What went wrong?
What went right?
>>1237966
The rest of the world.
Nothing there.
It's Russia. Their entire history is "and then it got worse".
Their entire economy was dependent on exporting oil to capitalists. The oil crisis in the 70s made them strong. Then oil got cheap in the 80s and caused them to collapse.
They did well for a bit in the 50s and 60s. When they were trying to prove they were better than the West.
>>1237966
Socialist Revolution in none core industrial society, e.g. US or Germany.
Industrialised rapidly and had decent standard of living.
Why is it that so much state-owned stuff was just abandoned rather than being scrapped? Legal issues with establishing ownership after the fall?
>>1237966
>wrong
Its creation.
>right
Its fall.
>>1238003
This is not how economy in the Eastern Block worked. Like not at all. Also they exported mainly gas, not oil. Oil was exported to Japan but they ran out of it. They traded very little with the East any way.
>>1238047
>with the West
Life was actually preddy good in ussr
Sure you didn't have Pepsi and Spearmint bubble gum and 'fashionable' murcan clothes, but you had actual food, not tainted by any corporate profit boosting chemical. Fish, meat, eggs, milk, bread, you name it. Shit was healthy, bottle of milk had only one ingredient - whole milk.
sex was as easy as any autist (we were all autists in eastern europe) walking down the street to a random qt stranger and taking her to the sauna. simple and sweet.
pussy and food was plentiful
Problems begun in 1988, when Gorbachev granted to his supporters (corrupt Soviet bureaucracy) too much power (via free market reforms) and they abused it immensely. But it wasn't as bad, as what followed. When Gorbachev's attempt at introducing dictatorship to USSR failed, Yeltsin took over and then the real shortages begun.
Something like 95% of the "empty shelves" pictures were actually made not during USSR (practically all of those 5% were made during last years of USSR), but later - when Yeltsin was in charge.
I've even seen pictures from late 90s-early 00s presented as "authentic pictures from USSR".
>what went wrong
Communism. It was doomed from the start because communism doesn't work. Not in year in Lenin had to let the agricultural industry go back to Capitalism, writing it off as the farmers being too stupid to understand communism. In reality, it just doesn't work.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
>>1238636
I have relatives that went to Moscow during the 80s.
They stayed at one of those special hotels for foreigners only. Which were supposed to be nice by western standards, to show that the soviet union wasn't backwards and broke. There was no soap in their room. My great uncle goes to the front desk to tell them. The guy behind the desk brings out a box of used soap bars and tells him to take one.
>>1238636
I don't even know if that post is serious.
>>1237966
Wrong: it happened.
Right: actual Marxism made Russia immune to cultural Marxism which is a far deadlier poison.
>>1238670
never seen a vatnik before?
>>1238669
Oh, are your bourgie relatives too good for used soap?
>>1238669
My auntie went to the USSR during the early 80s.
She said it was alright.
>>1238651
>communism doesn't work
>>1238720
>actual Marxism
>cultural """"""Marxism""""""
>a far deadlier poison.
Jesus Christ, I don't even know where to start with this shit post....
>>1238976
>what they need AND want
Communism only gives you what you need, and is therefore obsolete to capitalism.
>what went right
They industrialized and won the WW2
>what went wrong
Everything else.
>>1238976
Communists are literally incapable of addressing the shortcomings of communism without going full tu quoque about capitalism.
The greatest achievement of communism was its oppression of religion. Albania and the USSR were both inspirational in that regard. It's a tragedy that the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was rebuilt after the fall of the Soviet Union.
>>1239028
>>1238976
Capitalism not being optimal isn't an argument in favor of communism working. It's a fallacy
>>1238044
Delete this
>>1237966
The fall of the USSR is one of the worst things to have happened in the late 20th century.
Don't get me wrong, it was a shithole, I wouldn't want to live there myself, but the world was a better place for the existence of a paper tiger that could act as a secondary superpower.
>>1238651
The USSR was centrally planned state socialism. Communism was the end goal of a stateless society. [i.e. utopian fantasy that was never going to happen.]
Centrally planned state socialism doesn't work outside of wartime. Especially as the demand for consumer goods grows.
It's not that Communism itself doesn't work per-se, it's just that communism cannot actually be implemented period. [And if it can, it can't be done yet but will be a natural evolution, making the point moot.]
