When did "Indians" became "poo in the loo" tier?
Weren't they a glorious civilization?
Are modern indian people descendants of the old civilizations?
>>1024383
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cochin_%281504%29
All downhill from here
went downhill when the natives ruled themselves
They were always POOINLOO shitskin fucking niggers.
Culture: None.
Literature: None.
War Victories: None.
Redpilled Mindset: None.
>>1024904
>>1024916
This post:
Redpilled Mindset: None.
It allwent downhill with the Britts.
>>1024383
The Mughal Empire was pretty much the high point for the country and anything before that it turns into WE WUZ tier
>>1024929
>the country
>>1024383
India has been civilised for a very long time, but many groups were "uncivilised" nomads seminomads, tribals etc, constasted with the civilised Islamic elite/hindu cityfolk but it's not only city countryside there were "civilised" farmers too. After Aurangzeb, the mughal empire collapsed, Delhi was looted multiple times (Nader shah removed all taxes in Persia for three years after looting northern India/sacking Delhi), local leaders declaring themselves raja etc. Then the Brits come in. If you are interested in early Indian civilisation look up the Indus valley civilisation, pataliputra or gandhara. In a way I see the fall of the mughal empire as a bit like the fall of the Roman empire (different causes and outcomes but the collapse of proper central authority).
The only real problem with
India is massive levels of government corruption at every level. Indians outside of India function just fine, regardless of memes.
>>1024904
>india
>not the most redpilled civilization in existence
i shig veda inny loo
>>1024947
Also it faces the same problems the EU/Yugoslavia/>H>R>E/Iraq&Syria/Pan Slavism face in that its has has too many different Cultures, its a miracle it has managed to not balkanize
>>1024383
British occupation totally fucked the economy and political structure of India up, especially in the North, which is notoriously the shittiest (literally) part of the country.
Southern India is actually fairly prosperous because it's leaders were allowed some autonomy. Hyderabad in particular was an example of a state that did well both pre and post British occupation.
>>1024383
To the first question: they were always poo in loo tier.
The Indian caste system is responsible for that, and it's so deeply embedded in their society it's a wonder they didn't straight up go into Civil war after the Brits left.
As to the second question, yes, yes they are.
>>1025062
Didn't Hyderabad try to pull a Rhodesia when India was getting independence?
The problem with India is its caste system. That shit ruins any semblance of social mobility. Hinduism should've died out in the 13th century. I don't care for an Islamic India either.
What should've happened was Sikhism to supplant Hinduism. That would've created a national and religious creed to unite the masses. Sikhism is all about brotherhood and it was forged in response to fanatical Muslim attacks in Northwest India.
I also think the entire subcontinent should've blended everything from the Turkic invaders, Afghan settlers, Persianate culture, and its own indigenous civilization instead of this hodgepodge we got from the Delhi Sultans to the Mughals.
Hell even the Marathas thwarting British control and incorporating elements of Pathan as well as European military tech and tactics would've made India far better.
>>1025086
Hinduism is pretty cool.
>>1025052
>its has has too many different Cultures,
And what problems does that cause?
>>1025088
I treat it today as something as a relic. Something nice to read about, behold in a museum, and whatnot, but I dislike it as a spiritual path. Sikhism is the improved version of Hinduism in my opinion.
>>1025090
A fuckton.
India is a geographical expression not a national one. It has dozens upon dozens of sub-groups and languages. In reality, they should've fractured into separate states. The only reason why they didn't is because Nehru and the Indian Congress wanted to keep British-constructed India intact, but then Jinnah want his West and East Pakistan and all that jazz.
>>1025075
Pretty much, the Nizam wanted to remain independent instead of integrate at first, which would have been a huge problem considering a "United" India would have a huge, landlocked city state in the center of their country.
Eventually it was integrated 10 years later as an "autonomous territory" before it was completely reorganized in 1956.
At the time, it was by far the most industrialized and successful state in post-British India, there was even considerations about making it the second capital along with Delhi because of how efficiently it was run in comparison.
They made notable advances in astronomy, math, and they even had something approaching facial surgery centuries ago (creating a fake nose from a forehead flap folded down) but they never had a way of taking knowledge and applying it practically. IIRC, Nandas book prophets facing backwards discusses how backwards the entire subcontinent is in terms of science and tech. Pervez Hoodboy probably also has some stuff online.
>>1025096
desu they're very different. Chiefly because Sikhism is decivesly monotheistic, let alone the fact that Hinduism is already very different among its countless sects.
But it seems perfectly alright, I've never met a Hindu who didn't seem to have their head screwed on.
>>1025101
Don't forget how Portuguese Goa got invaded.
And let's not forget Kashmir. That shit was all Nehru's fault. All the other regions of what would be the Republic of India didn't have his involvement during the path to independence in 1947, but Kashmir is the one where he overruled his advisers and technical experts.
Ideally, Kashmir should've been a neutral state; a Switzerland of the Himalayas, but Pakistan and India were too autistic to compromise or realize it would be better for the long run.
>>1025106
I'm very well aware of Hinduism and its pantheon of deities.
I admire Hinduism from 400 BC to 1200 AD as well as pre-Islamic Indian culture. But Hinduism is part of the root why India is a mess despite their improvements the past 20 years.
And you should look up on Hindu fanatics in India right now and how they're persecuting their Christian communities. The US government should suspend H-1B visas from India until their government puts a stop to that shit.
>>1024383
Pretty ironic how the Indus Valley civilization was the first to use plumbing and one of the first to widely use toilets.
>>1024898
There's some elements of Hindu architecture I truly admire, but I really like Indo-Persian buildings. Ideally, a fusion between indigenous and Islamic styles would be the best of both worlds.
>>1025100
>A fuckton
Such as?
>>1025118
That has more to do with India being third world than it does to Hinduism having anything wrong with it.
I mean in Africa the Christian v Muslim conflicts are nothing short of crusades tier. But elsewhere in the world there's Christian majority countries living perfectly peacefully.
>>1024383
It's surreal how ancient Greek explorers described India as a "paradise on Earth" filled with massive buildings and admirable culture.
Something changed since then, of course.
>>1025128
Too many regional identities conflict with a national consciousness. Look what happened to Yugoslavia after Tito's death.
>>1025136
I would kill to see the Golden Temple of Amritsar.
India suffered from countless invaders that devastated its land and people since the time of Mahmud of Ghazni. They sucked up the wealth, played divide and conquer, and ensured that the majority Hindus were subservient peasants.
>>1025136
How do? It's doing better than most of its neighbors economically. The poverty problem is one that will take generations to fix, but it's fixable.
>>1025138
>Too many regional identities conflict with a national consciousness
Ok... but what problems has that caused?
>>1025145
Fixable?
They've got over 1 billion people confined in that country. The Chinese at least have some space in the western areas, but India is a demographic time bomb.
If a plague killed off 90% of its people, then their population would be at manageable levels and there's more wealth, land, and jobs available for the survivors. It's how the Black Death benefited peasants in the long-run.
>>1025154
>unironically espousing the lump of labor fallacy
>>1025160
At this point, the world needs a new Black Death. Especially in Asia.
>>1025111
>Imperialism is wrong unless it makes my borders look pretty
>We need to cripple our industry with Socialist regulations to protect it from foreign competition. Because a labor force of almost a billion people clearly can't compete with the West.
>Lets arbitrarily reorganize states that had existed for centuries by languages
Was it autism?
>>1025151
Not even the guy but you are being a ass. Peoe have different laws they want be governed by depending on there culture. I can tell you a man living in Delhi will not want the same laws as someone from Georgia or Morocco. This creates conflict because each of these people's wants to run the country there way. Also these peoples tend to be separated geographically which can lead to long nasty civil wars. Not saying a multicultural society don't work since they have before and do now, but to pretend like there is stress on a system that arises from trying to govern different peoples is just stupid.
>>1025195
I'm just asking for examples of problems that have actually occurred. I assumed he could name at least one since he said there were "a fuckton." It was an earnest question because I don't know much about recent Indian history, but I guess he doesn't either and is just /pol/ing it up or something.
>>1024904
Wew lad
Are you well?
>>1025131
Brit here, can confirm. The Indians have done more for this country than the Welsh tbqh
>>1025179
He made decisions based on the scientific method and privately stated how religion was only useful as a tool to control the sheeple.
He's the biggest fedora-tier autistic since Ataturk.
>>1025163
why don't you volunteer yourself anon
>>1025269
Heterogeneous pluralist society are going to require disunity that will otherwise not incur. Homogeneity has advantages and that is one factor as to why China has a bonus, essentially everyone speaks the same language, simple things like that. Even diaspora Indians are particular with their coethnics and will prefer the more similar than dissimilar.
>>1025383
Okay.
Do you have any examples of this being problematic?
>>1025383
>that is one factor as to why China has a bonus, essentially everyone speaks the same language
This has to be b8.
>>1025383
>Being this ignorant about China
