How comes despite having been a superpower, Poland never achieved anything worthy of notice?
>>1001313
Because it was never a superpower.
It was arguably a world leader in constitutionalism.
So are Ukrainians just Polish-Russians?
Let the show begin (unless hotpocket deletes the thread)
>>1001313
Because they a parliament of sorts, with hundreds of members, that had more power than the king, and every member had veto rights.
Literally nothing got done.
They were in a wrong place. Surrounded by superpowers. And there was a lot of Germans and Russians living in Poland-Lithuania.
>>1001313
The Golden Liberty is no way to run a state.
>>1001313
>Pooland
>superpower
>tfw you learn that Latvia under the PLC attempted to colonize Africa and the Americas
>>1001425
They never had a problem with the air-quotes H, air-quotes R, air-quotes E. It was the Prussians and the Hapsburgs acting independently fucked them over.
>>1001313
we're subhumans
>>1001313
Proto USA. It wasn't that bad. The flaws of the political system didn't become evident until much later.
String of bad kings made them prone to foreign influences. Vaasa chasing the Swedish crone ran rhe country into the ground for example.
Poland saved western civilization at Vienna. Eat shit turkroach.
>>1001476
Poland saved Vienna at Vienna.
>>1001437
Courland's hardly Latvia. It's rather a secularized successor/remant of Livonian Order, and the Archbishopric to an extent, in the vein of TO-Prussia. Also, at its establishment there had been plans for other similar duchies in the rest of Livonia - a Supradaugava one is mentioned and the former Duchy of Estonia being an probable candidate as well. As Moscovites had at the time occupied most of the territories in question and the war would continue for few decades yet, the plans and intentions remained in the end just that, sans Kurland.
>>1001352
Ruthenians, not Russians.
>>1001313
>>1001352
>Superpowers! Superpwers everywhere!
Dude, it's like I'm arguing with 10 years olds in Youtibe comments
The only superpowers in history were the USSR and the USA (and arguably the British Empire, but since it was unable to stand against the non-superpower Second Reich alone it definitly wasnt).
The term you're looking for when talking about the Polish-Lithuanian Sharedpoverty or the Swedish >Empire is "great power".
>>1001313
They did... They saved Europe from the Turks and the Mogols... They also were the only country unaffected by the plague
>>1001313
There were two fundamental problems in the structure of the Commonwealth.
The first, was the strict enforcement of serfdom which stifled the growth of major urban centers. While this in turn helped Poland stave off large Plague outbreaks, it also prevented a large middle class made up of burghers from forming, and curbing the power of the nobles, which brings us to the second problem.
The Nobles had too much power in the Commonwealth. Power was not centralized in a time where other monarchs were centralizing power, and were able to fight for their interests more efficiently.
Sejm (Assembly of nobles?) officials were frequently bribed by outside powers. Nobles cared more for their little plot of land and personal wealth than the good of the country as a whole.
Of course, then there was LIBERUM VETO. The power of any one noble (as they were all considered equal) to simple veto any legislation that might have been passed at a particular Sejm session. This was abused by corrupted nobles to stop any meaningful change and keep the Commonwealth weak. The king had very little power, and the nobles feared a popular king at the head of a victorious army, and did everything they could to prevent any centralization.
When reforms eventually did come, Poland was invaded on 3 sides by her neighbors, as they feared the weak state had just become strong again.
>>1001824
And then the swedes genocided them.
>>1001963
>The Nobles had too much power in the Commonwealth. Power was not centralized in a time where other monarchs were centralizing power, and were able to fight for their interests more efficiently.
THIS
A Polish king should've annihilated the nobles and redistributed the land amongst the peasantry while creating a gentry class that would be loyal to him. The 3 Partitions wouldn't have happened if Poland wasn't weakened by internal problems.
>>1001313
>achieving anything
>>Copernicus
>achieving anything
>Chopin
>achieving
>>1002067
>german and french
next time you'll also add certain Czech mathematician and madman and claim that it's your own.
>>1002336
I didn't know being born in the Duchy of Warsaw to Polish parents qualified you for the French citizenship.
>>1001801
I would count the British Empire as a superpower and also count the Persians during their height in like 500BC as a superpower, along with a few others. Then again anon you probably define superpowers as nations with the capability to obliterate the planet.
>>1004977
Literally not
The only entities in the history of the world to be able to absolutely destroy the Earth if they wished to are the US government, (used to be) the Soviet government and God himself
Dependency on nobles for service. The blackdeath did not empower the peasants. They also did not have a literate prestigious language.
I want to say something to the effect that their system of privileges was not as firmly bound for strong government such as Englands Peerage system. That is wholly talking out of my ass though.
>>1001348
>regularly elected Germans to the crown because they thought it was an extra safeguard
>complain when Germany finally absorbs them
>>1001313
>having been a superpower
No? A regional power, for a limited time, but thats that.
Pretty much every country in Europe has been a regional power at some point of its history.
Can someone tell me why this is part of Poland today? Surely this is german land.
>>1001963
so Commonwealth was basically just another HRE?
>>1006412
we have free travel in EU now and any German or Pole can settle and live there, if he so desires
What does it matter to whome the clay belongs now?
>>1006495
No, since the HRE was actually powerful and relevant.
>>1006501
Taxation, social services, education standards, business restrictions, so on.
There are many reasons to live in Germany rather than Poland.
>>1006502
In the early middle ages, maybe, when other countries were just as divided as HRE
After 30 years war, they went to shit
>>1006508
Those things are gonna be equalized over time.
Its nothing worth waging a war
>>1006412
Because of Russia and the fall of the Westphalian model.
>>1001313
>Poland
>Superpower
Yeah, no. Never. Regional power, yes.
All that territory is just slavic wasteland not worth a damn.
>>1006541
Is it why everyone wanted that land so much? Go eat a bag of dicks
At least it gave us him (mainly in Paris).
>>1006719
>everyone wanted that land so much
what
>>1006827
Ever heard about such thing as history? Go read it and come back later
>>1006924
Nobody wanted that land in particular. If you find $5 on the ground you pick it up, even though you would've preferred $20. It doesn't imply any love for the $5 in particular.
Its land, and its cheap and easy, and it allows you to contest that other, better land. Its a stepping stone, that people step on repeatedly through history.
>>1006936
Stormfags please go
Please prove how easy was for multiple countries to wage large scale wars(and lose them) for land that nobody wants
>>1006972
You are the person coming up with a claim, that everyone wants the land.
I dismiss it without proof, since you claimed it without proof.
If anything, I provide more, since you can see how everyone who gained control of it did so to push their claim further either east, or west.
It is a stepping stone for their strategy to get the important land.
>>1001343
You're a really bright one, right?
[spoiler]yes[/spoiler]
>>1001313
Poland is a punch bag
>>1007007
I don't really agree with the other posters prose but you are aware that the PLC lands pre industrial evolution were quite valuable due to extremely fertile soil? It produced about 20% Europes grain at a time and grain was the most important tradegood (well maybe outside of salt).
![AnthropicLands-Europe[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/UTfeLx9.gif "AnthropicLands-Europe[1].gif")
>>1007133
If you want fertile soil for farming, you can go to Ukraine or on the Balkans.
You want Poland so you can attack Russia (if you are Germant) or to attack Germany (if you are Russia). It is step 1 in a 2 step plan.
>>1005007
Don't know if you're serious, but the US never had the capability to destroy the Planet, or even kill every human.
>>1007142
Ukraine was part of plc back then
>>1001313
Roughly speaking Poland had parliament in the age of kingdoms and empires, was tolerant in the age of religious wars and dared to cultivate its own specific Slavic culture. For these crimes against humanity it was erased by three Serious Respectable Powers TM, which said it was good, just and wise to do so. Yet nowadays Western culture is all about parliaments, tolerance and respect paid to other cultures. We are being told it is progressive; maybe it is, or maybe it's not. But this would mean Poles were the most advanced civilization of 16th-17th century Europe, erased from the map by Westerners driven by savagery and primal greed. And this is barely acceptable for whiteys, who apparently want to feel warm and comfy with their myth of being the most advanced civilization of this planet, always and ever. This is why Poles must bow their necks and knees and learn their place in the great picture of the History of White Man, the place which was designated for them without asking them for their opinion.
Ukrainian lands were very rich in that time, lots of resources and good farming ground.
Polish part was rich, full of treasure, polish cities were much richer than Eastern HRE ones.
Poland-Lithuania contributed to European culture a lot. Poland influenced French with forks, toilet system, proper hygiene and many other things. They did a lot of discoveries that are underrated, because of eternal hatred.
Poland-Lithuania defended themselves more than oce against bigger odds.
Always against bigger number of enemies.
Polish hussars were unstoppable. - Poles repelled Ottoman invasion more than once. Poles also conquered Moscow and took it "alive", unlike others.
But of course, Poland is shit.
This thread once again proves that anti-Polonism is a real thing.
>>1007716
But then again there are Prussiaboos, germanboos and more fucking filth.
If you look at battles Poland's been in and how they went, you will shut your whore mouth about us not being able to win or do anything.
The only thing wrong that we did is what we allowed Prussianshits(that we created) to live, same with Muscovy that we could have destroyed countless times, but YET AGAIN, pope didn't want to.
Fuck you revisionists.
>>1001313
>Poland never achieved anything worthy of notice?
>The Bulletproof Vest
>The Mine Detector
>The Walkie-Talkie
>Space travel
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky (1857–1935), recognized by spaceflight historians as the father of theoretical astronautics, was half Polish. His father, Edward Tsiolkovsky (Ciołkowski) was a Pole who had been deported to Russia for his political activities. His mother was Russian. Konstantin Tsiolkovsky isn’t well known in the way that, say, Wernher Von Braun or Neil Armstrong are, but he is something of a god to serious space nerds. Tsiolkovsky was the guy who first came up with a serious theory about how people could travel through the near vacuum of space. He did this while living in a log cabin a hundred miles outside of Moscow at a time when most people gaped open-mouthed at horseless carriages. His 1903 paper “The Exploration of Cosmic Space by Means of Reaction Devices” provided the theoretical foundations for the use of rockets in space.
>The Oil Industry - Jan Józef Ignacy Łukasiewicz
>Talking pictures - Joseph Tykociński-Tykociner
>Vitamins - Kazimierz Funk
>Lunar Roving Vehicle
>Sound in Film / Radar
We never invented anything, we never did anything.
Stop making threads about us and fuck off.
>>1007729
I agree with this statement.. But the pic means nothing... Austria during the Napoleonic wars was a shithole
>>1007748
>Space travel
WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO FCKN DELUSIONAL
>>1007748
>Poland
>Space Travel
Am I being memed?
>>1001313
Because history is written by the victors... Poland was not a victor
>>1007807
>>1007816
>>1007829
Is this /his/ or /int/?
>>1007863
>>1007863
So I will respond to you like to retards.
>>1007869
>>1007869
The Netherlands were the poorest state in Western Europe along with Portugal until WW2, what claiming that being better than shit is an accomplishment?
>>1007869
Did you ever read your own table?
>>1007863
>>1007869
>>1007878
Germans before WW2 made a special book about the most important people from Poland, doctors, engineers, painters etc etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Prosecution_Book-Poland
Then during September Campgain they targeted inteligentsia according to that. Soviets did it from the other side.
Not only our most important people got killed en masse, but our cities were bombed to the ground, our youths killed, hunted like common bandits and AFTER ALL OF IT, we got fucking sold to the most brutal regime of this world, Communism. see >>1007863
Killing of elites, sending youths to gulag started again. Germany got pumped full of dollars by America, we didn't get shit, we didn't get capitalism and fucking marshall plan.
And you fucking dare to insult us. What was French "resistance" compared to Polish resistance, AK and underground state? Fucking nothing.
Polish women died fighting for Poland's freedom, often raped, decapitated or blown up with grenades, while French whores fucking Nazi soldiers behind their husband's back.
Fuck you, fuck all of you. You have no right to insult us. We never wanted to be top relevant muh uber state. We just wanted to be left alone. But we couldn't, because of other people's actions. We fought for our freedom for 10 centuries and survived, despite various attemps to germanise and russify Poland, we're still fucking Polish.
Most of you that talk shit about my nation, didn't pick any fucking history book at all. You hate us because you found a boy to beat.
>>1007869
>France, Italy and Japan.
Wow.
>>1007905
>Look at all this revisionist crap my historians made up in order to justify the postwar land grab
>>1007905
>despite various attemps to germanise and russify Poland, we're still fucking Polish
You say that like it's a good thing.
>>1007961
Justify what?
Getting this land scorched to the ground from the Soviets?
Are you fucking stupid? Yes you are. We got shitty post german cities for our Kresowian ones.
Seriously, get the fuck out.
>>1007905
>You hate us because you found a boy to beat.
Holy shit stop whining, Germany is made fun of here every single day with >H >R >E and "A brief history of Germany" and I don't see they writing victimist walls of text.
>>1007967
We're not getting beheaded, blown up or raped in our own streets.
Something western Europe can't say.
>>1007972
Because that's banter. What you see in this thread is pure insults based on lack of basic knowledge and deep-rooted anti-polonism.
>>1007869
Source?
>>1007975
But you're still Polish. I would rather have my head chopped off.
>>1007968
>commit genocide
>not even a good deal
>why you people hate uns; cannot into understands kurwa
>>1007990
>commit genocide
t. stormfront.org
>>1007989
>But you're still Polish. I would rather have my head chopped off.
And you will. Just wait for it.
>>1007992
Probably not since I'm not western European. Enjoy being third world tier.
>>1007905
>we didn't get capitalism and fucking marshall plan.
Neither did East Germany.
>>1007980
>Because that's banter. What you see in this thread is pure insults based on lack of basic knowledge and deep-rooted anti-polonism.
"Poland is a shithole" is just as banter as "Germans are autists desperate for relevance", they are both equaling insulting.
>>1008010
>Neither did East Germany.
Western one did and Eastern one is still a shithole compared to the western germany.
>>1008000
1683 and 1920 were a mistake
>>1007716
>anti-Polonism
Jesus Christ Poles really are Jews.
>2016
>Falling for the Marshall-plan meme
Friendly reminder that both the Allies and Soviets confiscated patents, machines and human ressources worth hundreds of billions of Dollars
>>1008010
>Neither did East Germany.
they got marshall plan times a fucking thousand after the unification though, many times more than the EU gives to Poland
>>1007968
>Shitty german cities
#Breslau
#Danzig
#Stettin
No sir. You please go fuck yourself
>>1008035
>Gdańsk
>german
City was decorated by a Dutch sculpter on behalf of Polish king.
>>1008035
>#ruins
>#ruins
>#ruins
wew lad
>>1008016
Not my point.
You cried that Poland never got the Marshall plan, but neither did the DDR, and it still became wealthier than any Eastern Bloc country (save the USSR).
>>1008047
>USSR
>wealthy
Oh boy. They were poor as shit compared to us in Czechoslovakia.
>>1008035
Here. :^) retarded answer for retarded posts.
>>1008047
It wasn't as devastated as Poland.
>>1008054
MUH PUSSIA
>>1008054
>It wasn't as devastated as Poland.
It was, the RAF and the USAF leveled most of the German cities and the USSR overran the territory of the DDR with the same aggressiveness they did in Pomerania and Silesia.
At the end of the War the only region in Germany that wasn't devastated and occupied was Bavaria.
>>1008056
those protestant poles and lithuanians actually sided more with Prussian than with their respective ethnostates
>>1008047
>DDR, and it still became wealthier than any Eastern Bloc country
it was the posterboy for commies so the ussr didn't milk it like it's other satellites
>>1008056
>tfw even Poles didn't want to belong to Pooland
>>1008090
Not the buttmad Pole, but by the time of the referendum Poland was being conquered by the commies, so most people voted "No" because they though that would mean joining the Soviet Union.
>>1008054
>implying the heart and soul of those cities weren't its original inhabitants
>>1008102
One way to explain it, but actually the referendum predates the Soviet invasion.
>>1008042
>Warsaw
>Polish
City was decorated by a German architect on behalf of a German king
>>1008219
Yes, obviously.
Same with Toledo, Paris and Rome.
WE WUZ GERMANIC KANGS, WE WUZ EVERYWHERE.
>>1001963
Dude, all those claims were obsolete already among late 19th century historians.
>>1006412
It was in Poland before late 14th century. In fact Silesia was the capital province for over 100 years.
>>1006412
because it belonged to them at first
if anyone had legit claims to Silesia it was either Czech or Poland.
>>1006412
It should be Bohemian.
>>1008420
yeah
>>1008420
Silesians speak dialect of Polish though.
>>1008438
Who cares though?
It's not called a genocide because some borders changed, but due to the fact that almost the entire population was expelled. And replacing them with Poles... of all people, the non-achievers of European civilisation.
>>1008426
>Poland
>controlling entire northern Hungary
Shit that never happened: the map
Silesia is an odd question, they should be their own nation for no nation can come to a consensus neither German,Polish or Czech
>>1008415
Using history back to that time period is flawed, because I can just as easily claim that the Germanic Goths had settled what we see as Poland long before the word Polish was a thing.
>>1008468
>t. coalnigger
>>1008474
Not that guy and not even Polish, but Goths flat out don't exist nowadays so it's not like they could claim anything.
>>1008486
Though the eastern claim could go to anyone the farther you look back, that was my point is that there really isnt a compromise for it
>>1008468
Prior to WWII, there was a referendum. And everyone wanted to stay or become part of Germany.
>>1008476
Itd finally finish with that regions disputes
>>1008489
>he "converted" Warsaw to Germanic ideals
give me sources
>>1008474
>long before the word Polish was a thing.
because they were called Lechites/Lugi/Lykah back then. :^)
>>1008503
I said he didn't
>>1008506
Yes and they settled lands in southern poland
>>1008501
>create a weak as fuck 'nation' state right between three stronger ones who all want to eat it
solved the problem guise ;^)
>>1008514
EUdoesnt allow war last time I checked ;^D
>>1008517
it does allow economic and political dominance though ^^
>>1008512
Poles settled lands in Poland? Interesting.
Lechites is an old name for Poles, actually they were called different names by even germanic chroniclers, which called them eastern germanics.
>>1008509
I'm sorry, I misinterpreted your posts.
In Poland we have proverb about saxon """""rule"""
>During Saxon rule, eat drink and slacken off your belt
That's how incompetent he was.
>>1008522
He also allowed to destroy our economy completely when Prussian king acquired polish money print from Saxon lands.
>>1008522
Saxon duke had hopes to integrate you guys even though his domain was like two big cities
Also I know the Lechites settled the land my point was that both Germans, and Poles have significance to places like Silesia and Pomerania equally and that the farther you go back in history the more people that owned it. As in it is really hard to compromise with it.
>>1001313
Poland was never a superpower. You're either a Pole or you've been playing too much Civilization 5.
>>1008530
It was a good war strat though
>my main man frederick
Just an observation, prussia sympathizers have a larger victim complex than poles.
They can't name one single sound argument to why poles should grant germany back some of "their" land.
>>1008552
I never got why the soviets made the germans leave stettin isnt it like right on the oder neisse line?
>>1008562
You guys had the best borders in the 1920's
>>1006412
Pomerrania to Danzig up to konigsberg is definitely German.
>>1008561
It was actually easy to fix, but Germans got too greedy and Poles too patriotic. muh prussia muh teutonic lands.
>>1008569
How is Gdańsk german? It was a main city of Poland since begining. It was untouched by first partition.
>>1008549
Less Poland, more Germany - what's not to love?!
>>1008575
Like that looks perfect, just offset polish losses in the west with gains in the east
>>1008580
anoter war in which milions of Europeans die along with values. unless you're an edgy retard.
>>1008575
>How is Gdańsk german?
It was inhabited by Germans since always and remained a free city most for the longest time of its existence? It's like calling Florence a German city because it was a subject of the German king and emperor.
>>1008589
>It was inhabited by Germans since always
>Polish claims:
founded by Poland
owned by Poland for 683 years
everything build on behalf of Polish kings
>German claims:
owned for 63 years
teutons killed polish civilians and replaced them with german ones
muh butifel borders
DANZIG REEEEEE
Is that all you can do?
Poland has never been a superpower. At the height of its influence, it was a regional power in the backwater of Europe.
>>1008608
This pretty much. Hussars were kinda cool though. meh.
>>1008608
>in the backwater of Europe.
Nope, the Baltic region was pretty much the economic hub of 15-16th century Europe.
>>1008589
Like I'm not Polish but the whole danzig thing really isn't winnable the Poles have had control over it for a long time and when I say its hard to compromise with say Pomerania or Silesia, with Danzig or Gdansk it is impossible to even try.
>>1008603
>owned for 63 years
ok wtf
1309-1466
1793-1918
is already way more than 63
t. Pole
>>1008626
This is why it was a free city cause no one could agree, and that persists even today
>>1008626
>Teutonic Order
>German state
Okay, you fucking dumfuck.
>>1008608
>backwater of Europe
You mean the Baltic coast full of Hanseatic cities was a backwater? Shit nigga u dum.
t. not even a Pole
>>1008603
You may read a book, leave alone the Wikipedia article first.
Hint: You're wrong! It was founded by German merchants and was independet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gdańsk#Pomeranian_Poland
>>1008632
It is probably one of the most complicated cities in the world when it comes to "claims"
>>1008631
lmao how was it not? all the settlers were german, all the rulers were german, the administrative language was german
>>1008626
You assume that Teutons = Prussia = Germany. Which is wrong. During the Teutonic times, Germans were mostly a tiny elite at the top of the social ladder and Prussia was a German-Polish cultural hybrid until they went into nationalistic madness somewhere along the 19th century.
>>1008644
get away from my mom :(
German-Polish Commonwealth when? to put this all behind us
>>1008645
>German-Polish Commonwealth when? to put this all behind us
Maybe if you didn't kill our elites, kidnap our children, bomb cities to the ground, desecrate bodies, kill captives we would have better relations.
I don't give a shit about any of that bullshit. I just don't like fucking lies that this thread is full of.
>>1008639
However, since Germans formed a majority in the city, with Poles being a minority,[37] the city was not placed under Polish sovereignty. Instead, in accordance with the terms of the Versailles Treaty, it became the Free City of Danzig
Taking the city was an injustice, just as expelling the population. As a solution, one could declare the city a German exclave.
>>1008653
Did we take it though?
Stalin gave it to us, now bugger off, jerk off to grossgermania pictures.
Poland is one of the last good euro countries
>>1008644
>Everything was build by Germans
I never said that. The royal castle in Krakow? Built by Italians. Only St. Mary's was built by Germans. I suppose Pooles were just to busy for accomplishing anything anything by making up fairy tales about the dreamtime, when Danzig was actually Polish.
>>1008662
>I never said that. The royal castle in Krakow? Built by Italians. Only St. Mary's was built by Germans. I suppose Pooles were just to busy for accomplishing anything anything by making up fairy tales about the dreamtime, when Danzig was actually Polish.
You're too stupid to understand that foreign sculpters and architects were often used to build cities in different countries.
Gdańsk was build by a Dutch one to resemble western cities more.
>tales about the dreamtime, when Danzig was actually Polish.
Hahaaha, where the fuck is it now, huh?
>>1006522
The HRE only came into existence at the very end of the Early Middle Ages. The 30 years war was after the Middle Ages.
>>1008656
Why jerk, when the next Polish prostitute around the corner will wank me for half a potato in return!
>>1008673
Running out of arguments?
>>1008670
>You're too stupid to understand that foreign sculpters and architects were often used to build cities in different countries.
>Gdańsk was build by a Dutch one to resemble western cities more.
Wait, do you actually believe that the architectural heritage of the historical Danzig was designed by a single architect?
Also, muh danzig matter again.
>MUH GERMAN MINORITY :DDDDDD
>DA CITY MUST BE GERMAN
You fucks can't understand that nationalism came later?
As far as it goes, they were Poles because under Polish rule and law that they actually wanted to be under as Prussian Confederation stated and later Danzig law.
> "us Prussians ... are the Poles equal brothers or their servants"
No one cared fort expulsion of the germans from that city because it was ours anyway. Only after a wave of nationalism it became a problem.
>>1008686
Are you actually too stupid to understand what I wrote?
I will write this again. Gdańsk was done in the image of Werstern cities, mainly by Dutch artists. Get it now?
I thought /his/ is not another poltard circlejerk. I guess I was wrong. You're bunch of uneducated cretins and your board stinks like shit.
>>1006412
>Surely this is german land.
>>1007905
based
>>1008649
What lies?
>>1008679
Why should I bother arguing? Even if virgin Mary herself would have declared Danzig a Polish city and expelled its former inhabitants, it depends on you to right a wrong.
>>1008702
You shouldn't. Because despite overwhelming evidence you will still parrot about it being German.
>>1008056
nice map
>>1008698
Well when Charlemagne got there
>>1008716
>1905
>i posted one from 1800 so before Kulturkampf
Jesus, you're really bunch of imbeciles, aren't you?
I might be a Polish subhuman toilet cleaner, but at least I can read.
>>1008718
He didn't, he stopped at Elbe.
>>1008721
It was the northern crusade right?
>>1008696
Danzig looked exactly like almost every other German Hansa city. All the major buildings were designed by German architects.
pic related is not Danzig, although it's hard to tell.
>>1008716
Definitely a German majority though more reason to be mad at Hitler who started the war that lost Germany its prefect borders and to some extent lost Poland's perfect borders
>>1008698
>>1008729
A large number of Baltic cities were in the Hansa and look like that though at that time Danzig was sizably German but their was a large number of polish
>>1008729
Want more?
Here's Polish Poznań.))))))
>>1008748
>build by Dutch architects
What. The. Hell.
Almost every Polish palace was built by Italian architects, but how does this contribute to the question whether Danzig should be considered a historically Polish or German city?
>>1008780
>Almost every Polish palace was built by Italian architects, but how does this contribute to the question whether Danzig should be considered a historically Polish or German city?
Not at all, because no matter what I say or show you, you will claim it's German.
It's pointless.
>>1008765
Too easy.
>hen in 1253 Przemysł issued a charter to Thomas of Guben (Gubin) for the founding of a town under Magdeburg law, between the castle and the river. Thomas brought a large number of German settlers to aid in the building and settlement of the city – this is an example of the German eastern migration (Ostsiedlung) characteristic of that period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poznań
>>1008795
Except all cities were under Magdeburg law.
But okay, I get your point. We should cede all cities to Germany, delete all our history, stop existing and you will be happy when Syrians settle in German poland, right?
Because as you may know, Poland never existed, Poles are a fictional russian propaganda and Germans were everywhere, building everything, There is no place for fictional people that are poles.
>>1008787
It was historically German city. It doesn't matter actually, but at the time the Poles took it and expelled the local population, this was a violation of international law.
>>1001963
>Nobles cared more for their little plot of land and personal wealth than the good of the country as a whole.
>>1008814
>It was historically German city
despite Poland owning it longer than Germany.
for fucks sake you fucking idiot.
>>1001313
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_%281920%29
Soooooo much this, they practically saved Europe at the time
>>1008811
You (?) were trying to >imply that since the city of Poznan resembled a German Hansa town, the city of Danzig could as well have been as Polish as Poznan was historically.
All I did was simply turn your own argument against you (not that I was claiming Poznan)
I think it'd be a proper solution the establish German as a possible 2nd official language in those areas that experienced expulsion in order to allow Germans to relocate.
>>1008821
Okay this is getting ridiculous, I think the Germanaboos are retards, but you guys always overrate your importance with the crazy savior/victim complex to the point it's nauseating.
USSR was a backwards shithole wrecked by the civil war and they were doomed to fail from the get go. If they managed to conquer Poland by some stroke of luck, there's no fucking way in hell they'd be able to conquer Germany, France or Britain. "Saved Europe" my ass.
>>1008849
>there's no fucking way in hell they'd be able to conquer Germany, France or Britain. "Saved Europe" my ass.
Except communist parties were strong in those countries.
>>1008834
But I already answered that we poles never existed and everything is german.
What else do you want?
>>1008817
But the KINGDOM of Poland istn't identical with the second Polish republic, nor did the Polish king owned the city more than any German king owned the Italian city states. And since we are discussing Danzig on the basis of 20th century self-determination, it's obviously not a matter of historical relations but ethnicity.
>>1008860
start shit get hit
>>1008856
It doesn't matter. Commies got BTFO in the October revolution in Germany even though Germany just got blown to bits by the WW1. France and Britain would pacify the commies fairly quickly.
>>1008858
Alsace-Lorraine
>>1001313
>Kiev
>Part of the Kingdom of Poland
wew lad
>>1009771
gdansk is polish, was always polish and always will be polish
germaniggers absolutely B T F O
>>1008575
It looks like a fish trying to eat Poland.
That being said, Silesia should belong to either Poland or Czech.
>>1009817
Holy shit this border is fucking ugly, they should've created another realm like "Kingdom of Ruthenia" or something.
t. border autist.
>>1010391
gdańsk is german
t. gdańsk citizen
Daily reminder that the German-Polish rivalry is a plot of GB to keep both irrelevant
>>1006412
Cause i said so
>>1011379
You're a przesiedleniec bydlo from Eastern Poland at best, not a real Kashubian.
Your ass belongs to whoever pays more.
>>1011897
except it was Germans that did more damage than clusmy Sovietfucks.
>>1001510
>Duchy of Livonia and Courland isnt Latvia
>>1012536
In what way was it Latvian?
>>1012724
The only german part of it was the duke. Soldiers, farmers, sailors, the people were Latvian. The sailors and settlers who went to Trinidad and Gambia were Latvian.
>>1012147
twf when my family are from gdynia and moved to gdańsk after ww2
>>1012733
I guess thats fair
