Why did he hate Marx so much?
>>1111883
He realized he was so absolutely and totally BTFO that he had no response other than
>Y-you're a Jew!
>>1111897
>a good meme is made
>stalinists respond by making an incredibly butthurt and unfunny version
literally every time
>>1111945
can you show me the good meme
>>1111950
>>1111945
To be fair the original (not the real original the anarchist one) has become so overused that it is perfectly inevitable that someone would create a counter to it.
It's like how for a time this was a very popular socialist meme. Then libertarians edited it. Then socialists re-edited the edit.
>>1111954
counter memes are fucking unfunny regardless of which ideology it endorses. picture related
>>1111883
He put an enormous premium on liberty, and he thought Marx's brand of socialism infringed on that liberty. The dispute quickly became more than theoretical in nature, and Bakunin and his faction were expelled from the Hague Congress by Marx's faction. He was also an antisemite, but I don't believe that was the root cause of the enmity.
>>1111883
Marx picked fights with everyone. (And so did fucking Bakunin.)
Especially other socialists. His writings can be an indecipherable mess for most readers, because he keeps going on tangents about time-relevant topics. While a good way to present himself to his contemporaries, he and Engels had to address that in all their epilogues. Which they did a bunch of as well because things kept getting outmoded.
Engels on the other hand kept his shit together, but maybe that's what made him boring.
>>1111954
If you have the counter-meme to this, I'd be eternally greatful.
>>1112066
Speaking of Stirner, why did he hate him?
>>1112035
Liberty is more important than equality
because without liberty there can be no equality
>>1112080
Communism is the biggest spook around
>>1112081
liberty and equality are literally the same thing in a collective sense
freedom is just not being bound to anybody else, so a free society always has perfect social equality
>>1112089
>liberty and equality are literally the same thing in a collective sense
not at all since equality also implies mediocrity and therefore no one left behind or running ahead.
>>1112093
>not at all since equality also implies mediocrity and therefore no one left behind or running ahead
nice meme but literally nobody has ever believed this
>>1112101
Bakunin did
>>1112112
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>>1112080
Stirner brushed one of Marx's topics, also his point of view could be seen as something to oppose. And I guess Schmidt's writings were pretty well-received in their circles at the time to warrant an autistic backlash from the duo. Or maybe they'd been drinking at some point.
In fact they probably had been, since Engels knew him from before and even wrote a poem about him
>Look at Stirner, look at him, the peaceful enemy of all constraint.
>For the moment, he is still drinking beer,
>Soon he will be drinking blood as though it were water.
>When others cry savagely "down with the kings"
>Stirner immediately supplements "down with the laws also."
>Stirner full of dignity proclaims;
>You bend your willpower and you dare to call yourselves free.
>You become accustomed to slavery
>Down with dogmatism, down with law
The depiction we have of him is also made by Engels, who also depicted some caricatures of other writers.
Most of these things I can't imagine is anything but good banter, something Max Stirner, or Johann Schmidt, was also aware of.
>>1111945
this
>>1111945
This, and I don't even like reds much in general. Marx and Bakunin are the same shit for me but the anarchist one is funny and the socialist is simply not.
>>1112382
To be fair the socialist one raises a good point.
Communist states still exist and communist revolutions still happen whilst anarchists are still wanking to Catalonia which lasted for like 5 minutes.
>>1112804
>communist revolutions still happen
What successful Marxist-approved revolutions have happened recently?
>>1112804
>Communist states still exist
Just barely.
>>1111954
>I mow your lawn therefore i own your lawn!
>>1112872
There was a Maoist revolution in Nepal where they deposed the monarchy and made massive gains.
>>1111883
He didn't hate him, they were great friends.
Bakunin, though, rightly recognized that a state established by the proletariat has the same potential to oppress as a bourgeois state.
Marx was completely convinced, due to the success of the Paris Commune, that a temporary dictatorship of the proletariat would be ethical.
>>1111954
I always read this in Jimmy Stewart's voice
>>1112872
Rojava, obviously.
>>1112956
Rojava is just as anarchist as it is Marxist, although I'd argue that, like the Zapatistas, it's not really either.
