Was he the greatest?
>>1161615
Why not?
>>1161612
The only great thing about him is how much fucking he did.
>>1161612
As my grandpa said: "if you stuck him in a room with a mountain of pain killers, a failed invasion plan of Cuba, and Marilyn Monroe, he wouldn't know which one to do first."
Biggest meme in the history of this country. Mob got him to power, did fuck all and wouldn't even be famous if some communist dipshit didn't kill him spawning 300 conspiracy theories.
Greatest Presidents.
1. Andrew Jackson
2. George Washington
3. Thomas Jefferson
4.Theodore Roosevelt
5. John Adams
The only thing he did was die.
>>1163383
>a mountain of pain killers
Didn't he have some kind of chronic fucked-up condition and had to have his dad pull strings to get him IN the army?
This thread is cathartic for me because I've always thought he was overrated and a gigantic fuck up. Glad to see other people agreeing.
>>1163439
He had Addison's IIRC
>>1163451
>Addison’s disease, also known as primary adrenal insufficiency, is a long term endocrine disorder in which the adrenal glands do not produce enough steroid hormones.[1] Symptoms generally come on slowly and may include abdominal pain, weakness, and weight loss.
Not as fucked as I thought but still not good.
>>1163423
I don;t mind Jackson memery but putting him above Washington is idolatry.
>>1163480
That gives me some mild sympathy for him since my dog had that. He still sucked as a president though. Everything he did with Cuba was disastrous and it nearly blew up the world.
He fucked up a lot, tried to make peace with the Soviets which was a death sin to the military and CIA so they offed him.
I recommend "JFK and the Unspeakable", it's an amazing book.
>>1163502
You're an idiot. He was killed by an accountant who had divested from space industries right before the "We choose to go to the moon" speech.
>>1163523
Well meme'd my property
>>1161612
He's the only Catholic president. So yeah, he's the greatest Catholic president.
>Shifted immigration focus from Europe to Asia and South America
Nope
>>1163439
He was in the Navy
>>1163502
Did his death spawned the most conspiracy theories?
>killed by the Jewish bankers because of FED
>killed by the mob because of some union faggotry
>killed by George Bush because CIA was fed up with him
>killed by Fidel Castro because of American interventionism and the rocket crisis
>killed by the USSR again because of those fucking rockets
>killed by Bobby Kennedy because he was jealous of his big bro
>killed by Johnson because he wanted the presidency
>killed by Nixon and Hoover because I don't even know
>>1161612
>Come from a rich family
>Fuck up a PT boat in WW2
>Someone writes story making him a hero
>Run for president, win
>Get shot in the head
hurr hurr guys greatest president ever
>be Kennedy
>get shot
>>1163656
best president evar
>>1161612
The only particularly great things he did were get us into space and attempt to stand up to the military industrial complex.
And die I guess. That was pretty spectacular. Anyway, the idea of Kennedy is way better than Kennedy ever actually was. The bullet that ended him was probably the best thing to ever happen to his legacy.
He was massively popular, he died massively popular, and his cult of personality will keep him massively popular for generations to come.
What did he do during the Cuba Crisis?
>>1163649
He used his family connections to get INTO the Navy.
That alone is amazing.
Another thing about JFK is that he and his brother supported the Civil Rights Movement and actually read up about it.
He is a meme that created another meme president, but those two events alone are admirable regardless of your opinion on him.
>>1163693
Agree to secretly pull US missiles out of Turkey in exchange for the USSR publicly pulling missiles out of Cuba.
He had to deal with a voting base that didn't want him to back down, the Soviets didn't care that much about domestic opinion.
Still, he did a pretty good job all around.
>>1163674
So basically Kennedy wasn't in office long enough for people to start shitting on him for something.
>>1163753
Basically.
Imagine if Obama died after his second year.
>>1163763
If only
>>1163773
>Biden administration
Euuuuuugggghhh
>he wasn't that even that good of a president
>best president evar! lol just joking he was terrible XD
LBJfags, I swear.
All this Kennedy hate is unwarranted.I'm guessing you all are just ignoring the New Frontier and the shit he was gonna do before he got killed
>>1163777
It'd give you something to laugh at
Kennedy was a rare combination of pragmatist and idealist. He pushed this country in the right directions and inspired us to achieve some remarkable things. He also hated commies but wasn't willing to burn down the world for it so I admire him for that. He also would have kept us out of the shithole that was Vietnam.
I wouldn't call him the best because he wasn't in office that long but he made the country feel good and had the interests of the people not the industries in his heart. I remember sitting down with my 90 year old grandma and her recalling how fondly everyone in the country liberal or conservative admired him and how deeply his death affected her.
>>1163615
>South America
What countries? I thought at that time it was mostly Mexicans
>>1163990
>you will never be so based that Walter Cronkite has to physically stop himself from crying when he announces your death
>>1164144
Dont make me feel like that anon.
well, he didn't back down on Cuba, so that was nice
No, Coolidge was
>>1161612
Getting shot is great for PR.
>>1164144
>>1164852
>>1165160
post rare kennedys
>>1165191
It made him seem wise
>>1165174
>>1165217
>>1165221
>>1165222
>Americans give fashion advice.jpg
>>1165221
nice bobby
I can't believe he was only in for like 2 and a half years. The 2012 election seems like yesterday, I can't imagine assessing the legacy of a victorious Romney if he had gotten capped in November 2014, it seems too short of a time to really be fair or to draw any meaningful conclusions.
He was good, but in this case #1 was in fact #1.
>>1165232
It was a really, really fast paced couple of years.
>>1165232
Just reading into his New Frontier policies and what legislation he passed in that time its remarkable the legacy he left on the US.
>>1161612
That's not Ali
>>1163693
Put nuclear warheads in turkey and invaded cuba, later became butthurt the two communist he alienated exchanged in nuclear proliferation so he ordered every one to shoot on sight which they thankfully didn't follow. Nixon was able to open relations with china but Kennedy couldn't manage to that with the head of the anti-stalin movement
>>1165490
literally incoherent
>>1163487
Putting Jackson, Washington or Teddy in the top 5 is idolatry. They weren't even good Presidents. Washington, if judged by the same standard as literally every other president as he should be, was a horrible president and a sock puppet for Hamilton.
Bad things:
-Bay of Pigs (Eisenhower started this to be fair)
-Directly responsible for US involvement in Vietnam because of his "America's Stake in Vietnam" speech, sent a lot of combat personnel into Vietnam as well so the only thing Johnson could do to escalate the war and finish his predecessor's initiative was properly invade
Pros
-stood up to Khrushchev at Berlin
-handled the Cuban Missile Crisis well, in the hands of many other presidents there would have been nuclear war
OK President
>>1161612
The great presidents are ones who get shot and survive. So no.
>>1165490
>Put nuclear warheads in turkey
Wasn't that Eisenhower?
>>1167305
Indeed he did.
>>1167356
Yeah, since the agreements about deployment were already signed by the late 50s.
>>1163990
There are reasonable people!
>>1165490
>Put nuclear warheads in turkey and invaded cuba
>he ordered every one to shoot on sight which they thankfully didn't follow
Both of these are wrong
>>1167360
>>1167365
Thanks, Have a rare jfk
>>1163480
It caused him to have chronic bouts of severe diarrhea and nausea all throughout his life. It's a wonder he held it together through his time in the White House. I think he channeled his pain into his well known constant drive for sex and adultery.
He was a tortured man. His former white house secretary/ lover recounted that he was still more boy than man and would hound on her like a sad puppy.
Kennedy's administration mostly succeeded because of the men he surrounded himself with, read Camelot's Court by Robert Dallek. Quite fascinating, without Bobby, Adlai, and McNamara his administration would have imploded in his first year.
>>1163990
>He also would have kept us out of the shithole that was Vietnam.
I keep hearing this shit but it's blatantly false. Kennedy was hellbent on continuing the Eisenhower's doctrine and it was during his rule when the military presence in Vietnam started strengthening.
JFK had the right idea about things (spare me the Cuba invasion). I suspect Bobby was the engine. Fucking crazy that they both got did. That was probably the point where the US could have done something about guns. The rest is a chronicle foretold.
>>1167392
>That was probably the point where the US could have done something about guns.
Well let's be glad that didn't happen.
>>1167382
IIRC the combination of the steroids and addisons medication increased sexual drive, thickened the hair, and made the skin appear tanned.
>>1167386
Kennedy had by 1963 a plan to keep only 1,500 personnel in the region to help with supplying the South Vietnamese. He is quitoed a billion times saying its a vietnamese struggle and not an american one. What he sough was only to support which was the right course of action because fuck the communists.
>>1167386
My understanding is that his stance on Nam is up for debate. I suspect it was evolving within his own mind at the time of his death. Please cite a source where the "blatant falsehoods" are shown.
>>1167407
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/vietnam-war/john-f-kennedy-and-vietnam/
>>1163615
It was mostly RFK and Teddy.
>>1163656
A True American Patriot
>>1163693
Almost get us all killed
>>1165369
>what legislation he passed in that time
Please enlighten us on all this meaningful legislation he passed.
>>1161612
Greatest on cam head shot, yeah.
>>1167371
One of them is not
>>1167405
>Kennedy had by 1963 a plan to keep only 1,500 personnel in the region to help with supplying the South Vietnamese. He is quitoed a billion times saying its a vietnamese struggle and not an american one. What he sough was only to support which was the right course of action because fuck the communists.
Fuck what he said and planned.
The day he died we had 5,000 troops in Vietnam and were balls deep in protecting South Vietnam militarily. We were supplting them constantly, and had two fleets off the coast doing sporadic bombardements.
You're probably one of those people who thinks Obama actually withdrew from Iraq and Afghanistan.
>>1167512
Alright a 5 second google search yields:
- Lowering top tax rate from 91% to 70%
- Creation of the Peace Corps
- Raising the minimum wage to $1.15
- Significant investments in education
- Executive orders banning discrimination in housing
- Laid the groundwork to the civil rights act
- Put a man in space and paved the way for a man to go to the moon
- Heavy investments in science
Its all an interesting read if you look into New Frontier policies.
>>1167538
>Lowering top tax rate from 91% to 70%
Meaningless
>- Creation of the Peace Corps
Meaningless
>- Raising the minimum wage to $1.15
Would have happened under Nixon
>- Significant investments in education
Is that why US public universities and primary schools have been plummeting in rankings since the 60's?
>- Executive orders banning discrimination in housing
No power to them
>- Laid the groundwork to the civil rights act
???
>- Put a man in space and paved the way for a man to go to the moon
Eisenhower's achievements did that. JFK did boost NASA. I agree.
But it was a stupid wasteful meme to go to the moon.
>- Heavy investments in science
Statstics don't back that up.
>>1163429
A challenger appears.
>>1161612
no but pic related will be
>>1167700
Stop dreaming and prep the bull
>>1163423
>>1167392
Kennedy wouldn't have liked that.
>>1167559
Its amazing on a history board of all places that people are willfully ignorant of actual history and the implications.
>>1168062
>60 gorillion redshits
Kill yourself
>>1167282
>-handled the Cuban Missile Crisis well, in the hands of many other presidents the world would literally have ended
>OK President
>>1167405
>IIRC the combination of the steroids and addisons medication increased sexual drive, thickened the hair, and made the skin appear tanned.
So he wasn't just a Casanova, he was a medical Casanova!
>>1167490
How does the UK have any dark blue at all on that graph?
>>1167559
>But it was a stupid wasteful meme to go to the moon.
Megaprojects are the best way to unite a divided nation.
>>1168062
>$25 bill
My sides
Sexy as hell. Sexiest since Washington.
>>1167559
>But it was a stupid wasteful meme to go to the moon.
It was worth it just to shit all over the soviets.
>>1169229
>Forgetting about Taft
My husbando
>>1169245
This. Fuck the soviets. USA USA
>>1165221
I'm surprised he could even take that pose considering how bad his back was
>>1169810
Thats RFK
>>1161612
No. He literally died and that's why he's remembered.
>>1169816
Shit you're right. All these Kennedys look alike. Must be the beady Irish genes.
>>1161612
He lead to some world class Gore Vidal bitching, so I'll always thank him for that
>>1167392
>That was probably the point where the US could have done something about guns.
Why should someone not be allowed to own a tool.
He only won because he looked nice and his rival was extreamly sweaty.
>>1166959
I believe you're mistaken. Washington used Hamilton's mouth as a cocksleeve. And Washington set precedents as a President WHILE STILL defending the limits of power of his office, advising Congress not to descend into political factionalism.
>successful Southern planter & slave holder
>grows to see slavery as economically unsound for the future
>privately wishes for the abolition of slavery for a combination of moral, political, and economic reasons
>Becomes first president and is basically given a carte blanche on his powers, despite recently approved Constitution
>Beloved by all citizens and nigh-worshipped as a God of Liberty and War
>AND YET STILL refuses to make slavery a public issue
That's called resolve motherfucker. Washington knew something later Presidents forgot. That the future of the Republic and of the constitutional Federal government rested on that Government staying out of the issue of slavery. He said fuck all to his own personal opinions of slavery and did what was best for the health of the Republic and the Constitution. When future presidents and abolitionists began to see the issue of slavery in exclusively moral terms, and not in political and/or economic ones, they began to attempt to restrict the existence and spread of slavery in post-colonial states, which led to sectional conflict, bitter distrust among the states, and eventual civil war.
Washington = GOD TIER President
>>1168101
>no sources
>>1167559
stop shitposting LBJ
>>1161659
I heard he also had a huge cock.
>>1167533
>Obama actually withdrew
Isn't it better to gradually withdraw your forces than to withdraw them all at once?
And after creating a hotbed of extremism via imperialism, would we really want to leave the good guys (i.e. the non-extremists) in that region unprotected?
>>1167701
The only one prepping the bull is conservatives.
They've spent the past 30+ years sabotaging our government with private sector interests so that they can then point to the government as a failure, and suggest that the private sector takeover the only solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORr-ZAn0dZw
(don't care if you hate michael moore, he is besides the point in that clip)
>>1174557
>that picture
nobody would claim you can get anywhere by, say, shoveling mud for 8 hrs a day, 40 hrs a week.
when people say “work hard and you’ll get ahead” they don’t mean work hard at a minimum wage job that goes nowhere and if you weren’t intelligent enough to pick that up you’ll probably be stuck in such a job forever
if the labour theory of value were true, north korean work camps would make it one of the richest countries in the world
>>1174557
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTcL6Xc_eMM
wrong clip
>>1174560
I don't advocate the labor theory of value. I just notice that even college-educated white-collar workers are vastly shortchanged by the financial puppeteers.
The guy to the left of the fat cat could very well be a programmer.
>>1174566
I don't disagree, to anyone with eyes to see and knowledge of H1B visas its obvious how unbelievably parasitic rootless multinationals can be
I just get massively triggered by dated marxists memes desu
>>1172615
>That's called resolve motherfucker. Washington knew something later Presidents forgot. That the future of the Republic and of the constitutional Federal government rested on that Government staying out of the issue of slavery. He said fuck all to his own personal opinions of slavery and did what was best for the health of the Republic and the Constitution.
You'd be singing a different tune had you been born a slave at the time, Dixie Apologist.
>>1174582
While there are problems with the image I posted, I find it still relevant in many ways today. I just wish the "working class" guy didn't look like a McD's employee.
>>1174557
>>1174560
>>1174566
>>1174582
>>1174589
Have you ever thought about the fact that, if you substitute "multinational corporations" or "big banks" for "the jews", this sounds quite a bit like an argument from the reactionary right?
>>1174601
And?
>>1174601
>people who have huge amounts of money, and openly spend it on lobbying government officials tend to move government policy away from the common good towards their own pockets
>the same as thinking the Juden magically effect every political event and operate as one hivemind
Nigga, there are entire sections of DC dedicated to lobbyists.
If there was a "Jewish conspiracy" quarter of any major town I'd be a little less skeptical.
>inb4 Miami beach
>>1174629
>people who have huge amounts of money, and openly spend it on lobbying government officials tend to move government policy away from the common good towards their own pockets
In other words, AIPAC?
>Sad to see Haaretz propagating tired anti-Semitic canards about the influence of Jewish money on American politics:
>>1174636
Don't get me wrong, the Juden have their hand in the till.
They'd be dumb not to, CAIR is spending a shitload of oil money.
Iran probably would too if it weren't for those pesky sanctions.
Special interest groups are something that's public knowledge, they just rely on the average person being too ignorant and apathetic to do anything.
>>1167282
>handled the Cuban Missile Crisis well, in the hands of many other presidents there would have been nuclear war
the missile crisis became such a mess because of Kennedy in the first place.
