Has anyone here done any in depth research on supposedly non-binary gender systems from the Americas, India, and Southeast Asia? Is it accurate to call them significant deviations from the masculine/feminine societal norms in the west? Hijras for example are from what I can tell regarded as freaks who frequently could only survive as prostitutes, yet I've seen them touted as a third gender being normal in other cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_systems#Non-European_gender_systems
Specifically mentioned are the Berdache, Alyha, Juchitan, Machi, Hijra/Sadhin, Travesti, etc. and most of them seem to be on the fringe.
>>1229254
Hijras are not considered normal in India.
I don't research shit that doesn't interest me.
>>1229320
If it doesn't interest you get out of this thread.
>>1229254
No in depth research on my part, but having lived among Native Americans and read a little bit about how they treated homosexuals, I found out about what many of them called "Two-spirit People." These people were generally gay men, and were often celebrated and considered blessed for having the desire to do both masculine and feminine tasks. I looked into this because I noticed how many homosexuals there were among Native Americans (in this case the Navajo) and how they weren't ostracized for being that way, possibly because they have a non-binary view of such things.
>>1229254
>man
>woman
>some form of bitch-boy
Yes, very complex and fascinating
>>1229333
I have to see people posting about tranny shit on Facebook and Twitter all the time, why shouldn't I inject my opinions into your shit thread?
>>1229411
Mate I ain't the OP. It is fine if you think that this is shit. But there's no reason to hijack the thread because you got triggered. Go back to your safe space.
>>1229409
The history and culture and even biology can be fascinating, South Asia has had a long and complicated history of 3rd gender social elements.
Unforunately many moderm folk have absorbed imported intolerance of these folk + their history.
>>1229254
ITT celebrating brain damage.
>>1229254
Designated Shitter here.
Ask me anything you want on Hijras
> Hijras for example are from what I can tell regarded as freaks who frequently could only survive as prostitutes
Kinda true. They also dance on auspicious locations to bring luck to the family, and beg on public transportation.
Hijras can either be hermaphrodites or transsexuals.
Nothing is lower than a Hijra in Indian society, and that really means something.
Its an interesting topic OP. clearly most societies see these kind of people as degenerate.
This recent trend about digging up historical bits about tranny shit is revisionism of the highest orders. See Elagabalus, tranny advocates bring him up as if Romans were so progressive they had a tranny emperor, completely ignoring that the whole empire hated him and he got murdered by his own guards.
>>1229508
Is it true that they show up to weddings and other social gatherings and essentially try to extort gifts or money with the threat of not going away if they're not paid?
>>1229512
I don't think they're degenerate. I understand the scientific propagation of a species to be an integral part of its existence. Things are born, they acquire data, they pass on data to progeny. If you're not part of this natural progression, you're peripheral to the greater scope and there's some kind of damage going on which would ordinarily make you and evolutionary end. It means they're "ill", but they're still humans to be treated as humans, as retards or autistic people. It's not something to be championed specifically or protected any more than a given kind, bright person might champion people with Down Syndrome.
>>1229539
"Extort" would be a little heavy, I guess you could say that they do try to coerce the families. The blessings and curses of the hijra are thought to have great potency.
Even on public transport they try and embarrass male passengers into coughing up money by rubbing against them or making lewd innuendos. In weddings they also bring a couple of percussionists to play out the beats.
>>1229559
Same is true about faggots.
>>1229537
lol from what I remember the Senate the entire time was like "There's no way we can allow this little faggot to sit in Rome."
>>1229421
No
>>1229559
Regards and autists are also degenerate
>>1229390
Wanna know how I know this is bullshit? I am half navajo and although I grew up on another reservation I know the Navajo Rez is homophobic and transphobic as fuck and many of us run away to Tuscon, Phoenix, L.A. or S.F. because of it.
In the past we were honored but not so much today, the only people who were in any way decent were the extremely old school sheep herding, Hogan living elders who weren't completely broken down by the missionary schools.
Working with other former tribal communities along the pacific rim what you read in the books or videos and what it's actually like are two different things. The disparity varying though, but never the same.
Also we did not call ourselves two spirit until quite recently, it's not common parlance.
>>1229254
Don't ever fucking say berdache.
Juhitan is a town in Oaxaca, you may be referring to Muxe.
Machi is completely different than non-binary gender identity.
Travesti isn't necessarily nonbinary, it actually is case by case since many still identity as men or as women.
>>1229313
>>1229508
They are gaining legal support though, it's getting better again
>>1229559
>>1229565
No not exactly. In societies where polygyny occurs and/or were children are orphaned and/or where children leave their parents after marriage the function of non-reproducing adults becomes apparent.
Given also the spiritual aspects often interwoven in performative gender transgression to say their function isn't also one of reinforcing the gender binary and the social structure of their society is something that most be recognized.
>>1229960
>it's getting better again
No, not really. I mean, Pakistan now has other in addition to male and female on government forms, other than that there's been nothing.
>>1230001
Various south Indian states had given third gender options in forms and ids before the Indian government fully recovered third gender people but even then programs like
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0YO0UL?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Are happening now along with non-sex work non-profit jobs slowly changing the employment and living standard of third gender Indians.
Change has been coming, I was literally at a conference last year with a group of hijra delegates talking about the shift these past few years.
>>1230036
I see, I was unaware of all of that.
>>1229320
You should go around and announce this in every thread with a subject that doesn't interest you.
Maybe get a tripcode too, your opinion matters.
>>1230043
It's cool, it's not like this is the type of stuff most people read daily.
>>1230059
Now that I think of it, I remember reading this:
http://www.idiva.com/opinion-work-life/madhu-kinnar-becomes-first-eunuch-transgender-to-get-elected-as-mayor-in-chattisgarh/34240
>>1229254
>Hijras for example are from what I can tell regarded as freaks who frequently could only survive as prostitutes
So are travestis. Brazilian here.
>look up travesti
>no information, just porn
Fucking Brazilians
>>1230105
Dude go on Google Books but please ignore Travesti the book.
Brazil has a long history of third genders Manicongo was a royal KiKongo was was enslaved and was brought to trial by the inquisition for displaying non-heteronormative behavior.
>>1230122
That's not a long history. Those are two cases.
>>1230437
The oldest recording of gender variance was in the 1700's, it's related to the gender variance that remains in Candomble and Umbanda that still exists in Travesti communities.
>>1230661
What are your sources, and why is this at all significant? This whole thread reads like a tumblr girl who has never left the American East Coast.
>>1230764
The candomble, Santeria and vodoun community has gender transgressive acts, rituals and participants.
Idk what to tell you, it's something quite common in knowledge for anyone who actually looks.
>>1230844
Oh and Francisco Manicongo the oldest known African transvesti is from the late 16th not 17th
>>1230844
>it's something quite common in knowledge for anyone who actually looks.
My question was how it is significant. What are you trying to demonstrate by doing this research? What is your goal? Or are you just pissing into a void?
>>1231435
You said it wasn't a long history but it in fact is given that it's post-Columbian Brazil in the early colonial period.
>>1231479
Your understanding of sexual mores in Brazil has been disputed ITT.
I ask you again: why are you researching non-binary genders?
>>1229254
>South East Asia
Thai bro here.
Everyone knows about our katoey (ladyboys)and dtom (females who live as males and take testosterone).
What they don't know is many grow out it. It's very common between ages 13-45. Not common at all after that.
Katoey, historically, go back at least 300 years. We have records of them serving in the king's court.
They are thought of as being different from "gays." Gay men are seen as normal---you see them in all areas of society and work. Katoey do not have many prominent jobs (although there is a mayor of a small town in the north that is katoey).
No one is frightened of them, but they are the butt of many jokes.
>>1231575
They haven't been disputed at all. Someone thought Hijra weren't improving in governmental support but didn't know the Indian supreme court recognized them last year as a third gender, they then showed one hijra has become mayor.
That's it.
I'm not merely "studying" I work with gender variant communities and I have the opportunity to work with international activists and leaders around the world on panels and conferences regarding our lot.
>>1231595
Kathoey is one of those "tricky" terms that don't fit into western ideas of gender and sexuality being different.
It's performative being related to effeminancy with a culturally coded typical response in the culturally prevailing archetype. Some go on to just wearing "womens" clothing, some go on hormones and may or may not wear such clothing, some stop wearing such clothing and live as gay men. Not all gay men are perceived as kathoey or enter that archetype because not all are effeminate.
Thailand is still a sexist society, they don't have legal support in gender affirming markers in documentation or bathroom usage but I think that's also related to particular beliefs surrounding why they are the way they are + the sexist notion of someone deemed man "lowering" themselves to that of women.
>>1231883
>Not all gay men are perceived as kathoey
Literally none of them are. You don't really know what you are talking about.
>Thailand is still a sexist society
Gay marriages happen here all the time, you idiot. They are on the evening news, and in the newspapers. They aren't legally binding, but NO ONE CARES because they have all the rights any other couple has (hospital privileges, etc). It an absolute non-issue.
>I think that's also related to particular beliefs surrounding why they are the way they are
That's Thai Buddhism. I'm friends and neighbors with a number of katoey. They are Buddhist. They personally believe that their past negative karmic actions caused them to be born in the wrong body. They go to temple, just like everyone else.
You outsider academics love to throw around words like "sexist" and "racist," when in reality it's just your own bias.
>>1232251
Does this ladyboy actually thinks caking up the makeup like this is attractive?
>>1232251
I'm not an academic, I work with transgender people around the world to further the rights of trans people including Thai laws that inhibit trans women from using female bathrooms and changing gender markers or even after srs being required to go into all male prisons not even mentioning employment discrimination which are actually an issue with Thai trans activists, leaders and people speak about.
It's sexist and trans phobic and trans Thai women care about it.
>>1232267
That's a girl. I just wanted to b8 OP.
>>1229254
>Has anyone here done any in depth research on supposedly non-binary gender systems from the Americas, India, and Southeast Asia? Is it accurate to call them significant deviations from the masculine/feminine societal norms in the west?
This is true but many people forget to speak on the fact that each organization of pronouns in cultures base their separation on different elements. It really isn't compatible to the west as the west has its own understanding of it.
>>1232286
Traps are boys who dress like women but still see themselves as boys without the religious and cultural context of Thai Buddhism, third genderism nor Transexuality.
>>1232274
The bathroom issue has been on the news lately, here. But once again, it's a non-issue in most places. At my work (a large university in BKK) katoey only use the girls bathroom. It's a non issue. You'd know that if you had any clue what was going on here.
Dtoms don't use the boys room, though, and they wouldn't fucking want to if given the option.
Of all the places on earth to call transphobic, you picked the wrong country. Holy shit, your ignorance is unbelievable. We're one of the few places in the world that doesn't give a shit.
Anyone whining about it is just bitching.
>employment discrimination
Yeah. Employment here is 100% based on who you know and what you look like. Just like everywhere else that isn't a call-center or factory job. Look at pic related, that lady is not getting a fucking job as a receptionist. That's just the way reality works, in all countries.
>>1232310
How many trans women are outside of your university?
stop ignoring the discrimination and transphobia trans women in Thailand face, your idea that all is well is false.
You are not trans.
https://youtu.be/171phOukKAM
https://youtu.be/A0Uytyegx6w
>>1232343
>judging my character
>judging my culture
>not facing the facts from a local
wew
>>1232351
I listen to the people actually affected by transphobia in Thai society rather than rely on some dude who claims to be thai on an anonymous image board who has no clue what it's like to be transgender anywhere.
Transgender local thais trump you.
>>1231883
See! It's this shit here!
Thailand has a vibrant tranny culture where they're neither persecuted by weirdos or praised as heroes deserving the Congressional Medal of Honor by sjws. Westeners and specifically Americans are so goddamn butthurt about everything like bathrooms and all that, so annoying on both sides. I guess it's autism that comes from being mostly of German descent or something.
>>1229960
Kill yourself tranny fuck
>>1229254
Is your image suppose to be an example of a non-binary gendered person? Because that's quite clearly a mix of the two sides of the spectrum and can't really be considered non-binary. Something non-binary would need to completely rid themselves of any form of cultural masculinity/femininity, and that just doesn't happen.
>>1232274
> I work with transgender people around the world to further the rights of trans people including
>>1232385
That's not how non-binary identity "works"
>>1232351
Bro, I'm a South American from a place ruined by commies and you have no idea how many times busybody do-gooder, ideologically blinded American SJWs try to tell me bullshit about my country. They refuse to be wrong too because their sacred ideology of being butthurt about everything doesn't allow for rational discussion. They're the most racist people I've ever met, their entire worldview is based on rigid stereotypes that cannot be challenged.
>>1232391
Hope they all get nail bombed
>>1232398
Nope. I get paid to travel to different cities and countries doing what I love, supporting people like me gain the right to be treated as equals.
Can't bet that.
>>1232274
>I work with transgender people around the world to further the rights of trans people
Nice, how did you get started?
Isn't the fact that these societies place religious value on these people more evidence for the nurture argument as opposed to the nature argument?
>>1232409
You aren't people
>>1232417
>>1232399
So in gender-theory for something to be outside of the spectrum it needs to be made up of both sides of the spectrum? If anything "non-binary" individuals are more binary-gendered than "binary" individuals.
>>1232368
I'm Thai. I'm gay. I'm a male.
And you are a person that thinks a sensationalist youtube video of 6 people complaining is more real than real life.
Get your feet on the ground here and you'll quickly see the truth.
pic related. It's the national women's soccer team. Everyone loves them, no one cares that they dress up like men.
>>1232415
Advocacy work for Native American trans people, public speaking skills, support of older trans leaders and a good college education after a lot of discrimination/marginalization as a trans youth.
>>1232432
Gay men aren't transwomen and are treated differently as you already stated here >>1231595 you said gay men are seen as normal and trans are not and made the butt of jokes. Gay men have all sorts of integration and transwomen don't.
You admitted it.
>>1232427
You still don't get it, I suggest if you're really interested in understanding to google it.
>>1232404
Right? I'm trying to point out to this SJW anon there is literally no problem here, but they REALLY want the persecution to be real.
And that youtube vid they posted is hilarious. It's simply a few individuals trying to get attention, not a national phobia. Holy fuck.
A just went to 7-11, and a ladyboy sold me my snacks. Another one I know carries an alms bowl for the monks in the morning. NO ONE CARES. But this fucking SJW can't believe it!
>>1232462
Nigger they are not normal, and """"""""""""""""""""""""people"""""""""""""""""""""" like yourself deserve to be made fun of
The only place you should be integrated is within a hold in the ground
>>1232467
Someone's triggered
>>1232448
The point of that post is that no one cares what you wear, and that these women (who live as men) are in the national spotlight.
You seem totally incapable of understanding that. I don't get it. Why am I even trying to convince you....
Enjoy the crusade, idiot.
>>1232494
TRIGGERED
>>1232494
Except they clearly do given a simple google each can lead to dozens of videos and articles by trans women in Thailand discussing the very discrimination you stated earlier that gay men like yourself do not experience.
>>1232498
That's enough sitting faggot
Nobody cares about your meme crusade to get the mentally ill labeled "normal" in shitty 3rd world countries
>>1232501
Yet they do not have the same opportunities gay men have like you said. they clearly are not loved if they talk about rampant discrimination on a number of platforms on and off line.
>>1232501
Clearly the differences stated by you and by Thai trans women agree on their mistreatment and disrespect.
You're wrong that's okay, listen to Thai trans people.
>>1232513
Why bother
You know what i find retarded?
That sjw sociologists are trying to warp and hammer stuff into their western parlace. No, in 99% of cases they are not special snowflake non-binary exoti-sexual forms, they are regular cross-dressers, either for regular/ritualistic/because there is no man/woman around to fulfill a certain role. Also flamboyant gay people. Simple and concise. No "muh snowflake gender"
>>1229254
They're all fags.
>>1232579
As a someone who is Native American and coming from a culture that traditional included third gender people the "hammering" of western gender ideologies is merely one aspect of an overall westernization of the world.
It cant necessarily be stopped at this point, there is no going back but what unifies gender variant populations is our current positions in our respective socieites thanks to Western ideas that have shifted our cultural understandings and discourse no matter how diverse they all once were.
That is the basis that I have to work with other groups. Mahu, Muxe, Kathoey, Náadleh, Xanith, etc... Are diverse and not there for the reasons you said, we don't fit in western paradigms or reasonings correctly but we are put there because that's the world we live in now.
>>1229254
back to tumblr faggot
>>1232274
Bathrooms are divided by equipment not by feelings.
Get your junk mutilated then we can talk.
>>1232706
Bathrooms are meant for the removal of bodily wastes and no one questions what my genitals are when I use the toilet.
>>1232711
No one has to question anything. If you have a punishment you use the men's restroom, if you are in possession you use the women's.
There is no questioning going on.
It certainly does not change the fact that bathrooms are an equipment issue not a feelings one. That's why women's restrooms don't have urinals.
>>1232462
Trans people are not normal, and should not be seen as such.
>>1232728
There are single occupancy bathrooms that are designated men's and women's yet both only have a toilet.
It's doesn't matter what is inside the bathroom anyways, it's not as though men have to pee standing up in most cases or women can't pee standing up if they so choose with the right technique or aid.
>>1232736
Glad to see we're being normalized now though :3
>>1232748
>Glad to see we're being normalized now though :3
The internet is not representative of real life
You aren't even close to being normalized
>>1232748
So. When they are separated the are separated for equipment reason not feelings.
How is me saying trans people not normal normalizing you. You guys have a mental illness that is treated in the most silly invasive way. On top of that you want us to partake in your delusions.
>>1232782
Yep
Just the internet you delusional freak
Just a reminder you will always be an ugly man
>>1232782
Men and women don't want to evacuate our bodies together. That is natural. Gender is natural. Sex and gender are only 'different' when dealing with mentally unstable people i.e. you. Otherwise it works just fine. Men and women naturally segregate from one another at times. This is due to sexual dimorphism.
>>1229254
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun
Transgenders in Islam, m8.
In the current era, scholars in Iran[5] and Egypt[6] have issued fatwas supporting the right for those who fit the description of mukhannathun to have sex reassignment surgery. In Pakistan, the transgender community there live as hijras, and are officially recognized as a third-gender being neither male nor female.[7]
>>1232804
thanks, will do!
>>1232804
I can say it's natural BECAUSE we don't live in and have not known them to exist
>>1232813
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Especially with something so mundane as removing human waste how can you say there have always been gender separate squatting grounds.
>>1232828
Dude stop being obstinate. The simple fact that we are sexually dimorphic is enough. The male and female brains are organized differently. The iq distribution is also telling.
You are just a denialist enslaved by you ideology
>>1232837
I wasn't even going to bring up brains because I disagree with the categorization of male and female brains but male to female transsexuals have brains that more align with women than men.
I'm not enslaved, of anything your the one surrounded by the cage of "this is all I know". I'm expanding beyond that.
>>1232848
That's actually not true about brains.
They are a mess that is niether. I have seen the single study this is just more of you wishful thinking. Even if it were true being more in line does not make you a woman.
You expand into false hood and delusion.
That's fine though it's your prerogative, but I don't have to follow or play along.
>>1232893
If they are a mess as neither why did you state they were organized differently?
>The simple fact that we are sexually dimorphic is enough. The male and female brains are organized differently.
Idk seems to me you change the goalpost constantly.
>>1232920
Tranny brains are a mess as in fucked up.
According to the study they don't fit into either category well. I am not even sure if I can trust this study I am not certain as to whether the tested brains had gone through hormone treatment.
I am not moving any goalposts you are just kinda dumb.
>>1232949
Idk anon seems to me you're changing things and clearly love our exchanges for someone supposedly so disgusted by transness.
Seeing that the brains of mtfs is intermediate and aligns with theunderstanding of gendered brains seems to me this further validates the reality of transness (using your criteria of course since I find gendered brains sizes silly).
( -3-)
>>1232964
No I am not changing anything. I am using multiple avenues of attack.
I did not say they were intermediate I said the conformed to neither.
I know trans people exist that's not the issue. How could it be?
I am arguing that it is a delusion brought on by mental illness. And are very abnormal.
And as I have said that study is suspect there are not enough details about it.
Gendered brains exist whether you like it or not.
MRI'S and cat scans confirm it.
>>1232974
Mental illness? Delusion?
No, a self knowing.
Being half way between male and female is intermediate anon.
Seems interesting if you follow that sort of narrow paradigm, two studies so far both pre and post HRT mentioned here
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
>>1232995
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.
>>1232995
You are not half way between. It is niether Stop characterizing like that, it's misleading.
The truth is narrow sometimes, but that does not make it less true.
The studies are ones I have seen like I said the methodology is slightly dubious, but that changes nothing that I have said.
As I have said before you say it's self knowing all you like do what you like but do not expect me or anyone else to follow you down that rabbit hole or accept anything you do to your body.
>>1233004
Eh. DSM changed that.
>>1233008
Government and businesses are doing so increasingly.
Really I don't care what you say or what you yourself will do. Beautiful thing about all this is that any backlash that causes a trans person being hurt or mistreated because they are trans will only help the cause and further stigmatize those who oppose trans people.
Even Trump in his boisterous language won't even mess with us.
>>1233013
No it didn't.
>>1233013
Even if you are a freak you should not be discriminated against.
What I am talking about is personal acceptance of the lifestyle and playing along with you. I have never mentioned any governmental action that's your obsession.
If something did happening don't think you will get the support you hope for.
Gender dyspgoria is a mental illness regardless what they say they only removed it for political bullshit. If further studies confirm that it is genetic then it will be a genetic disorder. Which makes still outside the norm. You are not normal.
>>1233028
No it's a disorder, there is a difference
>>1233031
No I have gotten much support in public when things have occurred as I mentioned before and every instance of recorded assault and known death brings more people to understand the situation.
Being statistical outlier and being "normal" are two different things.
your obsession seems to be telling me you don't have to support but I'm telling your personal support is not necessary.
>>1233065
My obsession is for you to accept that you are a defect and not special and abnormal. I am mostly talking about people consodering you female. You are Not simply a staticall outlier. Gay people are an outlier as the make up 6-10% of the human population. Trannies , however are much lower >1% or so.
>>1233088
Welp honey you're wasting your time, every day I am validated by others who do and do not who my trans status.
I'm very lucky to be born in this form in this time, I'm very blessed by Spirit to come into a family that still recognizes and cherishes gender variant peoples. I'm not the only one in my family or community, there is atleast a dozen of us on the reservation in some form or another alone.
Your pathologizing doesn't really hamper my ability to see my statistically outlier position as something positive and beautiful but then again I don't quantify or interpret things the same way you do because I'm not limited by a singular worldview.
Anyways it's almost 7am here just about and I'm getting ready for sleep. Have a good day or evening though!
>>1231883
>I'm not merely "studying" I work with gender variant communities and I have the opportunity to work with international activists and leaders around the world on panels and conferences regarding our lot.
>>1232409
Do you work for George Soros?
>>1233121
>every day I am validated by others who do and do not who my trans status.
Where? Online? At your job as an activist, where people who told you you're odd would lose their jobs for doing so? By hour friends who probably support you so that you don't kill yourself like so many trannies do?
You want to be normal? Stop telling everyone around you what is and isn't normal.
>>1231883
>I'm not merely "studying" I work with gender variant communities and I have the opportunity to work with international activists and leaders around the world on panels and conferences regarding our lot.
So you're an SJW
>>1231883
International activism is literally the cancer destroying Western civilization. Congratulations on continuing the proud imperial tradition begun by Protestant missionaries to India and the Far East.
>>1232432
Boothduang is a cute
>>1232791
>appeal to nature
fallacies 101
why are people so retarded?
>>1235690
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
Are you doing this? Or am I just assuming you are?
>>1229537
Holy fuck its literally boipucci the emperor. How the fuck he got in power?
What if all his boipucci pounding was an invention from his enemies? Its not like its the first time to happen
>>1232251
based gook/nip/chink/frenchman blowing the fuck outa trannies
>>1229254
>>1229254
This sort of thing is not considered normal in virtually nowhere on the earth. This - idiocy - of "non-binary gender" is a Western fabrication, and very new.
Some - like Iran - treat the issue of transexualism as a public health problem.
Most, as aberrations and mentally unbalanced, useless for social functions, except prostitution.
But a "third gender"? That's just stupid.
>>1236141
They were valuated because they couldn't reproduce and thus installing a new dinasty. Plus the loss of respect than they had outside the palace, being less than man was big business.
>>1233031
Gender dysphoria and being transgender are not the same thing, and if you think they are you don't know enough about the issue to be discussing it.
>>1235671
Ewww
>>1237496
Shut up faggot
>>1236228
>useless for social functions, except prostitution
We have a transgender... person working in our office. Eccentricity aside he/she is respectful of everyone and does good work.
You could say he/she spends his/her money on frivolous things, but then again so do most people.
Just because certain forms of discrimination are accepted everywhere doesn't mean they should continue to be accepted everywhere. I don't think they deserve taxpayer money for their surgeries, which are still very rudimentary. Nor do I think they should fuck heterosexual people on the pretense that they are the gender they "changed" to (that's incredibly misleading, they should strive to be honest).
But I've got no problem with trans people. Maybe I've just met some really reasonable and hard working ones with no drug problems.
>>1237991
>discrimination
For fuck's sake, let's stop throwing this word around. People are allowed to dislik certain forms of behavior and employers are not obligated to employ everyone who shows up at their door with a résumé.
>>1237991
>>1238029
Plus they're about .3% of the population and the suicide rate is very high among then, even after they receive recommended treatment or surgery or whatever. You hardly have a decent sample size. None of us do. All we can do is look at statistics. It's madness to take these people's tesimony about their mental condition at face value.
>>1229960
Shut the fuck up about your half indian bullshit as though it gives you any authority on subjects pertaining to indigenius američané.
Also nobody fucking cares if you think yourself special for being some sort of highschool sexual deviant.
Youre not cool.
>>1237991
As I pointed, attitudes vary from place to place. Personally, I tend to believe that the Iranian posture is the most consistent in this regard. There are people who have gender identity disorders, and medical assistance and surgery is more than recommended.
In my good old country, some of the most renowned physicians believe that surgery should never be recommended; it would "feed illusions".
Well, feeding illusions or not, each individual is his own master.
Still, it is a mental disorder, and can not be other means of addressing.
At last, I repeat: There is no third gender.
>>1238029
But discrimination is literally the correct word for refusing to hire someone based on a characteristic.
Many workplaces discriminate against crackheads, retards, and the clinically insane.
>>1229458
You (and prob asians) watched too many wierd 18+ animes brah.
