Is there anyway that the Nazis could've won after they declared war on the USSR? It doesn't seem likely to me as the Soviet industrial might made it nearly impossible for the Germans to hold back the red tide as it came crashing back.
Yes, but inventing atomic bomb. Too bad they scared all of Jewish scientists before.
>>1205406
>Soviet industrial might
Strange way to spell "lend-lease from the USA". Hitler could have won if he'd avoided going to war with the Western allies, which he could have done by honoring the Treaty of Munich instead of revealing himself to be a shameless liar who can't be negotiated with.
>>1205406
If they were better prepared for winter, had more oil (maybe a victory in North Africa) and hadn't bothered with the Case blue, they could have done it. They also could have not massacred the locals and instead used them against the Soviets. Winning wasn't a total impossibility immediately in my opinion, but it's difficult to say what would have been enough to tip the scales.
>>1205443
Winning in North Africa was a hard enough task in the first place. The Germans were fighting for and using what they lacked, and each time they ran out of oil they got pushed right back across the desert.
>>1205406
Win? Probably not, but if Hitler didn't declare war on the United States than they could have at least had an armistice and most likely have kept the Balkans and parts of the Ukraine. The reason the USSR was able to fight so effectively was due to the food they were receiving from the allied forces, which was essential after they had lost the Ukraine.
In the immediate they should have tried two things: take Moscow and/or at least Leningrad.
By taking Moscow they would have crippled the whole railway system of the USSR and by taking Leningrad they could have supplied the North Army Group much better.
In a broader sense:
1) Starting a "war economy" in 1940 or 1941
2) Not treating minorities like shit
3) Not declaring war on the US
4) Issuing winter clothes and making preparations for winter
>>1205465
I know, but the situation could have been different, maybe the UK wouldn't focus on it as much, or they weren't given US tanks.
If they had been able to win against russia more quickly than they would have been able to capture the Russian oil fields to supply their other campaigns.
>>1206217
What a worthwhile contribution to the discussion. Care to elaborate or just keep meming like a retard?
>>1205429
>MUH LEND LEASE
Lend lease was useful to the Soviet war effort by providing trucks to transport supplies and literally nothing else
>>1205406
Only by declaring war on the USSR a year sooner.
>>1205497
Taking Moscow was virtually impossible at the time due to the rail infrastructure at its limit. Germans couldn't fit more troops to attack Moscow at the time. Furthermore, having a full push to Moscow leads to southern flank being threatened by the Soviets at Ukraine, which they managed to encircle with troops pulled from the ones needed from Operation Typhoon.
>>1207174
Nice sources there sovietaboo
>>1207174
Wrong. 40% of tanks used in the defense of Moscow were from the British, as well as 15% of the airplanes used in the cities defense.
>>1205465
It wasn't the lack of oil that caused the DAK'S set backs. Rather their two advances coincided with Brits piling forces out from North Africa or the Med.
>>1207174
And boots, and food, and planes, and steel, and rubber, etc.
>>1211582
Not him, but the Sommnenblume advance was shortly after Churchill gutted the forces in Africa to put troops in Greece, and the 1942 advance was similar, except this time it was areas around India and Malaya that got reinforced with the Japanese entrance into the war.
>>1207174
Ebin Meme my dude but very wrong.
>>1205406
There are two general options :
1) Don´t treat the ethnic groups in russia like shit and start fielding auxilliary armies on a much larger scale (armed with soviet weapons) and grant them their own republics. Also don´t waste so many ressources on the offensives in 42 and 43 and focus on a successfull defense. This just isn´t in the nazi mentality so its unlikely.
2) Bait the soviets into attacking crush their initial offensive and then proceed to assrape the european part of the SU. Problem here is the soviets simply wouldn´t have attacked.
In general: With lend and lease and the other allies in the play its nearly impossible for germany to win.
