Does capitalism produce good art? Does the profit motive lead to lowest common denominator nonsense? I think Oscar Wilde thought that man could be the moat aesthetically successful under socialism. Thoughts? Pic unrelated
I've never heard of an artist called Capitalism.
Would you be so kind as to show some of his/her works?
Most true communist are vehemently against intellectual property, so i can't see art thriving under communism.
Good art has been produced under capitalism, and it is arguable that capitalism created those conditions which made the art possible.
Oh and
>inb4 soviet union...
Soviet Union wasn't communist, remember? Communists seem to conveniently forget this fact when art or science comes up
>>1003309
>kate bush
>unrelated to good art
Triggered
>>1003961
Amongst the many failures of the Soviets (economic failure, human rights abuses etc etc) at least they did quite well on the science (and education if I'm right ) fronts.
>>1003975
Kek
I only chose that image because she is a qt
>>1003961
Now that we're alone we can talk prince man to man
though you lie on the stairs and see no more than a dead ant
nothing but black sun with broken rays
I could never think of your hands without smiling
and now that they lie on the stone like fallen nests
they are as defenceless as before The end is exactly this
The hands lie apart The sword lies apart The head apart
and the knight's feet in soft slippers
You will have a soldier's funeral without having been a soldier
the only ritual I am acquainted with a little
There will be no candles no singing only cannon-fuses and bursts
crepe dragged on the pavement helmets boots artillery horses drums
drums I know nothing exquisite
those will be my manoeuvres before I start to rule
one has to take the city by the neck and shake it a bit
Anyhow you had to perish Hamlet you were not for life
you believed in crystal notions not in human clay
always twitching as if asleep you hunted chimeras
wolfishly you crunched the air only to vomit
you knew no human thing you did not know even how to breathe
Now you have peace Hamlet you accomplished what you had to
and you have peace The rest is not silence but belongs to me
you chose the easier part an elegant thrust
but what is heroic death compared with eternal watching
with a cold apple in one's hand on a narrow chair
with a view of the ant-hill and the clock's dial
Adieu prince I have tasks a sewer project
and a decree on prostitutes and beggars
I must also elaborate a better system of prisons
since as you justly said Denmark is a prison
I go to my affairs This night is born
a star named Hamlet We shall never meet
what I shall leave will not be worth a tragedy
It is not for us to greet each other or bid farewell we live on archipelagos
and that water these words what can they do what can they do prince
the profit motive does and to does democracy desu
people don't realise that what they want or like doesn't justify itself, you need to actually back up your views if you want things to be good
anything that appeals to what people want instead of what's good or beautiful is shit
>>1003961
It didn't require great character at all
our refusal disagreement and resistance
we had a shred of necessary courage
but fundamentally it was a matter of taste
Yes taste
in which there are fibers of soul the cartilage of conscience
Who knows if we had been better and more attractively tempted sent
rose-skinned women thin as a wafer
or fantastic creatures from the paintings of Hieronymus Bosch
but what kind of hell was there at this time
a wet pit the murderers' alley the barrack
called a palace of justice
a home-brewed Mephisto in a Lenin jacket
sent Aurora's grandchildren out into the field
boys with potato faces
very ugly girls with red hands
Verily their rhetoric was made of cheap sacking
(Marcus Tullius kept turning in his grave)
chains of tautologies a couple of concepts like flails
the dialectics of slaughterers no distinctions in reasoning
syntax deprived of beauty of the subjunctive
So aesthetics can be helpful in life
one should not neglect the study of beauty
Before we declare our consent we must carefully examine
the shape of the architecture the rhythm of the drums and pipes
official colors the despicable ritual of funerals
Our eyes and ears refused obedience
the princes of our senses proudly chose exile
It did not require great character at all
we had a shred of necessary courage
but fundamentally it was a matter of taste
Yes taste
that commands us to get out to make a wry face draw out a sneer
even if for this the precious capital of the body the head
must fall
Despite all my rage
I am still just a rat in a cage
I don't think economic systems produce art, but if they did, 17th century art is objectively the best one and it was mercantilism / feudalism.
Capitalism produced Michael Bay. It is a system where he can continue to make and influence films.
>>1004471
You know I meant "which economic system allows artists to flourish the most?" Not haha tribal confederacy can't draw without crossing the lines
>>1004652
The number 1 reason for a unfree film making market
Read "The Soul of a Man Under Socialism" by Oscar Wilde
>>1003961
>capitalism created those conditions which made the art possible.
Yeah, because before capitalism, there was no art.
"Capitalists" in the sense of a conservative pro-republican/democratic governmentts have different muses than gommies have, non of them more valid than the other
Even though they have always been degenerate, some gommies have produced pretty art desu i think the bias (You) have is maybe because in USA gommies lacked luster (or there wasnt any gommie at all since all were enemies of the state)
Famous gommies in the arts:
>Diego Rivera & Frida Kahlo
>Li Binghong
>Pablo Picasso (self declared gommie)
>Violeta Parra & Roberto Matta
>Shitload of writers (Ej: Pablo Neruda)
>Lots of Musicians (Ej: all socialistoid niggas who invented murican music, all those soviet music composers, Violeta Parra)
>>1005080
this
I think the logical answer is that any system tolerating a diversity of ideas and allowing peoples different "muses" to thrive is ideal for art, like any other form of individual expression
there's a reason we dont see tons of artists pouring out of Iran
>>1003309
>Does the profit motive lead to lowest common denominator nonsense?
This is only a problem if you only consume (lel) the most basic, pre-entry level shit. There is plenty of good art, music, film etc. and it's literally never been easier to find it. If you're not a patrician in this day and age it's your own fault and you likely never would have been.
It can be argued that capitalism creates wageslaves without the time to work but in most capitlist countries it's fairly doable to be a neetbux artist or to do art in your free time.
