>>1244613
they had acess to Danzig familia.
From the Eastern Prussia. What you wanted to say
>ey yo Polan gib us corridor
>nope
>k, mane no hard feelings
>"Breaking news: Polan super invaded because they said no to corridor"
>if Germany got all of its land taken off them because of versailles treaty
*fxd
And no, the soviets were going to start a war anyway
>>1246408
Hitler didn't want the colonies back. He tried to use them as a bargaining chip to get an alliance with Britain. Then when Britain and France actually offered to start talks to return the colonies Ribbentrop had to awkwardly refuse after asking for them for months.
>>1244596
>alliance
He was pretty much asking if it wanted to become a substate.
>>1247017
I hear this in context for multiple states antebellum ww2, what the fuck does it even mean? It sounds like some napoleon tier ego to excuse not allying with anyone
>>1247011
Yeah, that exact instance would support your claim except the decision was due to the fallout of negotiations with Poland in 1937, after the death of Pulanski and the diplomatic nightmare that ensued.
A lot of things happen between the sentences found in textbooks, you should read something not written by Jews from Harvard or U. of Cal. I suggest Munich: Price of Peace or the first biographies of Daladier and Neville Chamberlain.
>>1247017
Which tends to be the norm of less advanced neighbors of nations with better military traditions,technological capabilities and three times the population.
>>1246911
Care to make a point among those terrible memes? Perhaps you'd like to postulate that conceding Danzig would prevent Hitler from rising to power.
>>1247093
If the border were negotiated between exclusively German and Polish elements, it is unlikely the NAZI party itself would have existed. The reactionary element would have gone to DNVP and developed into a more pliant conservative platform. That's something all but French observers agreed on until WWII.
>>1247117
Makes sense. Defining a timeframe is often helpful when dealing with hypotheticals.
>>1244521
MOTHER
TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO WALK MY CORRIDOR
>>1247055
Yeah, but why would they choose to become Germany's bitch when they though they had France and England backing them?
Nah, not really. Danzig wasn't really that important to Poland, since their only privilige there was protection of Polish-Kashubian minority and a military base on Westerplatte. However, there were also minorities in Germany proper, which did not face outright discrimination (such as in Upper Silesia and Masuria regions). The city of Gdynia was also a major port back in 1939 and it could acommodate small Polish Navy. Truth be told, as retarded was Polish diplomacy after Piłsudski death, it hoped that France will go to defend Poland in case of war, making it short and unimportant.
However, giving in to the German demands could result in them taking Silesia (which was the heart and soul of Polish industry) and very developed Greater Poland region (Poznań and adjacent areas). Perhaps, if that proposal would come from someone with better reputation than Hitler, or before Munich, they would give up Free City of Danzig and we would see a big alliance to defeat Soviet Union. On the other hand, if Polish diplomacy was a bit better, we could see an early war in defence of Czechoslovakia, which would be pretty damn close and end up like the Winter War - with small territorial concessions, but a prestige and diplomatic victory for Poland and Czechoslovakia.
All in all, I think that Hitler was retarded not to just take Danzig after the invasion of Poland and try to peace out with France. That would make for a strong Germany, without making everyone hate him. I could even believe that other countries would agree to deport the Jews, and attack Soviet Union when it was the weakest.
>>1248018
I believe that if nothing else, France would have probably agreed to deport Jews. France's upper classes were anti-Semitic to the core.
>>1246523
>Beck was the best diplomat left in Germany
Beck was Polish.
>>1248573
Oh shit, you're right. I was thinking of a German Beck who did most of his work in Italy.
Now I have someone else to read about, thanks.
>>1248018
The importance of Danzig can not be understated inasmuch as its importance was stated by Polish plenipotentiaries. Sure, in the form of the Free State, it just blocked Germany from a quarter million military aged men and provided a customs united port of medium importance to Baltic trade, but the defensive width aspect and the pointlessness of a Germany divided by less than fifty miles can't be understated. Without Danzig, the corridor ceases to make sense.
>>1247055
No it actually doesn't
>>1246456
Germany had lost every war it fought in, and was consistently shown to be a tin can nationality itself
>>1247162
Because obviously that was the wrong horse to back.
The NAZI led rearmament was a total clusterfuck and both organization and R&D never even compared to Reichswehr standards and still the Wehrmacht steamrolled Poland with 1.5 to 1 numbers. The difference of quality unit per unit were so enormous, that the standard of "impressive" instances of Polish resistance is holding unit to unit for over a week. That's pathetic even by early war, high mobility standards.
>>1248592
Many Poles probably like him for saying "fuck you" to Germany, but he's probably one of the biggest reasons WWII happened. He was a huge entitle cunt and Pilsudski was a lot cooler.
>>1248618
Tin cans don't turn the entire world on its head every time they get uppity. Germany acting as it did is on the official policy of England more than Germany, and Napoleon III before Wilhelm II or Bismarck.
>>1248623
I'm reading "Bitter Peace" because my understanding of diplomacy leading up to WWII is extremely favorable to Germany and while I am Biodeutsche and know more of its history and language than anything else, I value balance above all. Even considering this, Pilsudski is a flawed, admirable character in a pile of divisive assholes who led Poland to its non-inevitable failure. If anything I'm becoming more biased in favor of Germany.
>>1245221
underrated post
>>1246373
>Why couldn't Germans just be chill?
because they believed poles to be an inferior race
>>1248650
Yeah, Germany wasn't the "good guy", but there's no such thing in history. It's a real double-think problem that people will say that there are no good and bad guys in history, and then call Germany or the USSR the bad guy. What I always wonder when people think of WWII as some noble battle for Europe is why Britain declared war on Germany for the partition of Poland, but not Russia.
>>1248661
No, just Prussians. Hitler admired the Poles and speculated on the possibility of blending the races to create a more powerful people.
>>1244521
>What is Drang Nach Osten
>What is Generalplan Ost
>>1248695
Germanification only applied to the most Aryan Poles, anon, not all of them.
>>1246468
>That's basically what they had worked out with Pilsudski
Bollocks.
Hitler did have nice things to say about Pilsudski (whether it was honest or not is another matter).
Pilsudski on the other hand literally wanted to make war on Germany in 1934 and only settled on signing a non-aggression pact with Germany after the French told him it's out of the question.
>>1244521
>If Poland conceded to the Danzig corridor, would WWII have been averted?
Well Czechoslovakia conceded Sudetenland to stop the war...
No. German economy was unsustainable without conquest.
Yes
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Zollinspektorenstreit
>"We will force this war upon the germans whether they like it or not" - Pan-slavist polish imperialist generals at the time
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_antideutscher_Gewalt_von_Polen
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Polnische_Verbrechen_an_Volksdeutschen_zwischen_1918_und_1939
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Polen_als_Aggressor_1918%E2%80%931938
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Polnischer_Imperialismus
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Polenfeldzug#Eskalation_durch_polnische_Grenzprovokationen
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Abstimmungsgebiet_Oberschlesien#Polnischer_Terror
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Polnische_Pa%C3%9Fkrise
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Polnische_Konzentrationslager
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Oder-Nei%C3%9Fe-Linie#Polnische_und_panslawistische_Grenzvorstellungen_vor_dem_Zweiten_Weltkrieg
>>1249238
>.de
hmmmmmm
>>1244521
No, Russia was preparing to invade Western Europe regardless. Conceding Poland for either side wouldn't make a difference. They wanted a war in Europe. Russia received no condemnation for invading the other side of Poland.
>>1249238
>Pan-slavist
>polish
does not compute
psheks fucking hate panslavism
"polish panslavist" is like a nazi jew
>>1249269
Nice meme
>>1249372
Actually many nationalists have liked that idea.
>>1249401
Yeah, Russian nationalists.
>>1244521
Poland needed a port.
>>1246373
because they thought that the peace of versailles was too insulting and because they didnt like the democracy and wanted a strong leader instead
>>1244659
This.
>m-m-maybe if there had been one more round of appeasement everything would have been worked out
no. get a brain, op.
>>1244521
>If Poland conceded to the Danzig corridor, would WWII have been averted?
>implying Hitler would of stopped at Danzig
war was inevitable with the war path Germany was on, the question was what war was going to be caused by
>>1249238
I feel like this is the wehracuck version of proof 9/11 was an inside job
what if Czechoslovkia went against the Allies appeasement plan and ignored the demands to succeed the Sudetenland? they were already mobilized and ready for a defensive war. what would happen, would they get any help? what would France and England do since they defied their orders?
>>1248695
None of what you wrote is true. Prussian kings were compelled to learn Polish until Wilhelm II, who was raised by a liberal father who thought Germany to be for only the German language; and the Kulturkampf (a misnomer in this case) sought to buy out Polish land owners rather than seize their assets, meaning they treated them as equal citizens if undesirable ones.
>>1249218
Because he thought the NAZI's rise to power, like the rest of Europe, to be a sign Germany, diplomatically, was closed for business. He had nothing but good relations with Germany after the establishment of borders.
>>1248620
>Because obviously that was the wrong horse to back
It's obvious to you because you have the power of hindsight, it's not so obvious to the people actually making the decision
>>1250840
Nazi Germany was a paper tiger.
Had France called Hitler's bluff when he remilitarized the Rhineland, or when he annexed Czechoslovakia, there would have been no ww2.
>>1250840
Poles offer join them but Pepiks refuse and surrender.
>>1251459
There was no bluff about the Rhineland, everyone knew Germany would have been helpless do do anything if there was an intervention against them, it's just that the prevailing sentiment in France was still characterised by WW1 war weariness.
>>1244521
Yes.
>>1244659
>conceded austria
>>1252360
>The unforgivable sin of Hitler's Germany was to develop a new economic system by which the international bankers were deprived of their profits.
Sort of true, except that system was literally to take on shitloads of debt, spend it all on the military then not pay it back and declare war on everyone.
>>1252365
You've got to use Jude's resources against them
>>1252365
Reminder that Germany forced the Greeks to give them half a billion Reichsmarks' worth of loans during the occupation and never paid them back.
I don't really get those who think the Poles should have trusted the promises of the Germans, for all I know the Germans have done nothing else than shown their promises were worth less than the ink and paper they used to write it with.
Am I missing something?
>>1252382
Reminder that Greece has gone into default for half of its history, and reparation money would have changed nothing in averting their recent crisis.
>>1252461
Bollocks. The Greeks only defaulted once in the 20th century. They did it in 1932 and so did Germany. As I mentioned the Germans also bailed on their debts when WW2 started and again in 1948 via the currency reform and Marshall plan.
The Greeks have defaulted quite a few times in the 19th century but so did most of Europe including the individual German states.
>>1252578
>As I mentioned the Germans also bailed on their debts when WW2 started and again in 1948 via the currency reform and Marshall plan.
The elaborate on that, this was a white hot issue between 1948 and 1953 when the London Agreement postponed the settlement of post-1933 German debt to most countries (including Greece) until German unification.
Then after German unification the Germans refused to consider it.
It's not a question of reparations but of Germany bailing on their debts.
>>1252593
Also the Greeks had to go into debt themselves to give the Germans their money during WW2 and they've actually paid THAT back.
>>1251412
No, it was common knowledge to all of Europe how pitiful the French military was for the entire 15 years immediately before the war. Czechs knew any resistance was pointless after their fortifications were annexed because literally no stock could be put into French capabilities, against Germany or any European power. Even Belgium and Italy stood 30/70 chances against them.
>>1246373
>give Poland all of Ukraine and Belarus in exchange for the entire corridor
Except this would have never happened, as Hitler also wanted all of Ukraine and Belarus in addition to all of Poland.
>>1247117
>If the border were negotiated between exclusively German and Polish elements
GERMANY: "Give me everything."
POLAND: "No, how about this and that instead?"
GERMANY: "Or how about... give me everything?"
POLAND: "Wait... WTF?"
GERMANY: "Blitzkrieg time!"
>>1244521
Here's the peace deal offered to Poland.
France and Britain offered Poland Guarantees of independence after this and Poland then refused to negotiate.
Britain wasn't really trying to tell Germany to leave Poland alone or tell Poland not to negotiate but it happened. Supposedely Hitler sent a message to Britian that ended up sitting on somebodys desk in London by accident and Hitler then assumed that British government ignored it rather than they had not actually received it.
The Polish government had been friendly with Germany for most of the 30s and Hitlerpersonally had praised them but leadership changed and the government of 1939 was not friendly with Hitler.
In Mein kampf Hitler says that his Eastern Policy is to emulate the Teutonic Order, who historically conquered and claimed Prussia and Danzig.
It could be argued that Hitler's eastern Liebensraum was limited to this corrider and the Sudenland.
Hitler doesn't really mention Poland as a target for destruction at all in Mein Kampf and only notes it as a French military march between Russia and Germany which would make a German-Russian alliance strategically useless for defending Germany from France.
I think it is very very likely that had Poland played ball with Germany an anti-communist block would have formed with Poland, Italy, Germany, Finland and others in eastern Europe.
Hitler DOES state in Mein Kampf that Russia has a very large amount of land relative to its population and that Germany does need more farmland if it wants to feed its people on its own.
It is therefore my theory that Hitler absolutely wanted Danzig or war but wasn't offended by the Polish state the way Prussian/Russia were for most of history ( t. Czar Alexander of Russia for example).
Poland was only trouble to Germany in that it was allied with France.
Hitler was not in anyway hostile to Great Britian or France but was wary of France.
All of this mostly stems from Mein Kampf,aka 10 years before WWII.
>>1248396
France was the most anti-Semitic country and probably currently is.
>>1254451
>It could be argued that Hitler's eastern Liebensraum was limited to this corrider and the Sudenland.
It could not be. All other points are largely correct.
Politically, lebensraum meant emptying the existing area of Germany of at least 1/3 of its inhabitants to ensure healthy societal values. You cannot fit an additional 30 million people into areas with no major cities (excepting Danzig).
>>1246373
Because Poland was being belligerently uncooperative due to their enormous ego-boost from the allies guarantee. Hitler postponed the invasion 3 times in order to keep trying negotiation until his generals started throwing junker hissy fits because they had not played war in a few decades and he finally gave the order.
>>1250821
>>1249241
To be fair, Poland was going through the same nationalistic phase just about every country was at the time. the annexation of Slovak lands and push to remove non-polish cultural elements wasn't that different from contemporary Germany's actions.
>>1244596
Trying to make them his vassal is the same as being offered an alliance?
>>1244521
The city's name is Gdansk,it was even founded and originally built by Poles for God's sake.
>>1247055
Better military traditions?Friend,the Germans have formed their first country at the very end of the 19th century and before that,the Holy Roman Empire and it's regional lackey,the Teutonic Order have never succeeded in conquering Poland,in any of her forms,for that matter.
Germans knew very well that the Poles are going to refuse such demands,they've only needed their formal refusal in order to get the proper justification for their impending invasion.
>>1249238
>Uses Metapedia as a source,even though Metapedia articles have absolutely no traceable sources in it's sections whatsoever.
>>1250840
They would've held the line,considering all the heavy fortifications on their northern borders.
>>1252349
On top of that, France WOULD have been in the wrong to start a war in 1936.
Sure, with the benefit of hind sight, we could see that that was the first step of a grand campaign of rearmament, global war, and suicide.
But if the French had started a war in 1936 over a few poorly equipped divisions moving into German Territory,and then had to deal with the fallout of that afterwards, it would have gone down as a bad idea like the Rhineland Occupation, except 100 times worse.
What's the end goal? Depose Hitler? Then what?
>>1257149
>>1257157
Here comes that one Serb to argue that the Germans actions in ww2 were utterly inexcusable, but the Black Hand murdering an innocent man and his wife were completely justified. Why is it, Voludymyr, that the over 90% German people of Dazing should not have been allowed the right to self-determination in the from of a plebiscite? Because it is rightful clay of the GLORIOUS polish empire?
>>1254451
>It could be argued that Hitler's eastern Liebensraum was limited to this corrider and the Sudenland
No,it can't be,because he was very clear in his desire to conquer all of the Eastern Europe
>Hitler doesn't really mention Poland as a target for destruction at all in Mein Kampf
He does,by stating all Slavs need to be eradicated and replaced by German settlers.
>Hitler DOES state in Mein Kampf that Russia has a very large amount of land relative to its population and that Germany does need more farmland if it wants to feed its people on its own
What he stated was that Russians are a subhuman mockery,people who're incapable of self-governance and that all of their land should is going to waste under Russian rule and that it should be taken and given to the industrious and hard-working German man.
>>1254451
>It could be argued that Hitler's eastern Liebensraum was limited to this corrider and the Sudenland.
Absolutey fucking not. Hitler himself would have been livid at the suggestion. That's less land than Germany had in 1914, and he flat out rejected that as acceptable.
>Today's national Germany, which sees the fullfillment of the national duty in its limited border policy, cannot decieve itself into thinking that that will solve the nation's food-supply problem in any way. Because even the greatest success of this policy of restoring the 1914 borders would onlyh bring back the economic conditions of 1914. In onther words, the problem of feeding our people --completely unresolved then as now -- would inevitably drive us back onto the path of the global econ"omy and international exports."
Hitler's Second Book, 2006, Page 105
Unless you believe, and also believe Hitler believed that the Danzig strip and the Sudetenland would provide enough territory to feed not only Germany, but an ever increasing German population, then that's not compatible at all with the Drive to the east.
>>1257194
No,here comes someone who is in fact, historically literate and isn't willing to suck the cock of a country who's entire historical narrative of Eastern Europe was based on the Drang Nach Osten,a pseudo-ideological movement that designated and justified German expansion towards Slavic lands by all means possible.
Also,comparing the death of 43 million Slavs and the destruction of 84% of all of their material property in Eastern,Central and Southeastern Europe to the death of a single married couple is beyond idiotic,even for a probable American.
-Why is it, Volodymyr, that the over 90% German people of Danzig should not have been allowed the right to self-determination in the from of a plebiscite?
Because their predecessors have illegally settled that city by forcing most of it's original population out of it's vicinity,including the Germans that were loyal to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth,and one more thing,the city's was Polish for more than 800 ,and German for less than 150 years.
>Because it is rightful clay of the GLORIOUS polish empire
Well,the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was one of the most powerful countries in European history and I know it's very difficult for your Germanic mind to comprehend the concept of ownership,but you see,when you illegally appropriate someone else's property,he/she will most likely try to reclaim it because,believe or not,it was actually him/her who had built that city out of nothing,not you.
>>1257194
Dazing was never given to Poland in the first place.
It was officially "Freie Stadt Danzig" separate from both Germany and Poland.
Germans there could elect who they wanted. From June 1933 the Heads of State were NSDAP members.
Yes, Danzig was already ruled by Nazis since 1933.
>>1257320
/thread
>>1257271
>>1257180
>considering all the heavy fortifications on their northern borders
The "heavy fortifications" were nowhere near finished. The original plans for truly heavy forts kept getting downsized and downsized and in the end they were a shadow of their originally planned self - and even then they were not finished, and wouldn't be for several years.
>>1250840
>what if Czechoslovkia went against the Allies appeasement plan and ignored the demands to succeed the Sudetenland? they were already mobilized and ready for a defensive war. what would happen, would they get any help? what would France and England do since they defied their orders?
They would offer some initial resistance at the border forts which would inevitably be bypassed or broken, then fall back eastwards and keep falling back. That was their plan. With one caveat - it absolutely relied on military assistance from the French. Which they were explicitly told would not be forthcoming. The 'little Entente' members were also hesitant to get involved.
And that is without taking into account what would Poland do, which in real life took the opportunity at the time to take a tiny chunk of Silesia.
So no happy ending for Czechoslovakia. And literally no way to tell what effect it would have had on further development of the war. Would there be one? Would it take a year longer for Germany to attack Poland? What would the effect on the Soviet Union be? What about the western allies, would they recognize the threat of Germany earlier? Literally no way to tell.
>>1257271
krauts BTFO
>>1244555
MEME LAND BRUH MEME LAND
>>1244555
A land that for its entire history has been a square, it is where memes come from. They were once in a confederation with the city-state of Nice, forming the Coalition of Nice-Memel, but relations broke down over time. It is noted for having the most liquor factories in Europe. It is the ancestral homeland of many developers for the Swedish company Paradox Interactive, including Johan Andersson, the pioneer of the "20 DLCs a month" strategy.
>>1257773
Something similar to PC graphics downgrades?
>>1257760
You do realize that this supports his theory,right?Factually speaking,they've spent significantly more time under Polish rule and no amount of German lolly-gagging can change that.
>>1249238
>metapedia
Ebin my friend, simply ebin.
>>1250840
They would have no problem defending against the wehrmacht on their German border, since they had heavy maginot-tier defenses there, but their ex-Austrian border was more or less unprotected.
>>1258251
t. Bobo
>>1257271
OK then mister "historically literate" slavic-supremacist. Please explain to me why Germany's act of "illegally settled that city by forcing most of it's original population out of it's vicinity" is inexcusable yet Poland doing the same thing to the Ukrainians, Czechoslovaks, and Lithuanians is perfectly acceptable? Why is that the people who had no hand in your so called "illegal act" people who were born, you admit, nearly 150 years after it occurred, should be subjected to your Ultra-nationalistic irredentism? You're literally justifying the uprooting and removal of a population of hundreds of thousands of innocents because you have a fetish for the shape of your old borders.
I mention that particular example because you slavs and your culture has the most amazing capacity for double-standards imaginable. Just in two posts, you argue that you refuse to "suck the cock of a country who's entire historical narrative of Eastern Europe was based on the Drang Nach Osten" while literally espousing polish ultra-nationalism.
Complain about "Because their predecessors have illegally settled that city by forcing most of it's original population out of it's vicinity,including the Germans that were loyal to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth," and proceed to argue ex-post facto complicity in the descendants of the act, and then try to rationalize depriving everyone of their rights as perfectly reasonable by LITERALLY evoking irredentism as just cause to violate human rights.
And then argue that Germany's actions in Danzig were the SOLE cause of the "death of 43 million Slavs and the destruction of 84% of all of their material property in Eastern,Central and Southeastern Europe" while your, once again, slavic ultra-nationalist terrorist ONLY resulted in the death of two people.
This board is so unreliably disappointing. Its nothing but anti-/pol/ in all the worst ways, all the same shitty arguments and fallacies, only used to justify the exact opposite viewpoint.
>>1250821
No that's the old "torpedoes can't blow up passenger liners." Because seriously, they usually take hours to sink, allowing time for rescue. Only a massive amount of explosives below deck could cause such a catastrophe.
The fucked up thing is it's in the public record now that the ship was carrying arms. Don't even get me started on telegrams sent through British telegraph lines.
>>1257271
>the city's was Polish for more than 800 ,and German for less than 150 years.
No, the city wasn't Polish from (1466-1793), it was an autonomous city with mostly German inhabitants that nominally belonged to the Polish state.
>>1259159
By the way, the city came under Teutonic rule in 1308 because Poland asked them to conquer the town from Brandenburg but then couldn't pay the knights. Tough luck.
>>1244521
12 base tax and a center of trade.
