How did God go from a Jewish Jupiter ruling the land of Israel with an iron fist to a proto-hippie?
>Jews get fucked over by the Romans, need to rationalize their way out of their despair
>along come dozens of radical preachers, one after another
>each one comes up with a new explanation, gains some followers, then dies
>finally one of them, guy named Jesus, gets his wacky ideas to stick
>wow, guess that Yahweh guy just wanted us all to love after all
>>1214155
but jesus is not god
>>1214155
>Jesus shows up
>LOOK AT ME I'M THE MESSIAH
>Pharisees: lol, you're not the messiah. You're not even anything like the messiah.
>Dies without anything Messiah-y happening.
>Ignorant Greek hipsters hear about it and convert without knowing anything about Jewish tradition.
That's how.
buddhism
grecobactria flourished thru out eurasia
and thus J be thrust upon urlust
>>1214192
You are right. Jesus is just a MAN, infected by GOD;S HOLY SPIRIT. This "Jesus is God' is just a mistake made up by the PAPISTS.
>>1214192
If you are a non-trinitarian then he is not.
>>1214155
Jesus is not God.
God has destroyed his creation once.
Jesus saves the convenant between God and Man by sacrificing himself to pay for the sins of mankind in an act of selfless love thus saving mankind from being wiped out again.
>>1214198
Your obviously a Buddhist cause you can't speak English.
>>1214208
ur obvosli anglo cuz u unenlited
>>1214208
>Your obviously a Buddhist
>Your obviously
>Your
>accuses other people of failing to speak English
>>1214229
t. Papist cuck with Stockholm syndrome molested as a child
>>1214155
different authors
>>1214321
but they are writing about the same god, right?
>>1214278
t. cuckold sitting in the west jerking off to the fall of the west
Blame Zoroaster and the Buddha. They made God less insane/retarded.
>>1214921
So it's a result not of divine relevation, but influence by neighbors?
>>1214197
t. Jew
>>1215684
You really have to twist the scripture to make Jesus look even remotely like a messiah
>>1215695
This. Some of the "messianic prophecies" attributed to Jesus arn't even prophecies but poems or songs about some obscure Jewish event taken out of context.
Pretty much every prophecy he does "fufill" requires completly twisting the words of what those prophecies are supposed to fulfill.
Other stuff it was so obvious Jesus didn't do that they have to resort to "He'll do it when he gets back!"
why would an omnipotent being ie God need the sacrifice of someone ?
just why ?
can someone explain to me in words and logic and not bible phrases ?
>>1214155
Orthodox Chrisitans and Muslims (who based much of their religion from Orthodox and Jewish dogma) see God as a Jupiter-like figure.
Catholics don't see him that way. They see God as a benevolent, paternal figure. I would suggest attending Orthodox Church when you get the time. The Bilblical God they worship is hardcore.
God was never a "Jupiter", he was either a Father disciplining his children or a Husband grieving over the infidelity of his whore wife.
>>1215674
Everyone gets a bit of divine revelation. The beliefs are refined until they make more sense.
>>1214200
>You are right. Jesus is just a MAN, infected by GOD;S HOLY SPIRIT. This "Jesus is God' is just a mistake made up by the PAPISTS.
Even Protestards that unironically shout "Papist Jesuit Assassin Horse of Bobby Ling" belive Jesus is God.
>>1217078
>2016
>Not being an Ayran Arian
>ISHYGDDT
>>1217078
Because they've been swallowing Papistical LIES for 5 centuries. But more and more of us are waking up to discover the TRUTH od the oriignal scripture. while you prepare for hell.
Because jesus is not god,i can't grasp how people can believe that god can be omnipotent and make a set of rules and then later sacrafices ''himself'' to nullify his old rules that he made and replace them 180 degrees different rule set more or less admitting that he made a mistake,all of what some would consider humiliation for some shitty race he created that is way below him.
Well, he had to take control of the pantheon first. Then he bumped them off, one by one (even his own wife). When he was finally the exclusive Jewish god, he proceeded on a bloody rampage that often targeted his own chosen people. I have to assume he got tired at some point and fucked off. Jesus then jacked his steez and inject passivism into it, and presumably big Y is still slumbering away.
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>>1217106
>TRUTH od the oriignal scripture
t. biblically illiterate
>>1217379
Oh, you mean the Bible put together by Papist fucks? Holy Scripture is not what some power-grubbing bishops put together in a council ordered by the Roman Emperor. The real scripture is the word of JESUS.
>>1217404
t. atheist shitposter role-playing as le protestant conspiracy theorist
If you call yourself Christian you should know that you're actually an apostate.
>>1217449
I'm not talking about the reliability of transmission, which is of course very good. But those original texts were all separate until they were put together by greedy bishops, and some of them are definitely accurate but others were obviously not (I mean the ORIGINALS, not the copies). I'm talking about the original words and teachings of Jesus, which only the HOLY SPIRIT delivers, the real Scriptures, GOD'S WORD.
I follow Jesus the Christ as my Lord, so no, I am not an apostate, I am fully Christian. You who follow the deeds of men poisoned by the devil are the apostates, who have thrown away the living God for some ancient scrolls.
>>1217495
You fell for pathetic conspiracy theories and you also reject His divinity, therefore you are not a Christian. You are an apostate.
>He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am He you will die in your sins.”
John 8:23-24
>>1217512
You fell for pathetic materialistic priests and their lying words, put together under Rome and Satan. You are an apostate.
>John
Don't make me laugh. Do you also quote the Sophia Gospel and the Apocalypse of Adam?
Pray to God and to His Spirit for forgiveness.
>>1217517
Why did you delete, the repose the exact same post.
>>1217525
Why would I quote noncanonical Gnostic garbage? Is this bait?
>Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel. (which is a title meaning God with us)
Isaiah 7:14
>>1214187
First answer is the right one. The important part though is the bit where his message of peace and love gains traction with roman citizens.
>>1217554
But that's exactly what you're doing, by quoting the "Gospel" of John. This thing you quoted (You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world) is exactly the gnostic dualism between the spiritual and evil material worlds. Except it's >canonical only because the devil succeeded in planting his seeds among the early Papists.
I fully agree with what Isaiah has written, and so it came to be.
>>1214155
If god knows the fate of everything, why did he even bother creating Jesus?
Why did he let Jesus sacrifice himself?
Why did he accept jesus' sacrifice and not anyone else's?
Isn't jesus' sacrifice to forgive collective sin moot if we continued to sin right afterwards?
Why did god forgive collective and future sins and not before?
>>1217609
Stop the mental gymnastics, as for papacy, it is biblical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KV6PXSODgE
>I fully agree with what Isaiah has written, and so it came to be.
You clearly don't since you deny Jesus Christ's divinity. You are an apostate.
>>1217654
>The papacy is biblical
>Even though Peter, the claimed first pope, massively disagreed with Paul's teachings.
>>1217654
Point out where in Isaiah 7:14 it so much as mentions Jesus being God. You're making shit up, and anyone can see it (God first of all). The actual Scriptures are very clear on the Messiah not being the same as God.
>as for papacy, it is biblical
It is "Biblical", because the Papists PUT TOGETHER THE BIBLE! Anyway Peter is not the Pope (that word is not anywhere even in the Bible they put together, even they couldn't find a text to throw in that supported that nonsense).
Is this all just bait? You were just a deceived Christian, but now you're suddenly a Papist pagan? What is this?
>>1217677
>shitposting this hard
>>1217691
>Point out where in Isaiah 7:14 it so much as mentions Jesus being God.
Can't you read one verse?
>that word is not anywhere even in the Bible
I kek everytime. I wish you realized how stupid you sound.
>Pagan
same
Read Matthew 16:18 and stop shitposting.
>>1217694
>Everything that contradicts my views is a shitpost
>I have such a short term memory I don't even remember the OP.
Fantastic.
>>1217712
>I'm shitposting b-but I'm not actually shitposting!
>>1217718
>If I shitpost in response to facts then I will make it look like everyone else is shitposting
Fantastic.
>>1217704
>Can't you read one verse?
I did. It said nothing about that. Here it is again for you:
>Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel. (which is a title meaning God With Us)
The Messiah's name means GOD WITH US. Not I AM GOD. Not GOD IS US. Not GOD IN ME. But GOD - WITH - US. And indeed when he preached God was with us, because His Holy Spirit entered us.
But you already see and know that. Deception never ends with you liars.
>>1217744
>If I keep shitposting while calling you a shitposter m-maybe I'll win the argument!
>>1214200
>infected by GOD;S HOLY SPIRIT
metal
>>1217760
NOT AN ARGUMENT
>>1217757
>Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
Exodus 3:13-15
>The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?”
>Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ But you have not known Him. I know Him. If I were to say that I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know Him and I keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”
>So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” So they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.
John 8:52-59
>>1217803
>more quotes from our gnostic pagan friend "John"
No thanks, I'm Christian.
>>1217820
>more buzzwords from the biblically illiterate apostate conspiracy theorist who calls himself Christian
>>1214207
then why is god wiping them out in Revelations?
checkm8
>>1217823
>more buzzwords from the Pope-kowtowing gnostic-loving deceiver who calls himself Christian
>>1217823
>>1217843
Ladies and gentlemen, I present: Christfags!
See them insult each other over petty points of doctrine!
See them try to outdo each other in proving who is most loving by declaring each other non-Christians!
See them twist words around until you have no idea how they got from text A to interpretation B, and then claim there is no interpretation needed!
See massive walls of copypasta!
And the best part is: the show never ends!
>>1217873
>Christfags
The anon I'm arguing with is an apostate.
>Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He made to us—eternal life.
1 John 2:22-25
>>1217873
>petty points of doctrine
Christ's divinity is not a "petty point of doctrine".
>biblical passages
>copypasta
Pick one.
Never reply to me again unless I ask you a question >>>/r/atheism
>>1218442
Wow, 3/4 in one post. Not bad.
>>1217757
Immanuel = God is with us
>>1218472
Stop shitposting.
Oh look, the shitposting tripfaggot is back only without the trip this time!
Epik maymays bros.
Epik
MayMays
>>1218473
>I will restate exactly what the post I am quoting already said, because I can't be arsed to actually read
>>1217873
I like you, you are funny.
>>1218475
THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS ONE GIGANTIC SHITPOST
>>1218483
Nice shitpost.
>>1218487
You're the one who has to read. Start with these two beautiful passages I posted >>1217810 and then read the entire Holy Bible which your apostate self hates.
>>1214155
lol this thread
I used to think Islamic sectarianism was worse, nope, Christians just became less violent.
>>1218541
>Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord. Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.
>Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
>Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Romans 12:9-21
What does the demonic islamic cult teach?
>"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."
Qur'an 8:12
>>1218562
Okay? I don't get how that disproves what I said.
>>1214216
Fucking /rekt
>>1218652
>le ebil christians maymay
>>1218562
Exodus 35:2 - Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
>>1219111
Yes.
>>1218562
Well, well, well, if it isn't the tripHOMOSEXUAL virmin himself, Aelian. How many sins have you committed today, you vile tripFAGGOT? Don't you know that you're already in hell, my homosexual pagan friend?
After all, if you've read the Book of Daniel and Revelations, you'd know that worshiping the Bible as a replacement of God Almighty is a SIN. Needless to say, you're going to hell as of now. You also defend the whore of Babylon, the Catholic Church of Kiddyfiddlers. I also heard from trustworthy sources that you yourself are a filthy pervert who engages routinely into sodomy. Right down to sex with dogs.
Now why don't you confess ALL YOUR SINS right here, right now, you filthy vile sinner, you son of the devil you. Aelian, I tell you as a someone who is saved to someone who is really a demon in disguise, TURN OR BURN, YOU FILTHY SINNER
>>1219147
>worshiping the Bible
>>1219187
You can't seem to stop quoting from it over and over again, like some DEMON ROBOT. Anyway, tell us your sins, Aelian, you vile sinning tripFAGGOT.
Don't you know that the Last Days are upon us, that soon God Almighty will judge you, especially you, for your cardinal sin of worshipibg a book instead of God Almighty himself? Why do you worship the Bible like a false god, Aeheathen? Are you some kind of HOMOSEXUAL who has a fetish for books? My sources tell me that you have a lot of creepy fetishes, and you can deny them on this filthy board, filly with sly demonic liars like yourself, or you can come clean, and worship the true God, you filthy demon in disguise you.
So come clean, stop being a demon in disguise, stop worshiping books as false gods, and stop your perverted sexual fantasies that you and I both know you have. OR RISK ETERNAL DAMNATION, YOU DEMONIC BOOKOSEXUAL
>>1219213
kek
>>1219213
I'm not sure about what you're trying to achieve with this shitposting but your role-playing is unconvincing my sad atheist friend, also:
>All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
>>1219187
I also heard that you worship the phoney Shroud of Turin as a literal false god. Don't you know that God Almighty is now a Shroud? He's not a piece of cloth. He is very real, and so is his judgement for vile sinners like you who worship material goods over him.
Who knew. You're not only a tripHOMOSEXUAL, a vile BOOKOSEXUAL, but you're a perverted CLOTHOSEXUAL as well. Are you even able to stop turning everything into a sexual fetish? Were you molested by your Fagolic priests to have received all these perverted fantasies? Did you fag priest put his 'member of Christ' in your mouth? Why must you be such a HOMOSEXUAL, Aeliqueer? Why are you obsessed with books, shrouds, penises and probably dogs as well?
Don't you know that we live in the End of Days, and that God will soon judge a sexual crazed demon in disguise like you?
>>1219243
Shut your filthy, demonic mouth, you filthy, SEX OBSESSED heathen. Here you DEMONstrate my point. Like some kind of demonic robot, you quote from your Bible again, the book you have sexual fantasies over. You even accuse ME of being a perverted FAGGOT like you, whileshowing as clear as day that you worship the book as a false god. You bow down to it like the filthy heathen you are.
That very same Bible warns of PERVERTS like you, so when it's used by demons in disguise like you, we can't even rely on it anymore, we can only trust God Almighty to judge vile HOMOSEXUAL perverts like you to judge you and your filthy, sinful way.
SOON, MY FAGGOT DEMONIC FRIEND, SOON, YOU WILL BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL
>it's an Ælian thread
Go get banned
>>1219275
No, it's a thread by and for demons in disguise, Aelian is their main cockring leader.
Here's a task for you, my FAGGOT friend. Try and construct a post WITHOUT usinga direct quote from the Bible, the book you have sexual fantasies over.
YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE A DEMON IN DISGUISE WITH NO DIVINE INNATE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR OWN.
Of course you constantly quote the Bible, without showing any Grace. Of course you accuse others of being a sinful demon like yourself. That's exactly what I would do if I were a demon in disguise and a tripFAGGOT who worships Satan.
Aelian, everything you've done so far DEMONstrates that you are in fact a minion of Satan. You worship a book over God Almighty himself, you accuse others of being the very HOMOSEXUAL you are, and you probably have many more SICK PERVERTED FAGGOT FANTASIES other than the Bible as a sexy male gigolo and the fake Shroud as the bedsheets to ejaculate in
REPENT, YOU FILTHY DEMON HOMO
>>1219305
See >>1219243
Also:
>All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:23
>Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
>>1219312
>Here's a task for you, my FAGGOT friend. Try and construct a post WITHOUT usinga direct quote from the Bible, the book you have sexual fantasies over.
>YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE A DEMON IN DISGUISE WITH NO DIVINE INNATE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR OWN.
>Here's a task for you, my FAGGOT friend. Try and construct a post WITHOUT usinga direct quote from the Bible, the book you have sexual fantasies over.
>YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE A DEMON IN DISGUISE WITH NO DIVINE INNATE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR OWN.
>Here's a task for you, my FAGGOT friend. Try and construct a post WITHOUT usinga direct quote from the Bible, the book you have sexual fantasies over.
>YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE A DEMON IN DISGUISE WITH NO DIVINE INNATE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR OWN.
There, my HOMOSEXUAL DEMON friend, I put it up three times, so that even a GAY demon like you can understand it, and so that the whole world can see what you really are. You are a demon in disguise. You are a homosexual. You worship Satan, books, and shrouds, when you should really be worshiping God Almighty. You've just cursed yourself to hell, again, you little demon, you little semen swallowing scumbag you
>>1219339
Shhhh, no tears, only dreams now.
He didn't rule Israel. The reason Israel had kings was because Israel wanted to be like all the other nations instead of being directly ruled by the Almighty. Moreover, God was very proto hippy in the old testament, there are more prophets talking about Gods mercy and love than there are prophets talking about his anger and hatred. The old testament Prophets repeatedly said that God requires justice for widows and orphans and mercy from Israel. But evil people in modern times focus solely on the wrath of God to paint a picture of him as being a cruel pagan-esque war god.
>>1219380
Except those times he commanded his people to commit genocide
There is no god in recorded history like God. Name a single God in any pagan religion who cares about widows, orphans and poor people. Name a God who concerns himself with love, charity, holiness, purity, mercy, justice and honor. Name a single God who does not require sacrifice but asks for humility, justice and mercy. This is repeated again and again throughout the Bible.
>>1219390
If you had a son, would you let other men molest him? Israel was Gods children. The people who inhabited Judea before the Israelites were evil people and they infected the land with their evil. God forbid Israel from interbreeding with their neighbours. We have archaeological evidence that these people committed human sacrifice to their own little kids. If you do that in many nations today you can get executed, but I'm sure you don't call that genocide, do you?
>>1219424
fuck you
>>1219408
>Name a single God who does not require sacrifice
Not Yahweh? Before Christ he took animal sacrifices and Christ himself was a sacrifice
>>1219454
Micah 6:7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousand rivers of olive oil? Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
1 Samuel 15:22 But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
>>1214155
different levels of thought development require different rules, jesus was preordained from the beginning when we were ready.
Why did your parents have different rules&expectactinos for you when you were 5 and when you were 16 and when you were 30?
>>1219454
Christ is Yahweh.
>>1219492
Wrong. The Christ is Jesus of Nazareth, not some Canaanite storm god.
>>1221219
>Canaanite storm god
stale meme
Jesus of Nazareth is God.
>>1214155
He didn't.
He dealt with people one way under the Old Covenant, and deals with people a different way under the New.
>>1214197
Murder Messiah.
Reject Kingdom.
Blame Murdered Messiah for not bringing in Rejected Kingdom.
Gloss over fact Messiah rose from the dead.
Jews.
>>1215752
350 of them.
They become overwhelming.
>>1214187
It was Paul really, not so much Jesus
>>1215764
Not just someone; God Himself had to die, but He had to be a man in order to redeem us under His Law.
Everyone has broken all of God's Laws.
The penalty for breaking all of God's Laws is death.
Everyone deserves death.
Life is in the blood.
Without shedding blood, there is no payment for sin.
God's holiness, justice and righteousness was satisfied by Jesus' sacrifice; by Jesus taking all of our sins as His own, suffering the wrath of God on all of them, and then dying, paying the ultimate price of breaking God's Laws.
God's holiness, justice and righteousness satisfied, God in His mercy and grace offers us the free gift of His salvation; He offers us Himself.
>>1217609
The gnostics did not believe God could, or did, come down from heaven in the flesh. That flesh could contain the divine. They are powered by the spirit of antichrist.
>>1217639
Did you watch the movie Titanic?
>>1217654
The papacy is demonic.
>>1221219
YHWH is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not the god of the wicked canaanites.
>>1221282
You'd be either a pagan or a muslim today if the Catholic Church ceased to exist but that's impossible because as the Lord said it Himself, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
>>1221296
Rubbish.
No Christian has ever relied on Rome. Not once, not ever.
Peter called it Babylon.
>>1221307
Who destroyed the Whore of Babylon? Babylon did, which was pagan Rome. Babylon is a code name for Rome, which symbolized sexual and immoral excess. Revelation 17:16 says that the ten horns (symbolizing the rulers of pagan Rome) will destroy the whore by fire, which is exactly what the Romans did to Jerusalem in 70 AD. And then Revelation 17:14 says that the Lamb will conquer them both. This happened in the 4th Century, when Constantine became the first Christian emperor of Rome, who stopped all of the religious persecutions of Christians with the Edict of Milan in 313 AD. Constantine built the Vatican directly on top of the tomb of St. Peter, on Vatican Hill, outside the city of Rome.
>>1221313
Nobody. She is alive and well.
She will not be destroyed until your pope is cast into the lake of fire along with the antichrist; when Armegeddon is over and the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ begins.
Your amillennial copy pasta is not only stale but has actually rotted.
>>1221315
When the Whore falls we read, "‘Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you’. . . . In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth" (18:20, 24). This shows that the Whore persecuted not just Christians, but apostles and prophets. Apostles existed only in the first century, since one of the requirements for being an apostle was seeing the risen Christ (1 Cor. 9:1). Prophets existed as a group only in the Old Testament and in the first century (Acts 11:27–28, 13:1, 15:32, 21:10).
Since the Whore persecuted apostles and prophets, the Whore must have existed in the first century. This totally demolishes the claim that Christian Rome or Vatican City is the Whore. Rome was not a Christian city at that time, and Vatican City did not even exist, so neither of them could be the Whore. Furthermore, Fundamentalists continually (though wrongly) claim that Catholicism itself did not exist in the first century, meaning that based on their very own argument Catholicism could not be the Whore!
Fundamentalists are fond of conjecturing that in the last days there will be a "revived Roman empire," such as the one that persecuted Christians in the first century. Yet they never draw the inference that this empire would be headed by a revived pagan Rome, with the bishop of Rome leading the Christian underground, just as he did in the first century.
Still, Revelation 18:20 and 18:24 prove that the Whore had to be a creature of the first century, which, in the Fundamentalist view, the Catholic Church was not. Thus, on their own view, their identification of the Catholic Church with the Whore is completely impossible! Only ancient, pagan Rome or apostate Jerusalem could possibly be the Whore.
>>1221323
proddies btfo
>>1221323
Yes, that is what Christians are going to say when God destroys Rome.
>>1221323
>Since the Whore persecuted apostles and prophets, the Whore must have existed in the first century. This totally demolishes the claim that Christian Rome or Vatican City is the Whore.
You may be insane.
Rome then, Rome now.
>>1221338
>>1221345
Non praevalebunt.
>But, even the Church itself by itself, because of its marvelous propagation, its exceptional holiness, and inexhaustible fruitfulness in all good works; because of its catholic unity and invincible stability, is a very great and perpetual motive of credibility, and an incontestable witness of its own divine mission.
Vatican I, Session 3, chapter 3
>>1221370
fuck the catholic church
>>1221412
You'll still convert on your deathbed though lol
>>1221420
Look at his fucking face, it's the face of evil.
>>1221422
>Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.
John 7:24
>>1221425
this
>>1221357
Oh, I understand it quite well.
Right after what you posted is Armegeddon, where the Antichrist and his armies are defeated.
Revelation 19
The Beast and His Armies Defeated
Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”
>>1221370
Do you think you're going to attack the gates of Hell? (the place Jesus made?)
>>1221425
Right judgment is condemning the Roman Catholic Church as the Harlot of Mystery Babylon, and the pope the False Prophet therein.
>>1221430
>>1221433
>>1221435
When the Whore falls we read, "‘Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you’. . . . In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth" (18:20, 24). This shows that the Whore persecuted not just Christians, but apostles and prophets. Apostles existed only in the first century, since one of the requirements for being an apostle was seeing the risen Christ (1 Cor. 9:1). Prophets existed as a group only in the Old Testament and in the first century (Acts 11:27–28, 13:1, 15:32, 21:10).
>>1221437
Yes, Rome killed prophets and saints then, and now.
You seem dim.
>>1221445
When did Jerusalem reign over the kings of the earth again? Because seems to me they were occupied in Jesus' time, and then BTFO, and then reconstituted in 1948.
When did they rule over the kings of the earth?
No, Jerusalem is called Sodom and Egypt, but never Babylon.
Jerusalem stands opposed to Babylon.
Protip: If you are reading the "Bible" in anything but the original Hebrew/Aramaic you are a pagan roman/greek appropriating heretic reading the lies of men who neither lived with Jesus and have no authority whatsoever to speak on ancient or contemporary Jewish/Hebrew/Canaanite texts and theology. Christians are the original WE WUZ JEWS AND SHIT when in fact they are straw hut living, sheepfucking European pagans cucked by authority into believing Papist sponsored bullshit.
Judaism and Eastern Orthodox are the only abramaic religions of any substance and historic authenticity. What are you going to believe, some ghostwritten hellenized commentary on the OT that reads like a bad fanfic retconning Jesus into the text, or the original Tanakh and commentary with an UNBROKEN historical lineage that is at the very least consistent and avoids outside influence from dirty goyim? Stay mad that you aren't Chosen, Goy :^)
>>1221451
>>1221453
See:
>>1221313
Too bad Jews have been cucks for 3,000 years, I wish the Jews would just rebuild the 3rd Temple already and stop this Christianity and Islam meme. Make Jerusalem Great Again!
>>1221463
>the original Hebrew/Aramaic
>you are a pagan
lol
>roman/greek appropriating
>WE WUZ JEWS AND SHIT
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28)
>Judaism
Expired. A New Covenant has been established.
>Eastern Orthodox
Pic related and see >>1217370
>>1221468
So Jerusalem never ruled over the kings of the earth.
Rome did.
Rome is built on seven cities.
Rome killed the saints and the prophets, then and now.
Rome is Babylon, ACCORDING TO YOUR FIRST "POPE" PETER.
>>1221499
I read them.
They're wrong.
They're lies.
They're absurd.
In the bible, the destruction of the Whore of Babylon is right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ coming to end Armageddon.
Remember there is such a thing called the bible? I posted it above since you probably don't.
>>1221489
>Jews covenant expired because we say it did!
>Everything we say is true even if there are still writings that disprove it because respect mah authority!
>Paganism is a sin, but appropriating pagan rituals and customs is A-OK when we do it!
>Let us in Rome tell you what the Jewish god REALLY meant!
Keep sucking that Italian cock, catcuck heretic
>>1221463
>They have turned aside quickly out of the way that I commanded them. They have made for themselves a golden calf and have worshiped it and sacrificed to it and said, ‘These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!’” And the Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and behold, it is a stiff-necked people. Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them, in order that I may make a great nation of you.”
>But Moses implored the Lord his God and said, “O Lord, why does your wrath burn hot against your people, whom you have brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? Why should the Egyptians say, ‘With evil intent did He bring them out, to kill them in the mountains and to consume them from the face of the earth’? Turn from your burning anger and relent from this disaster against your people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, your servants, to whom you swore by your own self, and said to them, ‘I will multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have promised I will give to your offspring, and they shall inherit it forever.’” And the Lord relented from the disaster that He had spoken of bringing on His people.
Exodus 32:8-14
...but after killing the Lord Jesus Christ, as He prophesied (Mk 13:1-4), in 70 AD He was not relenting. Go back wailing at the wall now as it was prophesied:
>“So you shall speak all these words to them, but they will not listen to you. You shall call to them, but they will not answer you. And you shall say to them, ‘This is the nation that did not obey the voice of the Lord their God, and did not accept discipline; truth has perished; it is cut off from their lips. “‘Cut off your hair and cast it away; raise a lamentation on the bare heights, for the Lord has rejected and forsaken the generation of His wrath.’
Jeremiah 7:27-29
>>1221545
The Jews never seem to contemplate the new covenant Jeremiah told them about in the 31st chapter. It's right there, in black and white. A new covenant, offered to Judah, unlike the old.
>>1221544
Read: >>1221545
>Then the Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.” So he built there an altar to the Lord, who had appeared to him.
Genesis 12:7
>Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
Galatians 3:16
...and you killed Him. Ya dun goofed my jewish friend.
>And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Galatians 3:29
>>1221586
No papist is a child of Abraham, but a child of the lawless one.
>>1221586
>...and you killed Him. Ya dun goofed my jewish friend.
John 10:18
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
The bible. Catholic kryptonite.
>>1221595
sigh
>“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Matthew 23:37-39
>>1221602
What's your point? I also love this passage:
>I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John 10:11
Any questions? Read >>1221625
pic related (trigger warning btw)
>>1221625
Yes, I get that. Most of God's prophets were killed. It was a bad job.
Knowing that, look at the longing in Jesus' words to gather them up, right then, after they had killed all of the prophets, and take care of them.
They will see Him in our future, and He will make of them stronger branches than He made of me, a wild branch.
Converted Jews are awesome Christians.
Papists? Not even in the right side of the war. If your highest and best identity is as a Roman Catholic, you belong to the enemy.
>>1221631
My point is that nobody killed Jesus. If Jesus wanted to, He'd still be hanging on that cross.
He is God.
>>1221637
Oh you're actually a Catholic-hating proddy? I thought you were a jew because you sure sound like one. Yikes.
>The one who says he is in the light but still hates his fellow Christian is still in the darkness.
1 John 2:9
>>1221640
I know. This post >>1221602 made you sound like a jew posting a "New Testament contradiction". Haven't you read Matthew 27:25?
>>1221640
Docetism is heresy btw.
>>1221692
He's a proddy so he doesn't care.
>>1221260
Murder Messiah.
>Reject Kingdom.
Blame Murdered Messiah for not bringing in Rejected Kingdom.
I don't think you understand what prophecies are or how they work
>Gloss over fact Messiah rose from the dead.
He didn't and it doesn't matter anyway. Fulfilling all of the prophecies under the forecasted conditions is the only thing that matter. Jesus never did it. End of story. Not the messiah.
>>1221889
>He didn't
His resurrection is the greatest event in human history. The Apostles didn't lie. They didn't get crucified, beheaded, stabbed, burned alive, stoned and bludgeoned to death for nothing. If they didn't see the resurrected Jesus they would've kept denying Him.
>it doesn't matter anyway
It absolutely does my sad jewish friend.
>>1221906
> The Apostles didn't lie.
How do you know?
>They didn't get crucified, beheaded, stabbed, burned alive, stoned and bludgeoned to death for nothing.
A great deal of the countless heretics and false prophets you would identify have been executed for the same sort of thing. I don't see your point.
>It absolutely does my sad jewish friend.
Where in the prophecies does it mention the messiah being ressurected from the dead? Also:
>not sad
>not Jewish
>not your friend
>>1221956
>Where in the prophecies does it mention the messiah being ressurected from the dead?
You weren't supposed to kill him dumbass.
>>1221989
So it doesn't then? Thank you.
>>1217604
This. The rapid Hellenization is what made it stick.
>>1214155
He smoked a joint
>>1217096
>Arianism
You're basically the proto-heretic, congrats. Luther is a newfag compared to you.
>>1214155
Not the same God.
>>1214155
I think the old testament was to establish some foundation, a new foundation, because if the myths were real, and people were being influenced by "fallen angels" it was time for the growing pains of a new word and a new law and way of life. But the true effectiveness of establishing this new word and way of life, mankind calling on the true God that created everything, the effectiveness lies within the broader perspective. What I mean is this- like I'm sure there were Israelite's who had their doubts of Noah and the flood, because of the amount of time between generations was so long that it was all just stories to them. But God kept the torah/old testament gathering information and documentation for that prolonged period of time, for the sake of the greater perspective for hundreds and thousands of years to come.
From this extended amount of time, you get to see how man eventually does fail when he's left to his own devices, he submits to his flesh when stuck in self righteousness and pride, their kingdoms fall, you have Israel's documentation of this where God claims He will deliver Israel to nation and army who's language they do not know all because Israel couldn't live by the original law.
With that scenario in play you have a documented lesson of consequences over hundreds and thousands of years. Where God is just schooling these people.
But ultimately, you have to remember the perspective of the timeless eternity, this amount of time of schooling and perceived punishments, is like a blink of an eye compared to eternity, when it feels much longer and brutal for us. But it's really only brief. (1/2)
>>1226549
Now my point is that, after this period, when the proof is now documented over hundreds and thousands of years. What man truly is, what he becomes when left alone, man's pride and arrogance, the temptation of pride and arrogance which leads to the exploitation of weaker nations, with the desire to worship things that appease the flesh, which are things that are in direct conflict with the spirit, the word of God and His will. Now when all this has taken place in a way for man to look back on, at the documentation, at the cause and effect of certain types of "human behavior" for both the individual and a nation of collective individuals...that's when it's time for forgiveness. The every lasting mercy and love.
So the conclusion in my opinion is that God knew before hand we can't combat the flesh alone, not without forgiveness. But there had to be a foundation laid first to serve as a reference point and that reference point, that foundation, was laid with a firm hand. After that was established, then it was time for forgiveness..because again, He knows the struggle and how hard it is.
Mathew 21:31 “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you."(Given their hearts are for God obviously)
But that's where we are now. Forgiveness is avaiable to everyone. Because again, God knew before hand what it was going to take to deliver us from this madness. But he also had to set some reference points. A testament to how we are susceptible to sin in relation to His perfect will. (2/2)
>>1226558
Also, mind you...if you're a not a believer or just a skeptic, we're talking about the creator of everything here. I know it's hard for some people to imagine anything with a will and intelligence that dwarfs anything this world has ever produced. It's easy to think that all this is just one random accident, to have minds and consciousness and a set of eyes looking at stuff among a rock floating in the middle of empty space. That our only source of hope is in things like money, materials, or the minds of men who have an uncanny ability to state what appears to be the obvious, that's of course until some other man comes a long and states another unacknowledged facet of the obvious. It's easy to think that's all we can rely on. It's easy to get stuck looking from the bushes as opposed from the tree tops.
>>1226612
*tips crown of thorns*
I don't feel like digging up gospel quotes right now, but there are a few good Old Testament writings that talk about the Word of God, or the Law. Generally, they say that the Word is one of kindness, compassion, and forgiveness. All that mess about saying how God is forgiving.
Jesus, according to the book of John, was the Word made flesh. This is why Jesus is considered equal to God. Because of the scripture that likens God to his Law, speaking as though they're one and the same. And if the scripture is true, and the Word of God is one of unflinching forgiveness and compassion, then the Word-as-a-person (Jesus) would presumably be a non-aggressive hippie type.
To better answer your question OP, think about the main differences between Jesus and God. Jesus was a man. He lived and died just like us. This gives him perspective that God doesn't have, so it might make sense that even if he and the Lord have similar tastes, they may express them differently. God and Jesus come to a city that sins grievously and curses the name of the Lord. Jesus wants to preach repentance to the sinners of the city and prays that they'll stop their sinful ways. God wants to burn the city to the ground. Both of them detest the ways of these people, but they have different reactions. They have different temperaments, because they are two different entities. But they're both the Lord.
