what happened with this?
soon(tm)
>>55101488
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzzz5DdzyWY
>>55101488
It was fake, obviously.
Math happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds
It was all a scam. You can't make roadways out of glass and pcb. Not ones that last more than a few days. Those materials are also way too expensive to pave a highway system with.
Also, solar panels that spend a lot of the day being covered up and can't be adjusted to follow the sun for maximum energy production are pretty useless.
>>55101530
>>55101553
These.
In short it's expensive and inefficient.
>>55101488
Cost.
You can yield some dumb amount more energy from off-the-shelf solutions per dollar spent. Cover a bikeway with a cheap-o awning, then put off-the-shelf panels on it. Boom, you have a solution that costs less, yields more, and is better in every way.
>>55101530
>>55101488
>>55101539
It works, it's just not worth it.
anybody who has ever used solar panels would know that are extremely heat conductive. I mean those suckers get fucking hot under the sun. its part of how they work. I think it would be a major hazard in many different ways to construct roads out of panels, even insulated ones. more blown tires, hot roads decreasing viability, scorching hot roads essentially becoming inhospitable to humans during sunny days. probably a host of environmental concerns.
>we're going to recycle glass that was made to be sun resistant and put them onto solar panels
>we're going to replace material that was designed to be as cost efficient as possible with materials that are incredibly expensive
apparently they scamed their own government so you know what, good on them, they actually got away with all that money
What would happen if a 10 ton truck flipped over on that? Did they try that out on their prototype?
>>55102334
Leave trucks.
Temperature, corrosion, wear, maintenance, retards, cleaning.
All that doesnt justify it.
It would have been better to put them next to the roads instead make the roads with them.
>>55102379
>retards
This would be my main concern. There's always someone who has to ruin it for everyone else.
>>55102713
>implying solar roadways would even have been financed without retards
>>55101539
DUDE
SOLAR
FREAKIN`
ROADS
Here's my new kickstarter:
VR roads. Roads that are roads and VR at the same time. Send me 1 million.
>>55101553
Does being a giraffe human make you sound so annoying? And what the fuck is wrong with his neck, I don't know if a 2 ft long neck really counts as exempting you from being a manlet.
>>55101488
Wasn't there some fuckwit spamming that once a day here when it first took off? It seems like it was an experiment from a company on viral marketing.
>>55103300
How will it be different from VR Rails?
>>55101530
>>55101553
Solar roadways no, but solar panels yes. Solar energy is the future, but not for the roadway---at least yet. Though, if you go over to Reddit, young people eat up the nuclear bait. Another reason to dislike that website. STEM babies without a clue liking the science of something without fully understanding the overall issue.
>>55103586
>nuclear is bad
m'kay
>>55101648
Heat also decreases the efficiency of most types of solar cells.
>>55103508
Yes, yes there was. And yes, yes it was.
>>55103586
>le solar is the future meme
Not for grid power
Nuclear is orders of magnitude better for base load, solar would be nice for peak loads like everybody running their ac at the same time
>>55103352
It's interesting, because Thunderfoot also has an abnormally long neck.
Maybe solar roadways would interfere with some scheme the Giraffe-people have cooked up.
>>55103582
what if we put solar cells on the rails?
>>55103730
probably work better than roads
just put it on the wooden ties
it's still shit though, but better than on roads
>>55103730
What if we put you on the rails
>>55103998
pls no bully
we need a code of conduct
>>55104129
It needs to be a nice thick code of conduct so it hurts like hell when I ram it up your ass
>>55103998
>>55104149
>wherein anon tries to be edgy
>>55104166
Edgy beats limp wristed 'please be nice to me on 4chan' faggotry.
>>55104177
>>55104149
>>55103998
Way to derail the thread faggot
Why dont they use fission reactions on trains? Most trains now use a diesel generator to power motors, its the only way they can get the torque required to pull those things. And trains are running pretty much 24/7 which is suited to a nuclear generator that takes a long time to start/stop.
>>55105397
Trains run on electricity. Long Cargo trains for the desert use Diesel. But I don't get what torque would have to do with it. Electric motors can generate a shitton of torque.
>>55103645
this, plus nuclear is still the safest.
>>55105506
>Nuclear
>safer than solar
Just wear some sunscreen nerd.
>>55105528
>too much light gives you cancer
>not enough light makes you blind
>sunscreen probably has some carcinogenic properties
Fucked no matter what I do.
Who ever thought putting solar on a surface that gets driven on daily was a good idea is genuinely a complete moron
why do they have to be UNDER the cars and right next to the road? all you people talking about them being worn out by cars are retarded
Pretty clever scam if you ask me, jelly as fug.
>>55105528
i'm talking about them in terms of industries, numbnuts.
>>55101530
>thunderfoot
Opinion discarded
>>55101488
The made it mote compact and redesigned the form factor, at a bit loss of functionality.
It's called Lego today.
>>55101645
>It works
No, it doesn't. It might generate electricity but that isn't the hard part.
>>55105862
He's pretty based, unlike sjw retards like yourself.
>>55103586
solar power is nuclear power
how sun works?
still waiting for photo voltaic paint
>>55107171
You know he's a fedora right?
>>55107744
Still doesn't discredit his arguments.
>>55107171
>based
>tens of videos obsessing over one woman
>delusional enough to think feminism is the end of western civilization
>seriously believes sjws are an actual thing and not made up
>gets btfo by Eric Hovind
>>55101553
Wait, its actually covered in glass surface that comes into contact with car tires? That shit would kill during the rain.
>>55103586
>not praising Atom
You will perish in Atom's eternal glow. May you never reach division.
Instead of highways they should have tested this on regular pedestrian walkways.
>>55109252
They did
>>55103998
It would be extremely painful
>let's spend a gorillion dollars putting special solar panels that can barely work on roadways.
>let's not spend a lot less and generate a lot more by just creating solar farms
>>55103586
>He doesn't know when you manufacture a solar panels or even windmills it uses more energy in oil and materials, and give more of a carbon print then it will produce in its lifetime
Go hug a tree hippy, this tech is way in its infancy to really make "clean" and efficient energy.
>>55107248
By that argument, all power is nuclear
>>55109559
And we had lead in gasoline once upon a time too, then technology progressed and now we don't.
And we didn't get to that point because we stopped building cars.
Besides it's retarded to just keep burning all of our petroleum products on fuel when we'll need them for plastics and other industrial materials for centuries to come.
>>55109559
Wind is on par with nuclear, retard.
>>55108423
It does
How can one reason, without getting that reason from God?
>>55109628
Yep, that's why there is a green energy bubble in Germany.
>>55109628
>He fell for the windmill meme in the 90s/00
>>55109678
No, that's because Merkel is a retard.
Wind is on par with nuclear on both cost and "cleanliness".
It's just not as compact or safe as nuclear.
>>55109744
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emissions_of_energy_sources#2014_IPCC.2C_Global_warming_potential_of_selected_electricity_sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#DECC
>>55103300
VR
FREAKIN'
ROADWAYS
ok you can give me the mil now
>>55109764
They where retards for falling for that meme.
Reason was cause they broke down or needed to be repaired which costed more than they could make energy to make a profit.
>>55109764
Actually there is a general phobia of nuclear power in germany ever since chernobyl. Its not likely that any german leader would approve it regardless of age, sex, or previous occupation.
>>55105528
You're much more likely to have the panel fall off your roof on your dumbass head than you are for a modern nuclear plant to encounter a problem.
>>55109866
>Wind is operated at a net loss of energy
Faggot, not even solar produces a net loss. It just operates at something like a 1:2 ratio, can't be bothered to look up the exact ratio, which is the lowest of any source.
They fell for the "nuclear is dangerous" meme, which is why they banned it after Fukushima.
>>55109936
Its greener now in Chernobyl after that explosion.
Its a hippyfag wet dream now there.
>>55101648
Have you never even heard of asphalt?
>>55103998
>lost
Whats wrong with me.
>>55109941
Germans are such idiots
Literally the Alabama of Europe
>>55109398
For me?
>>55109628
topkek
>>55101488
Physics won over dream bullshit.
AKA SCAM
>>55110760
>scam
>he doesn't know scams are illegal
>>55109936
>Solar panel worst case scenario is it falling on your head
>Nuclear worst case is nasty radiation poisoning and mass evacuation of the surrounding area.
>>55101488
The next step, vehicles that don't have to collide with the ground to move. That should cut the cost a bit. Maybe the propulsion of the new vehicles will work synergistically with the road to keep it maintained/cleaned. Bio-technology maybe? Shit made out of other living shit.
>>55111199
>I'm the German head of state and what is probability?
>>55111367
>low probability means it will never happen.
>>55111397
>low probability means it will definitely happen
>>55111397
No, but it will happen less often than something with a higher probability.
At that point, you just have to multiply the probability with the magnitude of consequence and you have the risk.
Divide that by power produced and you have the safety of any given power source.
And as it turns out, nuclear is more than 7 times safer than solar.
>>55109596
No.
Coal power plants harvest energy from burning coal, which is a chemical process.
Plants gets energy through photosynthesis, which is also chemical.
Wind and water turbines harvest kinetic energy of wind and water (respectively)
Sun's energy comes from nuclear fusion,
Nuclear power plants gets it from nuclear fission.
Now guess which one of those plays with nuclear power?
>>55111623
>Coal power plants harvest energy from burning coal, which is a chemical process.
Coal, which was produced via nuclear fusion.
>Plants gets energy through photosynthesis, which is also chemical.
Light, which is primarily black-body radiation from a local nuclear reactor.
>Wind and water turbines harvest kinetic energy of wind and water (respectively)
Kinetic energy, which was caused by the radiation from a local nuclear reactor.
>Sun's energy comes from nuclear fusion,
Which is a nuclear reaction.
>Nuclear power plants gets it from nuclear fission.
Which is a nuclear reaction.
>Now guess which one of those plays with nuclear power?
D. All of the above.
SOLAR
FREAKIN
ROADWAYS
>>55109645
>>55107744
>atheism = fedora
Are murricans really this retarded, lel
>>55110493
so beautiful?
>>55111753
>>55111530
Nuclear is safer not because its an inherently safer energy source. Its safer because of the massive amount of safety regulations set on it.
>>55101488
It's always been non-cost effective snake oil to captivate redditors. Just like other forms of green energy and free health care.
>>55111792
>Of course it's safer, but that's just because of regulations, so it doesn't count
This is what Merkels actually believes
I own a paper from 1948 that describes the risks of nuclear reactors
Basically everything described turned out to be true
>>55111753
They are.
Especially the American atheists
>>55111872
There are regions in europe where most people are atheists
>>55111804
I'm still hype for lake batteries
>>55111790
Not even atheism... most theists incorporate evolution into their beliefs.
>>55111886
Yes but they are not Americans, therefore not retarded about it.
Americans take religion so stupidly serious, even when their religion is no religion.
>>55111897
>Americans take religion so stupidly serious
Oh yeah because when I think of religious fanaticism, I immediately think of America
>>55111914
They're too lazy and too distracted by malls for complete fanaticism, they just keep it at spouting retarded shit.
>>55111935
>malls
>still relevant
What shit backwards country do you still live in?
>>55103300
>>55109813
Why not just put the VR in the windshield?
>>55112048
a country that never had a huge obsession with malls?
>>55111935
>>55112201
my god the luxury handbag meme. what a fucking bust.....handbags.....proof that rich people have no idea what to do with all their cash
>>55103586
Nuclear is better if you care about the environment. Aiming for solar now isn't smart. Sure, it's obviously the future. We're gonna run out of everything but solar or other solar powered (see wind, hydro etc) sources.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I
Nuclear really has to get pushed more.
I hate faggots who thinks it's still dangerous. Fukushima was the nipps own damned fault. Not a place where they should build nuclear powerplants and not a good reactor.
>>55103586
Nuclear is better if you care about the environment. Aiming for solar now isn't smart. Sure, it's obviously the future. We're gonna run out of everything but solar or other solar powered (see wind, hydro etc) sources.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I
Nuclear really has to get pushed more.
I hate faggots who thinks it's still dangerous. Fukushima was the nipps own damned fault. Not a place where they should build nuclear powerplants and not a good reactor.
>>55112343
>doubleposting
Fuck. I've been copying my posts since 2006 and this hasn't really happened before.
I swear.
>>55112343
>nuclear is safe the sowjets are just stupid
>nuclear is safe the japs are just stupid
newsflash: everyone is stupid
>>55112343
Yea it's ridiculous how the green crowd almost unanimously hates nuclear.
>>55112343
it's still too fucking risky
you don't play around with destroying entire regions and rendering them inhabitable
we've been presented with 4 pretty clear warnings about this already
>>55111894
>incorporate evolution into their beliefs
How nice. Like their faith has anything to do with the reality of the situation. All religious fags are simpletons.
>>55112368
Well, there were precisely 0 deaths from Fukushima, so they were only kind of stupid.
>>55112437
>Well, there were precisely 0 deaths from Fukushima,
>not sure if retarded or sarcastic
>>55112368
>everyone is stupid
So why should they live?
Seriously anon they deserve to have these catastrophes. If you look at the status of all first world country reactors you will find that none of them are that bad.
Also the Soviets weren't just retarded. The details in that catastrophe is just staggering.
>general tells you to run dangerous test without automatic fail-safes at 4am in the morning at the worst fucking possible time
>nobody dares say command is stupid to avoid the gulag
>they'd all just rather die because in soviet Russia nobody wants to live
>>55112401
Untrue. But it's a shame that green _voters_ are retarded. They do it for emotional reasons.
See:
Green parties never advocate battery research over solar or windpower
They buy _expensive_ locally farmed goods instead of saving that money and throwing it at research privately
They don't live on just beans and water/rice and water.
Most don't live in log houses.
They drive cars that run on biogas or whatever memes. (Biogas, unless 100% renewable from the local area refuse. Assuming western society. Is worse than petrol)
>>55112410
They're all very minor incidents in the grand scale. Compared to fossil fuel it's nothing. And if you'd watch that video and you care about people in poor countries like. We'd have one once Chernobyl a week and it doesn't even matter assuming the fallout doesn't spread unfortunately. And with more research they wouldn't be as bad as the worst shit to come out of the 60's.
>>55112483
>implying nuclear disasters are isolated to the country in which they occur
>>55112343
>I hate faggots who thinks it's still dangerous. Fukushima was the nipps own damned fault. Not a place where they should build nuclear powerplants and not a good reactor.
This, there's a post on some other forum that explain it very well. (Pic related)
>>55112534
Human beings live for short amounts of time. Unless there's an unfortunate concentration of radioactive fallout (very possible, but with low rates like the ones we've had it's very unlikely) we don't affect the lifespans of the population too much.
Again, it's considering what's mentioned in that video. It's a bigger issue than just the climate.
speaking of nuclear energy are those weird cheap geiger counters any good?
if we really wanted to reduce pollution and energy use we would impose driving bans and force people to relocate from the suburbs closer to their place of work
that will never happen because no one is seriously trying to curb energy use
>>55112608
or just let people work at home
but no, if some worthless wanker can't come over to you and interrupt your work every 15 minutes it doesn't count as work
>>55112608
No. We'd make production more efficient.
https://youtu.be/JaF-fq2Zn7I?t=219
good summary part of the video.
Anyone that supports nuclear is brainwashed by the people that WANT TO MAINTAIN CONTROL THE ENERGY SUPPLY
Wind and solar = freedom from the assholes that destroy our earth and then have the audacity to sell us OUR OWN fuel
I recently put solar panels on my roof and told my utility to go fuck themselves and I encourage everyone here to do the same
If everyone does this, we have no need for coal or nuclear or all this other bullshit. The cost is high but we must be willing to pay it and not be deterred by those that want to still act as energy middlemen
>>55112660
Yes. Solar and wind is certainly cool.
But it's not ready. Everyone can't do that. it's too expensive and too resource demanding.
If we view environmental issues as immediately urgent then we can't rely on it at all unless there's major research put down.
>>55112690
>Everyone can't do that.
Yes they can, because there are two ways to do this: either pony up and increase your energy supply or decrease your energy usage. We need to think about this on a person by person basis.
Not everyone can pony up but everyone can decrease their energy usage. Poor people that cannot afford to produce their own electricity (NOW, or say in the next 10 years) simply cannot be permitted to consume large amounts of energy, period. We have to stop subsidizing them.
>solar roadways
Bob's your uncle and a fine howdoyoudo, it's a fucking sham. Why would you drive on solar panels, retard.
>>55112745
>Yes they can
>increase your energy supply or decrease your energy usage
Ok anon so your idea is that poor people should stop being such resource hogs. And rich (western world) people should start buying TONS AND TONS of solar power.
Look at the estimates to supply cities completely with solar. It's too big. You're never gonna reach that.
And even so there's no way you're getting people to switch off their cars with public transportation as your only alternative.
You set your goals very low if you consider this a soltuion. Because most places of the world are already encouraging this kind of behavior and are trying to increase awareness. Your solution is being tried and it doesn't fucking work.
So we have to try something else. People move too slowly and it's terribly naive to think that you can somehow make a significant difference with this idea.
If you don't buy that it's being tried where you are look at countries which do try.
>they're not trying hard enough
Yeah sure if we're gonna solve it through these means just surrender all control to a police state which makes burning fossil fuels illegal.
Don't think anyone would vote for that though.
>>55103586
>shitting on solar and eating up nuclear is now the Reddit thing to do
neo-/g/ everyone
Short-term: Nuclear power
Long-term: Space-based solar power
>>55112856
No I'm saying that on a person-by-person basis they should be paying for a unit of energy that is on par with the renewable price
poor people aren't generally resource hogs anyways to begin with
rich people need to pay the true renewable price of the energy they consume
>cars
that's included in the calculation. I sold my car and use an EV to get to work. I'm not rich. If I can do it there is NO reason that the rest of the world can't do it too. We live in too much comfort. If people want to maintain that comfort they need to be willing to work and pay for it.
>police state
No, I think we need to fund more R&D by taxing energy more heavily. Does that suck for most people? Yes, of course. We've been living like kings at the oil/coal teat for a century. Someone, eventually, is going to have to pay for it. If we keep kicking the can down the road, the problem only compounds itself and we are screwing future generations that might not just have to pay more for energy, but might need to forgo most modern conveniences.
daily reminder that even if you factored in dead people and meltdowns, nuclear costs .5 as much as solar over the lifetime of everything involved
>>55112368
The soviets were operating a reactor with a carbon moderator, a design from the late 50s. It was the birth of nuclear energy of course it eventually went wrong. They weren't stupid, just forced to compete with the entire rest of the world while not being economically able to rack up debt.
>>55112956
>short term vs long term
What do you even mean anon. You're supposed to create an energy plan for the world. You can't just jump in to our UN level discussion and say "yeah this shit is obvious I got it". Everyone knows that if you want to reduce Co2 emissions to 0 you just go nuclear right now. Nobody sane suggests solar as the solution to the short term.
And the solar for the long term is just a fact. All energy external to our system is radiation from the sun (or other stars)
>>55112980
>I think we need to fund more R&D by taxing energy more heavily.
Yes but that's an extremely unpopular proposal. Compared to investing heavily in nuclear to offset and invest heavily into batteries and solar research.
>poor people aren't generally resource hogs anyways to begin with
Yes but it's also true that energy prices hit the poor first. If we're gonna have energy prices that only apply to rich people that's another thing. But just like laws that only apply to groups of people that's very unpopular.
>if we keep kicking...
Lets hypothetically say I'm arguing entirely for kicking the can down the road as far as possible.
Thing is that nuclear is sustainable for an unbelievable amount of time. If we haven't solved our issues by then maybe we deserve to die. Really my biggest concern is the material can be used for weapons. They're currently nation-state sized projects, enriching uranium that is. But if we do more research without having affordable effective ICBM countermeasures I think rogue states could be a big issue. But this is speculation. I haven't considered it much. Regardless traveling wave reactors don't share this problem to the same degree at all and the research should have major gains in areas other than nuclear.
>>55113045
That specific incident was really stupid though. It wasn't just the graphite moderator.
>>55113022
Gonna have to source that. But yeah seems on the right side of 1 at least.
>>55112201
That's actually a Westfield mall in London, not America. (And I didn't ascertain that from the fact that there's Muslims in the shot).
Goddamn country's becoming little Baghdad.
>>55113114
>Yes but that's an extremely unpopular proposal
If we're going to discuss the energy and climate problem like adults then maybe the kids just need to go to bed
Our entire lifestyle right now is subsidized by millions of years worth of serendipitous oil and we're going to blow through it in two centuries. We have to put the brakes on and the only way that will happen is through disincentivation.
>>55112301
>rich people
Shut up anon
You know jack shit. They're status symbols among women. Stupid women, in fact.
Compare it to a fancy car.
>>55112596
Doubtful.
You can build a fairly simple geiger counter yourself though.
That is probably just an ion chamber detector, no GM tube and power supply likely will fit in there, so it's not truly a geiger meter.
>>55113189
>thatsthejoke.jpg
>>55108646
Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicosis
>>55112980
>I sold my car and use an EV to get to work.
Nice meme. With the emissions from generating electricity and the replacement of battery every 5 years it make little to no difference.
>I think we need to fund more R&D by taxing energy more heavily
Thats retarded. Sure, the gravy train in the West is coming to an end but it's not because of lack of oil or "climate change" (remember how everyone thought we'd run out of oil now we have more than ever?) it because of large state programs. But yeah surely some more will fix everything.
>>55113246
>With the emissions from generating electricity and the replacement of battery every 5 years it make little to no difference
I spend $0.005 (1/2 cent) to power my ebike on a daily commute in pure energy costs. Actually believing that if everyone did this (even only part of the time) would have little to know effect just shows how brainwashed you are.
>Thats retarded
I never said that taxes shouldn't be reduced overall, I only said that taxes (or applying a True Cost of energy tax) on energy should increase and be earmarked for alternative energy R&D
>>55113209
Ok so you're just making a suggestion based on what would be an ideal solution rather than a realistic one. Sounds like you don't really care about solving the problem.
Why hasn't this already been done then? Do you think nobody else in the whole world has been suggesting we stop subsidizing our energy with oil?
It's been an issue forever now.
We can't rely on the public if we care about the issues.
>>55113246
No it's actually quite significant already. Batteries are by far the biggest issue though. People underestimate how problematic their cars (and transportation in general) is.
>"climate change"
>proceeds to make a point about how much oil exists
Proved yourself to know nothing of the issue.
It's about who you care about. If you're a relatively rich person (likely we all are) you have nothing to fear aside from non-subsidized prices or war because of it.
>>55113297
>citing the price
>in pure energy
At least face his argument. I agree he's wrong but you're not convincing anyone with this stuff.
>>55113297
>ebike
Oh. Not a car replacement. I had an ebike which broke, so now I do the same with no battery but get more well needed exercise. But you can't do car things with a bike.
>True Cost of energy
Market price (with no state interference) is the true price. When oil gets scarce while the demand is going up the price will go up (but now it's low).
Where I live more than 50% of the price of gas is tax. But rather the money goes to the ever growing parasite class (through a very inefficient state). While the debt piles up of course. Climate change and lack of oil in the future is just a small problem in comparison.
But even If we fail to handle the other issues there'll be no room to solve the potential oil issues in time, while if we solve them tackling of issues won't be too hard.
>>55107171
>remainer
d i s c a r d e d
you can buy a solar panel in like 150 bucks you know.
>inb4 it's shit
I was planning on powering my refrigerator using solar, to lower my energy bill.
any tip on this?
>>55113681
>I was planning on powering my refrigerator using solar, to lower my energy bill.
Sounds like the "it's shit" part is pretty relevant.
I have no idea.
>>55113681
if you're not using batteries nor going largely off-grid, just get a grid-tie inverter
>>55103645
And what if people don't want to draw their power from a grid?
If I could I would buy a couple solar panels and use them on my roof, then not have to pay electricity.
>>55113876
With solars low efficiency and the need for batteries you'll lose money.
>>55113925
How will i lose money once the solar panel starts paying for itself?
>>55105862
He has a PhD in chemistry and is a well-respected scientist (published in Nature last year). He knows what he's talking about with shit like this.
>>55111623
Coal power plants also harvest kinetic energy you massive retard
>>55101488
It's not real.
>>55113866
holy fuck bro.
my refrigerator consumes 700wats.
It will cost me 1.5 only the panels.
holy fuck.
>>55114067
if solar was cheap, everyone would be doing it
>>55101488
MORE COAL!
That's what we fucking need!
>>55101488 (Checked)
I always thought that was a stupid fucking idea. Solar panels underneath something that cars always drive over? Why?
>>55112484
What is this an image of?
It looks like nothing.
>>55112368
How many people died from the Fukushima "disaster"? Not the Tsunami, how many died from the actual nuclear disaster? Go check wikipedia. I'll wait.
>>55101488
It can still work but the filthy capitalists are preventing it because of profit.
I mean first they are selling water.
Next they will be selling air.
Why make energy free then?
>China is working on molten salt reactors
>commercial deployment around 2030
Just fucking end me.
>>55112467
Go look it up, ya dunce.
You've been boondoggled by the "green" movement, who hijacked a legitimate natural disaster (a horribly destructive TSUNAMI) to stir up fear and anti-nuclear sentiment. Seriously, go read about it. Nobody died at the Fukushima reactor. Zero deaths.
>>55112534
Nuclear disasters really are isolated to their immediate areas by how bad the reaction is. Chernobyl was noticed from higher than usual levels of radiation being picked up BUT it's so little that it would never affect anyone. Going from 0.00002 to 0.00004, literally 100% increase, has little to no affect on anything other than things designed to detect changes.
The future is near
www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/18/portugal-runs-for-four-days-straight-on-renewable-energy-alone
>>55101488
>roads
>made of glass
glass roads wont be slippery will they guys?
and theyll have lights on them and unicorns will frolick on them!
>>55112660
I designed and installed solar arrays for several years before I was so jaded that I moved into aviation power systems. Rooftop PV is almost entirely toys for "green" yuppies with too much money, and/or a tax shelter for extremely wealthy, aging baby-boomers.
It will someday be available to everyone (India is trying to make that happen) but we're definitely not there yet.
>>55105862
i want tumblr to leave.
>>55112660
>Destroy our Earth
The universe is made of consistently degrading systems. The Earth is part of the Universe and therefore has a lifespan. We won't have any issues with the longevity of the Earth and, at some point, its ability to support us will drain. To think that we are somehow accelerating this timeline, I ask you prove that human life and the way it's going is somehow wrong in comparison to a provable perfect system which we should move to. Otherwise, we are following a standard line of human expansion and will survive no problem.
Science and technology will always save us.
>>55113226
>16GB RAM
>>55114581
>Science and technology will always save us.
prove it
>>55113938
because "a few" solar panels won't cut it. You won't produce enough to cover your own usage unless you spend ~$10,000 minimum right now. PV modules are getting cheap, but the inverter is still fairly expensive. You also won't have power at night. Ever. Unless you invest in a lot of batteries, maybe another 5-10 grand.
By all means, put some panels on your roof. It helps ease peak load on the rest of the grid. If everybody could afford to do it, the grid as a whole would be a lot more stable and easier to manage, but you're not gonna get totally off-grid with $2,000 worth of panels.
>>55103586
>le nukular maymay
Coal smoke fetishist detected
>>55114581
We're probably destroying our ability to live comfortably on Earth. Better?
>>55110735
No, for the train you goddamn idiot.
>>55111792
>>55103586
and bernie not getting nominated just shows how rigged everything is.
>>55115304
>saying "maymay"
kill yourself
Most of the roadways in the United States are shaded by trees anyways you wouldn't be able to charge anything with a solar panel in the road
>>55112343
>We're gonna run out of everything but solar or other solar powered (see wind, hydro etc) sources.
Protip: There's enough uranium in the Earth's crust to last us longer than the expected lifetime of the sun.
And that's just uranium. Thorium is some 1 000 times more prevalent.
We'll run out of solar long before we run out of nuclear.
>>55105465
his point is it's diesel->electric->kinetic, rather than diesel->kinetic which i'm guessing is a lot more efficient
>>55101488
was space for solar panels ever an issue to begin with. maymay shit
>>55109332
more like they claimed to have
>>55114111
>if solar was cheap, everyone would be doing it
What makes solar so expensive? I want to imagine that it isn't so much different than glass and glass is cheap.
>>55112083
People buy cars.
Governments buy roads.
Guess which one of these has hilarious millions of moneys to waste on dreamers.
>>55121930
Seconded, if they have a solar walkway somewhere, it shouldn't be hard to find pics.
>>55114144
Originally it was an image about radiation, but recently it's been discovered to actually be the number of rapes per minute, combined with seacurrents carrying over the rapes to other countries.
You see, when Japan molests another schoolgirl on the train, that molestation spreads via the Atlantic towards the US, Antarctica and even South America. Basically anything in yellow or red is danger of "Japan inspired rape" right now.
The purple part on the map right there? Waling boats full of men buggering eachother in the ass against their will.
>>55122485
are you drunk or really fucking bored
>>55122315
>I want to imagine that it isn't so much different than glass
It's 100% pure semiconductor-grade silicon layers who's crystalline structures have opposite orientations. Traditionally, mucking around with the structure involves basically blasting wafers of monocrystaline silicon with surface-of-the-sun levels of heat to quickly melt and reform them. Problem is that method is a bit of a crapshoot, and actual efficiency of the cells varies widely. They sort them by measured efficiency and price them accordingly. Around 80% of the cells go back to get re-melted for the next batch. No loss in materials, but a lot of heat energy goes into melting the silicon over and over again.
Hence the statistic that a solar panel requires more energy to make than it will produce in its lifetime.
>>55122637
>Hence the statistic that a solar panel requires more energy to make than it will produce in its lifetime
No it fucking does not, having a panel (as long as your property is ideal) is still beneficial, even if you depend on other energy supply
Science happened.
SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS
>>55103586
>Nuclear is bad
You're a retard.
>>55122694
>>55112368
Chernobyl was an exercise in purposely doing everything as wrong as it can be done. The details on that are so indescribably retarded, that the soviets should win an eternal darwin award for it.
Fukushima was the classic case of Japanese gentleman's agreements and other cultural issues gone wrong, same as they experienced in their airlines.
>>55112410
>4
List them please.
>>55112484
This was debunked four years ago, sped.
>>55112956
>Space based solar power
So you're just going to send all that power through RF?
What a waste.
Dyson Spheres when?
>>55112980
>If I can do it there is NO reason that the rest of the world can't do it too.
You're incredibly sheltered and self centered.
You live in an area with paved roads, probably a suburb, right?
I'd rather not pay as much as a new car for a new battery every few years. I'd much rather get a nice used car for 3000 or less dollars then drive that for the next decade.
>I think we need to fund more R&D by taxing energy more heavily
You're trusting the government to properly use that tax money? Fuck the poor man, amirite?
Nuclear is already here, and its biggest enemy is people who don't understand it.
>>55113297
>ebike
You can't haul shit with that, you can't use it in the winter, you can't use it in mud season, you can't go long distances with it.
Not everybody lives in the city, kid.
The number of people the oil lobby has tricked into thinking nuclear energy is bad is astounding.
Just so all you fools are aware: we've has designs for nuclear power plants that cannot melt down for 30 years. Testing was done in the late 80's and early 90's demonstrating that literally every active safety feature could be disabled on these reactors and they still couldn't melt down. Very few have been built because people are afraid of nuclear reactor melt downs. Wrap your head around that.
>>55114160
Sure, it can work, but it's about the most inefficient use of all the materials and space involved.
>>55114610
>Being so poor you can't afford 16gb
Enjoy your paging.
>>55124288
yeah okay, I'll believe some random person on the internet over President Sanders.
>>55124239
>Nuclear is already here, and its biggest enemy is people who don't understand it.
is it alright if we drop the waste in front of your house then?
>>55124326
Sure, why not?
Considering the amount of safety equipment involved in waste storage, and the fact that most waste is low level shit, I wouldn't be worried.
Oh by the way, I live fairly close to a nuclear power plant and associated waste storage facilities, which hold everything from exposed clothing to old fuel rods. Not everybody sees chernobyl behind every corner.
http://burtrutan.com/downloads/EngrCritiqueCAGW-v4o3.pdf
Interesting read, although I have to admit that I haven't finished researching everything it claims yet.
building roads out of solar panels? what would be the point of that?
>>55109616
>Besides it's retarded to just keep burning all of our petroleum products on fuel when we'll need them for plastics and other industrial materials for centuries to come.
Perhaps you should learn how crude distillation works. We don't burn the same parts that make plastics and synthetics.
>>55103658
Cardassians in disguise.
They are here to solve the Bajoran problem.
>>55124271
>You can't haul shit with that, you can't use it in the winter, you can't use it in mud season, you can't go long distances with it.
All of these points are false.
>>55124163
>List them please.
Chern, Kyshtym, 3 mile, Fuku
>>55114581
>Science and technology will always save us.
No they won't. Mother nature always wins.
>>55114173
>Nobody died at the Fukushima reactor. Zero deaths.
>at
That doesn't mean that the disaster didn't cause any deaths.
>>55124239
>I'd rather not pay as much as a new car for a new battery every few years.
False.
>>55124434
to feel like were living in a sci fi movie
>>55101488
1000hz road noise
Download a tone generator and see how long you can go without it pissing you off.
>>55124859
>his head unit doesn't support 1Khz noise cancellation
>>55105397
>he doesn't know that the motors on diesel trains power a generator, that then powers a electric motor.
>>55106414
You don't know what you're talking about and it shows
>>55124757
Just because you say they're false doesn't make it so. What I said about the batteries assumed that you meant something other than a bicycle.
Show me an electric bicycle hauling 800 pounds of anything.
Show me an electric bicycle being useful when it's -10f out with a windchill of -30, and snowing.
Show me an electric bicycle going up miles of dirt roads after a snowmelt.
Show me an electric bicycle going 300+ miles without recharging.
Oh also
Show me an electric bicycle not losing a significant amount of range in freezing conditions.
All of this would be the minimum I would need to replace my car with.
3 mile island, despite astounding incompetence by the operators, didn't result in a significant amount of radiation release, injuries, or death.
Kyshtym wasn't even nuclear power, it was soviets botching other nuclear research.
Chernobyl was bad, but it was truly a unique occurrence. The terrible reactor design, terrible containment, terrible disaster response, and terrible crew were all a uniquely soviet problem, and has since been learned from so even the russians aren't retarded enough to let it happen again.
Fukushima's biggest problem was the gigantic tsunami, the power plant was a much lesser disaster, and far less devastating than chernobyl. Once more, it was TEPCO horribly mismanaging the plant, which was constructed in a time of less regulation. No surprise that neighboring plants were just fine afterwards.
Please understand subjects before commenting on them, you're making an ass of yourself.
>>55126038
Fukushima was a pre-chernobyl plant (designs changed after chernobyl) that was running 20 years past its operational runtime (because new plants were being blocked by environmentalists) that was hit by an earthquake and a tsunami at the same time, while managed by people who thought that earthquakes that strong would never happen in a fucking earthquake zone.
I mean there's 'what can go wrong will go wrong' and everything that could go wrong did, and it wasn't that bad.
Radiation ruins an area, coal ruins the entire fucking ecosystem.
And radiation doesn't even ruin the area, it just makes humans not like living there. Chernobyl is full of wildlife, and there are no humans to drop coke cans and shit everywhere.
My solution to radioactive waste is to dump it in national parks. No-one's going to go there to fuck up the park if it's glowing.
>>55126038
>Show me an electric bicycle hauling 800 pounds of anything.
>Show me an electric bicycle being useful when it's -10f out with a windchill of -30, and snowing.
>Show me an electric bicycle going up miles of dirt roads after a snowmelt.
>Show me an electric bicycle going 300+ miles without recharging.
>my obscure use cases mean that the technology is not feasible for the masses
even if you got rid of cars for 3/4 the year in your hypothetical frozen tundra, it would still have a major impact
>>55126157
>Hypothetical frozen tundra
Vermont.
>Obscure cases
Come on now, you can't be serious.
Not all of us live in the city, hipster.
You also didn't offer any examples or refute anything I said. Your argument is pretty terrible, not going to lie.
The Dutch made a solar electric foot part.
Turns out it worked better than expected.
>>55114581
vastly underrated post
>>55111792
>europoors
SOLAR
FREAKIN
ROADWAYS
>>55101488
it was a horrible idea so it didn't happen
