What was the legal basis for sentencing Pétain to death? How can signing an armistice be high treason?
>>1280362
Treason
>>1280362
Legally, he was condemned for endowing himself with the full powers that the French Assembly had voted on him, which is an unconstitutional act (I'm foreign to its true specifics, but that was the legal conjecture by which the french government absolved itself of the crimes of Vichy, by asserting that the rise of Vichy was unconstitutional) and he should've known better than to seize this power.
Also, on a symbolic side, him offering an armistice was perceived as traitorous because it doomed the french army to defeat: for example, more half of the french captures by germans befell the army AFTER he first announced by radio that he intended to sign an armistice. The french morale was broken beyond repair by his intention to sign an armistice.
Anyways, that's how I recall it is.
>>1280362
The Gaullist narrative, mostly.
>We totally won the war ! Vichy was not France !
>>1280448
>hating on the french
>on 4chan
>a website founded by a literal french: Christophe Moute
>a website now owned by a literal french: Hiropierre Nichimurre
Why though?
>>1280362
This >>1280390
I would also add that besides the armistice, it's the fact that Vichy was actively collaborating with Nazi Germany, milicias spilled french blood and it helped with the deportation of a great number of its citizen.
Basically, Pétain was entrusted with the full powers because he was a war hero, but then he betrayed the trust of the Assembly to seek a peace with the enemy - a peace that was clearly motivated by his ideology - and finally, once the peace was established, Pétain started to try to reshape France how he saw it fit and collaborate.
So yeah,losing the war is something, but Vichy is the biggest shame. Pétain wasn't sentenced to death though, de Gaulle changed it for life emprisonnement instead.
>>1280456
>Hiropierre
>>1280362
>What was the legal basis for sentencing Pétain to death?
the same legal basis for everything France did from 1945 to 1963. DeGaulle's blasted ass
I feel kind of bad for Petain honestly.
Vichy was pretty much the legitimate French government for most of the war, while the Free French were a bunch of soldiers and colonials on islands and boats.
Then DeGaulle comes in with
>man we wuz frances da whole time
>>1280491
de Gaulle*
Americans never can into french surnames.
>>1280362
de'galle was lucky he wasnt signing but he always was a slippery froggy fag
>>1280362
Same thing as Nuremberg actually. Pétain was innocent and many French knew it, just like everyone knew everyone at Nuremberg didn't actually commit any crimes. But leaving them unpunished wasn't acceptable for "MUH FEELS".
After the war was over, both France and the allies in general needed a bad guy. The idea that the "real" France was a collaborating* nation was unacceptable, so someone needed to take the fall.
*Though Zemmour doubts this, considering Pétaint helped with the deportation of foreign Jews in order to keep French Jews safe. This is one of the reasons why France had the lowest Jewish casualties of all occupied nations (in fact, more resistance members were executed than Jews) and why it still has the third largest Jewish community in the world.
>>1280484
Don't blame De Gaulle bruh, the political situation simply made it impossible to let Pétain get away. And there's also this:
>>1280464
>Pétain wasn't sentenced to death though, de Gaulle changed it for life emprisonnement instead.
That ass doesn't sound blasted to me.
>>1280643
Committed high treason,ignored the Germans while they were off plaster-bombing cities in the eastern and northern territories of France and causing the death of more than 700000 Frenchmen,he was innocent,sacré bleu.
>>1280491
>>1280643
Pétain was guilty. He took power and used it for his own ends, and then he lost it and France had to be rebuilt according to another plan. He gambled and lost, it's only right to make him pay.
In times of peace it is right to punish according to preexisting laws. In times of war or revolution it is right to punish the losers.
Vae victis.
De Gaulle shouldn't have commuted the sentence.
At least he got off lightly. During the savage purges of the "liberation", communist guerrillas killed hundreds of thousands of people, they basically killed anyone to the right of Lavrenty Beria they could find.
It's quite sad how this democide has been mostly forgotten and how people see the communist guerrilla in France as the "good guys".
