Why are people falling for the "Orthodox" meme?
Catholicism isn't edgy enough for the "remove kebab" crowd
>>1130619
because enough shit from your disguised pagan mistery cult
>>1130619
Because the pope is becoming a joke, but people still want to belong to an organization they can see, hear, taste, touch and smell. Like animals.
>>1130629
shit-tier bait
>>1130633
>heretic
That's funny coming from a schismatic.
>>1130639
>Vatican II
>Catholic
pick 1
Remember, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Jesus Christ said it Himself.
>>1130647
>vatican II
>not catholic
i'd like to inform you of the doctrine of papal infallibility
>>1130656
Please.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGVSKByrYzstnb7NVcocWBI6qrV2me254
>>1130647
>schismatic
I don't think you should be the one to talk bub
also those churches belong to one of two groups of Orthodoxy wich is oriental or eastern, they got divided up by politics and history; they all follow the Orthodox canon and the patriarchs
>>1130647
>Remember, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Jesus Christ said it Himself.
That's not the Roman Catholic Church, you twit.
That means that Christians do not die and go to hell.
>>1130692
>Two groups of "Orthodoxy" in Eastern Europe, Syria and Ethiopia
>One, Holy, Catholic (universal) and Apostolic
pick 1
>>1130647
you do know that even if you are OP the (you) after it appears right?
just a tip :^)
>>1130696
>That means that Christians do not die and go to hell.
t. biblically illiterate
Catholicism is a joke.
Since the 15th century, Christians have widely known that the Papacy is the Antichrist church.
Mystery Babylon, the Great Harlot, the Queen of Heaven of pagan fertility cults.
Christ's kingdom is not of this world.
>>1130708
Except there's no (You) for that first post which you think I (OP) made. Try again friendo.
>>1130619
Falling for the catholics meme
As an atheist, from the perspective of an outsider based on what I've seen on /his/, the Orthodox church has the most consistent and believable views on God and the afterlife.
>>1130704
Except the 2 groups haven't been in communion with each other for a third more time than since Rome and Constantinopole split to the current day.
>>1130713
>Catholicism is a joke
t. proddy
>the Papacy is the Antichrist church
Nice meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KV6PXSODgE
>Mystery Babylon, the Great Harlot, the Queen of Heaven of pagan fertility cults.
hurrrrrrr, pic related
>Christ's kingdom is not of this world
His Church on Earth is not His Kingdom.
>>1130664
So basically, every pope that turns out to be a heretic should be ignored?
There's also a doctrine made in the 1800s stating that any declaration officially made by the Catholic Church is valid, as the papacy is infallable. Thus, the pope cannot drive the Catholic Church in the wrong direction because the Holy Spirit stops him from doing so.
If Vatican II is heresy as you say, it means this doctrine of papal infallibility is clearly incorrect, and that the Pope is just as vulnerable to heresy as any other man.
Therefore, going by the Lord's universally agreed-upon source of holy truths (the Bible), I present the case that all Papal declarations after the second council of Nicea are heresy, as the Bible in itself implies a doctrine of salvation by faith alone.
The only way to counteract said point is by saying that there is another trustworthy source of doctrine, i. e. The Pope. The only way this argument will work (why should we trust the Pope?) is with the doctrine of Papal Infallibility.
Therefore, you must either accept all official Catholic councils (including Vatican II) as holy writ, or reject the Catholic Church as a whole and become a Protestant.
Tl;dr: due to the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, a Catholic cannot pick or choose which Councils he wants to follow. It's all or nothing.
QED
>>1130704
Those groups of Orthodoxy are still connected to each other, but the absence of communication has made so that they are not congruent on problems and questions that come up when studying the Bible so there couldn't have been a Council to establish a common canon, as such they are different in that way while still staying true to the truth of God hence the orthodox name, my heretical friend.
I also find it funny that you completly ignore the fact that protestantism and every single schism that came from that are derived from the failed Catholic belief wich was used for political status than true piety
>>1130619
>Chatolics
>>1130711
It's literally what it means.
Do you think that Christians are going to storm the gates of hell, and batter them down? No, the gates prevailing would KEEP US IN, not keep us out.
>Orthodoxy
Tradition
>Protestantism
Scriptures
>Catholicism
Pedophilia
>>1130713
It's a sick, evil, twisted joke that has enslaved a billion people.
>>1130714
but you obviously deleted your own (you) so what stops you from deleting the other (you)?
>>1130733
Yup. You cannot recognize the Holy Spirit because you are a Catholic.
>Be Catholic
>Worship Ishtar
>>1130770
>Orthodoxy
Not orthodox.
>Protestantism
A demonic abomination.
>Catholicism
What you should convert to.
>>1130732
But maybe it should tick you off that groups that have been separated from both of us since the 400's find way more familiarity with EO than catholicism in a lot of things, including the way the primacy of the first see is manifested.
>>1130763
You're the only one who should be embarrassed here, papist. Your idiotic and demonic church lauded all of those men as "infallible".
>>1130763
Maybe you should try reading up on the doctrine of your own fucking church
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
>>1130778
Papists are never content to go to hell alone. They need a mob to go to hell with them.
>>1130773
Go shitpost elsewhere.
>>1130775
pic related
>>1130776
stale meme
>>1130779
Peter was never the lead apostle; the other apostles sent Peter and John on a mission.
Peter was sent.
The senders are greater than the sent.
Nor did Peter ever act or claim to be #1.
>>1130769
>he's a sedevacantist
Oh look a protestant who doesn't want to be called a protestant
>arguing with youtube links and meme images
it's like I'm really on /pol/ circa 2013
>>1130787
>papist
>>1130791
>Papists
Stop insulting Saint Peter.
>>1130792
Awesome pic. Did laugh.
>>1130619
Because once you're hooked on the "Christianity" meme, your brain pathways have already been pretty well scrambled, and at that point anything can happen.
>>1130800
Peter was never a pope, never a bishop of Rome, so no. I insult nobody but the Whore of Babylon, those Nicolaitans whom Peter and Jesus both hated.
>>1130798
>arguing with youtube links
I don't feel like writing an essay here and the videos are well-made and contain information which you can verify, it's not some cretin talking out of his butt.
>>1130769
Well, he is still the pope and i have not seen anyone in the higer ranks doing anything about that.
Now, go and shitpost somwhere else
>>1130796
Rome has always been the first one, as a consequence of many things, including being the first of the Petrine Sees.
Orthodoxy does not deny that.
Rome jumping the shark from that has been the issue.
>>1130818
Go be mad somewhere else heretic.
>>1130815
>I don't know what an antipope is
There should be something here on /his/ to block clueless shitposters like you from shitposting about what they know nothing about.
>>1130805
>implying jesus hated anybody
>>1130827
>heretic
That's funny coming from a proddy.
>>1130828
>i don't know what papal infallibility is
I've posted the link already and I'll post it again https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
>>1130837
A complete list of the 42 antipopes in Church history:
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/4_Antipopes.pdf
The Catholic teaching that a heretic cannot be a valid pope:
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/6_noheretic_pope.pdf
>>1130833
>sedevacantists think they're not proddies
Apex kek
>>1130840
>The Catholic teaching that a heretic cannot be a valid pope
By this logic the seat is vacant since 200 AD at least
>>1130841
>I don't know what protestantism is
>>1130840
The Catholic Church (aka the Papacy) defines what is and isn't heresy, as you've implied. According to them, Vatican II is not only not heresy but is the official, infallable teaching of the Catholic Church. You can't just say "well I think it's heresy" and then reject it. According to YOUR OWN Catholic faith, you don't get to decide what heresy is. The Papacy does.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
>all those demonic anti-Catholics ITT buttdevastated about the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
Remember kids, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
>>1130846
You are proddies. You fags are claiming that the current church is a fake one, protestants have been claiming exactly that for centuries.
>>1130840
why have a pope if he is going to be anti christian and then claim he is close to god?
>a heretic cannot be a pope
Of course, but why is he still the pope then?
>>1130858
>is quite clearly losing the argument
>refuses to believe in his own doctrine of Papal Infallibility
>memeposts so he can feel better about being a piece of shit
stop
>>1130865
Because sedevacucks are fucking retarded.
>>1130826
Rome is Babylon.
>>1130829
Jesus hated Esau.
And Jesus hates the ways and beliefs of the Nicolaitans.
>>1130856
>well I think it's heresy
>I think
>think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWsgxCVYtAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHVXurgxtR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyg6Zs7vzUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jj7tuRDzRY
>>1130860
Yes, Roman Catholicism is from satan himself.
>>1130867
>being this delusional
>>1130868
That dosen't answer my questions...
>>1130876
I put it in quotes. You know, the things that mean someone besides you said it. I put them there to show you were the one acting like that.
You still haven't adressed the rest of my post.
>>1130870
Do you not think it odd that everyone on this list has always considered Rome's claims to primacy legit, just considered it's supremacy an overstepping of that?
What a no-risk argument. Neither side can ever lose. Must be fun!
>>1130878
>doesn't listen to anyone else's arguments
>says "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU PROTESTANTS ARE HERETICS AND SO ARE CATHOLICS" instead of realizing he can't just choose which Popes he listens to
>resorts to insults instead of actually arguing my points
>i'm supposed to be the delusional one
K
>>1130894
>YOU PROTESTANTS ARE HERETICS AND SO ARE CATHOLICS
>AND SO ARE CATHOLICS
????
Catholics are not heretics, heretics who call themselves Catholic are. By the way, are you a mormon or something?
>>1130890
What a no-risk post. You come in and call both sides idiots without actually participating in the argument in order to feel like you have the high ground without actually doing anything. Must be fun!
>>1130870
Who destroyed the Whore of Babylon? Babylon did, which was pagan Rome. Babylon is a code name for Rome, which symbolized sexual and immoral excess. Revelation 17:16 says that the ten horns (symbolizing the rulers of pagan Rome) will destroy the whore by fire, which is exactly what the Romans did to Jerusalem in 70 AD. And then Revelation 17:14 says that the Lamb will conquer them both. This happened in the 4th Century, when Constantine became the first Christian emperor of Rome, who stopped all of the religious persecutions of Christians with the Edict of Milan in 313 AD. Constantine built the Vatican directly on top of the tomb of St. Peter, on Vatican Hill, outside the city of Rome.
Sedevacantism is just the Catholic's coping mechanism with the fact that his pope is literally a cuck.
>>1130912
>pope is literally an antipope
FTFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvjmveYw0tE
>>1130915
Autism.
>>1130922
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
>>1130900
You must have no idea what quotation marks are. Let me teach you.
Quotation marks are punctuation marks used to signify that somebody else beside you made the statement, and that you're just repeating what they said. For example, this statement would be said by me (only hypothetically of course): I am a fucking cuck and I should kill myself. This next statement, on the other hand, implies that someone other than me made this statement. For the sake of this demonstration, let's say the person who said it originally is you. Here it is: "I am a fucking cuck and I should kill myself." That statement would have been said by you in this example.
By using quotes in my other post, I implied that it was you who was acting like that, and not me. That is how quotation marks are used.
Hope that helps!
>>1130928
>I am a fucking cuck and I should kill myself
Out of curiosity, do you call yourself Christian?
>>1130929
Not knowing what basic punctuation marks do is more autistic than what I just did. Just letting you know.
>>1130912
They love Hitler's pope, and can't let him go. They love all the good work Hitler and Hitler's pope did to eradicate "christkillers".
>>1130937
Sure thing pal.
>>1130934
Oh low-tier b8, how I love thee
>>1130939
Stop shitposting.
>>1130941
Well? Do you call yourself Christian?
>>1130943
Pope Concordat with Hitler '33 legitimized the Nazi party.
Pope had read Mein Kampf.
Pope was ecstatic someone was going to kill all the Jews; he was an anti-semite himself. What am I saying. He's catholic. Of course he was an anti-semite.
Hitler wins 99% of the vote after the pope's '33 Concordat.
>>1130771
*tip*
>>1130639
What the heck did I just hear you just say towards me right now, you little proddy? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in a Catholic school, and I've been involved in numerous arguments with Lutherans, and I have over 300 confirmed polite conversations. I am trained in conversing with Protestants and I'm the top arguer in the entire US Catholic forces. You are nothing to me but just another sinner. I will save you the heck out with charity and forgiveness the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my Italian words. You think you can get away with insulting the Pope to me over the Internet? Think again. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of saviors across the Vatican and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for Jesus Christ, proddy. Because he will wipe out the pathetic thing you call your denomination. You may as well already be saved, kid. I can argue anywhere, anytime, and I can convert people in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with Pascal’s Wager. Not only am I extensively trained in denying child rape accusations, but I have access to the entire arsenal of knowledge on the Church’s historical benefits to society and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable church off the face of this imageboard.
>>1130957
I did. It's Catholic propaganda. The pope never saved any Jews; he forced some Jews to convert to Catholicism, and then got them out of Europe.
The same way the pope smuggled thousands of Nazi war criminals through the Vatican Ratlines.
The Jews, of course, all de-converted when it was safe to do so.
Your church is evil, and you are a part of that evil.
>>1130884
Peter said it himself, in 1 Peter.
Greetings from Babylon.
>>1130889
If they didn't, they'd be murdered.
>>1130911
The destruction of the Whore of Babylon (and I do get sick and tired of your stale copy pasta bullshit) immediately precedes Armageddon and Jesus' 1000 year rule on earth.
Pagan Rome then is Pagan Catholic Rome now. They just changed the names on the idols.
>>1131002
>Remember, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
But apparently a convent of cuckolds shall, lmao.
>>1131004
>Pagan Catholic Rome
2/10
>>1131002
"it" in that case does not mean the Roman Catholic Church.
1 Peter 5:13 She who is in Babylon, elect together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son.
>>1131007
They have more idols there now than when Paul preached on Mars Hill.
>>1131012
>idols
>>1131001
Yes, people from other corners of the planet, that openly proclaimed catholic heretics, would be murdered, somehow.
Brilliant logic there.
>>1130858
this
>>1131023
Satan is rubbing his hands. He loves proddies.
>>1131026
I'm starting to think that Bloody Mary was a Saint.
I was born Orthodox and I acquired a hatred for priests and the church from an early age.
But really the catholic is just a miserable sight, how can people worship the whore of Babylon? The billions of dollars in untaxed money, the money laundering, the pedophilia and all that stuff?
>>1131048
Stop falling for anti-Catholic memes.
>>1131048
Evil is literally everywhere. Also:
>Sue Widemark A Penn State historian, Philip Jenkins, has done in-depth research of pedophilia and sexual abuse among the clergy and has come up with some rather eye opening facts (Pedophiles and Priests, Anatomy of a Crisis, Oxford University Press, 1996, Paperback edition, 2001). It seems that while .2 to 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy have been guilty of pedophilia (or sexual abuse particularly of boys, p. 80-82), a whopping 10 percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of sexual misconduct with a 2 or 3 percent pedophilia rate (p. 50-52).
>This is all the more interesting, notes Jenkins, since there has been NO media term "Pastor Pedophilia" coined at all! Jenkins theorizes that the media, proving the 'point' of the 'necessity' of sexual promiscuity, overemphasizes any instance of pedophilia found among the Catholic clergy since it can use this to criticize the entire idea of celibacy. But it is interesting that the NON Celibate Protestant ministers have a MUCH GREATER problem with it than the celibate Catholic priests!
>Jenkins' research was based on several highly respected studies and statistics. He points out that whereas sexual misconduct has always been a problem, among Catholic and non-Catholic clergy as well as among the general populace, what is new now is that the 'problem' of priest sexual abuse, constructed by the media as a result of a 'moral panic' occurring in the mid-1980's.
http://www.catholic-convert.com/wp-content/uploads/SexInProtestantChurches.pdf
Catholics are evil Muslim sympathisers as of late and Orthodox are better at getting removed by kebab than removing kebab
>>1130619
It is the truth.
>"Je ne connais qu'une Eglise: c'est la société des hommes."
"I know only one Church: it's the society of humans"
(Jean-Paul Sartre)
>>1131033
She killed less people than Elizabeth
because le remove kebab memes
>joke theology
>russiaboos
>ugly art
>foreverial cucks to worldly governments including Stalinist USSR
>idolatry
>the Russian Orthodox Church is leagues more corrupt and degenerate than the Catholic church
Literally poo in loo tier religion
>>1132204
>idolatry
Lemme guess, "muh whore of booboo ling" Prot?
>>1130744
>as the Bible in itself implies a doctrine of salvation by faith alone.
[citation needed]
>>1132318
According to my reading of the Bible,The only thing we need to ensure our salvation is our repentance and acceptance of God's gift freely given through Jesus Christ, we don't need any other intercessor before God. No Church or person, no matter how good or 'holy', can intercede on our behalf or give more than God has already given us.
>>1130619
Wolfshiem used to tripfag a lot on /pol/ and made 3-4 threads a day shilling for Catholicism. So everyone went onto it. Catholics see Orthodox as acceptable but Protestants as heretics, this is what everyone else thought except there were almost no Orthodox posters.
Eventually the Pope started doing some really left-wing stuff. /pol/ decided the religion was destructive and it quickly fell out of favor. With Protestants being heretics and Catholics being marxists, Orthodoxy was the next logical train to jump to.
>>1132204
>idolatry
go away iconoclast
>>1132410
They can be used by Him as channels of Grace though. It's not that they, through their power, can add to or supercede God's Grace, but that in their service to God can allow it to be more perfectly delivered.
"Your reading" indeed. But why do you belive your interpretation is correct? Because it's yours and you love God therefore it must be true? What if someone had your same outlook but a different interpretation overall? Is he not capable of justifying with your logic?
This line of reasoning breeds individualist heterodoxy.
>>1132450
>why do you belive your interpretation is correct?
Why do you believe it is not? Point out exactly, where my reading of Gods free gift is wrong
>>1132426
>there were almost no Orthodox posters
there was literally one, and then it put on a trip and immediately died.
>>1130619
>tiering religion like soda pops
pls stop
>>1130619
>falling for the religion meme
Fucking wew famicom.
>>1132410
This is bs since James' own "faith without works" language implies effort on the part of the individual.
Paul's own use of "faith" is in fact more accurately used as "faithfulness" which also implies, effort and activity on the part of the individual.
Sola Fide in the Prot form takes this active participation away.
This is also why the Church Fathers unanimously make statements that make it very clear how effort must be put in, not some external thing mind controlling you.
>being unironically the product of jewish manipulation
pr*testants are really good to laugh at
Protestant heretics explain,
Perhaps the most important aspect of the rule of faith is that it gives us what the Church conceived to be ‘the main body of truth’ (to use Irenaeus’ phrase). The Scriptures are, after all, a body of documents testifying to God’s activity towards men in Christ. They are not a rule of faith, nor a list of doctrines, nor a manual of the articles of a Christian man’s belief. In the rule of faith we have a key to what the Church thought the Scriptures came to, where it was, so to speak, that their weight fell, what was their drift. This interpretation of their drift was itself tradition, a way of handling the Scriptures, a way of living in them and being exposed to their effect, which, while not an original part of the Christian Gospel, not itself the paradosis par excellence, had been developed from the Gospel itself, from its heart, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as an essential part of the existence of the Christian faith in history…
We cannot recognize the rule of faith as original tradition, going back by oral continuity independently of Scripture to Christ and his apostles. But we can recognize it as the tradition in which the Church was interpreting Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and as such claim it as an essential ingredient of historical Christianity. (R.P.C. Hanson, Tradition In The Early Church, pp. 128, 129
>>1132410
>Christianity is what I want it to be
pr*testantism in a nutshell
Protestants explain what this Protestant said
The first clear attitude to emerge on the relation between Scripture, tradition and the church was the coincidence view: that the teaching of the church, Scripture and tradition coincide. Apostolic tradition is authoritative but does not differ in content from the Scriptures. The teaching of the church is likewise authoritative but is only the proclamation of the apostolic message found in Scripture and tradition. The classical embodiment of the coincidence view is found in the writings of Irenaeus and Tertullian.
These both reject the Gnostic claims to a secret tradition supplementing Scripture. Apostolic tradition does not add to Scripture but is evidence of how it is correctly to be interpreted. This tradition is found in those churches which were founded by the apostles, who taught men whose successors teach today. These apostolic churches agree as to the content of the Christian message, in marked contrast to the variations among the heretics. It is important to note that it is the church which is the custodian of Scripture and tradition and which has the authentic apostolic message. There was no question of appealing to Scripture or tradition against the church. This is partly because the apostolic tradition was found in the church but not just for this reason: the Holy Spirit preserves the church from error and leads her into the truth. The real concern of Irenaeus and Tertullian was not with the relation between Scripture and tradition but with the identity of ecclesiastical with apostolic teaching. Any exposition of their teaching on Scripture and tradition which fails to show this is to that extent defective. (A.N.S. Lane, “Scripture, Tradition and Church: An Historical Survey”, Vox Evangelica, Volume IX – 1975, pp. 39, 40)
>>1132549
Protestants explain
>It is obvious from the NT that Christians initially understood Scripture to mean what only later was called the OT. When Paul repeated the tradition about Christ‘s death and resurrection, the ―Scriptures‖ by which the Christian preaching was demonstrated were the sacred books of Israel (1 Corinthians 15). Scripture in this sense demonstrated the truth of the Christian claim in a number of different ways: by prophecy, by type and foreshadowing, by testimony lists, by allegory, and by simple proof-texting. No one method prevailed for employing the authority of the OT. Moreover, it began to be clear that final authority rested in the Christian preaching and not in the sacred writings thought to demonstrate it.-Anchor Bible Dictionary, pg 7883
>>1130727
>>1130765
>>1130912
>>1130915
Tired of your bullshit
>What are the chances that this shit goes through?
0% It's more PR bullshit
Pope says gay marriage is from satan
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
Pope Francis speaks against Gay adoption
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-urges-bishop-to-speak-against-it-boldly/
Compares trans rights to nuclear arms race
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-compares-arguments-for-transgender-rights-to-nuclear-arms-race-10061223.html
Pope Francis says that there's no salvation outside the Church
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/06/03/pope-francis-is-under-attack-for-saying-that-outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation-its-a-poke-in-the-eye-says-one-presbyterian-why-hes-wrong/
He excommunicates an Australian priest supporting gay marriage and women clergy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html
Pope Francis is against gender theory and for traditional gender roles
http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/pope-francis-gender-theory-problem-not-solution
Pope is against abortion
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-on-abortions-innocent-victims-its-wrong-to-look-the-other-way-or-remain-silent/
He Encourages the use of force against ISIS
http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8
Pope Francis is against lukewarm "faith"
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-off-the-cuff-to-priests-religious-indifference-makes-god-vomit-69700/
The Pope is misquoted often
http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
The Pope Rebukes Communist Cross
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/11729834/Pope-rebukes-Bolivias-President-Evo-Morales-for-gift-of-crucifix-mounted-on-hammer-and-sickle.html
>>1132556
>But when the adversary of the race of the righteous, the envious, malicious, and wicked one, perceived the impressive nature of his martyrdom, and [considered] the blameless life he had led from the beginning, and how he was now crowned with the wreath of immortality, having beyond dispute received his reward, he did his utmost that not the least memorial of him should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this, and to become possessors of his holy flesh. For this end he suggested it to Nicetes, the father of Herod and brother of Alce, to go and entreat the governor not to give up his body to be buried, "lest," said he, "forsaking Him that was crucified, they begin to worship this one." This he said at the suggestion and urgent persuasion of the Jews, who also watched us, as we sought to take him out of the fire, being ignorant of this, that it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners ), nor to worship any other.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0102.htm
>>1130800
>whycan'tIholdallthesekeys.jpg
>>1132561
>Without yet entering into the question of literary genre, two reflections should be made about the Last Supper. It is questionable whether ―"parabolic" adequately explains Jesus‘ words and actions. Rather, Jesus performs an efficacious sign, a prophetic symbolic act. As Ezekiel (5:1–5) had identified his hair with Jerusalem, so Jesus has identified himself with the bread and wine (Beck 1970: 192–97). However, ―symbolic is not to be opposed to ―real; on the contrary, the symbolic is the depth dimension of the real (Léon-Dufour 1987: 10, 162–65). The Last Supper likewise resembles a farewell meal. This is the context in which it now appears in Luke 22:14–38, and John 13–17 supports such an understanding (cf. Gen 27:1–40; Jub 22:1–9; 31:22; T. Napht. 1:1–4; 9:2). The solemn nature of a farewell meal marks the significance of what is said by the one departing (Friedrich 1978: 310–14).-pg 5182
>During the course of the meal, Jesus, in prophetic manner, identified himself with both the bread and the wine in the cup. At a meal people are fed, and Jesus did identify himself in some way with this nourishment.(pg 5189)
>>1132571
>Most Christian writings from the second century on suggest that the power and character of the eucharistic food were upheld with startling realism. There is no hint that they were merely signs to assist with the remembrance of an idea or understanding of a doctrine, or that their reality depended on the attitude of the recipient. On the other hand, the means of Jesus’ presence in the food or in the act of sharing was not defined by any ancient writer in metaphysical terms like those of medieval theology.-pg 47, Ancient Christian Worship
>>1132578
Protcucks explain
>They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm
>>1132581
>And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία1910 [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.ii.lxvi.html
>>1132585
>the canonical heritage of the Church can be evaluated in various ways, with some traditions being more important than others, depending on the scale of values involved and the purposes identified.72 Hence the Creed is exceptionally useful in catechetical work; the Scriptures are useful in providing agreed texts for preaching; the Eucharist is pivotal in nurturing an intimate communion with the risen Lord; iconography is important in signifying the sanctification of matter; the writings of the Fathers are invaluable in pursuing the implications of the scriptural material and in exploring second-order questions about knowledge and language; the episcopate is vital in dealing with matters of internal order and discipline. Each element in the canonical tradition has its own place to play in the total economy of the community. To ask the sacraments, for instance, to play the role of the Scriptures is to ask for trouble; to ask the Scriptures to fulfil the role of the episcopate is absurd and ludicrous.-pg 53, Canon and Criterion in Christian theology
>>1130619
>Why are people falling for the "Orthodox" meme?
Because people here don't care about getting closer to God, they only care about being right and winning arguments. Orthodox are contrarian and irrelevant enough for them to feel on the right side of history whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. Basically: LARPing
>>1132587
The actual Apostolic tradition of the ancient unified church can readily be ascertained by a study of the early church fathers, where we find things such as infant baptism, yet no concept of Rome's heresy of "original sin". We also don't see Rome's celibate priests ("forbidding to marry" - a direct biblical sign of heresy), nor such insane concepts as a "sinner's prayer" that magically replaces true belief,The point is.. the true Apostolic church is written about by the early church fathers was not the Roman catholic church
>>1130765
Daily Mail....really? That's like the national inquirer. Also Pope Francis is correct.
>>1132624
I see that pr*testant theology is top-notch as usual
>>1132624
>Ortho/Prot
>>1130639
Why do you want to touch animals?
I want to fug cute Orthodox girls
>>1132135
i had a french teacher in college from algeria that had a huge crush on sartre
Hi, one true God here. Since I'm perfect all I need to do is clearly convey my message to these people and they'll know how to love me, because that's what I desire.
>>1130744
>the Bible in itself implies a doctrine of salvation by faith alone
No it doesn't.
>He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
Romans 2:6-7
>>1092975
>>1093063
>>1093097
>>1093138
http://www.protestanterrors.com/
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/justification.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd66KXIbAjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL2Hyve-kwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_4RFoknrwc
>>1132700
>protestant denominations.jpg
FTFY
>>1132708
>No it doesn't.
Yes....
It Does
“Then one of the criminals who was hanged blasphemed Him, saying, ‘If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.’ But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, ‘Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.’ Then he said to Jesus, ‘Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in paradise.’” (Luke 23:39-43)
>>1132559
>tfw someone uses your own pasta
Spent a lot of time gathering these tbqh
The "modernist pope" shit needs to go
>thread about Eastern Orthodoxy
>instantly degenerates into Protestant vs Catholic shitposting
Never change, /his/.
>>1130619
>Why are people falling for the "Orthodox" meme?
Because Constantine demolish Catholics on a daily basis and has never been refuted.
All Catholics can do is hurl impotent memes and insults at him or focus on dealing with easy cases like the protestants
>>1133293
>and has never been refuted
lol
>>1133293
Just because you aren't using a tripname doesn't mean you aren't Constantine, Constantine.
>>1130619
DELET THIS
For Jesus, get.
For the Lord Jesus Christ.
For the Son of God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
For the Son of God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth
For the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
fuck...
>>1133333
>>1133337
...yeah.
>>1133298
Post an example then
>>1130619
>No Syriac church
Fuck you
What a surprise you dont have one.
>A Christian brother and sister from Syria felt blessed to have been among the dozen refugees selected to start a new life in Italy — but now say their savior, Pope Francis, abandoned them on a Greek island, according to a report.
>Their dreams were shattered, though, when they were informed the following day that they would not be traveling to Rome. Instead, three Muslim families were taken.
http://nypost.com/2016/04/22/pope-francis-reneges-on-offer-to-take-in-christian-refugees/
>>1133427
Nice shitpost
That was the EU's fault
>>1133427
>The Massacre of the Latins (Italian: Massacro dei Latini; Greek: Σφαγή των Λατίνων) was a large-scale massacre of the Roman Catholic (called "Latin") inhabitants of Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine Empire, by the Eastern Orthodox population of the city in April 1182.
>The Roman Catholics of Constantinople at that time dominated the city's maritime trade and financial sector. Although precise numbers are unavailable, the bulk of the Latin community, estimated at 60,000 at the time by Eustathius of Thessalonica, was wiped out or forced to flee. The Genoese and Pisan communities especially were decimated, and some 4,000 survivors were sold as slaves to the (Turkish) Sultanate of Rum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins
>>1133442
I'm sorry, but how can you say the Pope is some sort of "rock" of the Church, the ultimate security, if he's not dependable? If the rock can disappear, then it was never a rock to begin with. It's like Protestants saying the church disappeared.
>>1133449
Meanwhile, the Pope actually his share of the booty the Crusaders took when they did their massacring. So yours was actually sanctioned by the RCC, this was never sanctioned.
>le Pope is infallible
>because when he makes a mistake, he ceases to be the Pope xD therefore infallible!
Meanwhile, concerning the charge of phyletism against the Orthodox
>Thousands of Orthodox Christians attended Holy Week services in Greek Orthodox churches in Central and South America this year — but most were not of Greek descent.
>Of its 550,000 members, only 5,000 are Greek
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/15/greek-orthodox-church-latin-america_n_7065630.html
This is since 1996, when the Greek Orthodox set up shop there.
Pretty soundly rebuts any charge of phyletism.
And look at this
>As a result of its evangelism and missionary work, the Antiochian Archdiocese [of North America] saw significant growth between the mid-1960s and 2012. The archdiocese had only 65 parishes across the United States in the mid-1960s and by 2011 this number had increased to 249 parishes.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochian_Orthodox_Christian_Archdiocese_of_North_America#Evangelism
>>1133474
>Pretty soundly rebuts any charge of phyletism.
Not really
>>1133481
The Greek Orthodox jurisdiction in Latin America is only 0.1% Greek, that's demonstrably not phyletism. The majority of Antiochian Orthodox parishes in the U.S. are majority non-Arab, that's demonstrably not phyletism.
>Of its 550,000 members, only 5,000 are Greek
Take a look at that figure as a percentage of the whole Greek ORthodox population and youd be lucky if it even came close to double digits.
Your church has been in my country for over a century yet still have close to half of its parishoners being born overseas.
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Statistics_of_Orthodoxy_in_Australia
>>As a result of its evangelism and missionary work, the Antiochian Archdiocese [of North America] saw significant growth between the mid-1960s and 2012. The archdiocese had only 65 parishes across the United States in the mid-1960s and by 2011 this number had increased to 249 parishes.[5]
Which still amounts to less than 30,000 active people
Meanwhile in one of the larger parishes the Orthodox Church in America
In 2004, a Fr. Jonathan Ivanoff stated in a presentation at the OCA's Evangelization Conference that the Church's census population in 2004 was 27,169, and that membership from 1990–2000 declined 13 percent. It further stated that the OCA population in the continental United States declined between six and nine percent per year.[37]
Ive seen feminists be more honest with statistics
>>1133489
>Although the Orthodox Churches condemned phyletism in 1872, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew has declared that “nationalism remains one of the central problems of the Church." Phyletism has been a threat to Orthodox unity since at least the rise of nationalism in the 19th century, and its impact on Orthodoxy in America – and in other areas ethnic diaspora communities throughout the 20th century and to the present-day is well known.[4]
>>1133474
Why is there not one Orthodox Church in the US like it is with the Catholic Church?
>>1133520
Because the Orthodox church isn't actually united
>inb4 y-yes we are ;_;
>>1133512
OCA is one jurisdiction, look at the big picture: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/06/report-finds-strong-growt_n_753447.html
>>1133517
And secular globalism continues to be a problem in the RCC, doesn't mean it defines it.
>>1133520
You mean, why are the *jurisdictions* in North America so numerous? Because normally, the jurisdiction goes to whoever gets largely established first, but there were a bunch of simultaneous establishments so there you have it. It only means which bishop you report to.
Roman Catholic church is the Whore of Babylon.
>>1133534
>The study, which was part of the national Religious Congregations and Membership Study 2010, also shows that just 27 percent of members attend Orthodox churches regularly.
>Krindatch said the definition of each of the groups affected this statistic. Church “adherents” was the most inclusive category, consisting of anyone who occasionally participated in church life, while “regular attendees” are those who attend church on an almost weekly basis.
>>1133532
Terms like "Greek Orthodox" and "Russian Orthodox" are literally nothing more than jurisdiction. Catholics are all under the jurisdiction of the Roman Patriarch, so they are all Roman Catholics. Orthodox under the Greek Patriarch (which is actually the Ecumenical Patriarch when we're talking outside of Greece) are "Greek Orthodox", Orthodox under the jurisdiction of the Russian Patriarch are called "Russian Orthodox". The Orthodox Church in America was given total independence by the Russian Patriarch, which is why it is called the OCA, even though it is not the only one in America.
>>1133544
Keep telling yourself that
>>1133541
>. For example, there is a noticeable age gap; younger Catholics are significantly less likely than their older counterparts to attend church weekly or more often. Less than a third (30%) of Catholics ages 18-29 attend church this frequently, compared with nearly two-thirds (63%) of Catholics age 65 and older. A s
>>1133534
>And secular globalism continues to be a problem in the RCC, doesn't mean it defines it.
Wasnt the word phyletism literally created to describe the problem of the Orthodox Church?
>>1133547
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
>>1133548
It was created to describe a heresy, which happened when one church sprouted up where another one was just to cater to a different ethnicity, so they could go to separate churches and only one would be allowed in each. It's still a "problem" but an incidental one rather than an institutional one, and it is mainly focused in Paris and the U.S. There are different jurisdictions that are often very ethnic, but there are not ethnic churches per se, just jurisdictional churches. Like I said, the Antiochian Church in the U.S. is mostly not Arab anymore, but if they said, "Antioch for Arabs" church, and "Antiochian for non-Arabs" then that would be phyletism
>>1133556
Thats a long and fancy way of saying "yes".
>>1133548
The heresy is why the Orthodox church is loved on /pol/
>>1133534
>You mean, why are the *jurisdictions* in North America so numerous? Because normally, the jurisdiction goes to whoever gets largely established first, but there were a bunch of simultaneous establishments so there you have it. It only means which bishop you report to.
By simultaneous do you mean they all tried to start churches in the same year or that they kept on adding churches as new ethnicities came
>>1133549
The reason many Orthodox people don't go to Church regularly, is because it's one of those religions that people strongly identify with regardless of extensive involvement. Any given Pascha, you will see church numbers triple, sure. These people strongly identify as Orthodox, but aren't involved much with it; if someone stops being involved with, say, Lutheranism, they aren't going to keep identifying themselves that way. So it looks like Orthodox people aren't really religion, when in fact it's just the identity is lot broader than most religious identities.
>>1133561
The problem it was used to describe doesn't exist anymore. The problem of today is more one of having more than one jurisdiction in a country, which has nothing to do with phyletistic sentiments.
>>1133572
>Its not a bug its a feature!
>>1133572
>The reason many Orthodox people don't go to Church regularly is that they aren't actually Orthodox
>>1133571
I Greece got here first, but Russia got to Alaska first, but Alaska wasn't U.S. territory when they got to it, then the U.S. bought it later after the Greeks got here, and so there was never a definitive jurisdiction and as a result other jurisdictions set up shop too when expats asked for it. Latin America is much simpler, of course, it's all Greek, because no Alaska.
>>1133579
That's right, a lot more people strongly identify as Orthodox than are actually involved in the religion. This doesn't mean the Orthodox tend to be less religious, rather it means that non-religious family members and descendants tend to hold onto the identity when other people wouldn't hold onto the religious identity who stopped participating. Although I will say every non-participatory Orthodox I've talked to (every Pascha you find many) still passionately believe in the faith.
>>1133592
>passionately believe the faith
>but not enough to go to church on Sunday
Okay
>>1133580
So why isnt there only 2 churches rather than a dozen?
>>1133592
>Although I will say every non-participatory Orthodox I've talked to (every Pascha you find many) still passionately believe in the faith.
Thats a much lower standard compared to the ones you hold against Catholics.
>>1133593
Ever read Crime and Punishment? Remember Sonia didn't go, and the criminals in the penitentiary who were going to kill Raskolnikov for his atheism almost surely didn't go regularly.
>>1133603
Because when expats come over and live a lot in an area without any Orthodox parish nearby, and there is no complete jurisdiction of the country, they will ask their home jurisdiction to set them up. If there were one jurisdiction for the country, they couldn't do this, but since no one has national jurisdiction, no one can say no.
>>1133613
Main thing I hold against Catholics is modernism, but withing that context I don't say they lack faith anymore than Orthodox
>>1133615
>Because when expats come over and live a lot in an area without any Orthodox parish nearby, and there is no complete jurisdiction of the country, they will ask their home jurisdiction to set them up. If there were one jurisdiction for the country, they couldn't do this, but since no one has national jurisdiction, no one can say no.
So why do many countries in the West of having multiples Churches despite not having that jurisdiction conflict history?
>>1133615
>I'm sure these people aren't just cultural Christians because that's something that only happens to other churches. My proof well I read a book with a pious character who didn't go to church so there.
>>1133628
Lack definitive jurisdictional boundaries since the clergy can't get it together enough to draw up a map or decide to just use national boundaries, or whether the Ecumenical Patriarch should administrate it all since canonically he is in charge of all "barbarian" jurisdiction (which is meaningless now since there is no longer Roman Empire). Apart from the U.S., most countries are drifting toward a single jurisdiction more less, though.
>>1133633
I never said there weren't many Orthodox cultural Christians, I just said the ones I talked to still strongly believed, or at least made out like they did. They still are just "cultural Christians" in a way, but not like this
>After 1970 the emphasis on catholic concepts like hell, the devil, sinning, the taboo on divorce and remarrying of widows and catholic traditions like confession, kneeling, the teaching of catechism and having the hostia placed on the tongue by the priest rapidly disappeared and these concepts are nowadays seldom within contemporary Dutch Catholicism.
>Research among Catholics in the Netherlands in 2007 shows that only 27% of the Dutch Catholics can be regarded as a theist, 55% as an ietsist, deist or agnostic and 17% as atheist.[26]
What is with all this one upmanship? Why can't we pick a faith that resonates with us and brings us personally closer to god instead of fearing your on the wrong side of history?
>>1133474
>Pretty soundly rebuts any charge of phyletism.
hahahahaha
There's something disturbing about watching what are at least ostensibly grown adults fighting over who has the better interpretation of what may as well be a comic book character at this point for all the real information we have about said person.
>>1133719
People are going to fight over something, better this than privilege fights
>>1133474
>evangelism and missionary work
Thanks for the chuckle.
>And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.
Mark 13:10
>He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.''
Mark 16:15
Who has done this? We both know it's the Holy Catholic Church.
>>1133725
You spread it by the sword, like Islam. Bit different from what Christ intended.
>>1133724
I'm not sure that this is actually better to be honest. Besides, anyone who seriously started ranting about white privilege on 4chan would be laughed off the board.
post yfw you realized that the orthodox have dozens of popes
>>1133544
Tell me, did Jesus Christ wanted His Church to be ''Greek Orthodox'', ''Russian Orthodox'' or One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic?
>>1133737
>But would you prefer the ore-religion culture of 4chan?
>>ore-religion culture of 4chan
What does this mean? Are people on this website worshipping minerals? I've been here since 2007 and I haven't noticed that.
>Roman Catholicism
>Western Roman Empire
10/10
>Greek Orthodoxy
>Eastern Roman Empire
JUST/10
>>1133692
>god
>g
>>1133742
Christ wanted his bishops to have jurisdictions, not for one bishop to have the whole world as his jurisdiction. Each bishops is an overseer of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
>>1133719
The adults are talking, go back watching Repzion's videos, kiddo.
>>1133729
>In the late thirteenth and early fourteenth centuries, Franciscans such as William of Rubruck, John of Montecorvino, and Giovanni ed' Magnolia were sent as missionaries to the Near and Far East. Their travels took them as far as China in an attempt to convert the advancing Mongols, especially the Great Khans of the Mongol Empire.
>During the Age of Discovery, the Roman Catholic Church established a number of missions in the Americas and other colonies through the Augustinians, Franciscans, and Dominicans in order to spread Christianity in the New World and to convert the Native Americans and other indigenous people. At the same time, missionaries such as Francis Xavier as well as other Jesuits, Augustinians, Franciscans, and Dominicans were moving into Asia and the far East. The Portuguese sent missions into Africa. These are some of the most well-known missions in history. While some of these missions were associated with imperialism and oppression, others (notably Matteo Ricci's Jesuit mission to China) were relatively peaceful and focused on integration rather than cultural imperialism.
>The history of the missions of the Jesuits in China in the early modern era stands as one of the notable events in the early history of relations between China and the Western world, as well as a prominent example of relations between two cultures and belief systems in the pre-modern age. The missionary efforts and other work of the Society of Jesus, or Jesuits between the 16th and 17th century played a significant role in introducing Western knowledge, science, and culture to China. Their work laid much of the foundation for much of Christian culture in Chinese society today.
(1/2)
>>1133729
>The first attempt by Jesuits to reach China was made in 1552 by St. Francis Xavier, Spanish priest and missionary and founding member of the Society. Xavier, however, died the same year on the Chinese island of Shangchuan, without having reached the mainland. Three decades later, in 1582, led by several figures including the prominent Italian Matteo Ricci, Jesuits once again initiated mission work in China, ultimately introducing Western science, mathematics, astronomy, and visual arts to the imperial court, and carrying on significant inter-cultural and philosophical dialogue with Chinese scholars, particularly representatives of Confucianism. At the time of their peak influence, members of the Jesuit delegation were considered some of the emperor's most valued and trusted advisors, holding numerous prestigious posts in the imperial government. Many Chinese, including notable former Confucian scholars, adopted Christianity and became priests and members of the Society of Jesus.
>By 1610, more than two thousand Chinese from all levels of society had confessed their faith in Jesus Christ.
>Clark has summarized as follows:
>"When all is said and done, one must recognize gladly that the Jesuits made a shining contribution to mission outreach and policy in China. They made no fatal compromises, and where they skirted this in their guarded accommodation to the Chinese reverence for ancestors, their major thrust was both Christian and wise. They succeeded in rendering Christianity at least respectable and even credible to the sophisticated Chinese, no mean accomplishment."
>The Jesuits introduced Western science and astronomy, then undergoing its own revolution, to China. "Jesuits were accepted in late Ming court circles as foreign literati, regarded as impressive especially for their knowledge of astronomy, calendar-making, mathematics, hydraulics, and geography." This influence worked in both directions:
(2/3)
>>1133729
>[The Jesuits] made efforts to translate western mathematical and astronomical works into Chinese and aroused the interest of Chinese scholars in these sciences. They made very extensive astronomical observation and carried out the first modern cartographic work in China. They also learned to appreciate the scientific achievements of this ancient culture and made them known in Europe. Through their correspondence European scientists first learned about the Chinese science and culture.
>The Jesuits were very active in transmitting Chinese knowledge to Europe, such as translating Confucius's works into European languages. Ricci had already started to report on the thoughts of Confucius, and Father Prospero Intorcetta published the life and works of Confucius in Latin in 1687.[19] It is thought that such works had considerable importance on European thinkers of the period, particularly those who were interested by the integration of the system of morality of Confucius into Christianity.
Much more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_missions
>>1133766
>Eastern Orthodoxy
>One
>Catholic
pick 1 lad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_missions
>>1133772
>>The adults are talking
Yes, about unverifiable nonsense. And that wouldn't be bad in and of itself except for the fact that people are getting really angry in here over other people's interpretations of said nonsense.
>>go back watching Repzion's videos, kiddo
Who the fuck is Repzion?
>>1133820
shoo shoo
>>1133825
Ahh look, a stupid cherrypicked meme image. I hope you realize that the modern day tumblrites are the same sort of moralizing dipshit that you guys are, only without the jesus.
>>1133825
>TJ with a banana
Cheeky
>>1133831
Here have another one.
>>1133835
Are you being deliberately stupid for laughs? Because most stone age people did have some sort of religious belief.
>>1133849
>worshipping nature
>worshipping God Almighty
You gotta pick one pal.
>>1133760
Go get triggered elsewhere sjw faggot
>>1133855
No I don't.
Stone age people had religious beliefs of some sort. The stupid meme image is therefore false.
>>1133858
When we were all atheists (like animals) we lived like animals because we were spiritually empty primitive beings.
>>1133858
When organized religions started, so did civilization.
>>1133872
this
I'm no deist, but I find Orthodoxy the most aesthetically pleasing christian religion.
And thats all that matter really
![4fc[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CyfprHl.jpg "4fc[1].jpg")
>>1130619
>Orthodox Church of the Czech lands and Slovakia
>>1134398
>aesthetically pleasing
Their icons look like stickers and many of their churches look like they were made by playmobil.
>>1134398
>
this is not humanities
>>1134750
>>27939
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc.
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion
>religion
Deal with it.
>>1134760
theology is NOT humanities, religious studies and religious philosophy is
>>1134774
shut up nerd
>>1134784
nou
>>1130619
one and only.
>>1133766
>isn't centralized
>Catholic
>>1133814
>>1133872
This does not mean that hunter gatherers did not have religious beliefs. Worship of nature spirits or whatever is still worship.
>>1130765
>thinking every catholic is the pope
>heretical popes should be ignored
>good try
