Redpill me on "why my privacy is important"
>>55465568
It's only important if you have something to hide, which most of the pedos who care so much about it do.
>>55465591
>It's only important if you have something to hide
t. cuck
>>55465591
Why do you have a door? Do you have something to hide?
>>55465591
Fuck off, bootlicker
>>55465689
t. pedo
>>55465711
Niggers can't walk into my house and murder me via the internet. Nice meme though.
>>55465717
t. pedo
>>55465727
>Please, come into my house and monitor my every move. No it's fine, I insist! I have nothing to hide anyway :^)
>>55465591
Cucked by Uncle Sam, tsk tsk
>>55465788
I don't have anything to hide. The police can search my house if they like. I don't mind.
>>55465901
It's not the police searching your house. It's the police standing behind you 24/7, watching your every movement, every second of every day that you're inside the house.
>>55465945
And? If the police want to watch me play video games and wank to trap porn, they can. I don't give a fuck.
>>55465568
>>55465591
>>55465727
>>55465901
>>55465972
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
You start to feel watched and you subconsciously sensor yourself so the whole internet get ruined
>>55465568
Why do you think it isn't?
>>55466026
Being watched by a LEA doesn't compromise you being "secure" in any way. If anything, it's the exact opposite. Try again.
>>55466098
How do you know you can trust a LEA?
>>55465568
It isn't, unless you're a pedophile.
/r/ing a copypasta/image of why you should care
I think there were four reasons. One of them was that the laws might change. The psecific exmaple he gives is first they install cameras in everyone's bedrooms to discover domestic abuse, then later they gay sex and use it to enforce that etc.
Because you're human.
Presumably.
>>55465568
https://youtu.be/pcSlowAhvUk
>>55466098
If one person or group has access to watching you, others can get it as well.
It's important because you become a cuck for whoever is watching you. If they want they have complete control over you. Information is king.
>>55466179
Thanks anon
>>55466113
Woah, like, so deep, man.
Probably the rigorous system of checks and oversight involved in their job though, if I had to pin it down.
>>55466186
*tips tinfoil fedora*
Let me know when you're done hacking into the FBI's hidden camera feeds, anon. I'll wait.
>>55466189
How does that work if I don't have a gf?
>>55465568
Because google may be benevolent now but when government contracts surveillance to them they're definitely going to pick sides. Also what's your line for privacy? Internet based companies have also been very successful at changing people's mind on where the data gathering limit should be. If this question is blurry to you then you are part of the problem and in the future they're going to get access to your computer directly after another terrorist attack, and then they're going to attack certain groups. As a white cis male you're not going to notice it until they run out of targets.
>>55466211
I'm not one capable of such a task. But you seriously think that other groups, friendly or otherwise, don't have the capabilities?
>>55466211
>Probably the rigorous system of checks and oversight involved in their job though
Yep, just like this guy, who followed proper procedure
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft
Kill yourself, bootlicker
>>55466153
>Glenn Greenwald
To this day I can't fathom why Snowden would choose this retard.
>>55466211
Are you LEA? How do you have any idea what mind of checks and balances they have?
Their Fucking American too. Why do they need to collect data on people living in other countries? Muh terrorism right?
*tips tinfoil back*
Have any idea what's happening in China? Biometric scanners and a credit system based on what you say and do, and who you know and related to. All possible because of surveillance.
>but it will never get that bad here
Unless you're an absolute attention whore, some privacy is equivalent to some comfort.
>>55466211
You do realize "the rigorous system of checks and oversight" is constantly shat upon by law enforcement themselves, right?
>Woah, like, so deep, man.
Nice comeback. Pat yourself on the head and go to bed, you have summer school tomorrow.
![Committee_of_Five,_1776[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/y0QK1Cb.png "Committee_of_Five,_1776[1].png")
>>55465591
>>55465711
>>55465727
>>55465901
>>55465972
>>55466115
>>55466211
>I like to give up rights at the slightest sign of danger becuase I am scared of black people
>I also like to deny that Privacy is a basic human need
Even the founding fathers would call you spineless faggots.
>>55465568
Redpill me on why you are wearing any clothes
>>55465901
Just go live in the jail literal cuckold
>>55466254
I think that I trust the law. There's no point living if you don't. Either kill yourself or move to another country where you can be "safe" away from law and order. A Brazillian slum maybe? No LEAs there to watch your back.
>>55466270
A handful of corrupt cops in a single department whose wrongdoings were immediately exposed and punished. How is this anything but proof that the system works, and that proper oversight is in place?
>>55466294
For any of your ideas to be true, everyone involved in enforcing the law, from the boots on the street up to the highest judges in the land, must be either incompetent or corrupt. And that's a bunch of baloney. There is oversight in what LEAs do every step of the way
>>55466319
(You)
>>55466406
Like I said, I have nothing to hide. That's why I'm not in prison. What do you have to hide, friend?
>>55466456
>Basing your existence on being able to trust the law or not.
Holy shit, anon. You're either baiting or a shill.
>>55466456
Post your facebook ID along with the proof that it's yours
>>55466495
And yet nobody can provide a single reasonable argument as to why I shouldn't, beyond "well maybe this might possibly happen you never know, right?"
>>55466500
I do not have a Facebook account.
>>55465945
This anon is right. It's just uncomfortable.
It's important to democracy.
Prevents hive mind.
>>55466456
>I didn't read a single thing in the link, I just assumed that LEA's were appropriately punished.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-whistleblower-adrian-schoolcraft-settles-suit-600k-article-1.2378974
>He remains suspended without pay.
>The alleged architect of his detention was Stephen Mauriello, his commanding officer at the 81st Precinct who is now a deputy inspector.
>No mention of the other cops being punished
(You)
Felate a gun and pull the trigger.
>>55466525
Post your Google+ or any social media then
>>55466542
The suit was settled. If he wasn't happy with the outcome, he wouldn't have settled. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Not to mention the fact that the hospital staff expressed concern for his mental wellbeing at the time. But I guess they were in on it too, right? LEAs are corrupt. Judges are corrupt. Doctors are corrupt. How deep does the conspiracy go?!
>>55466559
I feel like it was implied that I don't have any form of social media by saying I don't have the most popular one. All of it completely passed me by.
>>55466575
>>55466525
Haha I like the way you are avoiding to post any social media. What are you hiding, pedophile?
>>55466525
>No proof as to why you shouldn't trust LEAs
Because there is substantial proof that LEAs circumvent the law, or bypass it with shady court orders with no public oversight.
You seriously trust other humans to be flawless and faultless in their enforcement? They are just as failable as you, motivated by money, promotions, and other factors to go against the law. Post your primary email and that emails password here. I'll just monitor it. Leave the email and password unchanged for a year, and don't switch your online accounts to another email address. You have nothing to hide right?
>>55466575
>The suit was settled.
>exposing and punishing
>overall thinking Griswold v. Connecticut is bullshit
>>55466592
I'm not avoiding anything. I don't have a social media account to share. Equally, your entire premise is flawed. I already stated that I wouldn't leave my door unlocked so that I could be raped and murdered by a gangbanger, which means I wouldn't hand out personal information to some sociopath on 4chan either. I do have something to hide - from you, not from the proper authorities.
>>55466610
See above.
And yes, individual LEAs can be flawed. But the system they operate in isn't. Their misdeeds are always brought to light and to justice eventually. I won't let a few bad apples ruin my entire outlook on everybody else.
>>55466616
Again, the suit was settled. Both against the police department and the hospital. There's nothing else to say.
>>55466635
>I do have something to hide
Okay now you are just backpedalling
>Proper authorities
What makes NSA a "proper" authority? Are you implying everyone has to live in the US?
>I don't care about privacy
>So I post anonymously on 4chan
>>55466635
Enjoy getting your rights eroded. Even the second amendment won't save you from the government now.
>>55466635
I find it hard to believe that you don't have a google account. Even so, post your browsing/torrenting history of past 6 months
>>55466635
What separates us from "proper authorities"? A badge? Oversight?
I've confirmed you're just baiting here. Enjoy your day
>>55466635
>Again, the suit was settled. Both against the police department and the hospital. There's nothing else to say.
Except for the fact that the Arcitect is still in the police force, and a deputy inspector.
Except for the fact that no punitive action was taken against the police officers involved, and not announced publicly.
Except for the fact that the police department is funded by public money, so the entire department, and by extension, the people who pay taxes and rely on the department are punished, not the police officers.
Be in denial all you want, but you are still a fucking bootlicker. Your reward is gonna be "civil asset forfeiture" on your car for your bootlicking.
And why dont you tell me how civil asset forfiture is anything but evidence of not only police officers being corrupt, but the corruption of the LEA system
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html
>>55466685
>Okay now you are just backpedalling
No, you're simply trying desperately to put words in my mouth and misrepresent my words to try and make them suit your argument.
>What makes NSA a "proper" authority?
That's a dumb question. The fact that they are given their power by the elected government of the land makes them a "proper" authority. Or are you one of those sovereign citizen nutjobs who refuses to recognize even that?
>Are you implying everyone has to live in the US?
No.
>>55466719
*tips tinfoil fedora*
>>55466727
We've covered this.
>>55466734
>Oversight?
Yes.
I've confirmed that you have no logical or reasonable arguments to offer. Enjoy your day.
>>55466751
Then clearly it was felt that their actions weren't serious enough to warrant dismissal. They were a breach of procedure, not a breach of the law.
And I can't read your link, since it's behind an account login.
>>55466635
Why don't you have a social media account? Are you a terrorist? Also, you're not willing to hand out your info to a 4chan sociopath but you're willing to hand out your info to a government sociopath? Do you know who will be watching you? Name? Address? Basically any of the info they know about you?
And why do you trust the system so much? It was designed by humans, and laws change every single day. Would you say that a lobotomy or a shock therapy was a correct way to treat psychological disorders? It was a "system" in 1950s. Japs were in concentration camps during WWII. It was a system. Slavery - it was a system.
>>55466784
>They were a breach of procedure, not a breach of the law.
>I have no understanding of what we are talking about
>And I can't read your link, since it's behind an account login.
>not knowing how to bypass NYTimes paywall.
Confirmed baiting.
>>55466784
>elected government
Wow elected by foreigners and I have to share my private folders to them. "the land" what a joke, try "a foreign land". Do you have any idea how stupid you sound like?
And yes, you really are backpedalling, quite desperately.
>>55466212
The court with appoint you one, and they'll make sure she matches your likes, dislikes,and personality for you based on the information they've collected on you.
>>55466784
Does this mean people who did NOT vote for the current government are irrelevant?
>>55466456
>I have nothing to hide
>>55466635
I do have something to hide
He just thinks differently. Probably exposed to high levels of nepotism in life.
>>55466879
He's just an idiot. Do you fail to see the amount of backpedalling in his posts?
>>55466810
What are you talking about? Slavery is perfectly fine. In fact, it would probably make everything better. How much better would slavery be with surveillance?
>>55466280
don't tell me you didn't enjoy the way he bitchslapped the talking points of the news stations when he was in debates
Privacy is a spook, nerds.
>>55465591
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1827982
>>55466813
Uh huh. I think we're done here then.
>>55466842
No, not irrelevant, but still bound by the law and governed by them, yes. Not voting for the current government doesn't mean that you're not governed by them, whether you like it or not.
>>55466878
I see we've degenerated into wanton shitposting already. I hope this (You) satiates you.
>>55466900
There is no backpeddling, no matter how much you try and will some into existence. My stance is perfectly clear and consistent throughout. You cannot find a logical argument against it, so you're resorting to name-calling and shitposting. I feel nothing but vindicated at this turn of events.
>>55466947
Ran out of arguments?
Too weak
>>55466900
Oh, it's quite plain. But he can't see it because he has a different mindset. I know someone personally who thinks similarly. They are quite... Authoritarian. It's just how they are. The world is so simple - black and white. Good and bad. You don't have anything to fear if your not doing illegal shit after all, so what's the problem?
>>55466980
Come back when you have a proper reply to >>55466820 and >>55466878. Otherwise you can stop trying with that pathetic little attempt of yours
>>55465568
OP privacy is simply a measure of how much control you have over your information. online, you don't need to give advertising trackers unrestricted access to your web browser. they are known to serve malware and web browsers are notorious attack vectors.
>this entire thread
PEDOS BTFO
How will they ever recover
>>55466980
well, you're not worried about government oversight, you're not worried about your privacy, anyone who in fact cares about privacy from the government is now a "pedophile". If you trust the government so much, then tell me, do you support gun rights and why? I mean after all, if only the authorities had guns everything would be better right?
>>55466980
>Uh huh. I think we're done here then.
>Ive ran out of arguments
>>55467116
in fact you could even say anyone who wants to own a gun is just a psychopath school shooter anyway right?
>pose this question legitimately
>freetards just spam "cuck" as their answer
>every single time
It's just a bunch of neckbeards being autistic.
>>55467219
Yeah, just look at all those pedophile-allegation
Sure tumblr is here
>>55465568
Mine isn't but somebody else's privacy is.
You are right OP privacy is overrated.
That's why you should post your name, address, SSN, Bank account numbers, job, tax forms, internet history, porn habits, political affiliations, family members, licences, every location you have visited in the last 6 months along with a link to a network of live cams set up in your residence and vehicle right here right now.
You know, because you might forget about it or trip and fall in your home and we could help.
Unless you have something to hide...
>>55465727
It's only important if you disagree with the ruling party. Your privacy is what keeps a totalitarian government from completely controlling your life.
>>55467313
What's your facebook, famlam?
>>55467328
its "youdontunderstandsarcasmyoufuckingidiot"
Here's the be all end all. Are you ready?
If your privacy doesn't matter, why does the privacy of politicians and wealthy people matter? It's a heinous crime to hack into databases and collect sensitive information even if it's just contact addresses for the staff and/or politicians. If the people in power value their privacy then so should everyone else.
>>55465568
Poeple here only cry >muh privacy when they need to justify using half finished hobby software that (poorly) imitates popular commercial software.
How do I know? The very same people prefer a mobile os developed by an advertising company.
>>55467417
>>55465568
>this is the state of western civilization
Here's a simple explanation of why internet privacy is important.
https://youtu.be/85mu9PLWCuI
Lets be honest 90 percent of people that who that think privacy is important are terrorists or pedophiles that who that have alot to hide
>>55465568
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565
Read this paper written by a legal professional.
murrican hours on /g/ are fucking horrible desu senpai
>>55465591
C U C K
U
C
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>>55466350
the founding fathers were cucks
Rights, probably the most important shit the constitution gives us.
The declaration of independence says that it is self-evident that everyone has certain inalienable rights, such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As Immanuel Kant would say, everyone is given certain freedom, agency and protection because they are rational beings worthy of respect. This amount of freedom and agency that belongs to everyone from when they are born to when they die are their inalienable rights.
The government should respect all people to a certain degree by letting them have the rights to free speech, privacy, trial, attorney, habeas corpus and so on. The ability to defend one's life and rights is the right to keep and bear arms. These are universal and derives from logic and philosophy, while legal rights (such as the right to vote) are dependent of the government. In a sense "rights" aren't real, but neither are laws. This respect of the rational human that the constitution gives Americans makes it different from the rest of the world.
To give up your rights would be to give up your power and make you susceptible to tyranny.
>>55465568
Tell me your full name and adress and provide me with a comprehensive list of websites and physical places you've visited in the last few months.
No?
Why not?
Would you be comfortable with the government having a microphone and camera in every room in your living room?
No?
Then why the fuck do you want them reading your digital communication and knowing your browsing habits?
>>55466179
Upvoted.
Better question is why should I care if a website suggests something based on my previous habits at their website, like google?
If a website like google tracks my searches to help me find things I want to find faster (or things it believes I might like), is this a bad thing? The only situation I might believe so is if I'm trying to find something as a counterpoint in a research paper, or if said website is taking in money to alter its searches (taking money to purposely return searches for a worse product kind of thing).
>>55465568
Privacy is important so that 4chan won't use it to laugh at your dick image.
>>55468367
/thread
privacy is a virtual meme
>>55465689
>>55465711
>>55465717
>>55465846
>>55466979
>>55467558
>>55468152
Nice false equivalence.
>>55470250
How is that a false equivalence?
>>55465689
>>55465846
>>55466189
>>55466406
hello /pol/lit
>>55470175
Let's hear your argument then.
>>55470303
>giving your information to a bunch of algorithms = giving it to a creepy internet stranger that doesn't have anything good to do with it
How is it not?
>>55470303
This >>55470446 plus you aren't providing any service in exchange for it like Google, MS, etc. do
Because you only do nothing wrong if the government thinks you do nothing wrong, and the government is very eager to move goalposts.
>>55470446
>implying google doesnt consist of creepy internet strangers
>>55470473
Lol, ok, i'll look up a site/product you might find interesting if you give me your dox...
>>55471174
Except that's a lie. Google has a reputation and there hasn't been once in history where they fucked up with security of user data. You don't have that reputation. You don't even have an identity.
How about you try an actual counterargument instead of always resorting to bad analogies?
>>55465568
Without privacy there is no freedom of expression. I assume you understand why freedom of expression is important?
>>55471188
>google doesn't partner with nsa
Lol ok m8
>>55471174
Also provide me with unlimited free video hosting, unlimited free photo hosting, 15GB of free hosting for other shit, an unlimited music subscription for $10/month, a free web browser that integrates with all of it and various other things Google offers and I'll consider it.
>>55471300
>implying you got all of this when you first started using google
Also nice moving the goalposts cuck
>>55466179
This guy gets it.
Above everything the surveillance will make people too paranoid to ever step out of their little box, essentially grinding progress to a complete stop. Mankind will be no better off than ants. Ants get stepped on. The idiots ITT might feel differently about intense government surveillance after they've been watched by an old man after showering. Funny how history repeats itself. Most of this board doesn't even realize that technology is just a tool. A tool to make our lives easier and more enjoyable. That tool can also be used against us. A perfect example is Windows 10. Everyone calls the freetards crazy until they realize they're not the only ones using their cameras.
>>55465901
How an earth can you say you have nothing to hide if you have no idea what they are looking for?
>>55466179
>if surveillance existed, homosexuality would be illegal
are you trying to convince me that surveillance is good?
>>55465568
If I mailed you a waterproof wireless IP camera to install in your shower and opened up the feed to anyone on the internet who wanted to connect to it, would you install it?
That's why.
>>55467219
>pose this question legitimately
>u r all a bunch of pederfiles!
Seems legit.
What most of you don't understand is that this is not a black and white thing.
Would it be bad, if anyone could get information on your private matters? Yes, probably, in today's society definitely yes
Could this kind of surveillance work with no data leaking and only authorized people getting to know them? Yes, with a proper security network monitoring those people, it can work
>>55471473
Could you have this kind of surveillance with no data leaking? No, with the mass surveillance today that is impossible.
>>55471479
>>>/pol/
Keep your faggotry off the tech board.
>>55471529
>Keep your faggotry off
That's ironic
>>55471533
>look mom i posted it again!!
>>55471581
Here have some dick to help yourself calm down:
>>>/hm/
>>55465568
Note that only autistic neckbeard cares about privacy.
>>55471636
>Summer
Summer
>>55471528
Exactly, that's the point where the two parties are clashing and should be discussing, but most of the discussing done here is fucking useless and proves most people don't understand their counterpart's view
>>55471642
>look mom i posted it again!!
>>55465591
>First they came for the pedos, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a pedo
>Then they came for the drug dealers, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a drug dealer
>Then they came for the journalists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a journalist
>Then they came for the gun owners, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a gun owner
>Then they came for the cucks, and there was no one left to speak for me.
Only a truly pathetic person would believe they are "a part of this government" by letting them fuck you in the ass, this is cuck mentality in action and I have no idea why it's so prevalent these days.
>>55465568
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
>all the pedo itt
>>55471782
>>55471782
also terrorists.
If you have no future terrorist attacks to hide, then why are you even worried? suspicious as fuck.
>>55471653
Welcome to /g/
>>55471873
retards exist everywhere
>>55465568
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
>>55465711
Why do you have a fridge? Do you have something to store?
>>55465945
That's good - it means I'm safe.
>>55465568
it is not
because of pedoes and terrorists and such
Are you people trolling? Is this the new /g/?
What the fuck.
>>55471389
Every tool is used at first against people as a weapon - then they get bored or find new tools and leave the tool for people to play with.
Look at nuclear bombs - first weapon then energy and lots of applications, including radioactive isotopes.
Internet was bad now is slowly becoming a tool. No one forces you to use social media. Have a ghost account if you must and take the basic steps to protect you.
>>55465568
Because it is your privacy. If it isn't private then you can't use that word anymore.
If fact, if you are advocating for the dissolution of privacy then you need to stop referring to it as that yourself.
>>55465972
>fapping to trap porn
>someone of questionable age appears
>youre under arrest sir
>browsing 4chan
>someone posts cp
>youre under arrest sir
>>55471859
Yeah, all those terrorists that the NSA has stopped. Funny those who give a shit about basic human rights are terrorists and pedophiles.
>>55472303
>someone posts cp
This never happens anymore. Used to happen all the fucking time back in 2008. Surveillance must be working.
>>55472558
It does just not as often because a fuck ton of proxies have been banned. It's not worth the time to freak out some normies with CP.
Smaller chans get spammed with CP every day, senpai. Just look at x2 chan
>>55465568
Not every individual's privacy is important.
But shit is getting really complicated when you have constant and complete surveillance.
ITT
12 years old arguing like 12 years old about stuff they don't know.
>>55472303
>>55472558
Well here's something none of you considered in the current political climate.
>make a bomb joke
>"Sir you're under arrest."
>make a racial joke
>"Sir you're under arrest."
>make any sort of comment that can be misconstrued as "hate speech"
>"Sir you're under arrest."
That's another part of why privacy is important. People need the ability to spout off horrible shit without backing it up, because it's one of the many ways they vent. It's really goddamn important to be able to jokingly or seriously say shit like "Fuck the Chinks!" in the privacy of your own home or group of friends.
>>55465568
Because organisations will use your flaws, weaknesses and differences against you. But it's tthe difference between humanity what makes us able to evolve so well. Really privacy insane people fear that big organisations and governments will be able to take over and control people (even more so) than what is happening now. General people will accept being a slave to the system, and those who are different or stand up are easily "filtered out".
I still believe that everything should be open on the internet, but that would mean that society needs to change and you'd need to think no less of your neighbour who likes to beat it to gay black porn and order MLP dolls. Because societies weakness is the strength of those in power.
>>55465568
That's easy.
If your truly believe your privacy has no value then allow me to install a keylogger on your computer.
If you have nothing to hide then i guess you won't mind me checking out your bank and tax records, monitoring your browsing habbits, emails, chats, facebook account, employment history.
>>55466055
THIS THIS THIS THIS
>>55472910
stay in onion land, the more people that use it the more secure it is.
>>55472910
Funny. The more I feel watched the more I act like a guilty retard.
Never quite understood why I do that though.. Doesn't make things easier at all
Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither
>>55472969
It's the effect of being under surveillance really. It's been researched some after the Snowden leaks; https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160429/07512934314/chilling-effect-mass-surveillance-quantified.shtml
>>55473007
but wouldn't this assume that you'd be have more proper whilst being watched? I literally do the opposite.
>>55473149
Thats the effect. You strive to act inn a natural and proper way, but when you don't you feel like a retard.
>redpill
>>>/pol/
This shouldn't be an issue where you need to be convinced. If you don't understand why privacy is important, then you are either mentally disabled or live such a ludicrously pampered life that you have never had to worry about privacy concerns. My guess is that you're just a troll providing a bait topic wherein other trolls to circlejerk and use basic fallacies to enrage the few on this board who can actually think but who are too autistic to avoid these threads as the cancer they are.
>>55466116
>then later they gay sex
ok
>>55465591
That's like saying freedom of speech isn't important because you have nothing to say.
>>55475980
>saying that line for the 7th time in this thread
evidently, free speech is repetitive and unoriginal too
>>55465568
some fat fuck at your isp deserves to see every url you visit?
>>55465591
only rational answer in this cesspool of a thread. if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear you fat basement-dwelling pieces of shit
>>55465568
Privacy is important because it gives systems integrity concerning financial information but also keeps things from being taken out of context and used against a person. Example, imagine if every prospective employer had access to every inappropriate statement you've ever made as a joke. Privacy is a form of freedom that allows us to speak freely without fear of persecution.
>>55476966
>basic fallacy constitutes a "rational answer"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument
>>55465568
Because when you start protesting the government building extermination camps, they'll just track whichever smartphones were at the place and imprison then once they finished building.
>>55466098
>If anything, it's the exact opposite.
ITT: pedophiles on suicide watch
>>55465568
yours in particular may not be, for all i care.
>>55465591
If this isn't bait, you are the biggest idiot on this board.
If this is bait, this subject is in too much jeopardy to joke about. Please stop.
>I have nothing to hide.
It doesn't matter. It's a prosecutor's job to use every possible detail he can find to spin it in such a way to make you look guilty. A few years ago a guy was charged with insider trading, and they looked through his emails to try to make innocuous email exchanges look like evidence that he knew insider information. Fortunately, he won the trial, and since then he became a privacy advocate.
>"I had my little fun with the SEC, and what happened was, every message I sent, everything that I wrote, they decided to create their own context," he said Wednesday. "If I said, 'The sky was blue,' they said, 'You didn't really mean that. You were just trying to fool us.' When I said, 'I hate to lose,' in reference to Mavericks games, they said, 'So, you hate to lose. You're not willing to take a loss on a share trade.' I mean, it was just ridiculous. And so it made me realize, along with just other experiences, when you hit 'send' on a text, you lose ownership of that. Not only do you lose ownership, you retain responsibility for that text."
>>55465568
>>55465591
The problem with the "you have nothing to hide" saying is that it's part of a thought crime mindset. You're imposing mass surveillance on people because you think someone somewhere might commit a crime. In this country we have a thing called due process and the 4th amendment in order to stop the abuses of power that could stem from that sort of bullshit.
ITT: people sperging out about privacy on a website owned by a known user data salesman
>>55471731
underrated
>>55465568
If you care about your bank details, your reputation and care if just any cunt can find you with ease at any time then yes... Privacy is important.
>>55483235
^anyone willing to counter argument this guy?
no? then fuck off you hypocrites!
why are you still using this site then?!
and i am pretty sure all you fucks are running windows or proprietary linux!
are you?!
>guaranteed no replies with proofs.... BITCHES
Everyone in this thread: Watch this video.
It is quite relevant right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk
>>55484470
Answer this survey hypocrite:
>are you using windows?
>are you using google?
>are you using android or ios?
>are you using gmail, hotmail or yahoo mail?
if you answer yes to these, then GO FUCK YOURSELF
>>55465591
Nice meme. Shouting pedo will not make it true. You need to be banned off this website and anybody who screams pedo for attention /thread were done here don't bother.
if you dont care, dont bother
Some of us do care about our privacy even regarding legal activities.
personally i dont want google analyzing my web history and sharing with amazon to start recommending me more womens underwear to purchase
>>55483235
/thread
>>55466098
It's not "secure" in general, it's "secure" "against unreasonable searches and seizures"
>>55467313
>freetards actually use this false analogy seriously
cute
>>55465972
What if trap porn becomes illegal? Would you stop watching, or try to continue watching illegally? Would you then care about privacy? "We noticed you installed TOR... Why would you do that? You're installing an OS we can't see in to? You're going to jail!"
>>55471636
>people don't have time to shitpost the rest of the year
>>55471362
>implying I didn't get most of this when I first got a Google account, which was when they merged YT accounts with Google accounts
Also nice buzzwords, reddit
Anyone willing to make their own (not someone else's) Facebook account public and post it here while saying that you have nothing to hide and nothing to fear can be my guest :^)
Oh, this thread is still here.
>>55473219
/thread
The way everyone is framing this debate is bullshit. Privacy is a scale. It's not so simple as being this guy
>>55483235
And thinking your just so smart hey.
Let's try break it down a little.
Having nothing to hide it's usually seen as a positive for society as a whole - because it allows us to be protected from terrorists and murderers etc. While privacy is usually regarded and considered on an individual basis. Otherwise,whats the point of having the surveillance in the first place? It's the whole basis for the "nothing to hide argument." if I am not doing anything illegal, then I can show everyone everything and I DON'T MIND.
So in order for everyone(govt in this case because they are the ones surveilling everyone and have the public's interest at heart presumably) to be able to see what everyone else is doing in order for everyone to be safe, we need everyone to give up their right to privacy. That's the argument as I understand it. If anyone would like to correct or clarify anything that would be great.
The only thing is that there are so many problems with this line of reasoning once you break it down like this. First up, you need to trust the government, or whoever is surveilling you. Do you have complete faith in your govt? Be honest now.
Second thing is that if the point of the argument is that by having every single person under surveillance means that crime will be eliminated, then it means you have lost your means of resistance if that surveillance state ever does anything you don't like.
What would the world look like if every person was monitored constantly? Have any of you read 1984? Man. I don't understand why the justification for privacy settings is on the individual and not the state. The state should have to justify why they need to see your shit, not the other way round. This is why we have warrants.
Cont.
>>55490074
Being a realist, /g/ should know better than anyone that if you DO have something to hide, then it's possible to actually hide it if you're not a mongoloid. If I was planning a terrorist attack, I wouldn't use facebook.
So it doesn't actually stop the kinds of things people think it will. It just gets abused by those who monitor everyone. Which history has taught us, happens over and over again.
If you want to get all philosophical, then you can use the nothing to hide argument as a basis for thought control. If you have nothing to hide, and we had the technology, then you won't mind it if we scan your thoughts do you? If we detect anything we think is 'unsavoury' you will be detained immediately. And if you resist we will assume you do have something to hide and so we will detain you immediately. Doesn't this scare the Fuck out of any sane person? Because I know I am.
LOCKS DON'T KEEP CRIMINALS ASIDE
THEY KEEP INNOCENT PEOPLE INNOCENT
Its not that your privacy is important, its that you shouldnt be giving it up unwillingly.
If google chrome came with a prompt that said:
"Enable browsing tracking features?"
with a big explanation of what it does, and if you pressed no, you never had it phone home, then chrome would be the best browser
if it was optional, the botnet would be acceptable
>>55490100
>Its not that your privacy is important
No, it's exactly that.
>>55465568
Redkill yourself senpai
>>55470446
any database is accessible and abusable able by members of whatever organization owns the data
for example
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8713194/Hundreds-of-police-officers-caught-illegally-accessing-criminal-records-computer.html
>>55490116
Everybody knows about my fetishes and shit anyways. What would change if NSA spied on my too? What they do anyways.
>>55471473
>could this kind of surveillance work with no data leaking
so it's impossible then
>>55471473
>>55471528
>>55490250
We need to build an A.I. to govern us.
But even that would not work, because there's always somebody who want's to be on top.
>>55490275
I'd argue an AI would be even easier to influence than flesh and blood leaders because you'd just have to access it secretly and alter it's programming to your liking.
>>55490304
Didn't I just say that?
Still waiting for a nothing to hide memer to post their public Facebook account here :^)
>>55490429
That would be stupid on any 4chan board.
>>55490504
Doesn't matter since they have nothing to fear :^)
>>55490429
>>55490568
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>55473219
I much needed this post. Thanks anon
>live in third-world dystopian shithole
>wish to freely express yourself or provide a valid criticism of poor government policy
>have no privacy
>get jailed for dissent
example:
>be saudi woman
>write email to a friend
>"i sure would live to drive a car one day, isn't it dumb that the clerics say we're not allowed to?"
>government intercepts your message
>you're drug out of your home and beaten by the state morality police
i mean, allowing women to drive is pretty stupid, so that's a bad example, but you get the idea :^)
>>55493542
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>55490275
we could model it after the DAO lol
>>55475998
And that pedo shit nothing to le hide hasn't been repeated ad nauseam? Get real.
>>55494870
>being a huge faggot
>>55494870
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>>55465591
look at all them pedos crying
>>55470175
>saying how thing ought to be or should be is not an argument
you are a retard
>>55465711
corporations/the government having your information in a speadsheet is different than your neighbors seeing your dick
>>55465591
Even if you have nothing to hide, you should care because this is how it starts. You can't just lie down while your privacy is violated, because it only gets worse from here.
>>55466113
leas a total slut i wish her ban was perma
>>55471642
Who's moot?
