Who won the space race?
>>1024222
Man.
I'm a nationalist in almost every sense except for space.
>>1024222
USA but the prize was a bunch of nothig
>inb4 technology and show-off power
>>1024222
Everybody
>>1024222
Since the space race was just a thinly veiled arms race, and space still hasn't really been militarized, then I guess nobody has won.
USSR
>have a large land mass
>take up a lot of space
>>1024228
faggot
>>1024256
This.
>giving an open casket funeral to charred remains
Is this is a Russian thing?
>astronaut
*cosmonaut
>>1024256
>>1024222
It's far from over yet, but both Russia and the US have won different legs of the race so far.
I guess in the not so distant future China will be in the running as well.
The Soviets achieved pretty much everything of note first, besides landing a man on the moon. And even that was just because they became fixated and wasted half a decade obsessing over the N-1 rockets, despite failure after failure.
Today American astronauts are forced to use Soviet-designed Russian rockets to reach the ISS. I think that shows you who won the race long-term.
Socialists are a corrupt and ineffective system, but their optimism, technophilia and authoritarian disregard for human rights makes them great for pushing forward human development in the right direction. You just wouldn't get such results in today's world, there's no profit in it.
>>1024346
>Today American astronauts are forced to use
>use Russian rockets to cut costs from NASA
>forced
It's more economical to use Russian rockets because Russia fits the vast majority of the bill instead of NASA. It's not about Russian rockets being better, it's about cost management.
>>1024266
terrestrial savage
>>1024346
And the reason WHY the N1 rockets were a failure after failure is only because they didn't bother doing almost any ground tests.
They didn't do ground tests because there were no proper testing facilities.
There were no proper testing facilities because there was no funding for building or manning new facilities.
There was no funding for it because the soviet system was corrupt and inept in every way possible, and the populace was too starved to keep funneling resources into an expensive white elephant. Even IF they somehow made it work, the N1 didn't have a proper liquid hydrogen fueling system and was basically just sticking a bunch of whatever small rockets you do have to try and generate more thrust. It's almost comically stupid, something taken out of Kerbal Space Program.
Once again, capitalism wins. Kill yourself, commie.
America
It is a race after all, and you don't get first place for staying ahead 90% of the time and bungling it at the finish line
>>1024222
Perhaps the nation thats killed the most astronauts should win
>>1024640
le hilarious le redditball XD
>>1024515
>across the echoes of space the salt flows freely
>>1024222
the joos
>>1024222
> Who won the space race?
What _was_ the Space Race?
Because in the orignal sense it was "enter space first" thing. And that ended in 1957 with Sputnik. Man in space would be Gagarin's 1961, though that's debatable (i.e. relevance to the Space Race, not the actual fact). That means Terrori... Communists win.
If it is "land on the Moon" achievement (which was never explicitly stated as the final objective of the Space Race) - than that would be American victory.
Finally, if "Space Race" is some ambiguous dickwaving competition, then it is still going on and any victory is temporary.
>>1024276
They knew he was going to die before they sent him up. Even Gagarin protested and became a bigger drunk because of it.
>>1024256
Well shit
>>1024705
this and things like first artificial object on Mars and Venus are still missing
>>1024222
The americans kept moving the goalpost untill they were the first with something.
>>1024429
Oh so that's why the extremely expensive payload space shuttle was forced to work a decade past its expected retirement?
>>1024515
They did tests.
=^)
Explosive tests
>>1024222
The country going to Mars in 2020.
Everything the USSR did, the US did shortly after, and better, and safer. About the only thing the USSR did that actually dwarfed the US was getting photos of the moon.
The Sputnik was a glorified beeping machine that fell out of orbit far sooner than planned.
Their first manned space flight into low orbit required him to jump out of the space ship with a parachute during re-entry because they had no way to safely land the craft.
Half of their trips to the moon involved crashing into the lunar surface at several times the speed of sound, including most of the ones that were supposed to land intact. To be fair, this is also true of a lot of the US lunar missions.
The end goal of it all was to get to the moon first, it was a giant dick waving contest between nations, and the US had the size and stamina to get to the moon while the Russians absolutely failed to. Fried several hundred scientists and cosmonauts in the process too thanks to lax safety measures.
>>1027068
>The end goal of it all was to get to the moon first
No it wasn't. It just a matter of who can achieve the next big "first" before the other side did. Americans like to pretend it was about reaching the moon because it's the one area where America actually did it first and the one big milestone the Soviets gave up on, but nobody at the time thought landing a man on the moon was the entire point. There's a reason it's called "the space race" and not "the moon race".
>Fried several hundred scientists and cosmonauts
Less than 10 cosmonauts died in the entirety of the Soviet space programme.
>>1027164
>>Fried several hundred scientists and cosmonauts
>Less than 10 cosmonauts died in the entirety of the Soviet space programme.
what did he mean by this
>>1027164
>Less than 10 cosmonauts died in the entirety of the Soviet space programme.
You're fucking joking right. You're baiting me, pulling my leg? I don't need to remind you of all the dead Soviets killed by exploding rockets on the tarmac do I?
>>1024560
By your own reasoning, that means its Russia that won. Getting to the moon doesn't count for much when Russia can still put people in orbit and you can't.
>>1024256
Fuck.
>>1027206
The US is entirely capable of putting astronauts into orbit, what is this meme that America can't make space craft anymore and how many facts do you have to ignore to think it's reality?
You really think just because the US wants to save a few dollars and buy a rocket they can't MAKE a rocket? When they've been to the moon and back and to the moon and back and back again and the Russians have never successfully escaped high orbit with a manned crew and brought them back to earth alive?
>>1027200
NASA had plenty of catastrophic failures on the pad too.
>>1027200
Do you have a source for that? There were only FOUR Soviet spaceflight fatalities, on the Soyuz 1 and 11 missions, plus 4 non-spaceflight fatalities in the Soviet/Russian space program, mostly during training. Whereas the Americans had six fatalities in Challenger, 7 on Columbia (though one was actually Israeli), plus 10 non-spaceflight fatalities in the US space program.
>>1027214
You win a race by actually making it to the finish line, not by merely being able to but choosing not to.
>>1027225
Of course, but I'm not deluded enough to think NASA only killed 10 people.
>>1027226
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe
The Soviets never ever told anyone about their disasters until years after the fact.
This is the biggest one, there's a second one I forget the name of as well that killed dozens more people.
>>1027234
So the Russians lost?
>>1027276
No, the Russians won, because they still can put people into space.
>>1027279
So can the US.
>>1027279
The US can't?
http://www.spacex.com/falcon9
>>1027287
>SpaceX
Almost as big of a scam as Mars One, except unlike Mars One nobody seems to notice how dumb it is.
Shit like SpaceX is unsustainable. There is no profit to be made in spacefaring, at least not for many decades.
>>1027302
Well, first off that's exactly why the US cuts costs by just having the Ruskies build rockets for them, and secondly, that's not the argument anyways. The argument was that the US is incapable of space travel on their own, which I'm sure even the most deluded Russian nationalist thinks is bogus but then I suppose there's one in this thread now proving there are some so deluded.
>>1027313
I don't like this list because it only counts accidents that occurred during active testing, and not all the people killed and all the accidents that occurred before the rocket was launched. Like, it has a link to the Nedelin Disaster there but it doesn't actually count it in the list of non Astronaut fatalities.
>>1027328
>it only counts accidents that occurred during active testing
No it doesn't, retard. Have you even clicked the link?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents#Fatalities_during_spaceflight_training_or_testing
>Nedelin Disaster
Except it had absolutely nothing to do with the space race or cosmonauts or astronauts or any of that shit. The Soviets were testing an ICBM.
>>1027337
>ICBM
>nothing to do with the space race
>>1024256
Burgers BTFO
Read "Childhood's End".
>>1027358
MOSTLY nothing to do with the space race. Happy now?
Or are you going to be that fucking faggot who extends the definition of "space program" all the way back to the wright brothers because that's convenient to the argument he's trying to make?
The point is that the Soviets, as bloody and incompetent as they were, aren't nearly as deadly as depicted in the west, at least not when it comes to their space program. Sure, under insanely tight schedules corners were being cut and safety procedures were being ignored, but that mostly ended after the Soyuz 11 incident. What's certain is that saying shit like "hundreds of cosmonauts and engineered got friend" is just plain wrong and makes you look like a retard, doubly so when the Americans had their own fare share of nasty accidents.
>>1027283
Not with any actual currently existing spacecraft.
>>1027287
Has its ability to put men into orbit even been demonstrated?
>>1027328
>
Well, first off that's exactly why the US cuts costs by just having the Ruskies build rockets for them, and secondly, that's not the argument anyways. The argument was that the US is incapable of space travel on their own, which I'm sure even the most deluded Russian nationalist thinks is bogus but then I suppose there's one in this thread now proving there are some so deluded.
I'm not saying that America lacks the infrastructure and know-how to build manned rockets, but that currently Russia has spacecraft capable of putting men into orbit, and we don't.
>>1027358
The first "goal" wrt the space race was getting an unmanned artificial satellite into orbit. ICBM's don't even get into orbit.
>>1024705
That pic never ceases to piss me off
>First docking (Gemini Program)
>First solar-powered satellite (Vanguard 1)(Also oldest satellite still in space).
>First Partially Reusable Vessel (Space Shuttle Columbia)
>First Mars Landing (Viking 1)
>First Space Telescope (Hubble)
>etc
>somehow these are less significant than the first woman in space
Also that docking between Apollo 18 and Soyuz 19 was pretty cool
>implying the race is over
Musky. Although Bezos will probably pull some shit out of his sleeve to outdo him.
How are the Chinese going? They're putting another Tinagong up soonish, I think. Also India are doing some stuff
They soviets took pictures of Venus something that Nasa still can't do.
>>1026368
>the extremely expensive payload space shuttle
>extremely expensive
>NASA phases out an "extremely expensive" shuttle system and shifts primary burden of cost to Russians without worrying about costs of new development
You answered your own question.
>>1024515
They DID do ground tests, however the explosive results didn't really help.
>>1028348
You have to give credit where credit is due. Good job, Soviets.
>>1024222
The power which still exists.
>>1028348
It looks like someone tuned the sky into barf over a muddy construction site
>>1028626
It's Venus, man. The atmosphere is harsh.
>>1027591
India launched the cheapest mars satellite so far(by a considerable margin), on their first try.
So they are for sure doing some stuff.
