The achievements of this man is remarkable, why does the average person not have some sort of admiration for his work and his reform of the government in France? He managed to turn a country built on a weak Republic into a strong Nationalist Empire by the end of his reign.
Is it because it was 200 years ago?
because no one really understands how great a change the enlightenment and modernisation was since we live in a bizarre theme park version of it where people talk about how all our knowledge systems and culture are natural
>>1155197
no one gives a shit about that manlet fuck lol
>>1155204
woah don't trigger me bro culture is relative
>>1155197
Considering the enormous number of books, films, documentaries, war games and Napoleon societies, I would say that a great many people admire and respect the Emperor.
>>1155197
It's because we live in an English-centered culture. That's all the masses still believe the British propaganda that Napoleon was a manlet.
>>1155346
There's really not that many films
Imagine if Kubrick actually got to make his Napoleon film
>>1155354
I have a copy of Kubrick's script.
It's quite good.
A young Jack Nicholson in the title could have been interesting.
But I must disagree with you on this:
Type "Napoleon" into the IMDB.
>>1155354
That's very true, I've tried to find many Napoleonic films that center towards his life in modern day Hollywood and it is very rare, Documentaries are good but it seems there has been a deficiency on him for about a good forty years.
Also, imagine if Spielberg got to make his mini series about Napoleon.
>>1155197
It hasn't been long enough to realize how influential he was to all of history. Everything got worse after.
In some parts he's a hero. In former Denmark-Norway he's been talked about warmly, there are songs about him traversing the alps etc.
Because strong nationalist empires are badwrong?
More seriously, he literally destroyed the republican values (in the original sense of the word obviously) of the nation that the world's most dominant hyperpower cribbed most of it's notes on governing from. He's at least as much of a living embodiment of what can go wrong with democracy as Hitler is, sans the whole holocaust bit. Don't get me wrong, the man was a damn fine general, but come on.
>>1155428
I'd say he's seen pretty positively everywhere in the world except for anglos who are eternally butthurt about him for some reason. Not even Germans or Austrians think bad stuff about him.
>>1155442
In school, we were taught very little about Napoleon except that he was short, beta as fuck and had a tiny baby dick.
We even had to sit down and watch a 40 min documentary on how Napoleon had a tiny baby dick.
It was awful.
>>1155462
>>1155442
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/french-emperor-napoleon-bonapartes-1-5-inch-penis-revealed-1443190
>"Napoleon was at last defeated by the Seventh Coalition, led by our own Duke of Wellington – whose penis was no doubt enormous..."
>"Knowing in advance that following his death in 1821 his boner part would be preserved for the ages probably wouldn't have helped matters."
Are the Brits this mad they got BTFO 6 times?
>>1155486
Eternal anglo
Eternal butthurt
>>1155197
I respect the guy for being a military genius and for thankfully ridding the world of tons of bogniggers + putting their lands once again under rightful frankish administration, but a lot of the shit he stood for is unequivocally bad and he shit up Europe in a lot of ways.
>>1155197
Nigga got his own Total War, what more do you want?
>>1155537
Napoleon believed in Rosseau's "social contract" in which the state controlled the religious and social function of society. He himself did not personally believe in the concept of a republic ("a republic of 40 million? HA! it is a notion the French people are infatuated with, but like all phases will wear off soon enough") but he did believe in the idea of national sovereignty.
For Napoleon, it was alright to have a dictator or ruler to dominate politics if said ruler had the backing and support of the people. That is why france was the only nation to have plebiscites on constitutions and the nature of Napoleon's government; although the results of the yes vote would not doubt be biased (thanks to Lucien's corruption and vote rigging) Napoleon could measure the amount of hostility to the vote by the number of absent and "no" voters.
It is also why napoleon abdicated the second time; he had lost the battle of waterloo but had plenty of men and arms ready to raise another army. Even his minister of war Marshall devout implored him to overturn the senate and legislative body with the Paris Feodoreres (special Parisian militia). Yet, at Napoleons abdication speech he said "Her (France's) happiness is my only thought...I have sacrificed all my interests for the good of the country".
What and why Napoleon is such a mystifying character is because he effectively blasts away modern stereotypical beliefs of government; he is a modern paradox. A magnificent benevolent dictatorship. When a man is raised to believe anything but democracy is evil people become captivated by a dictatorship that appears to have more democratic principle then even modern free societies today.
More? (Helps me revise for an exam tomorrow)
ask me about napoleon the military revolutionary
Napoleon as the diplomat
Napoleon's reversion to ancient regime monarchy
Napoleon's ambition
>>1155613
>Napoleon believed in Rosseau's "social contract"
Truly the mark of great statesmen.
>>1155631
I must warn you, historiography varies heavily on napoleon's actual political manifesto, but if you look carefully in some of Napoleon's council of state views and his actual actions it begins to appear
>council of state 1802 "The Government is the centre of society like the sun: all other institutions must orbit it"
>Napoleon's radical reform of the Church, allowing him to nominate bishops, making them government employees by assigning them wages, and effectively neutering the power of the Church though his organic articles. Napoleon radically reduced the number of religious holidays and enforced a greater degree of uniformity, he even used religion as state propaganda. In the child's catechism of 1806 "what should we think of those who neglect their duty to the emperor? They are going against the order established by god"
>Napoleonic censorship, the creation in 1803 of the office of censor, the 1810 creation of office of printing and publishing, the limitation of the freedom of press by suppressing newspapers. as napoleon said "do not let the newspapers say anything against me".
>Napoleon's police force, his state prisons, even his conscription system all equally demanded state control and dominance
Napoleon effectively made the state the source of pleasure, speech and action fro the French people, and in doing so radically revolutionised the nature of European states.
More?
>>1155486
200 years and anglos are still THIS much butthurt
>>1155654
I was mostly joking, even though Robespierre was a huge "fan" of Rousseau but things didn't really get to go the way he wanted.
>Napoleon's radical reform of the Church
The concordat is quite important and while normalizing relations again with the Church it was hugely in his favor. How did the Catholic populace responded to this, was it enough to win them over after what happened during the revolution ? Or was he just tolerated as the lesser of two evils ?
>>1155679
effectively, prior to the concordat there was massive civil unrest due to the revolution's attack on religion. During the directory and committee of public safety, the French revolutionary government effectively called all priests who did not agree to the civil constitution of the clergy refractory and supporters of the ancient regime. This initially meant the death penalty and then under the directory mass deportation (around 7000)
Of course, the local communities had a massive revolt against the civil government, actively breaking out refractory priests in their hundreds. In one case in desiere, 700 Frenchman broke into the local jail to free the "monster of jesus christ" the abbe Joseph Mallae. This religious revolt was then being used by the émigré population to fuel their armies and return back to france.
When napoleon becomes consul, nearly every member of the tribune and his army were against the reconciliation of the church. it was seen as the betrayal of the revolution. Yet napoleon realised that "without god, there can be no government", and so set out to achieve the concordat.
Napoleon himself is religiously ambiguous, most of the time he's just religiously pragmatic, using it to control the state "It was by making myself a catholic that I pacified the vendee, and it was by making myself a moslem that I established myself in Egypt." The Young Napoleon had no love for religion, and in his discors sur le bon heur called it "the Soup of all prejudices". Yet, Napoleon still went to the pope, and spent the longest time ever negotiating in all his treaties to achieve the concordat (9 months). He even told the diplomat caulcourt to treat the pope "as if he had 200,000 men, no more." Napoleon was not religious, but he believed and respected the power the Church could wield in service to the state.
Initially, the Concordat allowed the return of all émigré preachers, and ended the religious civil strife within France...
>>1155699
... It also ended the fountain of support the émigré armies had within france. By achieving the concordat, Napoleon lopped off one of the greatest internal threats facing his new regime.
For the people, it was a restoration of order, and once more their local priests could provide sermons supporting the new regime (at the demands of the pope). As Napoleon listened to the bells of Notre dame peeling once more, and his revolutionary general Dumas complaining about "a load of monkish mummery" that it appeared that civil strife had ended for france and religion.
However, as time went on, Napoleon once again began to grow restless about religious practices. he sought not a partnership but a domination or church to the state. Napoleon began banning religious festivities so that "every day was a working day" and only 4 religious holidays remained. Yet, The people of france often ignored these proclamations, and priests often woke up to find their flock waiting in church to receive sermons on previously banned holidays. Equally, Napoleon's control on the church began to waiver by 1809; he assumed that by electing bishops and owning the wages given to them that they would support him, but he often found them siding with the pope on religious matters. In a fit of rage, he ordered the council of Fontainebleau in 1809 removed due to their sympathetic support of the Pope's revolt against new concordats, and the greatest insult came from the 13 black cardinals that refused to attend Napoleon's wedding in 1810 to Marie Louise because it had not been endorsed by the Pope. Effectively, Napoleon brought religious peace back to france to a grateful civilian population, but he eventually failed to dominate it fully through administration or government
The achievements of this man is remarkable, why does the average person not have some sort of admiration for his work and his reform of the government in Germany? He managed to turn a country built on a weak Republic into a strong Nationalist Empire by the end of his reign.
Is it because it was 70 years ago?
>>1155803
Time
Napoleon had a soldie15 years of dominating Europe to change the systems, style and nature of it's government]
Hitler only had 4 years in which society only knew a constant steady warfare.
Now, if Hitler had effectively dominated Europe for another 10 years before toppling, his new system and government may have influenced European society to adapt and evolve. instead, his empire collapsed before any real significant state or societal transformations could take place.
So, when Hitler did fall there was nothing to make him the good guy, no system that could vindicate him. When napoleon fell, the people that toppled him were copying his exact state and social systems, and unfortunately you can't demonise a man you effectively mimicked for the past decade or so.
>>1155815
It was a joke but thank you for taking it apart.
>>1155803
>He managed to turn a country built on a weak Republic
Since when was Nazi Germany built on a weak republic? It was built on a strong empire that was temporarily a weak republic.
>>1155803
It's because he gassen the kikes, mostly
>WE MUST HAVE A REVOLUTION TO RID OURSELVES OF MONARCHY
>I'M THE EMPEROR NOW
t. napoleong
>>1155954
>we must do everything to rid ourselves of monarchy!
>fuck, now everyone's trying to assassinate me because I'm not a monarch
>what Talleyrand? maybe I should become a monarch and stop them sending chouans and washed up generals to try and murder me?
>sure why not, as long as I have the consent of the people and continue on the values of meritocracy, legal equality and controlled voting what's the big deal?
T.NAPOLEON
>he didn't even die in battle
How pathetic can you be? Left to die on an island in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.
>>1155987
>beat the shit out of everyone for a decade and a half
>get deported
>come back and get enough support to raise another army
>lose a battle, instead of raising even more men you simply abdicate to protect and preserve the gains of the French revolution as best you can.
>>1155987
The Seventh Coalition did not declare war on a country but rather on a man.
>this pathetic desu senpai
>>1155437
I've always found it ironic that he was very much the epitome of the 'enlightened despot' that so many Enlightenment thinkers yearned for but that he could only rise to such a position due to the inefficiency of the current republican regime which had itself overthrown the previous monarchy.
He was the perfect blend of the old and new values of France.
>>1155862
do u even Weimarer Republik?
>>1155197
He isn't
Tactics are taught at west point
Frogs consider him a national hero
>>1156329
>DABID! HOW ABOUT WE CAST PETER DINKLAGE AS NAPOLEON DABID, 'BOUT THE RIGHT SIZE ISN'T HE?
>>1156404
>WE NEED A NUDE SCENE DABID, PUT MORE NUDE SCENES SO EVERYONE SEE HIS DICK DABID
>>1156447
>HAVE JOSEPHINE BITE NABLON'S EAR SAYING "TU VEUX UNE GENTILLE AMANTE, MAIS TU AS BESOIN D'UNE MECHANTE CHATTE", GOTTA GET DA VIEWS DABID
>>1156502
>Trying to contain the cancerous /tv/ shitposters.
Good luck with that.
>>1155820
he's probably German and missed the joke
>>1155197
there's already a series on Napoleon, made by the french which is pretty good. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253839/
>>1155197
Because his time is over, we live in Hitlers time now.
>>1155197
He's literally proto-Hitler.
>>1157228
>He's literally Hitler
>>>tumblr
because the eternal anglo does whatever they can to discredit his achievements and tarnish his memory
>>1155486
That's totally unfair. My penis is also like 1.5 inches flaccid but it grows to like 6.5 inches.
I still don't understand how people are so ignorant about this.
>>1159368
The general rule is to remove three inches, sorry buddy.
>more biographies written on Napoleon than anyone else in the world
>disregarded
I want Bonapartists to leave
>>1155197
In the U.S., once we get to the 18th century, our history curriculum kind of switches to focus on American history from then up until the present. And there's not much overlap between the U.S. and Napoleon (or really any significant foreign affairs until the 20th century). I don't know half as much about him as I feel I should.
>>1155736
Good stuff, anon.
>>1155334
>culture is relative
Who is triggering whom here
because he's a little dwarf with a small penis, who gives a shit?
>>1155613
Was Napoleon a competent diplomat? Do you think he could have achieved his ambition through diplomatic means? What were the pros and cons of his reversion of the ancient regime?
>>1156404
>implying Dinklage wouldn't make an excellent Napoleon
>>1156879
>1000 years between Charles and Napoleon
Where were the heroes?
>>1161627
Yes, but he commanded respect and usually made armistices with countries based on threats. He was an amazing commander and threatened many countries, including Milan and the Papal States in the Italian campaign.
American here
I don't usually shit on my own country (even though it's complete trash at the moment), but the teaching of the French Revolution was completely fucked.
We're taught that the French government descended into chaos after the monarchy was overthrown and then France ended up with a dictator, Napoleon.
>>1156879
Genghis Khan is missing. As is Louis XIV, if having two from the same nation doesn't trigger your autism
>tfw it triggers mine
>>1162089
But thats exactly what happened.
>>1163654
>As is Louis XIV, if having two from the same nation doesn't trigger your autism
He pioneed the whole "one country against the whole world and still winning" thing
>>1155354
>There's really not that many films
As far as historical characters goes he's ranked somewhere up in the top 10.
>>1155197
In the US its Civil/slavery, more slavery with a sprinkle of civil war, WW2 and black rights(the prohibition might be mentioned if your teacher is cool, but they don't get to get into how interesting that very brief era was culturally and how it affected the US legally and culturally), and then the 60's-70's.
>>1155334
Sure it's relative. All the dark races' cultures are inferior relative to Eurocentrism.
>>1155331
Funny because Napoleon was of completely average height for his time. There are generally two reasons why Napoleon's "short man syndrome" lives on in today's popular culture:
1: The average Royal-Guard member was of an above-average build, notably taller and wider than the average man of the time, (it was all about intimidation and appearances.) Relative to the guardsman he was always surrounded by, Napoleon was definitely smaller.
2: The British started smear-campaigning propaganda against Napoleon, one of the primary smears were jabs at Napoleon's diminutive size.
Wikipedia: "During the Napoleonic Wars he was taken seriously by the British press as a dangerous tyrant, poised to invade. He was often referred to by the British as Boney. A nursery rhyme warned children that Bonaparte ravenously ate naughty people; the "bogeyman".[226] The British Tory press sometimes depicted Napoleon as much smaller than average height, and this image persists. Confusion about his height also results from the difference between the French pouce and British inch—2.71 cm and 2.54 cm, respectively. The myth of the "Napoleon Complex” — named after him to describe men who have an inferiority complex — stems primarily from the fact that he was listed, incorrectly, as 5 feet 2 inches (in French units) at the time of his death.[227] In fact, he was 1.68 metres (5 ft 6 in) tall, an average height for a man in that period.[note 11]"
>>1155197
Hitler supplanted him in the popular mind. There can only be one crazed conquerer at any one point.
>>1155197
>Why is Napoleon so disregarded in the modern world?
He lost. And he was the good guys. The winners of the Napoleonic wars, "enlightened" conservative monarchies and British banks, wrote history for the next hundred years.
Didn't he get a dessert named after him?
>>1155347
This.
The same reason the Spanish Inquisition and Catholicism gets criticized. A kid in my college thought the Spanish Inquisition killed millions of people, when it was really only a couple thousand at most.
>>1159487
The general rule? Have you been measuring each cock before you wrap your lips around it and suck it?Then do you pause and take out the tape again? Has anyone ever done that? Has anyone done that comparison in a scientific study? God, people were already so annoying erroneously saying "he was a fucking Manlet, now I got to hear this dicklet nonsense too?
>>1168706
No one expects the actual death figures for the spanish inquisition.
>>1159656
Yeah, I did learn a great deal about him in high school and college. In lower grades it was mostly just that we bought Louisiana from him.
>>1159487
Yeah not when it's cold. That fucker will go damn near inverted. Full 6" ready to go.
>>1168706
Sources put it at ~5,000 over a 350 year period
>>1155197
Due to A*glo propaganda.
>>1155925
yeah right
>>1155197
Your average person probably knows at least one thing about Napoleon which is remarkable considering the number of historical figures completely unknown to plebs.
>>1168898
Zyklon B is a particulate, not a gas.
Picture like that medicated talcum powder you put on your balls, except it has cyanide instead of antihistamines.
If it functioned like the hydrogen cyanide gas that the US uses for executions, it would be useless in its original task as a pesticide.
>>1155803
but Nazi Germany resulted in the neutering of German nationalism after it ended, and divided the nation in half.
>>1155442
Don't forget us, the Spaniards. Fuck him, fuck Pepe Botella and fuck Fernando VII "el Felón".
¡Viva la Pepa!
>>1168814
Thank you for the correction. Still well short of Anglo propaganda and it really demonstrates the necessity of reading multiple sources and taking all their measures with a grain of salt
>>1155197
he was a freemasonic proto-communist who laid the foundations for the domination of international jewry
>>1169166
Pepe Botella was objectively better than any spanish monarch of the 19th or 18th century, though. Specially better than Fernando VII. And he was not even alcoholic, he didn't drink, the botella thing was just spanish shitposting.
And La Pepa was basically a constitution with the same ideology of Napoleon+official catholicism.
>>1161671
His accent is absolute shit, so there's a problem.
>>1155437
Napoleon saved the revolution you fucking burger
You have a deluded vision of "democracy" that simply did not exist at the time. You also seem to forget how wonderful this ""democracy"" was before Napoleon took charge.
Don't deny it, Napoleon saved France and saved the revolution by putting in place laws and ideas that would live on to this day.
>>1168804
>Hitler
>Great
kys
What books should I read I'd I want to get better grasp on Napoleon, his ruling policies, and such, and his wars?
Napoleon III > Napoleon I
Fact.
>>1170455
He lost in the first war he fought, he is not superior to Napoleon Bonaparte.
>>1170427
Napoleon, a life
>>1170467
France won the Crimean War
>>1155204
very aptly put my friend, that's a beautiful way of looking at it
truly testament to the infinite adaptability of the human brain. a person conditioned to dry, mostly empty medieval peasant life would probably go into shock if they were to be transplanted into our time and attempted to integrate
>>1155803
Most accomplished man of the 20th century, maybe second or third of all time.
In a few centuries I don't think people will have a large aversion as they do now
>>1169932
>From an innkeeper's son to the most powerful man in the world
>>1170498
>most powerful man in the world
>kills himself in a hole in the ground because literally the entire world is crumbling in on him
>>1170502
Well he was, if only for a few years.
Not a bad end all in all, he would've been hanged by the Soviets or something
>>1170508
He would have been locked in a cage and paraded around Red Square
His corpse would have been embalmed like Lenin to mock for all eternity
>>1155613
>Good and decent people must be protected and persuaded by gentle means, but the rabble must be led by terror.
One of his best thoughts.
>>1170502
>suicide is an ignoble death
I'm sick of these Germanic memes, when is Rome coming back?
>>1155462
>short
He was relatively average height, but had a bodyguard of people who were 5'9 or taller (grenadiers) no?
>>1170630
But he only took the cyanide pill in case the bullet failed.
And Hitler WAS the most powerful man in the world, stalin controlled the USSR and pretty much nothing else, Hitler directly or indirectly controlled most of continental Europe, northern Africa and most of East Asia
>>1170656
>just the USSR
>Most of continental europe
he had a tenuous grasp on a minority of central europe and france, most of which were puppet states fighting partisan uprisings. Italy was his ally, not his vassal. Japan was likewise allied and on the other side of the fucking world, you really think he held much sway in fucking tokyo? and Rommel was insurbordinating him left and right in north africa.
Hitler was nothing special, he was an emphatic and charismatic figure that rode the wave of restlessness in an entire population.
>actually glorifying the retard that fought a war on two fronts, one against the russian winter
ayy lmao
his "power" could do literally nothing from it all folding in on him. even if he theoretically conquered britain, there's no way he could've stopped Stalin. Or the states.
>>1170705
Mussolini was his bitch as the war dragged on, but I admit that he was a stranger to most of Japan.
Yes, he was a tactical and strategic retard, but calling him "nothing special" is blatant historical illiteracy
>>1170717
Mussolini was independent, Hitler never dragged Mussolini into anything, and the fact that you are lying about such is quite disgusting.
>>1155197
Napoleon was defeated. History is never kind to the defeated.
>>1171389
I know what you mean Anon, I know exactly what you mean...
>>1171507
>>1155197
BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK!!!!
He's not lol
Because French.
Nobody cares about French shit.
>>1173644
>Joan of Arc
>Franco-Prussian war
>Gaul
yeah no one cares
>>1175456
Nobody even knows about any of those things except Joan of Arc, who is only famous because she's possibly the most incredible character in all of history so it's hard to ignore her, and even she is typically reduced to a schizophrenic "glorified cheerleader".
Famous French people:
- the midget tyrant
- the crazy cheerleader
That's it.
because he is a bloody frog, sir
>tfw cgi wasn't good enough when these shows were being made to do the battle scenes justice
>>1175603
France and England are the two most relevant nations in the world famalam
>>1175660
>implying you need cgi for good battle scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vlcuvrM1po
>>1155197
>why does the average person not have some sort of admiration for his work and his reform of the government in France?
Are you a new born baby or something?
>>1162089
I understand now why americans on this board are so obnoxiously stubborn about proving me that the revolution was a satanic bolshevikojew conspiracy
>>1156879
I love how 4 of those 5 have eagle insignia
>>1176080
>implying
>>1175852
More like England and America. Then Germany, Italy, Russia, China, Japan, India, Scotland, Spain...
>>1162089
>France ended up with a dictator, Napoleon.
if you mean "universally beloved leader who fixed everything the revolution broke" then you were taught right
>>1175645
Dick had a hard life
>>1156329
So who are they gonna blackwash? Gotta get those progressive points
>>1176992
this post is either bait, irony or pure stupidity and im too tired to tell which
>>1155347
He was a manlet. It's just that everyone else in the time period was a manlet too.
>>1155354
don't remind me
now I wanna shoot myself
>>1177175
My bets are on Michael Ney.
>>1155197
the eternal anglo does not forgive
>>1177175
Dumas is going to be a central character.
>>1156879
>No Isabella of Castille / Charles V, both of whom had more territorial gains than anyone in that image
shit list
>>1177675
Nobody cares about France because it's just boring. Culturally just a faggy version of England, and historically it can easily be just ignored. You can't ignore countries like England or Germany or America.
>>1180146
Why are you even on this board
>>1180148
I'm just telling you the truth. Any historical importance France had has been erased from popular culture. A thousand years from now people will still know about England, America, and Germany, but nobody will remember France.
Pic related, a random example from the last few days. Battlefield 1, a game which will define WW1 in the eyes of a generation.
>>1180146
This is a history board my dear retard
If you think french culture and history can be "dismissed" then you're absolutely clueless
>>1180156
>he judges historical importance on video games that are the definition of historically unaccurate
://///////
am i being trolled?
>>1180156
The most famous battle of the war, basically its symbol, took place on French soil, this is not even up for debate.
Regardless, a video game board might be better suited to your taste.
>>1180156
>this will get serious replies
Oh /his/.
>>1180164
I'm judging pop culture on a prime example of pop culture.
This is WW1, a war that was 80% fought by France on the Western Entente side. And yet in the minds of the overwhelming majority of the world it's now a war between Britain/USA and Germany. If France can be erased from events it played a central role in, it can be erased from everything.
Tbh I'm not entirely sure if France will be completely forgotten though. It might be remembered as that country of useless cowardly pussies that had to be saved by Anglos all the time. The comic relief character of history.
>>1180168
You mean the Somme? That battle where the British defeated the Germans?
Because nobody outside of France will remember Verdun, unless it gets rewritten as an Anglo victory.
>>1180177
Do you know how many books, films, songs and video games and friggin' comic books were made involving the French side in the Great War?
>>1180177
who cares what people think, most of them don't even know what happened before WW2
france will always remain, in the eyes of the educated, the most important nation of history alongside great britain
>>1180185
Other than maybe French ones? I can't think of a single one. I can think of plenty about the British and Americans though.
>>1180177
Nice data you got there
>>1156879
Charlemagne and Hitler do not belong in this picture.
>>1180188
>who cares what people think
lel, do you know how history is written?
How much do we know of ancient kingdoms? At best some kind of stereotypical idea, like democratic Athens or militaristic Sparta, usually nothing at all.
England will be remembered as brave warriors and brilliant scientists, who conquered the world and brought it into the modern age.
America will be remembered as England's successor, but braver and more idealistic, more vigorous still.
Germany will be remembered as the main antagonist, badass warriors who tried to conquer the world but narrowly failed, faced with the combined power of England and America.
Russia will be remembered as the next antagonists, a terrifying technocratic empire.
Italy will be remembered as the home of art and great food.
Spain will be remembered as those who conquered the New World and left their mark there forever.
France... will at best be remembered as a second-rate Italy, though history has no use for bad copies. More likely it will be the weak cowardly country, or nothing at all.
>>1180202
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme
11,250 words
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun
16,557 words
>>1180213
>the weak cowardly country
Yes but not in a cute and adorable way, in an "arrogant insufferable shits so everyone is glad each time they get their useless cowardly asses kicked for comic relief" kind of way.
That's the only thing France might go into history as: the butt of all the jokes.
>>1180190
So you're saying people are more tuned to their own national history? That is very insightful.
>>1180233
And world culture is defined by American and British culture, so it's Anglo national perspective that is becoming the global one.
Of course you might think French people at least would still remember France, but you'd be wrong, they don't have enough national pride to even teach French history to their children in school anymore.
>>1180312
It's exactly what this thread is about. Had he been British or German, Napoleon would have been remembered for eternity.
Unfortunately he was French, so at best he will forever be nothing but the uppity arrogant midget dictator who got his shit slapped. A punchline in the running joke that is France.
>>1180258
And in 200 years we'll be learning about Chinese/Arab/Martian national heroes. This is still a far cry from your original point about French history being trivial.
>>1180365
lol no, American culture won and united the globe in the information age, it will be almost impossible for another culture to dislodge it in the not too distant future.
But if and when a new culture does replace it, you think they're going to rehabilitate France? lol. They'll just go by existing memes. France will forever be remembered as what America decided it was.
>>1180371
Does anyone speak Greek? Latin?
By the way, the biggest English-speaking civilization outside of Europe is India, and it exists due to Britain and not the US.
>>1180379
I don't even understand what points you're trying to make.
If you're trying to say Greece and Rome are irrelevant, literally all the perceptions we have of ancient kingdoms and peoples come from Greek and Roman memes. Herodotus wrote a story once about how every woman in Babylon was a literal whore, and this is commonly accepted as fact today.
>>1180385
I was obviously referring to your first paragraph about the perpetuity of American culture.
By the way Greek sources are important because they are some of the few which survived, not because Greece was exceptionally strong. Unless a huge disaster wipes out all non-US history books I don't see them having the same fate as the non-Greek sources of ancient times.
>>1180399
Disasters certainly happen, but more likely people just won't care enough to go research the truth about every random ancient country. People will know the stories of the great achievements of Britain and America, and of their wars against Germany, because that's what the overwhelming majority of sources will mention, and that's what will have entered the public consciousness. If France is remembered at all, it will be as synonymous for cowardice. Maybe one day some extreme history autist will do in-depth research and write a book about how as it turns out France wasn't as much of a pathetic piece of shit as everyone thinks it was, and nobody will care.
Culture is made of memes, and France lost the meme game.
>>1155204
Please do expand and explain in greater detail good sir
>>1155486
this happens every single time.
just check hitler - every time someone manages to wreck the shit out of the ugly mouths and eventually lose to the world - once they're really dead this kind of propaganda appears as a pathetic way to make it look less appealing (along with major changes in the actual historical events/a big load of history revisionism)
>>1155197
>Why is Napoleon so disregarded in the modern world?
Is he? I read a while ago that there has been on average one book written about Napoleon for every day since his death.
>>1155197
warlords are shit. only if they are good statesmen or good thinkers they will gain respect among intellectuals.
>>1155803
>Looking at Napoleon through the Hitler lens
get out
>>1184076
He was a good statesmen and respected by intellectuals while also being one himself. Intellectuals such as Kant and Goethe were big admirers.
>>1184076
>calling napoleon a warlord
I can smell the anglo all the way over here
>>1155437
Moron alert
>>1180432
Except what you described isn't culture.
Culture-wise, France is higher up than the brits are likely to ever be.
Mass-culture, the now traditional lowest-denominator culture of the US, isn't culture.
>>1186522
Culture is a spook you idiot
>>1186522
What language are you speaking right now?
That's culture. Nobody cares about "quality".
