Can someone please explain that?
Why didnt Africans capitalize on the civilization whites brought them to develop after independence?
Something genetics, something culture, something capitalism, something China
>>1055384
One thing is that the "civilization" they brought was entirely made for profit and for bringing or sending stuff to the metropole. They didn't care for the development of the african lands, they got there to take the resources and bring them back. They organized everything according to the metropole needs, not the local ones.
>>1055384
>the Chinese guy banting him with that smile
>the black guy barely managing not to punch him in the face
This video is priceless.
>>1055384
Power was seized by people who were either corrupt, incompetent or both.
>>1055384
Tough words for Chinks to say when they were in the same boat as Africa's
Imagine being a lone chinese dude trying to civilize these....people
>>1055410
Yeah, it's hard to civilize when you're not civilized :^)
>>1055410
I can only understand why whites gave up on civilizing them almost as soon as they arrived
Because whites only cared about extracting resources and had no intention to create educated middle class of engineers, managers and entrepreneurs to run the country, or even creating basic education system at all. No wonder everything went to shit once whites left and there were no one to replace them.
Any time the ruling class moves out of an area, it goes to shit.
After the Romans left Britain it was exactly the same. Locally, the workers can take over the factory, but they might not be connected to the lines of credit to pay everyone, or the supply lines for raw materials.
>>1055420
>Because whites only cared about extracting resources and had no intention to create educated middle class of engineers, managers and entrepreneurs to run the country, or even creating basic education system at all.
I think you're exaggerating. The end of the British Empire wasn't something the colonizing power had planned. The process of creating this middle class was interrupted by global upheaval. If the World Wars hadn't happened (I know how big this "if" is) Africa could have been developed properly. The British Empire should have been federalized.
>>1055408
> they were in the same boat as Africa's
Only if by "the same boat" you mean "not white". China's situation was nothing like African one.
>>1055398
The motivation behind installing that infrastructure are irrelevant.
>>1055408
>Tough words for Chinks to say when they were in the same boat as Africa's
What same boat?
The only European bits of China that were colonized was those concessions in the Coast. The rest were left to stew in Chaos as the country broke down. The majority of the country did not have the benefit of Western Inrastructure.
But kek, modern infrastructure was still built even when central authority collapsed. The Republic and the Individual Warlords reached out to western advisors on almost anything and sent government funded scholars overseas themselves even when they were still fighting each other horribly.
>>1055429
Not really. British and French Africa were different worlds that were designed and developed with no intention of ever being integrated economically.
>>1055434
>Who is Oswald Mosley
>>1055384
Two things
The infrastructure was primarily built to extract resources and materials from colonies and a lot of colonies had not a lot of investment.
Second there were not enough skilled workers in Africa to maintain much of the infrastructure that was there. People give educated elites a lot of shit but life is immeasurably worse when none exist.
>>1055436
Exactly, a nobody
>>1055384
Westernization could have been achieved without the exploitation. West Africa was advancing well enough through simply trading with Europeans.
>>1055436
A man who didn't influence the development of African infrastructure very much.
>>1055384
Arbitrary borders which don't reflect ethnic situation on the ground, resulting in constant civil wars, same shit happened in the Middle East.
>>1055451
wew lad
>>1055451
It's even worse than the
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>>1055384
Is this a documentary? Anyone have the name by chance?
>>1055451
the straight borders are bullshit but what would be a better way to draw borders in Africa? Giving each ethnic group a country would be unpractical.
>>1055398
Good meme
>>1055465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
>>1055471
good counter argument
>>1055451
This. Plus:
1. "Muh infrastructure." - Most of the interior was still with little to no road access, roads were unpaved and still are. It's not like most nations were left with 1940's era infrastructure after WWII.
2. Political systems were totally fucked. The borders made no sense. Old tribal ruling systems were adapted for colonialism, but African sub-rulers relied on their colonizers for the power to rule. When they left, there was a huge power vacuum.
3. Opportunism. African leaders got very rich basically doing what the colonialists had done to their own people. The Gold Coast actually saw its GDP and standard of living shoot down after independence. It is hardly alone in this.
4. Banks let the corrupt rulers hang themselves with their own debt.
Also, the whole "constantly warring" Africa thing is more the lens of the late-1980's on. There were plenty of coups in Africa, and some wars before, but a lot of the first generation regimes were remarkably durable for how shitty they were.
>>1055472
Thanks lad
>>1055471
You can build limited amounts of infrastructure anywhere.
I can drive out to the middle of Death Valley and find a golf course, bar, and shopping center around the one place that has water.
>>1055468
>Giving each ethnic group a country would be unpractical.
How so?
>>1055471
Oh, look, a city near a major trade route in a part of Africa that's been in contact with the civilized world for a very long time looked nice at one point
How pertinent to your argument
>>1055495
The burden of proof is on you to show why every ethnic group in Africa should have been given a state in the first place.
>>1055495
studying african geography would be pretty hard for middle schoolers
>>1055451
>Multiculty is great! except when its on non white countries then its bad ;^)
I want /leftpol/ to leave
>>1055495
Because no African country would give up their rule for a load of ethical tribes.
>>1055518
False analogy. Europenis states aren't artificially drawn up.
Everyone is missing the most important answer.
Rapid population explosion leading to massive overpopulation.
>>1055541
No but people from other etnic groups are moving there in mass, are you retarded?
>>1055518
>>Multiculty is great!
I never said that though, I want /pol/ to stop imagining things.
>>1055559
>Immigration doesn't happen within Africa.
Are you retarded?
Anyway, the main beef of people against African borders is that its arbitrary, was determined by a foreign cunt, and leads to some ethnic violence. Nobody raises stink on countries in iFrica where this doesn't happen albeit there are few of these countries.
>>1055428
Chinese slaves are cheaper than africans
>>1055570
You're literally just applying the Al-Jazeera narrative about the Middle-East to Africa.
>>1055451
BUT DIVERSITY IS STRENGHT
>>1055451
BUT RACES AREN'T REAL
>>1055389
>China
>>1055384
what is this from?
>>1055584
but only when its diverse and not a bunch of non diverse isolated factions
More bombs fell in Vietnam than in all african history but viets still manage to have some decent country.
Blacks are just stupid, that's the truth.
>>1055593
Why, though?
>>1055591
empire of dust
>>1055570
American states are also cut like that and they don't kill each other.
>>1055597
Damage control.
Leftism is a mental disease.
>>1055594
But the truth is racist and thus should be banned
>>1055588
MAGA
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>>1055597
diversity breeds innovation
and genetic mutations
>>1055605
not all genetic mutations are good
>>1055605
>diversity breeds innovation
Is that true?
>and genetic mutations
Do these bring strength?
>>1055601
So you saying races are real and diversity is not strengh?
>>1055605
The more diverse a country is, the poorest.
>>1055600
American states are glorified provinces, you dumb hick.
>>1055570
Immigration is extremely limited in Africa 1950-present.
>>1055605
>diversity breeds innovation
To find new ways to kill the other ethnicities like necklacing for example.
>and genetic mutations
You mean low iq
>>1055616
Not an argument.
>>1055446
>Not knowing his plans for the British Empire
>>1055581
The Al Jazeera narrative would be
>DEY ALL EBIL BECAUSE ARBITRARY
When what I said was
>People bitch about states that are fucked up due to their abritraryness.
There's some states that aren't. Like Angola and others like them.
>>1055594
>Vietnam
>decent
Nigeria is unironically better
>>1055622
>60% white
>Diverse
Pick one
>>1055622
>U.S.A
>diverse
>multicultural
>>1055611
no thats what you are saying
im saying go back to your fucking containment board
>>1055598
where can i find it i dont see it on lameflix or kat.to
>>1055622
>diversity brings innovation
No it doesn't, it brings social conflict, a diversity of THOUGHT brings innovation. Are you saying people with different skin color think differently?
>having a relatively homogeneous population means they are inbred
You're this retarded aren't you?
>>1055627
Sure thing m8
>>1055500
No, it's on you for claiming that it would be unpractical. You didn't ask why each nation or if each ethnic group should have a nation, you claimed it was unpractical.
>>1055623
It is though. At the end of the day they're just administrative divisions.
>>1055627
Nigeria has 20 million ISIS supporters.
I'll take Vietnam.
>>1055628
>implying all white people are the same
the amount of ethnicites and nationalities in america would justify its diversity
>>1055634
Time to eat your shoe.
>>1055632
someone posted the youtube link in this thread
>>1055633
>Are you saying people with different skin color think differently?
People from other cultures do think differently.
>Social Conflict
>Yes, this can't happen in singular cultures or races. Nope. Not at all.
>>1055639
So what?
>>1055640
>Nigeria has 20 million ISIS supporters.
Vietnam has 20 million plus, unironic Communists who riot and kill capitalists every day.
>>1055644
Honduras Sudan and Papua better than Vietnam hahahaha
The classic
>>1055648
>Different cultures
Mixing VASTLY different cultures (See Europe and middle east/ Africa/ native american) breeds MASSIVE conflict.
However mixing SIMILAR cultures (see Europeans and Europeans) breeds pretty GOOD things.
>singular cultures
No such thing, and causes less conflict than mixing vastly difference cultures.
Stop this bait
>>1055648
>Africa is poor cause they are diverse
>Diversity is good
Pick one you fucking hack
>>1055649
American states =/= independent fucking countries? Not to mention independent states of people native to that land?
When will you dumb Amerihicks learn this? Same shit on /int/
>HURR WHY DO WE HAVE TO KNOW DIFFERENT COUNTRIES? MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT MUH STATES.
>>1055644
Thats not HDI
>>1055633
> Are you saying people with different skin color think differently?
no im saying people exposed to a wide range of cultures and people will generally be smarter and more experinced then someone who has been stuck in a tiny town with people who more or less look, act and think the same as him
>having a relatively homogeneous population means they are inbred
yes this is exactly what i am saying
What's the deal with african ethnicities though? Are they really that different?
I mean yu don't find this tribalism anywhere else when people that speak the same language fight because some have bigger ears.
Africans are just retarded, sorry.
>>1055659
>However mixing SIMILAR cultures (see Europeans and Europeans) breeds pretty GOOD things.
Yeah, after numerous massacres.
See France for a very good example.
>>1055660
>diversity is either always good or always bad
your IQ is too low for this discussion
>>1055663
So what again?
What makes them live peacefully and africans not?
>>1055637
Looking at that map, I think it's self evident that it would be impractical. The UN would look like the galactic senate if every patch on that map had it's own government.
I think we can agree that there are better places to draw borders, but with the interests of the colonial powers, plus the interests of the natives, taking into account ancient feuds and friendships, geological boundaries, trade routes, access to drinking water, shipping lanes, good farm land etc. it was always going to be a clusterfuck.
>>1055667
More people live in a single european country now than in all the continent in just two century.
Tiny little town haha what a dumbass.
Back to school.
>>1055669
>What's the deal with african ethnicities though? Are they really that different?
Not really, they're all niggers in the end
It's kinda like if Bavariians decided they were a different race than Rhinelanders
>>1055672
So now IQ is real?
>>1055685
More like people from Munich and people from Nuremberg fight each other for being taller.
>>1055673
Because American states are a bunch of artificially set up entities by people who belong to that country.
>Be American
>Settle somewhere
>Enough of you are in that place.
>Declare statehood.
Meanwhile African states aren't like this
>Have colonial master.
>Now he frees you, congrats.
>But leaves you with the artificial borders of his conquest based on the assumption that since he owned you for centuries you're one people.
>But both you and that other tribe know that's exactly not the case is it?
>Diversity will be great to european countries.
>Race is not real we are the same.
>Africa has lots of problems cause people from different ethnicities live in the same country.
Liberalism, not even once.
>>1055664
>HDI
GDP per capita is much better representation of living standards than HDI which takes into account "female politicial involvement" and therefore boosts Communist statistics a ton.
Either way, Vietnam is 140 and Nigeria 150 in HDI. They are roughly similar in that sense because only .005 separates them.
>>1055659
>Mixing VASTLY different cultures (See Europe and middle east/ Africa/ native american) breeds MASSIVE conflict.
only if you add socio economic struggle
there are more ethnicites in my neighborhood then you have ever seen in your life, aint anybody hating eachother becasuse of what god they pray to, what colour they have or what holidays they find important
i literally have muslims, hindus, sikhs, buddisths, christians and atheists on my fucking street you dont see any hate during the summer bbqs, ofc there is a wide variety of meat on the bbq but is about as bad as it gets
dont tell me multiculturalism dosent work because it fucking does
aslong as everyone is living comfortably in middle class
>>1055691
No one is pressing africans to not separate their countries into 30 little ones.
Blame them not us.
They are free now.
>>1055384
Why do people bitch about Arbitrary African borders as the cause for its problems when Southeast Asia is the fucking same? And they're moving upwards nonetheless?
>>1055696
>aslong as everyone is living comfortably in middle class
Yo mean never?
>>1055700
Because they can accept the fact that not everyone is equal.
These people are egalitarians, don't try to discuss with them.
>>1055697
>No one is pressing africans to not separate their countries into 30 little ones.
True
'>Blame them not us.
I was blaming their colonial masters you dumbsit. Any of the declining Euronegroes still colonial? No? Well then.
I was just taking a potshot at your incredibly stupid equation of African Countries with American """""""""""""""States""""""""""""".
>>1055700
because you're ignoring the countless ways that africa is different from southeast asia
>>1055707
The people that live in those states are not the ones that created them, those were 40 rich anglos just as the colonial masters you talk about.
Just look at South America too, they aren't as bad as Africa.
Why?
It's simple, the majority of people is not african in latin countries.
What country of America has more blacks?
Haiti.
What's the most fucked up cuntry?
Haiti
Notice any pattern?
>>1055714
>countless ways that africa is different from southeast asia
They aren't countless there's just one.
Blacks and asians are different, end of the story.
>>1055552
This is probably the right answer. However Africa was westernized a lot in the span of a century. Prior to the arrival of the European powers in the mid XIX there was just huts, lances and tribal way of life. Not to mention a completely different culture and attitude towards life. One century later, well it might look like a shithole but the change is amazing.
A fair comparison would be the aliens colonizing USA and building all sorts of alien infrastructure and proselytizing a totally alien culture and way of life, without caring much about educating the local americans or promoting the development of a local american middle class modeled after the alien cultural uses, ideas and values of what that actually means. And then one century later we could draw a comparison between USA and the aliens native planet, and see how things have changed and how civilized and proper looks America in comparison to the Alien homeland.
Tbh, I put my money on the Africans as best performers.
>>1055701
obviously everyone cant be middle class
but if people dont have to figth just to put food on the table and a roof over their heads or feel the need to resort to crime just to get ahead then the majority of the MASSIVE conflict you are talking about wouldent exist
TL DR people aint pissed because their neighboor is diffrent they pissed because they stuck in a debt trap
>>1055700
Because Southeast Asia did not have the same experience as Africa.
For one thing, a lot of SEAsian countries WERE historic countries. Not arbitrary creations.
>Kingdom of Thailand
>Kingdom of Burma.
>The Empire of Vietnam (funny as that sounds).
>Kingdom of Cambodia.
Then you have the people in Island Southeast Asia.
>Sultanate of Borneo.
>The various sultanates and empires that existed in Indonesia.
Literally centuries of people who lived with each other.
The only truly artificial one is the Philippines. BUT THERE'S A TWIST!
>300 years of Spic rule.
300. Compare that to 100 or even less years of Whitey in Africa. Spanish presence led to the creation a completely new identity of Hispanic Asians with Funny Latino names, and despite being linguistically disunited, were united in that hybrid Native-Hispanic culture that developed there.
In addition, the fact that the traditional method of rule in the Philippines was "the strongest warlord on the block" was utilized by Spain to rule over the tribes meant that their rule there was stable. Hell the Filipino chieftains were made into Lesser Spanish Nobility even. So a lot of them were happy. Ironically and funnily its the fact that these people begged to be a formal province of Spain and Spain not wanting that to happen started the nationalist separatism there.
So no, Southeast Asia had a different colonial experience than Africa.
>>1055725
Not true, there's no poverty in Europe and people are still pissed off.
>>1055696
>dont tell me multiculturalism dosent work because it fucking does
The moment economic well-being comes to a close, such setting invariably turns into a tinderbox of unrest.
>>1055734
Descolonization was forced by USA and the Soviets and because of it the whole world is doomed.
Africans will be 3 BILLION by the end of the century and they will invade the whole world destroying all thecnological and cultural prosperity just as they ruined all the colonial bridges and train tracks left by europeans.
If descolonization didn't happen, secularism, women rights and faggotry acceptance would have help african population and they would have low birth rates just like in western countries.
>>1055745
a minority of people are pissed of
those who are pissed of the most are the ones living in tent towns or slums with no way of making money since what ever education they have is not valid an no one wants to hire them for menial labour simply because of their last name
then theres the people who grumble Muh immigrants while they ferment in their own hate
>>1055764
>such setting invariably turns into a tinderbox of unrest.
the moment economic well being is removed any community will become a tinderbox of unrest wether its homogeneous or not
>>1055605
>and genetic mutations
im on mobile so i dont have any smug anime girl faces but this is statement is fucking retarded
>>1055745
>there's no poverty in Europe
16% of the european population lives in poverty
>>1055384
because exloitation: Afdter the colonial master leaved africa still had far less infrastucture compared to others parts of the world. The new goverments exploited the population in the same/similar manner as their former masters.
The population had almost none acces to education.
less education=less hospitals and scoools wich basicly means:Deseases because of the bad hygeenic conditions.
Also it doesnt matter that your country is rich or ressources when the land itself isnt sutable to grow enough food or feed livestock to feed an extremly fast growing population, because of its climate.
Combine that with badly drawn boarders with give that country the ectra destability it needet: than you have it the ultimate shithole, and you now easily get their rescources and workforce with minimal finacial effort.
>>1055791
its simple evolution my friend
>>1055495
It would make resource extraction much more difficult if you had to dig them out from a mountain that belongs partially to five different "countries", and then drive through 10 other countries before you get to a port where the resources can be shipped to the Western World.
It is very important that the most valuable resources are firmly inside the borders of one country.
>>1055783
>the moment economic well being is removed any community will become a tinderbox of unrest wether its homogeneous or not
Not true. Multiculturalism does not work, see every country on earth has some assimilation/borderline assimilation integration programs.
>>1055766
>Africans will be 3 BILLION by the end of the century
Yes, because it is soooooo feasible to predict population shifts for the next 84 years. :^)
Have a population pyramid for Namibia, one of the few African countries which stopped chimping out and began working instead. You can see the trace of massive populace growth, but now it has stabilized due to country emerging from the state of economical hellhole.
Meanwhile your prediction is built upon assumption that Africans will never stop chimping out.
>>1055816
>Meanwhile your prediction is built upon assumption that Africans will never stop chimping out.
Yes. And?
>>1055766
You know that stereotypical scientist in the movies that's given shitloads of time way over the deadline, continually fails, and when shit hits the fan they always say "I could fix this! If only we had more time!" even though it's obvious that they can't? That's you. African colonization was broke before the Berlin Conference even took place.
>>1055783
>>1055815
>a minority is pissed off
Holy hell lad.
SD is rising to become Sweden's biggest party, PS is the second largest party in the Finnish Gov, UKIP would have been one of the largest parties if not for FPP, Le Pen is extremely popular.
Anti-multiculti parties are rising (and in many places in power) all over Europe.
>>1055783
>those who are pissed of the most are the ones living in tent towns or slums with no way of making money since what ever education they have is not valid an no one wants to hire them for menial labour simply because of their last name
wat
>>1055451
>its a "Europeans draw straight lines on maps and wonder why there is conflict" episode
>>1055831
You're thinking of Marxists
>>1055840
>why do these bulgars keep fighting wars wtf
>>1055831
Internet would've make all the colonies stable.
>>1055816
>Meanwhile your prediction is built upon assumption that Africans will never stop chimping out.
Exactly.
>>1055667
>yes that's exactly what I'm saying
This is b8.
No longer responding
>>1055803
What about Ashkenazi Jews? Their genetic makeup translates into higher cancer rates due to limited gene pool, yet they are still amongst the most intelligent and prolific groups among humankind.
>>1055696
>Everyone is happy when shits going good
Wow, whooda thunk.
The real show of problems comes during hardship.
>>1055451
Borders wouldn't change shit.
Look at yours - you have several ethnic groups with no real resources, not even access to watersources other than rain.
How the hell do you think those "purely ethnic" countries would work?
>>1055861
>Meanwhile in the Middle East and Latin America...
Right, the US is stable.
>>1055472
Holy shit the part at 9:50
The dude say "fiston" (familiar for son in French) when people ask his name
Wtf is wrong with these people
>>1055832
and if you ask the people vote for these parties if they are doing it simply because they are mad people with diffrent cultures living in their country they will say no you fucking retard im doing it because i agree with their immigration policy
>Anti-multiculti parties are rising
there is no such thing, if you would have said anti immagration i would have agreed with you
>>1055860
so that poses the real question are the cultural problems simply biproducts of socio economic strife, or are they always there bubbling under the surface
>>1055877
Is the translator fucking with them both then, making it so the asian calls the driver "son" all the time?
That translator keeps fucking around throughout the movie actually, must feel great to be one of very few intelligent and witty guys around, like being the dedicated driver in a drinking company. You can always get others to entertain you by doing stupid shit.
>>1055472
>Comments are disabled for this video.
This is a recent development, they weren't when I first saw it.
Thanks, /pol/!
>>1055896
>Thanks, SWJs who can't debate for shit and always go full 1984 when they can
ftfy
>>1055451
that map is so stupid.
>>1055885
Under the surface
>>1055803
mutations =/= genetic diversity due to mixing
>>1055900
Everything about this continent is
>>1055899
How do you debate a wave of
>WE WUZ KANGZ N SHIED
>YO HOL UP
>Fucking niggers. These niggers should've supported the niggering road the belgians left them, fucking niggers. Instead they nignog around like niggering niggers and nigger the road away niggers.
>SJWs on suicide watch.
>This is why we need a race war in the USA #makeamericagreatagain
>WE WUZ
>>1055900
One could say Europe is far more stupid
>Already a small area
>Cunts can''t unite for shit.
>>1055911
. . . By not being sour about it, perhaps?
>>1055917
Now compare european achievments to african ones
>>1055878
>when americans talk about European politics
Why do you think they agree with their immigration policy? Because they can perceive the problems migrants cause, and these problems derive from cultural differences.
Work ethics, respect of individuals (mainly women), respect of the law and the government, religion and so on and so on. They won't say "I don't what them here because of cultural difference" but they will say "I don't want them here, because they don't work" - and their lack of working stems directly from cultural issues.
>>1055691
>he owned you for centuries
Most of Africa was under European rule for less than 80 years.
>>1055923
>just don't be sour about a horde of morons taking an alphabet shit on your video
Don't be sour your comments were deleted ; ^ )
>>1055917
We were merging fine until romania send the gypsies and then Merkel went full retard.
We were becoming the USOE without major problems until 2008.
>>1055924
Population of Africa
>1.111 billion
Population of Europe
>742.5 million
Area of Africa:
>30.22 million km2
Area of Europe:
>10.18 million km2
And Africa has more of X, where X is an important resource.
Seems like Africa wins.
>>1055948
>3x the size
>not even double the population
>more resources
>too retarded to ever extract them
Yeah, they won alright.
>>1055924
Not the issue here. Just calling your opinions based on the cartography of Africa's ethnicities out.
>HURR WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DIVISIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE SECOND LARGEST CONTINENT IN THE PLANET.
>>1055954
Africa is better in any way other than being rich, and the implications of it.
>>1055956
>Not the issue here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvfhmhITkYY
>>1055964
eric simply eric
>>1055962
>Africa is better in any way other than being rich, and the implications of it.
>can't feed itself
>severe lack of potable water
>indigeneous disease rampant even in the age of modern medicine
>constant in fighting
>lack of arable land
>lack of everything except people, disease, and unextractable resources
>better in any way
Africa isn't better in any way.
>>1055969
>all implications of poverty
>>1055962
Care to elaborate?
>>1055933
>youtube forces the uploader at gunpoint to read the comments
cool
>>1055972
I mean that if you take away the implications of relative poverty, and only look at the physical facts, Africa is a better place than Europe.
Its simply better material, and has more potential.
>>1055974
>youtube forced retards at gunpoint to leave shitposts on videos they see
Coolio nigga.
>>1055964
I'm actually not White. Not African either.
I bet for you, Asia is a stupid map as well because it has so many divisions of people.
>>1055969
>Africa isn't better in any way.
It was, but then evil scientist Yakub created white race which snuffed out the glorious civilization of that vast continent.
>>1055605
>hybrid vigor meme
>>1055971
>lack of arable land is an implication of poverty
Sociology major raus. If you're going to shill for Africa at least give us reasons why it's better. You won't because you don't have any, but you're going to call me a racist for objectively calling out the African continent for being shit.
>>1055992
It has arable land, Africa was used to feed the Roman Empire.
And there is more down south, that was never developed because POVERTY.
>>1055975
This simply isn't true. Extreme weather conditions which rave Africa since times immemorial made it so that Africans had little reasons to pursue permanent settlements on any wider scale. Mudhuts woven from sticks and earth didn't come from 'Dinduism', but from hostile environment which made other types of building inefficient.
>>1055696
ttps://ose.utsc.utoronto.ca/ose/story.php?id=2135
>Previous research shows people are less likely to feel connected to people outside their own ethnic groups, and we wanted to know why,says Gutsell. What we found is that there is a basic difference in the way people's brains react to those from other ethnic backgrounds. Observing someone of a different race produced significantly less motor-cortex activity than observing a person of one's own race.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0095660
>Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups
http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-world-possible/
>policymakers have attempted to create communities where a diverse group of residents not only live close to one other but also interact freely -in other words, neighborhoods that are both integrated and socially cohesive.
>The more integrated a neighborhood is, the less socially cohesive it becomes, and vice versa.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-25jl.html
https://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
>Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam, author of Bowling Alone, is very nervous about releasing his new research, and understandably so.
>His five-year study shows that immigration and ethnic diversity have a devastating short- and medium-term influence on the social capital, fabric of associations, trust, and neighborliness that create and sustain communities.
Now provide sources for "diversity is our strength", other than your shitty anecdote
>>1056000
Egypt used to feed the Roman Empire.
But now Egypt has a population of 80 million, increasing by 2 million per year, and can barely feed itself, which will probably throw it into civil war eventually.
>>1056000
It sure does, Wewuz.
>>1055978
It is man's nature to deface
>>1056000
>Africa was used to feed the Roman Empire.
Egypt was the token breadbasket of Roman Empire, not Subsaharan Africa. This is WEWUZ grade of retarded.
>>1056009
Your image shows it having better farming land than any of the Americas, or Australia.
>>1056000
Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Africa, but as soon as Mugabe got in power and the farmers were kicked out it went to shit
>>1055608
Neither is posting memes
>>1056005
>Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups
This is visible within Malaysia and Indonesia. Both include plethora of minor cultures, yet each such culture is strongly defined and accentuated while having no bearing on national culture. Only western societies came to conclusion that preservation of multiple cultures requires to drown them out completely and mash their remains into one pulp.
>>1056020
>Your image shows it having better farming land than any of the Americas
Wut. There's more arable land between the United States and Mexico than in the entire African continent. There's more arable land in Australia than any solitary African country.
>>1056032
Malaysia has huge internal problems though, Singapore does not.
And the PAP is basically a fascist party.
>>1056020
It is around the average for South America, numbskull.
>>1056035
>africa has some 40+ land, the americas dont
>africa has some 35-39 land, the americas dont
>africa has some 30-34 land, the america dont
>adding the 15-19 land area about equals that of the americas
South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and Ethiopia can feed Africa.
>>1055451
It's not like each european country is fully homogenous discounting non-European migrants.
Spain has Catalans, Basques, Castillians, Andalusians, Galicians.
Italians are descended from (German) Northern Italians, Greeks, Latins, Albanians, etc.
UK has the English, Welsh, Scots, Northern Irish, Cornish
The difference to me is that European ethnicities in antiquity and the medieval period were able to conquer/trade with each other and coalesce into nations that identify with their state based on shared culture. The "mapmakers" who drew up Africa obviously did so arbitrarily, but there was always going to be some level of arbitrary drawing when considering political concerns and their lack of knowledge on African politics.
>>1055663
>HURR WHY DO WE HAVE TO KNOW DIFFERENT COUNTRIES? MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT MUH STATES.
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME.
I swear to god whenever Americans bring that shit up, I'd just politely tell them they elevated the argument and must now learn UK's Component States, each of Germany's Federal States, or France's provinces.
And then they'd bring up ''Our states are larger than most countries!'" bullshit. Congrats, we must now know by heart China's provinces and the states that make up India.
Yanks, I swear to fucking god.
>>1056023
Just being specific. The discussion was about African countries. Not every African country is Egypt.
>>1056058
No, some have better potential for food output than Egypt.
Morocco, Nigeria, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia.
>>1055420
Some places like Korea had GDP per capita lower than some African countries. Negros are not fit to be rulers,they are meant to be rulled
>>1056048
>South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and Ethiopia can feed Africa.
Do you really believe that?
>>1056021
>as soon as Mugabe got in power and the farmers were kicked out it went to shit
You forgot to add the update where they are now hunting rats to survive because everything else got either stolen or destroyed until there was nothing left to steal or destroy.
>>1056048
>what are percentages
Nigeria, the most arable African country BY FAR has a whopping 300,000 km^2 of arable land. The United States alone has 1,650,000 km^2. Australia has 460,000 km^2. Australia has more arable land than South Africa and Nigeria combined. The United States has more than the next 15 African countries combined. Keep showing your idiocy, sociology idiot.
>South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and Ethiopia can feed Africa.
No, they can't.
>>1056048
Compare the population density in relationship with the arable land as well. Both Americas combined have 50% more land total than Africa, and a smaller population.
>>1055384
Sauce?
>>1056092
Empire of Dust, look it up on youtube.
>>1055605
Nice troll. Homogenous societies are the most prosperous.
>>1055451
>he thinks africa is the only place with different ethnic groups and languages in a country
let's see
belgium - french, german, dutch, walloon
sweden - danish, norwegian, swedish, saami, finnish
etc etc
every country that has ever had a war of conquest has different ethnic groups.
>>1055451
Indonesia and the Philippines had the same problem, but they aren't africa tier
>>1056098
>Ethnic groups
You are confusing ethnicity with nationality. Which is a social construct. Unless you are trying to convince us that Danes and Swedes are different ethnicities.
>>1055793
Relative poverty or absolute?
Because a """"poor"""" in Sweden probably has better livings standards than 90% of the world.
>>1056071
So tired of this argument, it's both offensive to Africans and Koreans. Korea had the advantage of an actual civilization in their past, Africans didn't. To connect the two, especially Korea right after a devastating era of imperialism/warfare, is just asinine.
>>1056104
The Philippines has an civil war down South.
Indonesia has one up west and problems with radical Islam.
>>1055714
>>1055719
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/sequencing-neanderthal-dna
Neanderthals have contributed approximately 1% to 4% to the genomes of non-African modern humans.
Yes, there's differences, mongoloids & especially caucasians has a high % of neanderthal DNA, africans have none.
>>1055962
Africa is more dangerous,with the highest unemployment rates on this planet and lacks infrastructure. Only a retard would say that Africa is better than Europe.
>>1056120
Hasn't arable land increased over time?
>>1056120
>he quickly forgets the QUALITY of the arable land that he himself posted as soon as it doesnt suit his argument
How long will it take before mods finally lock up this racist thread and send /pol/ their wailing way?
>>1056131
All of these are functions of poverty and dont diminish its potential.
>the look on the african's face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
>>1056144
The population is what diminishes it's potential.
>>1056119
>civil war
What civil war? A bunch of terrorists (which aren't even that many nor powerful) chimping out doesn't constitute a civil war
>>1055384
Certain countries taught them how to govern like Britain and Germany. Others like France and Belgium didn't even bother with that. The problem is when the colonial powers left so rapidly and suddenly. They had no idea how to govern themselves due to a primarily tribal mode of thinking. Only a few in their society educated in the West knew proper governance. When the majority of the people can't govern themselves, it's a bad idea to let them pick a leader. It's usually not going to be the guys you trained.
>>1056114
Yes, they are
An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on common language, ancestral, social, cultural, or national experiences.[1][2] Unlike most other social groups, ethnicity is primarily an inherited status. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language and/or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, and physical appearance.
>>1056120
There is enough potential agricultural land in africa to feed africans.
>>1056142
>gets BTFO in several arguments
>has to resort to removing dissenting viewpoitns to save face (and ass)
I've got the perfect site for you my friend
>>1056149
High population IS potential. Its why India and China are on the rise.
>>1056116
And Korea was splitted in two,bullied by Japan for decades and sufferrd a terrible war,while places like South Africa or Rhodesia were prosper. Negros are meant to be slaves.
>>1056136
Over time? Yes. Over the last century? No. Industrialization, urbanization and desertification ruined a lot of previously arable land over the last century.
>>1056139
Ah yeah about that, there's still more cultivated land in North America than in Africa.
>>1056158
There isn't even enough agricultural land in Asia to feed the Asians. Africa has the worst arable hectares to population ratios of any continent. The day that Africa can feed itself is the day it purges a shit load of its population.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.ARBL.HA.PC/countries?display=map
>>1056144
What potential? A bunch of Negros killing each other,with low literacy rates,and lack of qualified people? Most of Africa is dommed to be a shithole. Only very few nations ,will """""prosper""""".
>>1056142
appealing to authority won't win the battle of ideas.
>>1056172
Look at what China was a century ago.
Look at what India was a century ago. Fuck that, look at what India is today. And yet a rich and powerful state.
Large population and large area are a big potential. South Africa and Nigeria particularly will become very relevant. Egypt may as well, depending on how the power shifts in the Middle East.
>>1056186
China and India were once powerful civilizations, maybe the apex ones at their times, so it's not that surprising that they'd reclaim that crown once again.
But Subsaharan Africa has nearly always been shit, with rare exceptions
>>1056186
South Africa? Mandela killed all its potential. Nigeria is a big if,and as they are negros they will probably end up killing each other in a none sensical civil war.
>>1055685
Africa has more genetic diversity within its boundaries than Asia does.
>>1056200
what exceptions? there hasn't been a single non-semitic nation on the continent of africa that's been successful or relevant in the global scale, there's been regional powers, but nothing more relevant than that
>>1056210
Which proves it isnt a positive thing
>>1056218
What did he mean by this?
>>1056217
Semites have to be a very diverse group, for them to account for Hittites, Assyrians, Babylon, Israel, Egypt, Morocco, Axum and Ethiopia at the same time.
Basically a catch all for any sort of civilization in the rough area, how convenient for stormfags.
>>1055410
The guy is fluent in three languages, maybe one more. He needs to get the fuck out of there.
>>1056230
>english, french, mandarin and whatever the locals speak
Good resume, could get work anywhere.
>>1056217
Tanganyika was extremely important to the Indian Ocean World trade which was extremely important to global trade well before it was colonized by Omani arabs so.... there you go.
>>1056218
How am I surrendering? Africa is a mess. Negroes all around the world remain poor. And all of Africa is a big mess. I will be surprised if the combined GDP of Africa is close to the one of Germany by 2030
>>1056234
The combined GDP of Africa is the same as that of France, and is catching up to that of Germany.
>>1055384
Foreign powers can ride in and impose whatever top-down political system they like, but at heart, the average African views politics as a tribal affair. You become an influential member of your tribe by making the right gifts to other influential people, typically land, to buy their support. This puts a stranglehold on African development; most of the population is rural, land is everything to rural communities, and the only way to hold land is to play the tribal game. This can be seen clearly in countries like Zimbabwe, where Mugabe takes land from opponents and gifts it to supporters to keep himself in power. Because land is distributed according to political rather than economic considerations, productivity nosedives and the economy crashes. Entire farms have been taken away from competent farmers and given to people who can't farm (and have no interest in learning) but who come from influential families and will support Mugabe in return for this prestige. Which is why he retains an iron grip on power even as half his country starves.
>>1056233
>Tanganyika
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanganyika
wow, look at this importance, truly a global power
>>1056241
>is catching up to that of Germany
That doesn't refute anything he said.
>>1056244
>before it was colonized by Omani arabs
>uses the wikipedia article for 1960
Bravo. You should read a book on Indian Ocean trade or even an academic journal article. Zanzibar and Lindi were extremely important to global trade well before Europeans figured out how to sail around the fucking cape.
