> "The Urning you sent me is a very curious thing. These are extremely unnatural revelations. The paederasts [homosexual paedophiles] are beginning to count themselves, and discover that they are a power in the state. Only organisation was lacking, but according to this source it apparently already exists in secret. And since they have such important men in all the old parties and even in the new ones, from Rosing to Schweitzer, they cannot fail to triumph. Guerre aux cons, paix aus trous-de-cul will now be the slogan. It is a bit of luck that we, personally, are too old to have to fear that, when this party wins, we shall have to pay physical tribute to the victors. But the younger generation! Incidentally it is only in Germany that a fellow like this can possibly come forward, convert this smut into a theory, and offer the invitation: introite [enter], etc. Unfortunately, he has not yet got up the courage to acknowledge publicly that he is ‘that way’, and must still operate coram publico‘ from the front’, if not ‘going in from the front’ as he once said by mistake. But just wait until the new North German Penal Code recognises the droits du cul [rights of the arse-hole] then he will operate quite differently. Then things will go badly enough for poor frontside people like us, with our childish penchant for females. If Schweitzer could be made useful for anything, it would be to wheedle out of this peculiar honourable gentleman the particulars of the paederasts in high and top places, which would certainly not be difficult for him as a brother in spirit." (Letter from Engels to Marx, June 22, 1869)
What did he mean by that?
gommunism is not for fags
>>1199450
"Pederasts" are not "homosexual pedophiles". Pedophiles are pedophiles, sexually attracted to prepubescent androgynous forms. Most scientists on the matter agree that for most pedophiles, gender isn't an issue, but that specific form.
Pederasts are men with homosexual inclination, but are not attracted to fully adult males. This is not semantics, but the literal, scholastic definition. And here's the thing, we can not now, nor can we ever, get to the bottom of the issue, ever hope to cure or fix the pedophile, if we keep conflating the issue. One thing is one thing, the other is another thing.
An ephebophile is not a pedophile. Ephebophiles are people with sexual interests generally excluding the adult female form, but to them, there needs to be more than the form of androgyny, i.e. some development of breasts and hips. So neither can we say "ephebophiles are pederasts".
So, the guy simply wasn't as knowledgeable or insightful as you seem to think he was.
>>1199540
>as you seem to think he was.
>implying
>>1199540
Also who gives a shit about semantics, "pederasts" was used to designate homosexuals until like the mid-20th century. In French the word for faggot is pédé , in Russian it's пидapac (pidaras).
>>1199540
Ephebophilia is as bad as pedophilia
>>1199551
Because , contrary to modern conjecture , I would very much like to believe people who harbor thoughts but are not victimizers may eventually be "cured". I have a very real concern we're throwing our hands up in the air with the conviction "there is no cure" because we're not appropriately approaching the conditions as separate issues, but grouping them as a whole under "sexual deviancy".
If we'd done that with viruses and bacteria, and just called everything "sickness" or "malaise", we'd set our understanding back on the matter centuries and it would have been much longer before we found an actual resolve or cure... oh, holy shit, we DID do that. Now we have to stop doing it with psychology.
>>1199570
I understand what you're saying but Engels clearly just means regular male homos. Barking at the wrong tree.
