So who really was the founder of Roman Empire ? Caesar or Augustus ?
>>1150919
Jesus
>>1150923
J-E-S-U-S... that's not how people generally spell Caesar :^T
>>1150933
Is Yeshua better?
>>1150919
Caesar of course.
>>1150953
Closer. Still missing the C, second A, and R.
>>1150919
implying it's not sulla
Depends what you mean by the Roman Empire.
If all you mean is a wide-ranging group of territories and cultural groups administrated directly or indirectly by the Roman government, well that shit predates either of the two and dates back probably to the late third century BC when Rome started to swing its dick all over Carthage, Macedon, and the Seleucids and gain client states in the eastern/southern Mediterranean. In that sense there wasn't any one founder in particular.
If what you mean is when the first guy held unlimited supreme power over the state such that he could have been called emperor, Marius and Sulla had both done that before Caesar came along and there isn't really much exceptional about the way Caesar did it.
If what you mean is the first guy to be called emperor as such, that's Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus.
If what you mean is when Rome's territorial boundaries for the remainder of its unified existence pretty much coalesced, that's Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus.
>>1150919
Caesar started the process but Augustus actually finished the consolidation of power.
>>1150919
Aeneas
>>1150919
Why Caesar Augustus of course
Well, it was the first emperor and not the dictator.
>>1151091
>scrub faggot like Marius
>supreme power over the state
Historical literacy in the time period should be required before posting in a thread.
>>1150919
Sulla - Julius - Octavian
Very much all three.
Julius came up with the idea but was prevented from implementing it by his death; Augustus fulfilled the idea. Julius made the cake and baked it, Augustus ate it. with great finesse.
>>1150919
The Roman Empire wasn't really "founded" the old governmental institution was simply overruled by a new one
What I'm trying to say is that the Roman Empire is the Republic just with a new inner working
>>1150919
Brutus
>>1150919
No historian thinks that Caesar founded the Roman Empire. Augustus founded the Principate and ergo, the Roman Empire. Caesar just happened to assume dictatorial powers.
>>1150919
Augustus. He's the one that formulated the office of Princeps and held power long enough to see the position solidified.
Caesar took control and instituted some necessary reforms, but when he died Rome plunged back into the civil wars he and his predecessors were fighting.
>>1153395
Not a king, merely a first citizen.
;^)
There is no such thing as the Roman Empire. Rome was a republic until its fall.
>>1153764
Well having a Rex in name was anathema to all Romans, given their history with them.
>>1153802
REEEEE FUCKING SENATORS
FUCKING VESTIGIAL SHITS REEE
>>1150919
I see paper rolls in the picture, Did Roman have papers back then or what ?
>>1153799
Sulla called, he wanted to know what the weather in Carthage is like
>>1153823
>let me ignore the part where Marius took power in Rome after ending his exile with his son
>let me ignore the part where Marius totally revolutionized and modernized the Roman Army that would enable it to be one of the greatest superpowers in world history for the next five centuries
>muh Sulla
Romulus :^)
