Does anyone else notice a grate shift in ideology about to happen? As alt-right becomes more socially acceptable as a reaction to sjw culture, 4chan slowly becomes more left and reddit slowly becomes more right. The braking point will be when Donald Trump wins this years election.
Hegel was right again.
>>1226400
>4chan slowly becomes more left
Kek, this place will never have an alignment. There will always be people on both sides flinging shit at each other for the sole sake of shit flinging.
>>1226400
I do not follow you, why would 4chan become more leftist?
>Hegel was right again.
Explain please.
Fuck both the left and the right.
Fascism is the ideology of the future.
>>1226421
Because 4chan is counter culture and will start rebelling against the new norm
>>1226400
None of what you said makes any sense. I don't like to throw insults around, but damn...
>>1226441
Alright understood.
>>1226433
I think he's talking about the dialektik but OP is not using it right.
>>1226441
God I hope so. /pol/ has become more insufferable than sjws. That being said if 4chan goes full sjw I'll probably be missing /pol/.
I just realized that 4chan sucks no matter what ideology is more trendy at the time. Fuck this place.
>4chan
LOL
>>1226462
>/pol/ has become more insufferable than sjws.
So what, are you just going to bend over and let the Commies win because /pol/ is trying too hard to let you know that socialism doesn't work?
>>1226441
Tough to say, since at this point /pol/ and friends have a lot of momentum behind their ideological framework. That won't just reverse polarity overnight because Donald Trump Makes America Great Again. There was never a time when 4chan was leftist and egalitarian that /pol/ reacted to. That was the rest of the internet.
When it came to politics in fact 4chan has largely been ambivalent for most of its early history. Only recently have /pol/ memes become a wave maker in politics which I still find bizarre and hilarious.
>>1226400
>it's a "4chan will cuck itself into leftism" episode
:>) :>) :>)
>>1226400
>4chan slowly becomes more left
The fuck? It has turned more and more alt right since I came here in 2007. It wasn't alt right at all originally, just very liberal in the classical sense of the word
>>1226400
>Hegel was right again.
That's a pretty bold statement.
>>1226512
It's true, though.
>>1226453
I meant to say wrong
>>1226476
To summarize for you, the Fascists were the most spiritually weak, cowardly and feeble cowards. They could not devour, approach with their chests held high, the enigma of Communism. They instead projected from their rotten black hearts the most vile claims upon Communism - they filled the void of this awe-aspiring power with the same darkness that they, by default, think can only ever be constitutive of power.
In other words, the nazis were CYNICS - there was no way to ground the MOTIVATIONS of the Bolsheviks in something that could conform to their own ideological coordinates - they HAD to be Jewish conspirators because if it were anything otherwise, they must own up to the might of historical self-consciousness. They did it to JUSTIFY THEMSELVES, EVERY SINGLE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE "JEW-BOLSHEVIKS" CAN EASILY BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE GERMAN FASCISTS. They COUNTERED the ideological power of - Stalinism even - by appropriating what THEY believed its power was owed to.
They appropriated its aesthetic, and they were very open about this - Hitler said "there is more than binds us to Bolshevism than not", some Nazis called themselves "We Bolsheviks of the Right" and so on. So the Jew-Bolshevik as a figure is very real, he is to be found among the ranks of the German Naizs. The Fascists are sometimes perfectly self-conscious of their filthy lies too. For example, I forget who - in Italy, they claimed something along the lines of "Even if the Protocols is forged, it is still profoundly true".
Go on the web and see all the fucking SHIT they make up - from forged quotes to forged "facts". They literally pull shit out of their ass, and its "truth" is tied to how fucking well it conforms to their pathology. It is the same opportunistic culture of LYING that pervades reactionaries and conservatives as a whole.
>>1226528
TL;DR, desu senpai. baka. You can't disprove an ideology by calling its adherents cowards.
>>1226528
>cowardly and feeble cowards
Stopped reading right there.
>>1226400
>As alt-right becomes more socially acceptable as a reaction to sjw culture, 4chan slowly becomes more left
Firstly, /his/ being less alt-right than /pol/ does not mean 4chan as a whole is less.
Secondly, 4chan as a whole is not a static group of people. 4chan has been becoming progressively more left ever since it filled up with le anti-tumblr people, not because the people here are turning into leftists, but because we've been gaining more people even though we're already carrying the rightmost side of the population. If you keep picking marbles out of the bag after picking up most of the red ones, you're going to be more likely to pick up blue ones. What's really happening is that 4chan is just gaining more and more normies, which is going to happen with anything that gains popularity.
>>1226483
>It's a "I vote for trump because voting for someone who just serves himself instead of me somehow isn't cuckoldry"
4chan will become leftist because the general climate will become rightist,
4chan is neither right nor left truly, it's contrarian, it's only ever been contrarian to popular thought and popular public perception.
>>1226600
4chan is contrarian, if you want to lay a foundation it's a sort of contrarian/true-neutral liberatarian ideology wise.
or it's just super tsundere for leftists.
>>1226603
4chan won't become either leftist or rightist
4chan is a transparent medium in which the state is able to perceive its own ideology in a pure form
Pure ideology contains the Left and the Right within itself
>>1226615
>4chan is
4chan is an anonymous image board
Its population may tend to be contrarian, given that they feel less secure doing so openly.
However, as your population grows larger, you'll inevitably regress towards the mean.
>>1226620
holy shit.
>>1226600
>It's an "against their own economic interests" episode
>>1226628
Is there a different result when an anonymous board and one with the more conventional nickname structure become more popular? Or do both equally well regress to the mean?
A voting system such as with Reddit would more easily be determined by the majority no?
>>1226408
This. We've always had people on both sides of the political spectrum flinging shit at each other.
>>1226492
>The fuck? It has turned more and more alt right since I came here in 2007.
I'm not him but I have been noticing a change. My first board was /int/. When I first went there the constant meme was racism and general semi-joking right-wing shilling. Obviously, being /int/ this was light hearted, mostly joking and there was plenty of non-standard shit like love for traps and jewesses. Then a bunch of people started taking the jokes too seriously, acting really autistic, shilling way too hard and just being general /pol/acks. Now all of that joking rightism is gone. >white posting is still around but it's become completely divorced from the real world until all that is left is the meme. /pol/acks get shut down relatively quickly (something /his/ still cant figure out) and christcucks are ignored.
It hasn't turned left, and I don't think it will. It's just gotten sick of the alt-right meme and has gone back to the general 4chan memery. In fairness /int/ has always been a normie board so it's not fully representative but I've notice /pol/ has been way less aggressive in it's shilling here as well, and the /pol/acks that are here tend to be more thoughtful ones, traditionalists and the like. It doesn't feel like redd!it the way it used to. I think 4chan might be salvageable.
>>1226600
the normies are the alt-rightists.
>>1226750
my nigga
It has nothing to do with contrarianism, 4chan is just becoming more politically correct and dumbed down like everywhere else. /pol/ was right. Redditors don't help.
>>1226740
>I'm not him but I have been noticing a change. My first board was /int/.
Well there you have it, int is relatively new, you haven't been here long enough. 4chan was not right wing. Alt right latched on because terms like nigger were thrown around freely, mostly just because aboriginal 4channers were slightly edgelordy and just wanted to express their freedom to say whatever they wanted. At least that's my theory. One thing is for certain, around 2010ish there was a very steep influx of right wing people, probably because of the news(proto/pol/) board and sjw culture
>>1226528
>They COUNTERED the ideological power of - Stalinism even - by appropriating what THEY believed its power was owed to.
Actually Stalin realized that without Nationalism he would have a hard time matching Nazi Germany's morale so he brought back things like traditional Russian theater and started promoting nationalist propaganda. Stallinism is basically commies realizing that Fascism is superior and that they have to become Fascists if they want to keep up.
>JUSTIFY THEMSELVES, EVERY SINGLE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE "JEW-BOLSHEVIKS" CAN EASILY BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE GERMAN FASCISTS
Their main beef with Jewish Bolshevism was that it was internationalist. Please explain to me how 'German fascists" were internationalists.
> For example, I forget who - in Italy, they claimed something along the lines of "Even if the Protocols is forged, it is still profoundly true".
That was Julius Evola, a renowned anti-fascist mystic who was talking about how the world described by the Protocals had come about, even though he didn't think that it had come about from an active Jewish conspiracy of any sort.
>Go on the web and see all the fucking SHIT they make up - from forged quotes to forged "facts". They literally pull shit out of their ass, and its "truth" is tied to how fucking well it conforms to their pathology. It is the same opportunistic culture of LYING that pervades reactionaries and conservatives as a whole.
All forms of leftism are so much worse for this. At least right wingers aren't the status quo they actually have to try with their arguments and be sure that they know what they are talking about ( Stormniggers excepted), unlike bourgois leftist liberals and pseudo-opposition basement communists.
>>1226890
>was a very steep influx of right wing people
It wasn't a "steep influx" of right-wing people, it was just the original userbase being galvanized into reacting to an increasingly politicized internet, and like you said, SJW culture.
Before that the internet wasn't as popular so it was space where (largely) males didn't have to conform to the PC standards of mainstream society, or be involved in the eternal culture war, especially on 4chan. Feminists, Leftists and Jews by and large hadn't fully set their sights on it yet, and the internet was more disconnected from the real world since social media wasn't as big. It was more like a Wild West. Then they took it over like they do everything else to turn it into a commercialized safe space, and another ground for their culture war. People adjusted to the culture change they didn't like by taking a right-wing position (or keeping the one they already had and putting into play). What you're seeing is just the fallout from that. The same thing happened to other institutions and forms of entertainment.
It's like when you have a close group of friends and you can feel free to act a certain way with them. Then you bring in more people you're not that familiar with, and you have to adjust how you act since you're not sure what ticks with them. Then you bring in their girlfriends, and you have to again adjust your behavior and watch out not to say anything potentially offensive or make off-color jokes. Then you go visit one of your relatives' parents' store with them and you have to adjust your behavior to be polite in front of their parents and the consumers in that stores, and not do anything too crazy to avoid causing trouble. That's essentially what happened to 4chan and the internet at large.
>>1227017
>It wasn't a "steep influx" of right-wing people
(cont.)
Although I should add: since the rest of the internet was getting more PC, it's definitely possible that there was an influx of people who were banned or silenced from those other communities, but I don't think they make up the bulk of it, and there was also an influx of people from places from Reddit and Tumblr as well. 4chan has always been a place where people come to get away with what they can't do on other sites since the beginning anyway.
>>1227017
And at the same time they turned christian, started hating anime, and lost their taste for trap porn? I can see the correlations, don't mess with me
>>1227216
>and lost their taste for trap porn
Fuckin' HEH
they wish
>>1226400
>a grate shift in ideology about to happen
The grate is indeed shifting, but you may not like what's behind it.
>>1226400
>4chan slowly becomes more left
Doubtful. 4chan has become a bastion of alt-right sentiment on the internet, albeit mostly in a vague, nebulous sense than in propagating any coherent ideology.
In the end, though, 4chan is concerned chiefly with what goes on within its own borders. Most of the anons who propagate strong beliefs in any direction are probably to unmotivated or poor to have a vibrant political life IRL.
What evidence is there that 4chan has become more left wing?
Anonymous communities like 4chan always tend to attract more right-wing and nationalistic types.
2channel in Japan and Ilbe in Korea were known for having lots of far-right users long before the western media had ever heard of /pol/ or the alt-right.
Having browsed 4chan since '07, it was originally left wing. The user base was mostly underage (myself included at the time) and hating Bush was a really trendy way to virtue signal on the internet. People said nigger and posted gore and no one gave a fuck because it was 4chan and it was expected. Saying nigger on 4chan was a celebration of anonymous freedom.
Now gore has been marginalized as edgy, like atheists through the fedora meme. Since Bush left and Obama took over, the left has devolved into gender politics. In the process, people on 4chan now try to label anyone who says nigger as edgy and to go back to /pol/. The younger base of original 4chan has now grown up and has either become more conservative as they aged, or more reactionary as the political environment has become increasingly hostile. They are now surrounded by people that were the age they started 4chan at, aka, people with no life experience/babby's first year of college communists(/his/).
tl;dr - 4chan is just fulfilling a generation cycle
>>1227278
>Probably too unmotivated or poor to have a vibrant political life IRL
That isn't the case. In recent years /pol/ has been gaining more and more influence on politics through the internet and with 4chan being a large website and /pol/ at it's front (it is the biggest board) they will indirectly propagate those beliefs through the media and in real life.
>>1226400
>Hegel was right again.
Bitch pls. Hegel thought ideology was rational, and would lead to a free and more prosperous world.
That's just insane to believe given the climate of international politics, I mean, one thermonuclear bomb in the wrong hands and the entire political order will be destroyed.
>>1227690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiS6a1XE91M
>>1228248
kek
Its true though.
>>1227701
I don't think you understand Hegel that well. I suggest reading him.
>>1227226
Comparatively, yes they have. I remember huge trap threads on off topic boards with no detractors
>he actually thinks an anime website would not be reactionary
Nice one revisionists.
>>1226528
t. reddit
You have to go back
>>1226528
When you TYPE like THIS it makes people LESS LIKELY TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.
>>1226528
>The Fascists are sometimes perfectly self-conscious of their filthy lies too. For example, I forget who - in Italy, they claimed something along the lines of "Even if the Protocols is forged, it is still profoundly true".
evola wasn't a fascist and as far as I understand he's saying that the protocols were showing a non-literal truth, i.e the conspiratory meetings didn't happen but the jewish plan for world domination is in the general sense the same as in the protocols
I believe this is called "mythological thinking"
