ITT: Historical figures who seem like they were good people.
How many of these can you name?
>>1195249
Cato, Pompey, Sulla, Cicero, JC, Buddha idk, literally Sulla again, Augustus, Crassus
>>1195249
All of them. The bust of Caligula is pretty shitty tho. Dunno of anyone else who fucked his sisters and wore women's clothing.
>>1195258
>literally Sulla again
kek
>>1195304
How in the hell would be be lawful neutral?
Stoics are neutral/chaotic good.
>>1195304
he'd be Neutral Good
Voltaire
>>1195234
He looks like a jew without the jew nose
Gracchus brothers
>>1195707
idiot
>>1196054
Demagogues abusing democracy to become Emporers? Yeah, gonna have to disagree
>>1195281
>believing in senatorial propaganda
>>1195281
Dunno about fucking his sisters, but Fabulous Elagabalus was worse than Caligula for most of that sort of shit.
>>1195249
Cato Pompey Sulla
Cicero Caesar Pulcher?
Marius Augustus Crassus
>>1195234
>thinking anyone who got to be a Roman emperor or held that sort of power (throughout the course of history) could have been a good person
lol
even the ones you think are """good""" were ruthless people who slaughtered thousands
>>1195249
Cato, Pompey Magnus, Sulla
Cicero, Caesar, ???
Marius, Augustus, Crassus
>>1197857
>that bust
I'd fuck him if he wore a dress 2bh
What would be his alignment?
>>1195249
>crassus is chaotic evil
Giordano Bruno.
Had bit of a mouth on him at the wrong time in history, but would've been cool to chill and have heretical discussions with. :)
Believed in life beyond Earth, was a Pantheist.
Also had wacky occult beliefs involving the egyptians iirc.
>>1198265
was he crucified lol
Wouldpasskidneystonewith/10
>>1198322
He was gagged, stripped naked, possibly had his tongue impaled, and was burned at the stake, in 1600.
Not exactly Machiavellian enough to survive in a shithead society, but his stupid bravery is something I gotta admire in historical figures.
>>1198368
what a rotten way to die
>>1198463
One of the more rotten ways, to be sure.
At least he wasn't around when they did "The Boats" to people.
>>1198368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZmCp7NocMA
>>1198500
I don't think they gave him kindling either, so he didn't suffocate.
Though to be fair he turned away from the cross they shoved in his face, and refused to capitulate or pretend to any belief, at the last minute.
>>1198489
I wonder if ISIS will catch wind of that shit?
>>1198607
It requires too much time, I think.
Those guys are on the run, and usually, batshit insane extremism aside, have a sense of "honor" and so prefer stuff like beheadings, naturally.
Known as the Magnanimous
>>1195249
>Cato in good
Lmao
>>1198794
That's because they went the more time-efficient way of just painting on the pupils and praying that the paint wouldn't fade over time
>>1198794
rome AD, dipshit
learn your history
>>1198783
t. butt blasted Carthagefag
>>1199154
>muh dido
>>1199170
fuck you
>>1199154
>>1199310
This could still be a decent thread.
Pic related. Murderous general aside, Belisaurius sounds like a Bro.
Antoninus Pius, Joseph II, Leopold II
>>1195249
>chaotic good
Move aside, Sulla wasn't even good.
Gracchi bros were the pinnacle of chaotic good, even in fiction you'll have a hard time finding a better example
>>1195249
>chaotic evil
>not caracalla
commissioning only busts and statuary with an edgy scowl should be a clue
>>1201668
the gracchi remind me of a reasonably recent actor, but fuck me i can't place him. i think there's an english or american actor who looks like a third brother
>>1195249
Why when the military loses of Gaius Marius are used to argue that Sulla was greater than him in warfare, do people forget that Marius had one or two strokes at this point? Marius sacrificed his health in preparation for the germanics, yet all people judge him by are the last few years, where his mental and physical health had greatly deteriorated, as a result of him saving the republic
>>1201706
Please remember
>>1195249
>DnD morality chart
fuck you. you ruined this thread
>>1195249
the dress in womens cloth + gang wars clearly makes it claudius pulcher. he was a rabble rouser and the story goes he dressed in womens cloth to sneak into the temple of the vestals to sleep with his sister (or a vestal, i cant remember this point straight at my level of intoxication)
>>1202129
>claudius pulcher
holy shit, how do you know this?
>>1202138
the question is, why can i remember?
>>1202147
hits too close to home huh
>>1202147
>>1202047
>>1202129
>>1201668
>>1201702
friday night drunkenposters are the best posters on /his/
as for the actor, it may be jamie bell, but maybe not...
>>1201702
His father was more evil.
Caesar.
Also probably most of them.
>>1203989
>Caesar
top kek
>>1204017
I'd go as far as to say most of the Borgias were probably genuinely good people.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Nobility has even more energy to foster good intentions.
Also caesar didn't seem particularly bad, had a close connection to his army, and he was a republican through and through
>>1197857
>worse
>>1198265
Cyrus the Great
>>1198607
Not enough water for insects in the areas they control. Further, they haven't much honey I would imagine.
>>1200910
Agreed. Compared to the rest of Justinians entourage he seems practically christlike.
I think (ere) Emperor Mauritius was a good guy. He was probably *too* good, he literally didn't think the Avars would go through with their threat of massacreing 10k soldiers over a figure that the Byzantines simply did not have. He also installed an agreeable Persian emperor and wanted peace in the region.
>>1204055
Caesar was a superb general, but not a good guy and not close to be one.
>>1195448
>Genuinely
>Good
>Person
>>1195234
>ayy, cunt, can I bum a ciggy?
>>1204613
and you base this on what?
>>1205139
His actions?
did nothing wrong and had a badass tattoo
>You will never accompany Herodotus as he travels throughout the ancient Mediterranean and Near Eastern world, observing new cultures and recording old stories
>>1195234
>10/10
would sit down and discuss the wrongs of the Saxons with, while swimming in the fine springs of Aachen
>>1206071
You don't know his motivations.
And his actions benefitted/would have benefitted roma
>>1206442
>springs of Aachen
had to look this up tbqh
>>1195234
>>1195707
He definitely does. Would need bigger ears, though.
Hadrian
Horace
Date Masamune
Agricola
>>1206270
Herodotus was shit. He did shit-all investigation for himself. Most of the stuff he wrote was just stuff he heard from his Athenian buddies.
>>1197920
If they didn't nip rebellions in the bud it would spread and they'd have to slaughter even more later.
Let's assume they did the "right thing", granted them indepenence, gave them 10 tons of gold as compensation and signed a treaty. What makes you think the new state will be more morally righteous than the Romans? They will still practice slavery and oppress the commoners, they will still act to expand their power without regard to morals and chances are there will be another war against them later.
Godfrey De Boullion is a pretty good example of someone who wasn't a horrid person. At least by comparison during the Crusades.
>>1198769
God damn it I just read the Wikipedia article on him and im really sad now that Brazil is such a shithole nowadays.
>>1195249
cato, dunno, sulla, dunno, caesar, dunno, marius, augustus, dunno
>>1195234
>pic related
>>1198769
Greatest South American leader in history
>>1207905
Nice kung-fu grip.
>>1207669
I hate this Machiavellian "for the greater good" approach. It's shit.
>>1201668
mah nigga
Gracchi ftw, was surprised they weren't in OP's post. Just an aside, argument for Cato as good?
>>1202129
Mah nigga read his Cicero and Plutarch. Way to hold it down. However, I think it was he tried to seduce Caesar's wife Pompeia dressed as a woman, not his sister.
>>1195249
Which Roman emperor was worst, Caligula, Nero, or Commodus?
>>1197857
>That fucking pedo 'stache
Pfft.
>>1208336
commodus by far
>>1195234
Not memeing or being edgy but Stalin seems like the kind of person that would have been cool had he been literally anything other than a dictator.
>>1208992
Nigga what? Commodus was not one of the good emperors but neither was bad at all.
At least he fighted in the arena, I would love to see that, fuck. Maybe he was the best roman emperor on one by one fights.
>>1209012
Are you trolling?
Commodus literally did nothing for the empire but waste it's money. And his "one on one" fights were against slaves and cripples.
>>1202129
The name's Cloedius, I always thought. Also I got them all because I'm amazing (and that calligula is really, really shit work for the period - I almost thought it was crisis of the 3rd century tier)
Cloedius is the motive for the famous 'the wife of ceasar must be beyond superstition' remark.
>>1206270
>and making shit up, all the fucking time.
>good
>>1209018
Im not saying he was a good one, not even close, but neither one of the worst.
Still fighting against shitters, he made like hundreds of fights so atleast he had to be very good on 1 vs 1.
>>1209011
He was a rapist and thief before he got involved in politics though
>>1209067
He was easily in the top 5 worst. Caracalla and Cockgobblus are probably the only two who out right beat him at being shitters. Caligula is close.
>>1209107
Dude, what about Honorius for example? sitting in Ravenna while Rome was being sacked numerous times.
You know about how a pile of crap were almost all the emperors of the V?
>>1209107
>Caracalla
What's wrong with him?
Yes, Caracalla was quite cruel. However his cruelty was always a means to an end and he did a great many things to improve the Roman civilization. He was very likely the hardest to live under but also the most productive at the same moment. He changed Rome for the better.
>>1209107
>Cockgobblus
Who? Commodus?
>>1198769
ma king
>>1209011
He laughed at his own son when he failed to commit suicide and called him a failure.
>>1209121
Not to mention the hundreds of usurpers during the 3rd century that ruled during a day before being usurped.
>>1207905
Nah he was a real pompous idiot, who's memory has been embellished by romanticists due to his place in history as the first king of Crusader Jerusalem (even though he barely lasted a month), and his decision to give much of the power to the Church (which was essentially overturned by vastly more competent brother Baldwin I). Part of the reason why he decided to go to Jerusalem was because he'd basically failed as a feudal lord, and he got almost all of his money from blackmailing the Jewish population. He and his men rampaged through Byzantine territory on the road to Constantinople, which was a result of his managerial incompetence, and lack of respect for the Eastern leaders.
>>1209067
There's a reason he always won the colosseum fights, and it wasn't because of his competence. As others have said, he tended to fight against cripples and others, in one case tying a bunch of mutilated War vets together and, after defeating 'it', proclaiming himself the champion of the hydra. He used to ship in hundreds of exotic animals just to sate his bloodlust. In particular, at one point he chopped the head off of a giraffe, which even the Romans considered to be abominable behaviour due to the creature's helplessness. While he tended to spare the people he defeated in the ring, he always killed those that he fought during practise.
It seemed like he was misguided but at heart was focused on what was good for his people.
>>1212620
He was mostly interested in upholding status quo. He was really just a mediocre person without any big dreams or interest about his nation. For good, but misguided people, you can check Gorbachev. You can really see how he tried to do his best for the people but ultimately wasn't that good enough in practical implementation of his ideas of a future.
Snowball will live on
>>1212636
Commie
>>1212672
AH, COMMIE
>>1212684
yeah, but he was a virtuous, well intentioned commie and he knew when to hang it up for the good of his people
Called "le bon chevalier". Even his adversaries liked him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Terrail,_seigneur_de_Bayard
>>1209525
See, he has a good sense of humor
>>1201668
iirc their reforms were meant to preserve order even though they were populares. They felt that they had to reform the land laws so that the roman army remained an army of landed citizens instead of landless vagabonds who were personally loyal to a strongman.
I dunno, I kinda think that Marius was more Chaotic good, though he was a dick later in life iirc.
>>1212788
>iirc their reforms were meant to preserve order even though they were populares. They felt that they had to reform the land laws so that the roman army remained an army of landed citizens instead of landless vagabonds who were personally loyal to a strongman.
You have to look at context, yes, this might seem peaceful, but the notions in their reforms were so offensive to the populares that it send rome into a chaos, a chaos that with a little tough was brought back many times until the fall of the republic, probably had an influence in causing the Italian civil wars and DEFINITELY was the direct precedent for Saturninus bullshit.
What they did was definitely noble, but it was the epitome of chaotic and fuck the rules.
>>1212752
How do you know this?
>>1209066
Stirner claimed to have loved people even though he was an egoist? The man was such a pathetic contradiction.
>>1209107
>Cockgobblus
?
>>1209011
he would purge the shit out of me but I still want to stay up late and watch westerns with him
>>1212788
>meant to preserve order
No, I don't think I've ever seen anyone imply that the gracchi were unaware that they were poking a bees nest with their reforms.
How about emperor Claudius anyone? I mean honest out of all the Julio-Claudians he seems to be the underdog in his portrayal by writers , and his attitudes towards certain classes in roman society show some sort of compassion , heck his attitude to pardoning Caraticus is surprising despite invading Brition. Certainly someone I'd want to meet.
>>1214482
desu I only know him from the books.
>>1214487
Despite this reiteration of him being dull witted and apparently being like crap from his own family. Hes shown to be very intelligent and doesn't show any mental instability like Caligula after all that abuse
>>1198161
Lawful neutral.
>>1197758
> this is what optimates actually believe
>>1212684
Gorbachev envisioned a move away from top-down Soviet communism and a move towards Scandinavian social democracy for the USSR. He ultimately had the right idea for how to liberalise his state, but unfortunately the structural problems of the Soviet Union were far too great for any 11th hour reforms to save and basically he just sped up the inevitable.
Which sucks, too. A powerful, diplomatically-minded 21st century USSR would've been a great counterbalance to the capitalist hegemony of the US and China that we see today.
>>1195249
Crassus is maybe chaotic, but not evil.
