Is this literally Good Goy: The Philosophy?
>>1081111
It's just the most uninspired, banal philosophy the greeks ever shat out. You know it's lame shit when the romans adopt it wholesale.
Also nice quads.
>>1081147
top kek
you're an actual retard
>>1081147
Why, because it offers practical and useful advice? Would you rather read obsolete theories about forms or motion?
>>1081150
t. marcus "assblasted" aurelius
>>1081147
Stay jelly.
>>1081159
This.
>>1081147
The emptiness which proceeds the emptiness in the cup is in your head
>>1081111
It's literally an anti-consumerist philosophy. Not Jewish at all.
Combine in with Rousseau's thoughts on the shit institutions of society, and you get people wanting to never work and become self-sufficient rural farmers for the simple life.
>>1081173
It is a life denying feel good garbage. No successful person is a stoic.
>>1081159
>Would you rather read obsolete theories about forms or motion?
If I'm going to obsess over an ancient philosophical school, I'm at least going to pick an interesting one.
>>1081173
>Epicureanism did it better
debatable, but a legit gripe I guess. still doesn't discount stoicism for what it is
>>1081182
so is Christianity and Buddhism
>>1081182
>successful
Care to elaborate, goyim?
>>1081159
> it offers practical and useful advice
Practical, useful and as banal as you need to not forget how to breathe. You should not give a fuck about things that you can't change?! You need to be a retard to give a fuck at the first place, for the fucking sake. Can you honestly name one advice that wouldn't be a some kind of trivial banality, for example? Just try to do this and you will see why stoicism is a joke.
>>1081182
>No successful person is a stoic.
>>1081191
But what is it? A play-it-safe hodgepodge with few if any original ideas.
If it helps someone live a better life then that's great, but then again so can most philosophies.
>>1081196
You obviously don't understand the exact concept you just named at all. You're getting mad at his response, when it isn't in your control. You are whoring your mind to him as we speak.
Read the Enchiridion a few times. It will help in understanding.
>>1081196
You are just uniformed. I recommend that you read the Enchiridion and give stoicism a fair chance instead of dismissing it so flippantly.
>>1081182
retard hedonist cuck detected
>>1081225
>minimalist
>not retarded
pick one
>>1081225
Just admit it..you're a NEET waifu hugging failure. That;s why you garbage hedonism.
>>1081230
>learning to be happy with less
>retarded
>>1081205
> You obviously don't understand
Being mad and whoring my mind is my conscious choice in this situation. So can you name at least one non-banal advice or not? Seems like you can't do this and trying to ignore question instead.
>>1081225
wow i thought stoics are supposed to easy-going and content with their lives.
so much for that, your blood vessels are popping all over the place m8.
>>1081223
Maybe you can offer practical and useful advice of so called wisdom of stoicism? Just to show that a book worth to read, for example.
>>1081147
"Epicureanism"
top kek
Young faggot : the philosophy
>>1081251
>something isn't 100% original
>therefore...
Therefore what, exactly? Even if it is "banal", which is what you claimed and therefore you have the responsibility to show it is banal, what's your point?
Can someone explain that meme about how you can't be both stoicist and hedonist? It here some kind of contradiction between philosophies or just fan clubs being mad against each other?
>>1081251
>you need to be a retard for giving a fuck in the first place
So you literally admitted you're retarded.
>>1081263
epicureanism is stoicism for those who aren't depressed losers
>>1081258
Not the same guy, what do you want ?
Because Enkheiridion is extremely short to read.
>>1081258
It's a very very short book. Less than 10 pages. If you need a primer to a book that is essentially a primer, you should not engage yourself in philosophy quite yet, and learn literacy first.
>>1081265
> you have the responsibility to show it is banal
Well... If it wasn't banal you could already prove that by sharing some interesting advice, isn't it? Seems pretty self-evident to me.
>>1081276
With your definition, it seems like you consider yourself a stoic ; in that case, you should start acting as such.
>>1081247
>vacuous happiness
Just smoke weed m8
>>1081294
I don't know if every single idea presented in the Enchiridion had already been proposed by another philosopher prior to Epicurus, so perhaps we assume that everything is "banal."
Again, what's your point?
>>1081111
>Is this literally Good Goy: The Philosophy?
What the fuck does that even mean you memeing wanker
>>1081302
>vacuous happiness
You don't really think that phrase means anything, do you? Do you truly believe happiness to be grounded upon consumerism?
>>1081327
When you are going about any action, remind yourselfwhat nature the action is. If you are going to bathe, picture to yourselfthe things which usually happen in the bath: some people splash the water,some push, some use abusive language, and others steal. Thus you will moresafely go about this action if you say to yourself, "I will now go bathe,and keep my own mind in a state conformable to nature." And in the samemanner with regard to every other action. For thus, if any hindrance arisesin bathing, you will have it ready to say, "It was not only to bathe thatI desired, but to keep my mind in a state conformable to nature; and Iwill not keep it if I am bothered at things that happen.
>>1081314
>happiness
>>1081327
Your argument is premised upon "banal = bad" and that doesn't make any sense. Do you like saying it because it sounds like anal?
The entire book is filled with things that seem self-evident, however, few people put into practice the "advice" in their daily lives, and allow themselves to devolve into simpletons who whore out their will to others. You read it often, and then try to act in accordance with it.
>>1081306
> Again, what's your point?
My point is slightly different. Stoicism maybe was an original line of thought for its time, but now it is dated in that sense that it was ingrained to deeply in modern culture and known to everyone anyway. It seems very banal to me because of it. Banal as cliches from old movies, figuratively speaking.
>>1081258
>>1081327
>>1081278
>I
"Of things some are in our power, and others are not. In our power are opinion, movement toward a thing, desire, aversion (turning from a thing); and in a word, whatever are our own acts: not in our power are the body, property, reputation, offices (magisterial power), and in a word, whatever are not our own acts. And the things in our power are by nature free, not subject to restraint nor hindrance: but the things not in our power are weak, slavish, subject to restraint, in the power of others. Remember then that if you think the things which are by nature slavish to be free, and the things which are in the power of others to be your own, you will be hindered, you will lament, you will be disturbed, you will blame both gods and men: but if you think that only which is your own to be your own, and if you think that what is another's, as it really is, belongs to another, no man will ever compel you, no man will hinder you, you will never blame any man, you will accuse no man, you will do nothing involuntarily (against your will), no man will harm you, you will have no enemy, for you will not suffer any harm."
>XX
"Remember that it is not he who reviles you or strikes you, who insults you, but it is your opinion about these things as being insulting. When, then, a man irritates you, you must know that it is your own opinion which has irritated you."
cont.
>>1081345
This, books like the Enchiridion or the Meditations are books of aphorisms. You're not supposed to just skim through it once and move on, you're supposed to read them repeatedly until you internalize the principles in it and it becomes habit.
>>1081355
>XVI
"When you see a person weeping in sorrow either when a child goes abroad or when he is dead, or when the man has lost his property, take care that the appearance do not hurry you away with it, as if he were suffering in external things.[7] But straightway make a distinction in your own mind, and be in readiness to say, it is not that which has happened that afflicts this man, for it does not afflict another, but it is the opinion about this thing which afflicts the man. So far as words, then, do not be unwilling to show him sympathy,[8] and even if it happens so, to lament with him. But take care that you do not lament internally also."
>XXI
"Let death and exile and every other thing which appears dreadful be daily before your eyes; but most of all death: and you will never think of anything mean nor will you desire anything extravagantly."
>XXII
"If you desire philosophy, prepare yourself from the beginning to be ridiculed, to expect that many will sneer at you, and say, He has all at once returned to us as a philosopher; and whence does he get this supercilious look for us? Do you not show a supercilious look; but hold on to the things which seem to you best as one appointed by God to this station. And remember that if you abide in the same principles, these men who first ridiculed will afterward admire you: but if you shall have been overpowered by them, you will bring on yourself double ridicule."
cont.
>>1081362
>XLVI
"On no occasion call yourself a philosopher, and do not speak much among the uninstructed about theorems (philosophical rules, precepts): but do that which follows from them. For example, at a banquet do not say how a man ought to eat, but eat as you ought to eat. For remember that in this way Socrates also altogether avoided ostentation: persons used to come to him and ask to be recommended by him to philosophers, and he used to take them to philosophers: so easily did he submit to being overlooked. Accordingly, if any conversation should arise among uninstructed persons about any theorem, generally be silent; for there is great danger that you will immediately vomit up what you have not digested. And when a man shall say to you, that you know nothing, and you are not vexed, then be sure that you have begun the work (of philosophy). For even sheep do not vomit up their grass and show to the shepherds how much they have eaten; but when they have internally digested the pasture, they produce externally wool and milk. Do you also show not your theorems to the uninstructed, but show the acts which come from their digestion."
Also, look at the I, it's the starting point.
>>1081337
Well, I guess this one is interesting. I wouldn't follow it but I must admit that I was somewhat wrong in my evaluations of stoicism.
>>1081375
I'd take the time to read the Enchiridion. It's so short, but there are great lessons to be taken from it.
>>1081379
Yes. I will give it a try.
>>1081398
Nobody is asking that you suddenly start identifying as an Epicurean and begin proselytizing for the philosophy, by the way. But I promise that you will take at least a few positive lessons from the Handbook.
Good luck, friend.
>>1081403
THANKS DAD
>>1081182
how is stoicism life-denying?
>>1081173
epicureanism is the ultimate impractical feel-good philosophy. even hedonism is less gay
>>1082241
This.
>>1082241
I'll admit it''s not for everyone, as you need at least the basics of a normal life to make it work.
However if you're a homeless, friendless, joyless bum, then stoicism is the path for you.
>>1081182
>No successful person is a stoic.
Dude, seriously? You do know that the most famous of their philosophers was a fucking Emperor, right?
I think both Epicureanism and Stoicism have useful lessons to teach people as philosophy, and I feel they nail what I consider to be the most important aspect of philosophy: teaching people to lead better, more fulfilled lives. That said, I don't think one should follow either just for the sake of living up to them; take what is useful to you from each and discard the rest.
>Epicureanism
Seek Pleasure
>Stoicism
Avoid Pain
this is the major difference
>>1082694
Actually, Stoics don't advocate avoiding pain. You should neither seek pleasure as a good, nor avoid pain as an evil with Stoicism. Epicureanism suggests doing both of those.
>>1082700
but they do stupid faggot read a book sometime
>>1082728
I've read a book, you fucking asshole. The Stoics advocate pursuing your moral duties as befitting of your station, regardless of the pain doing so may cause you.
>>1082728
don't shit up the thread you retard. avoiding pain is not something they advocate. they advocate facing pain head on, since it's unavoidable. Marcus Aurelius states this almost verbatim in meditations.
source: books
>>1081182
>successful
How would you define success? Because I've grown up surrounded by rich people in a sunny state who think they're valuable because they went to good schools and closed lucrative deals, but are empty worthless people that have no function beyond making imaginary numbers grow.
The only success a human can achieve is balance, love, and contentment with the realities of life, and being your brand of "successful" is not conductive to any of that.
>>1082651
yeah and he's such a happy-looking guy too
>>1085528
literally what does this mean
If you have nothing useful to say, feel free to just not post anything. there's no need to feel obliged to shitpost
Those that purported to be Stoics also practices Polemics.
Those that purported to be Zen also took up weapons.
Those that purported Peaceful religions took up swords and bombs.
Peace is a lie, but this doesn't mean war amongst ourselves is necessary.
We are to fight intellectual dishonesty and suffering. After a fair and honest fight we can sleep well at night.
>>1081111
What's the best book for stoicism?
>>1081244
but a waifu hugging neet is usually a hedonist
>>1081268
Because you can't combine virtue ethics with hedonism at all?
>>1085574
Are you going to be doing any fighting, or will you just post inauthentic statements from a position of false courage to try to appeal to romanticized sentiments of just warfare? If so, then fuck off and go read Ivanhoe instead of trying to break societal advancement.
>>1085739
>trying to break societal advancement.
>dude just be happy lmao
Meme philosophy with shit tier practical advice.
Mystic traditions that emphasis practices like meditation and prayer are far danker.
>>1086849
wow, nice reading comprehension. it's probably the best practical philosophy there is. it's about facing pain and adversity, not avoiding it. plus, meditation is something they bring up. mindfulness. please read more than a wikipedia article before you post
>>1081352
>but now it is dated in that sense that it was ingrained to deeply in modern culture and known to everyone anyway
Known is not the same as practiced.
Wew lads, this thread was fucking dead because we showed Stoicism is GOAT already. Let it stay dead.
>>1081342
My god, it was a spook all along.
>>1082694
More like
>Stoicism:*take bong rip* 'suffering is, like all in your head dude...
>you can like, tell your mind pain is ok and you'll just, like be OK with pain maaaaan.....
>>1087059
>I don't understand it all
That's okay, anon. We understand reading is hard.
>>1087075
That's basically what Epictetus said, though. Like, he literally believed that only your opinion of things was evil. So while you might feel pain, you only suffer because you think pain sucks.
The bong rips were just for comic effect.
>>1081352
>stoicism is deeply ingrained into our modern culture
stoicism is so vastly contrary to what our culture believes today, you can say a certain word starting with the letter 'n', and everyone will lose their minds.
>>1087106
>you only suffer because you think pain sucks.
Or because pain actually does suck.
>>1087106
He didn't consider them evil, just unvirtuous, as in you were living up to your highest self.
That said, you can totally discipline yourself to better handle adverse conditions, and stoics advocated a sort of meditative practice of constant introspection as a means to do so.
This is something people often miss about Stoicism. It wasn't just a matter of holding certain beliefs, to them adhering to a philosophy was a matter of practice; an actual skill that one had to hone.
>>1081225
stoics are the true cucks really
>>1082694
>Avoid pain
Wrong.
>>1081182
>What is Marco Aurelio
>>1087351
who's that some italian?
>>1087483
>>1081352
What we have today, in fact have been having for 3 centuries, is some liberals and libertarians who cling to the idea that liberalism should not be about unbridled hedonism.
Of course, these people fail to stop being hedonists and the remaining people are completely hedonist.
People here really don't have much of an idea about Stoicism.
Where did the people that absolutely hate it learned about it?
>>1081182
>No successful person is a stoic.
Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius are revered as some of the greatest rulers of all time.
Arrian was the greatest historian of his age, the greatest philosopher of his age, and a powerful Roman Emperor that stopped a large Alan invasion.
>>1081352
Stoicism is completely at odds with popular culture.
Stoicism is just a safer version of cynicism.
And that's perfectly okay because not everyone can bear the burden of being Diogenes.
If you're not a stoic, you're literally a woman/child. Not a man.
>>1087825
>the vast majority of men throughout human history have actually been women and children
Yeah OK, that's stupid.
>>1087351
An unhappy person who hated everyone around him, despised that he has no time to do what he wants, and thought the masses aren't worth the effort, but did it anyway.
Basically the most depressed, sad, pathetic human soul to ever exist, living with a strong hatred towards the very people he served without joy, just on principle.
>>1089788
a man of integrity.
you have no integrity, so you do not see the excellence in stoic conduct
>>1089788
So the ultimate goal in life is the blindly follow your desires?
>>1089788
Lets not forget he was also a shit father and his son turned out to be possibly the worst emperor in the history of Rome.
>>1089812
Thats a direct result of having a bitter, cynical father who is never with you for longer than to tell you he hates what he is doing, but does it anyway because reasons.
>>1089797
The ultimate goal of life sure as fuck isn't do do the opposite of what you want for the sake of people you dislike.
>>1089788
That's what you took from meditations? His gripes sounded to me like the same bog-standard shit basically everyone has to say about their lives. "Work sucks, I don't have enough time to do the shit I want to do, and people are annoying." I don't think he was by any stretch the most depressed, sad, pathetic, human soul to ever live, by any stretch of the imagination.
>>1089833
Most people don't have the power to quite literally do whatever they want.
He was in a position to be anyone, to do anything, and chose to be the equivalent of a miserable 80 hour work week wageslave stuck with a wife he doesn't love and a son he hasn't seen much of, licking the asses of his less educated bosses.
>>1089820
he was being a good ruler in sacrificing his own selfishnesses for the greater collective. if anything this nakes stoicism that much formidible as a philosophy. you're just an idiot and too weak to live by principle
>>1089820
Then you clealy lack any meaningful life experience. You're not always given a choice in life. Some tasks in life are just that, tasks. They may be the opposite of what you want, for the sake of people you dislike, but then again sometimes what you want doesn't really help you on the long term, and sometimes you might dislike people for really petty reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with their merits or lack of merits
>>1089838
>Most people don't have the power to quite literally do whatever they want.
That's the thing, he was doing what he wanted. He felt that his life of virtue and duty was more important than his own immediate gratification.
But seriously, I doubt the life of an emperor that wasn't some bungler aiming to drive his empire into the ground is all fun and games. I'd wager his journal seems more miserable because he wrote in it when he needed to remind himself of his philosophical lessons (when shit was stressful or miserable).
>>1089854
>he was doing what he wanted
He explicitly states in his little diary that he isn't doing what he wanted.
>>1089865
No, he states in his diary that he's forgoing his immediate desires to pursue a life of virtue. He was still ultimately doing what he wanted because he wasn't controlled by an outside force; he was acting entirely upon his own will.
>>1089870
He is quite literally stating what he wished he were doing instead of annoying bureaucracy and boot licking lesser people.
>>1089879
Again, forgoing immediate desires. Was there an outside force controlling his actions? If no, then how could he have been doing anything but what he wanted to be doing? You said it yourself, he had the power to do literally anything.
>>1089886
>Was there an outside force controlling his actions?
Yes, death greeks whispering in his ears. He was brainwashed into being an empire running robot instead of a person. I'd love for there to be more people like that around me, but I sure as fuck wouldn't be one myself.
Stay stoic, lad, I love it when you clean the street to a shine and paint your house every summer so it looks nice for me to walk past. Just don't expect me to think much of you.
>>1089906
>death greeks
Dead greeks*, referring to the light weight cynics we know as stoics.
>>1081167
Holy Cow, that mask looks exactly like Brendan Fraser
>>1090276
I literally thought that too from the thumbnail
>>1081199
With all the bantz and edgy shenanigans I'm tempted to argue that Taleb is actually a Cynic deep down.
What makes edgelords hate Stoicism? Is that the Nietzsche influence?
>>1090309
Begging the question fallacy.
>>1090342
What do you mean? Not every edgelord supports Nietzsche.
Marcus Aurelius was a good Emperor, but he was not a master Stoic. He was not an Epictetus.
The Meditations are his personal exercises, not a treatise on philosophy. Whenever he failed, he would write down. So, of course they will look negative. He didn't go out there and write about the times he was amazing or feeling super happy, since there was no point on that.
>>1090360
>What makes edgelords hate Stoicism?
Your question is loaded. It claims that edgelords hate stoicism, without proving it.
You place your claim inside a question, so that every answer to that question assumes your claim is true, validating it.
What you should ask is "do all edgelords hate stoicism? if so, why?", and you should establish what stoicism you mean (cynics, epicurus, aurelius, modern), and what you mean by "edgelord", and what you mean by "hate", since it can be disagreement, dislike or active hatred and opposition.
>>1090465
This happens in all threads about Stoicism.
>>1090493
You continue to not provide the definitions for edgelord, hate, and stoicism that you use to make that claim.
How can I answer you why this thing happens, when you can't show me it happens, or even what it is?
>>1090564
You don't want to answer anything, you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.
>>1090575
And you don't argue your point, meaning you don't believe it strongly enough to be invested in it.
>>1090595
Yeah, this is not an academic seminar.
>>1090609
Why make a claim if you wont back it up then?
The other posters will just discard it the same way you did.
>>1090616
What is the point of your posts? That was just a light comment.
All the other comments on this thread are also as light as that one, so why did you focus only on that?
>>1090642
Are you now complaining that I asked you to back up your claims? Why even accuse people if you aren't willing to follow it up?
I'll delete my posts if you delete yours, this isn't going anywhere.
>>1090616
This is fucking 4chan, you imbecile. Nobody is impressed that you know what logical fallacies are. We all do, too. He was asking a simple question that, given this thread's content, was warranted in the context of the thread.
Fuck off.
>>1090654
I am an imbecile because you shit out a post that you wont back up?
>>1090651
Yes. This is a message board. That was a simple question. You don't need to go anal on every term.
>>1090661
No, you're an imbecile because you're being this much of a cunt over that guys post on a thread ABOUT STOICISM (irony, fuck) on a Chinese Cartoon Forum.
>>1090661
Yes. You are not impressing anyone with your bullshit.
>>1090662
I want to answer your simple question. Explain it to me so I can help you out.
What did you mean by edgelords, what did you mean by hate, and what did you mean by stoicism? I wouldn't want there to be misunderstanding between us as I answer it.
>>1090668
Do you feel that your post calling me an imbecile and cunt, and saying fuck over and over is a very stoic one?
Do you think that refusing to follow up your opinion and back it up, and instead barking as you run away is particularly stoic?
Maybe you are just confused as to what the word means, and thats why you feel "edgelords" "hate" "stoicism".
>>1090683
Friend, I'm not even the guy who made that post. I made that quite clear by saying "he" multiple times. No, my actions were not very Stoic, as I'm trying to better myself and align myself with stoicism more, but it's an active process. You still are an imbecile, though. :)
>>1090672
You obviously don't want to answer a single question. If you wanted, the terms are common enough that you would have answered already. Chances are, you are the one that was called an edgylord by the other guy
>>1090692
You could be a stoic and stand your ground and define this post >>1090309 , regardless if its yours or not, since you appear to support it.
>>1090695
If I answer your question you will say that oh, I meant those OTHER edgelords, or I meant not loathe, but dislike, and I meant stoicism as in that, not this.
Terms have to be defined and agreed on before we can discuss, else you will simply move the goal posts around as it suits you.
>>1090699
Then, answer the question based on what you mean by stoicism, hate and edgylord.
>>1090713
Okay.
By what I understand by these terms, "edgelords hate stoicism" because edgelords are people who enjoy hating anything. Theirs is a culture of disliking things, and thinking anyone who is enthusiastic or optimistic about something a moron who can't see the reality.
Edgelords hate everything, and not stoicism in particular. Pop music, popular games and cinema, fashion, tv shows, social movements, spheres of education, everything that they in person arent invested in. Stoicism isnt special in any way in their eyes.
>>1090725
Did that hurt? You could have just answered that in the first place.
>>1090725
You fell for his bait. Say goodbye to your morning.
>>1090729
If I had, you would've explained that your edgelords don't hate everything, or my definition of hate is flawed since people don't go on moral crusades against Game of Thrones episodes, or that what I perceive as stoicism is only the pop culture definition of it.
And I assure you it hurts as much to just define these yourself instead of exchanging 10 posts calling me an imbecile for asking it of you.
>>1090739
Well, did I do that?
>>1081182
The whole fucking philosophy is centered around doing the most that you can every single moment of your life, working your ass off and then fully enjoying its fruit, and the shit that you can't change, like your acne, you just ignore it and take life by its balls anyway.
It's the philosophy that makes men out of little twix-munching bitches.
>>1090763
Only if your definition of man is the same as Bismack's and your dream is to be the most productive factory worker.
>>1090764
What? Considering how annoyed I was by your idiotic questions, why do you think I would do the same?
>>1090770
You sound retarded, sorry.
>>1090777
Yet here you are, asking two more questions, both of them useless.
>>1090770
Are you dumb or something?
>>1090782
No, there is only one question and it is very relevant. Why do you think I would be as anal as you were? How many people in this thread were as anal as you were for you to think this would happen?
>a whole philosophy dedicated to being a non reactionary pothead
No thanks.
This thread went to shit, due to this guy >>1090342 >>1090396
Being pedantic is annoying. "Hate", "Stoicism" and "Edgelords" in an informal conversation on 4chan are not exactly terms that need to be strictly defined.
>>1090309
>What makes edgelords hate Stoicism?
Stoicism basically says that the most important thing is to be virtuous. A virtuous person basically would be one that doesn't look for pleasure as a good, that treats others with kindness and who is not prone to drama and depression.
I can't think of anyone that would be uncooler for your average rebellious teenager that can be called an edgelord. They think that Tyrion from Game of Thrones and rockstars with their personal demons are the coolest people ever.
>>1090869
This is begging the question. What is your definition of "philosophy", "non" "reactionary" and "pothead"?
Just kidding.
Stoics wouldn't be potheads, since they strongly valued rationality and didn't value pleasure.
>>1090901
>thread went to shit because of the one single person in the thread acting stoic
hehe
>>1089906
But I'm not a stoic. I just think your flippant dismissal of the philosophy is stupid. They had some good ideas, and you could learn shit from them.
>>1085626
If you want to know about stoicism you should start with its origin or else you will misunderstand everything like faggots in here do.
>hurr meditations is nothing but complaining how much life sucks durr
Start by reading about Diogenes, then the letters of Crates of Thebes, then Zeno. To go even deeper you can try De finibus bonorum et malorum books 3 and 4 by Cicero. Then to finish off read Meditations and things will be clear.
>>1092060
Personally, what I did was start out with a university article on Stoicism and then move on to Meditations.
Stoics are just useless
Utilitarians are GOAT
Stoicism is reverse SJW-ism
SJW-ism: I can't control what offends me and how I feel, but I can control what everyone else thinks of me and what they say
Stoicism: You can only control your judgements
SJWs: Sex is the most important thing. Virtues are unimportant.
Stoicism: Virtues are the most important thing. Sex for the sole sake of pleasure makes you a worse person.
SJWs: Men should be more emotional and cry
Stoicism: Men should focus on the right judgements, which will make them stronger
>>1090286
Yeah but arent stoics just cynics+?
>>1081182
>2016
>life denying
>success
Fucking Americans.
>>1095181
But SJWism is not a philosophy. SJWism is an apocalyptic cult that sees the white male as the ultimate Satan, and aims to destroy this ultimate evil in some kind of cataclysmic revolution
To approach SJWism as some kind of distinct, structured philosophy is missing the point. They're utopianists, and don't care about arguments
>>1087722
It's a very heavy burden. I couldn't bear it.
>>1095181
>SJWs: Sex is the most important thing. Virtues are unimportant.
SJWs don't all think this way, a fair few of them are sexless prudes
>Sex for the sole sake of pleasure makes you a worse person.
Which would make them agree with this.
>>1095377
Prude SJWs? Where?
>>1081111
>Is this literally Good Goy: The Philosophy?
Just go back to the /pol/ already.
>>1089906
You're going to end up a broken man.
Stoicism is the beginning, but too many people treat it as the end.
>>1098394
What do ye mean?
