Make me learn about him.
>>1008666
All you need to know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I71VX5RyGA
>>1008666
>make me learn about him
Read a biography about him or I'll kick your ass.
>>1008693
I guess I expressed myself badly. I don't want data, but interpretations of his personality,
>>1008666
He kissed my grandmother.
>>1008666
The greatest Italian to ever live
>>1008666
>>1008805
Jesus Christ, is that Mussolini after they executed him? Is it true that the Italian people took shits and pissed on his body for days after he was executed?
>>1009460
Yes, my countrymen betrayed him like the cowards they are.
>>1010676
*Northerners betrayed him
You mean this, surely.
>>1008805
Holy fuck. The Germans wouldn't have done this to Hitler...
>>1009460
idk, but modern italians fucking hate him and if you bring him up they will whine for minutes on end about how stupid he was.
>>1010698
You are implying that anything is useful in the south
>>1008805
Why his lover?
>>1010950
Because fucking commies killed them. They don't really give two shits about anyone but their own corruption
>>1009460
>Jesus Christ, is that Mussolini after they executed him? Is it true that the Italian people took shits and pissed on his body for days after he was executed?
They were executed with a bunch of other fascists, then their bodies were hung upside down and Italians went all Italian on them, with him obviously receiving the brunt of it.
Read a book about the photographer, he wanted to photograph the bodies and asked if they could be moved into better lighting, but because the skull was so crushed they had to prop him up next to his hoe.
>>1010918
Given the humiliating track record of Italy in ww2 I wouldn't blame them
>>1010918
>be in Italy
>Mussoluni souvenirs everywhere
He even got a fucking tomb.
Mussolini is very controversial figure in Italy. He did many great things like modernizing Italy, while on the other hand getting shrekt in WW2. But would you miss the operturnity to get free clay when it was a given Germany would win?
Some Italians love him, while some hate him.
>>1008666
A man who went from being a failed teacher to an left wing agitator and union man who slept under bridges in Geneva to a leader of his country.
If you want to better understand the Italian experience, picture what would have happened had Hindenburg not died and Hitler been unable to sieze full control.
He talked big but was a totalitarian ruler in the same sense Louis XVI was.
His thuggery was also much more goofey than the Nazis, whilst the SA and SS would beat people up and later murder them the Black Shirts would forcefeed their enemies castor oil to give them bad diarrhea.
>>1012719
Firstly his state was authoritarian not totalitarian.
Secondly, the "goofiness" of Italy is a complete and utter insult to the thousands who were killed by the squadrista in Mussolini's rule. The "goofiness" is an American misinterpretation of how the Italians functioned and seems, in a way and tragically, to absolve the Fascists from a lot of the crimes they committed towards the populace.
>>1012736
>Firstly his state was authoritarian not totalitarian.
Thats the kind of point I was trying to make by comparing him to louis. He made statments like "“Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State" all whilst still being bound by the King and Business interests of the North.
>Secondly, the "goofiness" of Italy is a complete and utter insult to the thousands who were killed by the squadrista in Mussolini's rule. The "goofiness" is an American misinterpretation of how the Italians functioned and seems, in a way and tragically, to absolve the Fascists from a lot of the crimes they committed towards the populace.
Didnt say they were goofy overall just that they were certainly more goofy than the oppression of the Nazis.
>>1012753
>Didnt say they were goofy overall just that they were certainly more goofy than the oppression of the Nazis.
Torture isn't goofy breh. You're just basing your assumptions through an American movie lens of the typical stereotype of silly ol' Mussolini who was rife with incompetence and always making funny hand gestures!
It's much more insidious than it lets on.
>>1008666
Literally the worst kind of leader. A chicken hawk who wasted a ton of Italian lives for zero gain. After Italy's performance in the First World War his pretensions were beyond reckless. It's one thing to waste lives and get exposed in a needless foreign campaign in Africa, it's another to not learn any lessons about your relative strength/readiness, then double down against France, the Soviet Union and Britain.
This video is basically all you need to know to understand Mussolini.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SMWJ9yj9cY&index=4&list=RDhRFMu3zb5dA
>>1012855
>Torture isn't goofy breh. You're just basing your assumptions through an American movie lens of the typical stereotype of silly ol' Mussolini who was rife with incompetence and always making funny hand gestures!
Its like you did not even read my post.
"Italian fascism was *COMPARATIVELY* goofier than German Nazisim"
None of my posts argue that Mussolini was a buffoon or anything like what you are attributing to me
>>1008805
ooof never saw the uncensored version.
*holds gun to your head*
Learn him, NOW!
>>1008805
Mama Mia!
>>1010698
He never controled the south in any meaningful sense throughout his dictatorship tho
>>1008666
Nobody can make you learn about him, only you have will for do it.
>>1016141
I would argue that the Iron Prefect did a decent job in Sicily. I would also argue the South has never been properly controlled.
>>1016157
That's what I'm saying, though. The south remained the same before, during and after his rule (though one can argue it has improved after WWII, though the nature of corruption has changed and huge public funds were spent from the north, some of which has been no doubt siphoned off). In other words, Mussolini never won never really won their hearts.
>>1016264
I think Allies have a pretty big hand in why none of that stuck, given that they cooperated and gave control to mafia men in during and in the immediate aftermath based only on their antifacist sentiments.
>>1016264
Interesting you say that, i get a mixed feeling from the south. Personally, from my own experience, depending on who you talk to, it's a mixed bag. Some people idolised him in the south, but they were really apolitical peasants. Every older person I've talked to from my area gives off this feeling.
Historically speaking, you are 100% correct, especially with reference to the camorra stonghold. But anecdotally, the people themselves seem really indifferent
Interesting fact: If you've ever read Mussolini's Rise and Fall (autobiography) he actually states that if he could do a re-over, he would've just sided with the British or stayed neutral. Probably would've stayed alive until the late 70's like Franco if he did. It's a damn shame what happened to him and is ideology. All thanks to that retarded Austrian autist who decided it would be a great idea to gas 6 gorillion for valid reason.
>>1016322
*no valid reason, sorry
>>1016322
Thats a very easy thing to say in hindsight but when he joined Hitlers triumph in Europe really did seem guaranteed. Paris had fallen, the Brits had been driven of the continent just 7 days go all whislt the M-R pact was still holding up.
All of which in a country that still had revaunchistic desires and hadnt been worn out by a civil war.
He wrote a book on Jan Hus.
>>1016321
Interesting, but I think it tells you about either the nature of the totalitarian state, in that the state having a finger in every aspect of life (even if it wasn't a reality in mussolini's italy) makes them passive and deferent to authority. On the other hand, those people's remarks might, as you say, but indicative of an apolitical peasantry. In France, for example, the peasantry absolutely Napoleon III, but after the Franco Prussian war they didn't suddendly rise up to demand his reinstatement on the throne.
>>1016651
absolutely adored*
>>1015960
kek'd
>>1016322
He had good relations with the French and Brits too before.
what triggered his turn from leftism to a fascist outlook? he was a commie for some time, right?
did sleeping under too many bridges with no sign of proletarian revolution do it, ala >>1012719? what was the major event that changed his preferred ideology?
>>1016676
War.
>>1016676
World War I and the upsurge of nationalism. A lot of socialists changed as a result of this. Orthodox Marxism rejects such concepts and only sees people in the lens of class.
This there are no Italians, French, Germans ect only proletarians was a view that didnt really sit well with many socialists in the working class. Some were just hypocrites and tried to twist theory to justify it and their support for their country and capitalists (yellow socialists) treating their nationalism as a dirty secret others embraced their nationalism and cast of their Marxist theory and formed nationalist+socialist groups.
One of the important things being that these groups didnt place much stock on theories and philosophy hence why its much harder to categorize them and why Mussolini's attempts to create a fascist international failed spectacularly as they couldnt agree on anything.
>>1016671
Yeah, I know Churchill praised his leadership before and I think FDR commended him as well. Not too sure about the French.
>>1016671
>relations with the French
Are you sure about this one? He had a lot of territorial claims on France that he wasnt quiet about
>>1008676
Blackshirt Yuuuko gets me everytime
>>1008666
He was an incompetent clown, Balbo was the only worthwhile Italian fascist
>>1016651
Yeah, it really made me think about politics vs real life. We at /his/ always talk about leaders and what not, but what about the everyday people under them and what they think.
Southern Italy is the best example for me and i have my own views on Mussolini and fascism, as it completely devastated the region. Good example with Napolean III tho
>>1008666
I admire Mussolini for the good things that he did, but all I feel is sadness for the terrible things that he did.
He strikes me as someone who ultimately wanted what was good for his own people but fell into failure readily.
The war on Ethiopia was fucking retarded and a terrible idea.
What happened to his body is depressing.
>>1008666
A guy who had big plans, was moderately successful, and well-liked internationally until some weirdo with a fucking mustache showed up and ruined him like every other thing he touched. It's pretty sad what happened to Italy after Mussolini jumped off the deep end and became a literal cartoon villain.
>>1016676
>implying fascism isn't left wing
>>1018859
>Talking left and right wing
>2016
There's liberalism and authoritarianism, and there's socialism and capitalism.
>>1018878
>There's liberalism and authoritarianism
libertarianism? Liberalism doesn't necessarily equate with less authoritarian by nature.
The greatest Italian ever to live
>>1018891
You're right. Still the point stands.
>>1012589
>he did many great things
mussolini was one of the worst dictator ever, the "he did it also good things" meme is so fucking dumb...
at least Hitler was an artist and kill so many jews, what did mussolini do? Kim is still better than that first school teacher...
>>1008666
Wanted to conquer Greece but Greeks went full OXI on him and made him beg for Hitler to help him against them.
