>LOL, MCCARTHYISM AMIRITE GUYS?!!
Except this film and a lot of liberal pro commie stuff that has been declassified has proven McCarthy was right.
At this point they've gone from "THEY WERE NOT COMMUNISTS STOP MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS" to "They were Communists, so what? There's nothing wrong with that."
Reminds me of "BILL CLINTON IS A DEVOTED HUSBAND AND A GOOD CHRISTIAN MAN AND THESE FALSE ACCUSATIONS ARE A RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY" to "lol it was just a blowjob who cares, stop being such a prude."
About a month after Obama leaves office I expect him to say he actually was born in Kenya but he felt the law was discriminatory so it was his duty to disobey it.
>>1132758
>this thread again
I love how you use the same pic every time
>>1132758
>liberal
>pro-commie
The 'ol "everything left of me is far left" viewpoint
>>1132758
If you were so buttblasted by that movie, why didn't you go watch the "Hail, Caesar!" (2015), which made fun of communist sympathizers in Hollywood?
>>1132758
The whole Cold War was nothing but a retarded chess match between paranoid fat americans and paranoid fat russians. America won the Cold War yet only 25 years later and everything is absolutely fucked and getting worse. Communist Russia was never the problem.
I'm not sure how OP expects us to respond.
>>1132758
>its a /tv/ shitpost transported to /his/ episode
>>1132758
People on /tv/ might fall for this obvious bait. Go back there faggot.
>>1133565
But people here seem to be falling for it as well.
>>1132782
Hail, Caesar! was based. Finally a movie that made fun of "the golden age" of cinema, but without the "people were so conservative and misogynist back then, awful" stuff you get in Family Guy and Mad Men.
>>1132758
>liberals are communists meme
Ever fucking time. Just take the cyanide pill, lad.
>>1133691
>Ever fucking time. Just take the cyanide pill, lad.
>>1132786
>America won the Cold War
kek
>>1133691
he literally tells his little daughter that people who share with the less fortunate are communists
>>1133787
*tips fedora*
>>1133601
>George Cuckney
"No."
>>1133799
>becoming the sole surviving superpower, and thus becoming world hegemon, isn't winning
forty keks
>>1134354
>economy collapsing and debt increasing
>quickly becoming a bigger welfare state than the USSR was
>>1134362
modern Russia's economy is dwarfed by Italy and they're barely held together by an authoritarian manlet, who in their right mind would consider that "winning"?
>>1134362
>economy contracting slightly due to interest rate hikes while remaining largely stable is 'collapsing'
>muh debt
>muh welfare state
t. no knowledge of macroeconomics
>>1132758
McCarthy was doing literally the same shit CSI and FBI were doing before he started to rave on about it, except now KGB knew what traits to avoid when looking for new agents.
>>1132758
>accused George Marshall of being a commie
>never actually produced his list of names
>lol he was totally right guys!
Why are Mccarthyfags so deluded?
>>1134371
The cold war wasnt Russia vs USSR, it was socialism vs liberalism and free capitalism vs planned economy.
I'd say each camp got one victory, and the score is 1:1.
On the geopolitical stage, NATO beat USSR decisively, and thus USA beat Russia.
>>1134380
>put "muh" in front of opponent's arguments
>act victorious
Ah, I see you went to the /pol/ school of debate.
>>1134408
No, I'm just rightfully dismissive of people who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. There's nothing inherently bad about welfare capitalism or deficits/debts, and in the US neither of them have begun to cause problems. The debt might eventually become an issue, but currently it isn't really a cause for alarm. And the economy is nowhere near 'collapsing,' it's experiencing some minor growing pains as we ramp down the measures put in place to soften the recession. You didn't deserve a serious response, because your post was idiotic.
>Money claimed that media response to the exposé was due to right-wing media bias and "the antifeminist movement." He claimed his detractors believed "masculinity and femininity are built into the genes so women should get back to the mattress and the kitchen."
>>1133800
>implying you could explain a complex socioeconomic system to a 5 year old
>implying liberals actually want to share anything
>>1134362
>debt
>mattering
>>1134474
Is this the pedophile who tried raising a boy as a girl and it fucked with his brain so much he killed himself?
>>1133799
America may have one the geopolitical conflict, but it is definitely losing the ideological war.
>>1133818
He plays a empty-headed actor who had gay sex in exchange for his big break, who converts to communism until a Catholic detective literally slaps sense into him.
>>1135708
It doesn't matter what the movie is about, if it has George Cuckold I refuse to watch it.
>documents declassified prove McCarthy was right
Apparently there's some state law in Texas or some damn place that makes this required to teach in public schools.
Even though it's wrong.
There were documents declassified from the Soviet Union showing that there had been spies operating in the United States.
None of them were any of the people McCarthy was investigating. Furthermore, there was never any doubt there were Soviet spies operating in the U.S. That was never an issue.
>>1132782
Do you really expect Jewish filmmakers do depict communists as the bad guys?
"Hail, Caesar" actually makes fun of anti-communists by depicting the whole communist conspiracy as overblown and cartoonishly. It's message is basically: "See, this is what those dumb goyim actually believe that happened".
>>1135728
Why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOFwpLIBM8c
>>1133691
When Alger Hiss was accused of being a Soviet spy, liberals didn't believe because they saw him as just another typical liberal.
If they can't tell the difference, it's because they are really just the same shit.
>>1135756
>>1134402
Maybe George Marshall wasn't a card-carrying communist, but he cartainly sympathized with and represented communist interests in East Asia.
>>1135756
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Belfrage
>At the height of McCarthyism, Belfrage was summoned in 1953 to appear before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC).
>In 1995, the decrypted VENONA intercepts—a project between the US and British intelligence services to decipher Soviet wires — were made public. United States intelligence has alleged that Unnamed Codename Number 9 (UNC/9) was Belfrage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Karr
>In 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy referred to Karr as Drew Pearson’s “KGB controller”.
>After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992, in the new atmosphere of openness, Soviet investigative journalist Albats published an article in Izvestia quoting documents from KGB archives that Karr was “a competent KGB source” who ‘‘submitted information to the KGB on the technical capabilities of the United States and other capitalist countries.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Coe
>Called before the HUAC (chaired by Congressman Karl Mundt), Coe denied under oath having ever been a member of the CPUSA.
>A recent investigation into the KGB archives claims that files show Coe to have been a Soviet agent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauchlin_Currie
>the United States refused to renew his passport in 1954 due to the McCarthyism atmosphere in Washington, DC.
>He appears in the VENONA cables under the cover name 'PAGE', and in Soviet intelligence archives as 'VIM' and as a source for the Golos and Bentley spy networks.
>write an anti-war novel because the Soviet Union is allied with Nazi Germany and the Communist Party doesn't want the U.S. to join the war
>receive correspondence with other anti-war Americans, including right-wing isolationists from America First
>as soon as the Nazis invade the Soviet Union, withdrawn your own novel from publication and start agitating for U.S. entry in World War II
>denounce isolationists who corresponded with him to the FBI
This guy is a hero for liberals and Jews.
It tells you all you need to know about left-wing and Jewish morality.
>>1133799
>muh Yuri Bezmenov
>actually believing that the KGB single handedly subverted American culture
>>1135847
>anti-semite
>morality
pick only one
>>1135853
If you told Americans, even the
Birchers, in 1960 what "winning" U.S. would look like in 2016, they would desire surrender to the Soviet Union as the best choice than what "victory" looked like.
Specially considering how communist countries like Poland and Hungary actually managed to preserve their culture and traditions, unlike Western countries.
>>1135862
There's nothing immoral about hating kikes
>>1135862
I'm not anti-semite, I'm anti-communist. Since all Jews are communists, I end up disliking them, but not because they are Jews, but because they are communists.
>>1135862
>being anti-semitic automatically makes you immoral
>>1135882
>Specially considering how communist countries like Poland and Hungary actually managed to preserve their culture and traditions, unlike Western countries.
That's the fucking point. Communist infiltration didn't ruin America; Capitalism did.
>>1135946
Explain how East Asian countries are able to keep their traditional cultures intact even though they are hyper-capitalist.
>>1135959
They are facing the same problems: population decline, "herbivores", social alienation etc.
>>1135959
>keep their traditional cultures intact
Like who, North Korea? lol.
>>1132758
>About a month after Obama leaves office I expect him to say he actually was born in Kenya but he felt the law was discriminatory so it was his duty to disobey it.
- He was born in US
- Even he wasn't, he wouldn't say it. There's prison for this.
----
Anyway, the law is stupid. There are tons of people born in US that lived less than a year in US then leaved (due to another stupid law, they are US citizens). So, those "citizens" [many don't even speak english] aren't allowed to become a US President?
>>1136151
No, they are not. You need to have lived in the United States for 14 years to be president. Whether that means 14 consecutive years or 14 years total is up for debate but has thus far not been an issue that has come up.
>>1135882
Poland and Hungary did, but USSR didn't.
>>1135890
"All Jews are communists" citation?
>>1132758
It's this guy again.
>>1136151
>leaved
opinion discarded
pls graduate from high school before you post here
>>1132758
>unironically being a birther
good job completely invalidating your opinion OP
>>1135831
This will be ignored, as the evidence always is in /his/ threads.
>>1134402
>never actually produced his list of names
That what happens when it's a list of names that was produced by the efforts of a top secret investigation program that he was sworn to secrecy about, acting in his role as the senator responsible for its oversight.
Showing the contents of the list would be revealing classified information that he took an oath to not do, and it would ruin the years of work by the people who worked on the project.
>>1132786
t.Sheltered millennial who easnt even alive during the Cold War
>>1136987
If you cast a net wide enough and with holes small enough you can catch every single shrimp in a body of water.
It's the issue of you catching and high chance killing every other marine life asides from shrimp that is the issue.
Also they would've caught that list of people either way.
>>1135219
Are you a neo chartalist? MMT?
>>1135219
you're in the /his/ thread, so go read about Ancient Roman History from around 200BC up to 400AD
Then tell me that debt doesnt matter
>>1137282
You think that is an analogous comparison?
>>1137303
a continuous demographic decline which contributed to a debt deflationary spiral, that caused several waves of political strife that caused even more debt in welfare programs and a growing military complex (in part due to said political strife).
This later caused continuous currency devaluations that caused a legitimate collapse of roman economy
yeah, it is a currently analogous comparison. By the looks of it, it'll keep being an analogous comparison for the next couple of centuries
http://www.roman-empire.net/articles/article-018.html
http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.pt/2011/06/debt-deflationary-crisis-in-late-roman.html
>>1132758
>"They were Communists, so what? There's nothing wrong with that."
But that's right.
>About a month after Obama leaves office I expect him to say he actually was born in Kenya but he felt the law was discriminatory so it was his duty to disobey it.
That would be great too.
>>1137377
>But that's right.
>being tolerant of fifth columnists
You need a helicopter ride from mi General.
>>1135805
>Why
Autism.
>>1137123
>If you cast a net wide enough
Except he wasn't just casting a net, maybe the HUAC did, which he had no control over, but he was referring to a list put together by a group of trained agents in both the British and American governments, who were investigating communist & Soviet subversion of the US and Western nations.
>Also they would've caught that list of people either way.
Not when he started looking into high ranking US officials, the FBI and other federal security agencies. That's when he started getting fed false information from them in an effort to discredit him, and journalist who are now known to be part of the FBI's COINTELPRO program suddenly started slandering him in the media. He was going against people in the government who had more clout than him and his hands were tied by not being able to reveal the evidence to the public. There was no way he could win, when his own government was essentially working against him and be had no way to convince people below his security level because he would then be charged with revealing classified information.
He had evidence that his own government was potentially full of foreign agents and those loyal to foreign governments, who were working towards his country's downfall, and there was nothing he could legally do about it. That has to severely weigh on someone in his position.
>>1139577
Also, people forget or are not taught the fact that the 50's and 60's red scare was not the first. Just thirty years earlier, there was the first red scare in the US, when socialists and anarchists from Europe were doing shit like forming political gangs to fuck with people, gunning down policeman and bombing Wall Street.
The "red scare" and "McCarthyism" didn't just spring up out of thin air to prosecute poor, innocent communists, they were responses to threats that had been an issue since right after WW1.
McCarthy was pretty much forced into revealing the list, he didn't want to reveal his data until he could prove it but the mongs in charge demandes he did and that caused him being villainised
>>1134371
Isn't like 50% of Russia's economy with the Russian Mobsters?
>>1137712
Pinochet was himself a fifth columnist albeit for a different regime you dumbfuck.
>>1137712
Being a communist =! Being a fifth columnist
Marxists ala Adorno, Horkheimer etc. were as critical of USSR as they were of US and 3rd Reich.
>>1137088
It's also what happens when the entire story is bullshit that he made up so that he could climb the political ladder. We're talking about Joe McCarthy here, who lied about being a combat vet when he really spent the war in a cushy desk job so that he could get elected in the first place.
>>1139688
>I know a list of communists in every part of our government
>okay, prove it or STFU
>o-o-kay
>when the list is revealed, it's obvious he didn't have a shred of real evidence
>right wing polemics still white knight you because they lack a sense of shame like people have
>>1139787
The really good mobsters became billionaire oligarchs.
Those guys have been the real power since the Yeltsin era.
>>1136214
Bolshevik Communism, Marx was ancestrally Jewish. It's not even a joke at this point.
>>1132758
>thinking left wingers are commies
So I should that all right wingers are facists.
dont be stupid.
The times are a changing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5MGhgGDhnWg
>so butthurt about McCarthyism, they make kids study The Crucible to this day
>>1132758
>About a month after Obama leaves office I expect him to say he actually was born in Kenya but he felt the law was discriminatory so it was his duty to disobey it.
1) why would Obama ever want to publicly prove Trump right
2) How are you seriously a birther, pick a valid criticism of the Obama admin., there's plenty available.
3) pic related
>>1142479
It was Hillary who came up with the Kenyan Obama theory, Trump just jumped on the bandwagon. Weird how people forget that.
>>1135831
You BTFO of him so hard he stopped replying altogether, good job.
>>1142483
not a hillarite fan, but:
>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/
>It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.
>The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.
>Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.
>We rate this claim False.
>>1142548
Not her "supporters", but her staffers. Look it up.
>politifact
lmao
>>1142483
>weird how people forget something that isn't true
>>1142548
Going by this standard, basically no political attack could ever be linked to any politician. No successful politician would ever let themselves be implicated directly in that kind of attack, but you can be your ass they're involved unofficially or hired someone they know would make that attack.
>>1142563
> source
> lmao
I hate when people play this rhetorical game of "No matter what ya heard its shite lol"
Maybe you have a bone to pick with politifact because I'm not the first person to use it to rebuke your bullshit.
>>1135831
>4 people out of the hundreds that were victimized by McCarthy
>>1142394
No it is a joke, you're retarded.
>>1132786
>Communist Russia was never the problem
So, the Jews then. Just say what you mean man
>>1134446
>There's nothing inherently bad about welfare capitalism
Except for the permanent underclass of welfare niggers those policies created. Are you blind as well as retarded
>>1134446
>The debt might eventually become an issue, but currently it isn't really a cause for alarm
Do yourself a favor and don't ever get a credit card or take out a loan of any kind.
>what is cause and effect
>what is linear progression of time
>what is continuity of existence
>what is TANSTAAFL
>>1135887
3000 years of the exact same complaints about jews. Lying treacherous neopotistic ethnocentric disgusting people who won't integrate, will stab you in the kidney if they think they can get away with it and hate and fear the very people who welcomed them with open arms.
3000 years. Exactly the same attitudes towards them. Consistent as clockwork.
No, no, no. It's completely irrational. Jews are good people. They're the best of us.
Goy.
>>1136374
You talk like a fag. Grammar Nazis have had zero influence on history or society and you are less than irrelevant.
Opinion discarded.
>>1140341
Yes, he was in a desk job as intelligence officer attached to an air unit in the Pacific, but he also flew twelve combat missions as a tail gunner, so he's not lying when he said he saw combat.
>>1137282
Not disagreeing with you but that lesson is more Stark when illuminating the perils of inflation and debasing the currency.
>>1142548
>Politifact
Are you fucking serious that source is shit.
>>1143119
Think about this, if I go to 50 different parties made up of entirely different people and at all 50, people cite the same reason for not liking me, far before 50, most people would think, "Maybe it's not all those people at the parties who are the assholes, but it's you".
>>1143167
Oh yeah? Prove it to me.
>>1142548
>The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction
Dumbest shit I've read all day, by that logic Nixon is innocent of Watergate
>>1143139
Maybe so, but at least I don't say "leaved" like an absolute mongoloid.
>>1135847
Who are you referencing?
>>1143219
Nixon's crime was covering up his minions' mistakes. If he literally did not do anything, he could have gotten away with it
>>1142669
>Maybe you have a bone to pick with politifact because I'm not the first person to use it to rebuke your bullshit
Not him, but it has more to do with the fact that politi"fact" has an obvious bias to it despite the claims on their website. There are entire websites dedicated to proving just how bullshit politi"fact" is.
>>1143476
>waiting for conservapedia politifact debunk articles
>>1132769
But Anon, most ""Liberals"" these days don't actually follow Liberalism, and are more like socialists
>>1142548
>politifact
Stopped reading there
