>I need a new laptop. I'm leaning towards a macbook because that seems to be the cool thing to do.
>But before I pull the trigger, maybe I should see what /g/ has to say about it:
>"Apple is gay and you are gay"
>"OSX sucks"
>"Overpriced"
>Okay then, I'll guess I do a bit of research before making a decision.
>[hours worth of research later]
>So basically there are like 2 or 3 Windows laptops that approach the comparable Macbooks, all of which have some glaring flaws despite being around the same price.
>Macbooks have an amazing battery life, track pad, display, and I can install Windows if I really want to.
>I'm going to buy a macbook, not because it's the cool thing to do, but because it's the smart thing to do.
>>53799919
>buy macshit
>osx is a massive pile of shit
>hfs+ is the worst filesystem in history and actively corrupts any data stored on it
>battery efficiency is utter shit that makes XXXTREME GAYMEN LAPTOPS look efficient by comparison
>applel makes up for it by stuffing a fuckhuge massive heavy battery in it
>the room sacrificed is where the cooling system should have been
>overheats when doing any task other than facebooking
>throttles to 800mhz
>smart thing to do
Nice meme.
>want a laptop
>go on /g/ looking for what to buy
>get a Thinkpad T420
>put Ubuntu on it
>holy shit this thing is amazing
Thanks /g/
I'd probably try a macbook, seeing as OSX looks similar to Ubuntu, but this laptop and OS are so great
>>53799919
apple is gay and you are gay
OSX sucks
overpriced
multiple cheaper alternatives with higher performance
kill yourself
>>53800138
Don't you have some piss bottles to throw out? It is a well-known fact that Macbooks have by far the best battery LIFE. Who gives a shit about "battery efficiency"?
>>53799919
I was also thinking of doing this. Then I realized I don't want to waste that much money on a laptop. I think I'm gonna get a Chromebook. They all look like mackbook pro or air anyway
>>53799919
Yep. Currently with an 2014 rMBP and am set for the next few years
>>53799919
>rationalizing this hard
You have let the memes control your life.
![chart-1449073421989[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Kp6df9Q.png "chart-1449073421989[1].png")
>>53800389
No they don't. Why would you lie like that?
>>53800400
I'm sure you will be fine, but you would have also been fine with a different computer which costs hundreds of dollars less.
>>53800439
WOW, intel atom shit and chinkpads with giant tumors attached to them
>>53800389
>macshit
>single digit for "pro" shit
>barely 12 for crippled air shit
>best battery life
Don't listen to the autists:
Linux home computer + macbook is truly the master race.
>>53799919
>buying brand-new memeshit like a gullible goyim
Hardware 3 years old is literally better, just not quite as energy efficient.
>>53800389
People who don't want 1000kg of battery to carry around and/or people who want largeish fans and heatsinks so the laptop runs both cool and quiet.
Macbooks are known to throttle VERY heavily to the point where fucking linus threw that shit in water and measured a performance difference.
>>53799919
Just buy a fucking XPS 15
rMBPs are the best laptops on the market OP. People have tried time and time again to disprove it on here but never come close.
>>53799919
Caring about what x thinks.
2016.
>>53800464
http://business.panasonic.co.uk/computer-product/products-and-accessories/semi-ruggedized-notebooks/cf-54 18 hours
http://business.panasonic.com/toughbook/fully-rugged-laptop-toughbook-31.html 27+ hours, don't know which battery they used in the main bay for that calculation.
http://us.getac.com/notebooks/B300/features.html 30 hours.
>>53800512
Nice try Pajeet from Dell.
>>53800439
>Comparing the battery lives of laptops that are 5x heavier
>>53800548
Yes, things with giant battery tumors attached to them tend to get more battery life. Do you want a cookie or something?
>>53800542
>/x/
Then who was null?
2spooky
>>53800553
some us aren't not 100 lb faggot weaklings
>>53800512
rMBP 15 is less than 4.5 lbs. rMBP 13 is less than 3.5 lbs.
>XPS 15
Battery life (in the QHD version) is garbage compared to the rMPB 15 and it has a shitty webcam placement and mediocre keyboard and trackpad.
>>53800560
You were just defending the macbook doing the same thing.
All of those use internal batteries to achieve that life, and the batteries certainly aren't what's making them thick.
>>53800553
DYELfags rekt. If you can't handle a few more oz in your backpack, kill yourself.
>>53800591
>Lightweight and slim design (approx. 1.99 kg and 29.8mm)
>1.99 kg
>29.8mm
No, it's a fucking tumor.
Get the macbook OP. Its a Unix workstation that has commercial support. Plus that Apple hardware is some of the best.
>>53800593
I deadlift and squat 3pl8.
>>53800483
Exactly.
save us based scatman
I would never switch my Tower with Win10/Ubuntu for a Mac Pro or iMac, but after using a MacBook as a laptop for 3 years I don't want to go back to wintops ever again. They are just amazing for mobile use.
>>53800572
>QHD (2160p) model batter life is crap
>compares it to 1440p 16:10 rMBP
>shitty webcam replacement
Would you take a better webcam placement or an amazing IPS screen?
>mediocre keyboard and trackpad
Subjective, 2/10 bait
>>53800628
So you're 1plate away from finishing starting strength. Congrats.
>>53800138
Who needs efficiency when you can just cram the biggest fucking battery in your laptop xD
>>53800668
>comparing a proper quad core laptop with crippled ULV dual core "ultra"books
>work at Apple store
>get 25% + $500 off any Mac
>???
>Profit!
>>53800628
Not only are you full of shit. But if it were true, you wouldn't get anal devastated over a few ounces.
P.S. nothing will fix your tiny dick
>>53800657
>1440p 16:10 rMBP
the rMBP 15 is 2880x1800
>Would you take a better webcam placement or an amazing IPS screen?
rMBP has a better screen. Dell just made the bezel on the XPS so small they can't put a webcam where it's supposed to be.
>Subjective, 2/10 bait
It is objective that there has never been a person who has used both trackpads and keyboards and thought the XPS's was better.
I bought a Macbook after having used 3 different ThinkPads over the span of 3 years or so. Best computer I've ever owned by far. I don't care if my gaming computer has more processing power.
I want to buy a rMBP 13 inch but I just know Apple's gonna announce the new version two weeks after.
What are the odds of them announcing it anytime soon? And if they did announce it before I could return it, how much would I be spending to get the new one after selling / trading in?
>>53800724
>literally admits buying for aesthetics over performance
leave /g/ forever, redditnigger
>>53800775
>muh gaymes
>>53800753
New ones are most likely coming out June/July.
>>53800704
I don't think you realise that when you get stronger things don't feel lighter, you fucking bellend.
>>53799919
Macbooks are great for normalfaggots doing their normalfaggoty tasks.
Other people got more interesting shit to do, and need better equipment.
>>53800724
That's pixel density. Retina is not a new or l33t sekrret klub technology, it's just a fucking name for a specific pixel density. You can acquire higher pixel density in smaller devices.
>>53800693
Go shill on another board.
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t560/
That is a competitor that offers equivalent specs for lower price at better performance because it's not going to be loaded with gnome the OS.
>>53800775
I think xir's image demonstrates a clear quality difference.
>>53800800
>Other people got more interesting shit to do
Such as?
>>53800775
>MUH i7 32GB DDR4 SLI GTX 980ti FOR BROWSING 4CHAN
>>53800808
Humans need to breathe, eat, sleep and drink to continue living.
/g/tards shitting on MBPs are 80% poorfag used chinkpad faggots hiding behind
>I-It's powerfull enough
>m-muh rollcage
>y-you get used to the smell
>s-so cheap, I'm a smart consumer!!!
>>53800800
>Other people got more interesting shit to do, and need better equipment.
Walk into any tech company and 3/4 of the people will be using macs.
>>53799919
Macbook pro non retina best value
>>53800832
I fell for the used Thinkpad meme and felt like an idiot the first day of class.
The interesting stuff is done on Unix compute clusters you dolt, not on laptops.
>>53800808
$1,100 to get the 3k screen, 8GB of RAM, and a 128GB SSD. Loses out on battery, storage speed, and CPU performance. Nice bait. I seriously hope you're not comparing it to the 15 inch model, because you can't even get a quad core configuration.
>>53800832
>Implying those are bad
I never understood people spending frivilously for literally no advantage
It's not even like a Mac gives you a status in North America, unlike a Rolex; in China or something it might, but literally nobody in the States or Canada or where ever cares that you have a Mac
Why waste money when you can get something that suits your exact needs for much cheaper?
Also I've never encountered Thinkpad smell
>if u dont like mac u are just a neckbort linux penguin fagit xD
fuck im dyin lmao
>>53800869
cause having good things is nice
>no advantage
ye right
>>53800869
>for literally no advantage
How about the high PPI IPS display with an ATW polarizer?
Or the trackpad, which is probably the second best thing to a mouse?
Don't forget the fact it runs OS X out of the box, which is by far the biggest advantage.
>>53800905
Give one good reason why OSX is better than Windows or Linux.
>>53800905
Fair enough; I did consider that, but I didn't word it properly, so my bad
My point is, though, that for a large number of people that stuff doesn't make a bit of a difference, so therefore buying a Mac is superfluous
>>53800886
>said rajesh
>>53800923
Have you even screen a rMBP screen? You must be legally blind if you can't tell the difference between that and some cheap bargain bin shit.
>>53800922
>Windows
Privacy
>Linux
More applications.
>>53800540
Fagbooks are the worst laptops on the market OP. Shills have tried time and time again to shill it on here but never come close.
>>53800934
i dont get it
>>53800866
>Only 8 gb of ram
At 1,100, you're still significantly cheaper than a $2000 MbP so if you really want that 16 gb of ram, just by the lowest set of ram to begin with and replace it post purchase because even an ape could probably be taught how to use a screw driver.
>loses out on storage speed
Mac loses out on software storage speed with HFS+ and again, you can install your own M.2 to equal MbP perf, and not get the SSD model to barely raise the price. As for the 3k screen, yeah, Retina is also virtually a 2.5k or 3k screen and it has shit battery life. 8 hrs at best. Considering you start with 24 to start with, I'm gonna bet it's better than 8.
>Weaker performance
I don't care if its 2 cores, it's an i7 skylake. For christs sake, go read anandtech for once. Sure gamers don't benefit from sandy bridge to skylake, probably even Kaby Lake, but very specific needs like video encoding/decoding or encryption speeds or specific calculation capabilities have improved tremendously over the years on smaller devices. You underestimate the 15W models.
You are really only paying for the logic board, keyboard, and screen when you buy a laptop. You can replace the ram, storage, cd drive, usb drives, all on your own for crazy cheap. And simply put, apple's devices are proprietary as fuck and incompatible with so much shit.
>>53800923
>go to /o/
>shit why buy expensive cars when a $1k shitbox gets the the job done
some peeps enjoy technology
>>53800922
Because I can easily switch between my DAC and internal speakers in just two clicks
>>53800138
/thread
>>53800969
A 13 inch base model rMBP with 8GB/128GB costs $1300. You can regularly find sales from Best Buy for under $1100, especially now that a new generation is coming out soon. Please don't pull prices out of your ass.
bad news apple cucks the 80's are over, macs are nowhere near anything resembling good anymore
>>53799919
lol. i can get up to 17 hours of battery life out of my thinkpad x1 hybrid. this shit is from 2012. tell me when modern laptops beat that.
There are three macfags in the desktop thread
Two are constantly complaining about OS X being shit and ricing the fuck out of it with hacky third party software in an attempt to make something half as functional as windows, not to make it look good like windows and linux ricers who already have functionality
The other one just writes ruby in vim+tmux and shitposts on 4chan with safari
That's all you need to know about OS X
>>53800998
>muh-muh sales, apel invented sale prices!!!
Fuck off shill. No one's falling for your meme brand shitbooks.
>>53801020
Fuck off shill. No one's falling for your meme brand chinkpads.
macs are like cars that rich people buy so that people know their rich
>can get better for the same price or less
>but its a lambergenie so people know i got money lol
>>53800998
>muh base model mbp
>don't pull prices out of your ass
I don't think you read my last sentence at all.
I said that if you honestly truly want a better deal, buy the Thinkpad base model because you get universal feature support going forward for atleast 3 years, compatible with industry standards that don't require memes like "Apple Certified" (or else OSX won't recognize it). Also, after finishing upgrading it, you will have, for the price of a base model mbp, the quality of the top end mbp.
>>53801041
*that poor people buy on credit so people think they're rich
>yah i got 8 mouths ta feed but they can eat ramen nigga, i got me a cadillac
>>53799919
> >So basically there are like 2 or 3 Windows laptops that approach the comparable Macbooks, all of which have some glaring flaws despite being around the same price.
> >Macbooks have an amazing battery life, track pad, display, and I can install Windows if I really want to.
Yep.
Thinkpads and other "business class" laptops are great if you want something for netbook prices and/or want to dick around. If you want to simply enjoy quality hardware and get shit done, Macbooks are the one and only way.
Anything that's not Apple or a business-class laptop is a complete and utter piece of shit engineered to a specific price point with glitzy, dumb bullshit designed to appeal to morons (e.g. the shitty "Altec Lansing" co-branded sound on the POS Toshiba Satellite I had).
>>53801041
Car analogies are terrible, especially yours since it implies Macs are objectively better in every measure compared to "normal" cars.
>>53801041
Ok. Tell me where you can find a laptop with a 200+ PPI screen and 10 hours of battery life for less than $1000.
>b-but muh retina is placebo!
>who needs battery life, I'm in the basement all day!
>I need more gigahertz for my games!
>>53800572
>Battery life (in the QHD version) is garbage compared to the rMPB 15
why the fuck would anyone get an XPS 15 without the double battery and 1080p display? jesus man
>>53801015
My Macbook Air gets nearly 30 hours on a charge. The new thinkpad, says it gets 24 hours on mid brightness and wifi on, so it could get a lot longer adjusting the settings. Both are modern.
>>53801045
>I said that if you honestly truly want a better deal, buy the Thinkpad
Some people don't want shitty screens, flexing keyboard, constant fan whirring or having to deal with using anything other than OS X.
>>53801066
1080p is not acceptable in 2016.
>>53801045
The base model with the screen upgrade is $200. Now add 8GB of RAM for $40, and a 128 SSD for $60 (buying yourself). You're already at $1100.
Here is a 8GB/128GB rMBP for $1150 at Best Buy available right now.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-latest-model-13-3-display-8gb-memory-128gb-flash-storage-silver/8532557.p?id=1219343246941&skuId=8532557
>>53801041
Find me a windows machine with great specs, a great screen, a light form factor, and stellar battery life for a lower price than 899, the cheapest Macbook. You can't do it, it's not possible.
>>53801092
A business laptop from 2012 or 2013. The cheapest Macbooks you're talking about literally use 2011 hardware.
>>53800788
Son, I...
>>53799919
Macs are so fucking overpriced it's disgusting. They literally shove pixels in their screen to make you pay more. I use to be a mac cuck until recently. In 2012 I bought 13 inch cuckbook pro with 4 gigs of ram, an i5 cpu, and a 500 gig HDD for 1600$... I know time has passed and technology has gotten better, but laptops with the same specs and not applel are around 400 fucking dollars. I'm looking at laptops now because my fucking logic board broke for the second time, and it's so amazing seeing laptops with i7s, 8 gigs ram, and 1tb hdds go for 800.
Tl;dr either op is baiting or is a literal cuck
>>53801051
Dell XPS 15 or Lenovo Yoga 2.>>53801057
>>muh retina placebo
It's a pixel density, for pete's sake. I could show you a non-apple certified and therefore non retina, same-res screen set with the same color profile, and you wouldn't know the difference.
>implies MBP has good battery life
>mocking clock speed
Unless I'm using a broadwell or better processor, but even then, preferably only skylake, i will not trust the quality of mobile processors at low clock speeds, to get work done.
>>53801057
High DPI and thinness (LIKE THINNESS FUCKING MATTERS) aren't worth soldered RAM and a glued in battery that costs hundreds to replace (instead of $50, or $20 and some time with a soldering gun and some 18650s)
Oh wait, you're an apple fag
You love to buy a new laptop every year to replace your woefully underpowered, fragile shit
>>53801106
Nuh uh, they may be the same size length and widthwise, but they're an eigth of an inch thicker and weigh a whole extra ounce! IMPOSSIBLE TO CARRY ANYWHERE! MAKE IT THINNER! XD
>>53801079
fuck you, on a laptop it is
anything else is just burning through battery life. not to mention that a 1080p laptop has more desktop real estate than a macbook pro retina which is just 1440x900 with sharper text
>>53801119
Hey, if you want work done, just don't buy a mac. Some people want a facebook machine. Stop being an autist and controlling other people's life choices. So what if someone doesn't want to be a workaholic and simulate star systems on their laptop? Browsing facebook *and actually having friends* is ok.
You fucking white male.
>>53801124
>16:9
>acceptable anywhere
>>53799919
You are better off not discussing this decision with /g/. They irrationally hate Apple and every single argument is either:
>Some charts and anecdotes from carefully cherrypicked sources
>Comparisons under worst case scenario conditions for the Macbook and best case scenarios for everything else
>Blowing pretty small things out of proportion ("The macbook is hugely overpriced" when it's really all about 100 USD, maybe, if you actually compare)
>Reducing the whole quality of a product to spec sheet stuff or irrelevant shit when it's comfortable ("Who needs high dpi displays, they are a waste of performance!" […] "The Dell XPS 15 has a QHD display which is much better than the macbook's!")
>Stuff like personal preference or experience is discarded ("No, it isn't")
It's frustrating and I don't even know why /g/ has that much interest in whatever other people are buying. Just buy whatever the hell looks nice to you, you will figure out that it doesn't really matter in the end anyway.
>>53801106
>didn't name a laptop
Well, I was right.
>>53801150
if you install linux like a normal person you get full screen real estate
macs have unremovable panels
I remember there was a point where /g/ was obsessed with 16:10 screens. What happened? You'd think the fact Macbooks are about the only laptops that still have them would be a big deal to them.
Apple is literally the only laptop creator not engaging in memes. 16:10. None of that "2 in 1" or 360 degrees! garbage. Just well-constructed laptops.
>>53801175
OS X applications have zombie toolbars that reappear after you hide them (violation of apple's official HIG), not unremovable panels.
>>53801122
>High DPI
>Not worth soldered RAM
Yes it is. How often do you change your fucking RAM before you get a new laptop? Have you ever used a high PPI screen?
The benefits of a high PPI screen far outweigh RAM slots for most people.
>a glued in battery that costs hundreds to replace (instead of $50, or $20 and some time with a soldering gun and some 18650s)
Get an expired credit card, a plastic syringe, and 99% ISO alcohol. It's not as hard as you make it sound. In fact it's probably easier than soldering for most people.
>You love to buy a new laptop every year to replace your woefully underpowered, fragile shit
You should look at the kinds of Macbooks people are using. The vast majority are pre-Retina, even today.
>Nuh uh, they may be the same size length and widthwise, but they're an eigth of an inch thicker and weigh a whole extra ounce! IMPOSSIBLE TO CARRY ANYWHERE! MAKE IT THINNER! XD
It's more to do with the fact they have shitty screens, noisy fans that run all the time and can't run OS X.
>>53801176
T400 has both 16:10 and Libreboot support
>>53801175
>if you install linux like a normal person
>like a normal person
>normal person
>install linux
o am laffin
>>53801017
>desktop threads
>>53801091
Yeah the lowest end retina mbp, that is going to have soldered ram and a bitch of a case to work with and upgrade. That 50$ difference suddenly became worth several $$'s of upgrades in the future.
>>53801150
So you admit it. A macbook is for uneducated faggots who aren't making the most efficient use of their money, and the thinkpad is for people who need every dollar to count, because it is a better deal.
You just admitted defeat. GO HOME.
>>53800439
>comparing laptops with shit screens to retina laptops
wew
>>53801176
>implying the ipad pro isn't desperately trying to be a 2in1
I almost miss jobby
>>53801176
see >>53801154
/g/ applies different rules to different things to make their point. 16:10 would be fucking great in any other laptop, but on an Apple product it's nonsense.
>>53801176
apple actually has a monopoly on 16:10 screens though. people cant make laptops with them because apple wont let anyone else do it
>>53801156
HP Elite Book
Lenovo ThinkPad
Dell Precision
There are probably others too, but those are the big three lines for used business laptops.
>>53801175
>if you install linux like a normal person you get full screen real estate
You can do that on OS X too you dunce.
>macs have unremovable panels
Like many "high end" laptops these days.
>>53800549
Holy shit thanks for the heads-up, I was pretty much on board to buy this laptop until I looked up your screencap. Just when I thought there was no major flaw...
>>53801199
>upgrading RAM
Just buy however much you need in the first place. RAM requirements don't fucking change. The 2017 edition of Photoshop isn't going to suddenly require twice the RAM as the 2016 edition.
>>53801176
And then you remember the air and retina designs exists, and that apple is the founder of the irrational thin meme
>it weights slightly less, so children and AIDS patients can carry it easier
>it's thinner so you can fit it in an envelope
>it's still the size of a laptop
>the world runs on soft cases that are made to accompany arbitrary thickness but can not expand in two dimensions
>people travel with such soft cases
>a laptop being slightly thinner makes little difference to these people
>but a laptop dying forever when one RAM module goes bad does
>and so does the massive price of a battery replacement when everyone else can get them for like $50 or rebuild shit themselves
>>53801124
>macbook pro retina which is just 1440x900 with sharper text
Is this what it's come to? Just spouting out lies?
>>53801191
>High PPI outweighs soldered ram.
Being able to purchase a laptop with, say, only 4gb of ram and install 16/32 on your own, is more worth than a high PPI rating.
>>53801219
it's more like no other manufacturer wants to pay for the more expensive displays or discard their normie attracting "full HD" stickers.
>>53801254
Maybe if you are trying to use your laptop as some kind of VM farm, which is fucking retarded. 8 or 16GB will be the max anyone will ever need to use on a laptop for the next 5+ years.
>>53800834
and they will be wrong as well
>>53801267
RAM DIES
WHEN RAM DIES YOUR COMPUTER DOES NOT BOOT
YOU CAN NOT REPLACE DEAD RAM IF IT IS SOLDERED IN
I HAVE SEEN THREE, LITERALLY, THREE LAPTOPS TRASHED BECAUSE OF THIS IN 2016 ALONE
DO YOU ALSO THINK HDDS ARE IMMORTAL YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER?
>>53801068
>30 hours
kek
>>53801229
The problem with laptops is that they are designed around unstandardized logic boards. Most people genuinely believe that the laptop and thus the board they are stuck with cannot be upgraded. That is not true.
So the point is, being able to upgrade ram a year from now because i used to browse facebook, but now i use photoshop, matters. And if you let companies like apple get away with saving/making money for themselves by soldering ram down, they will.
I don't think you understand that a laptop's purpose is to transport a PC's computing power.
Is your pc customized and features a variety of handpicked, upgraded hardware? If so, demand nothing less for the capabilities of your laptop.
>>53800834
tech companies are made up of normalfaggots, thanks for proving the point
>>53801250
>what is display scaling
you think that a 13" macbook pro has the same real estate that a 26" 2880x1800 monitor would?
it's literally 1440x900 multiplied by 2. you get that much screen real estate but with sharper image quality almost which the benefit of is almost entirely clearer text
>>53801291
RAM almost never dies you idiot. I still have 512MB sticks working from my server for the past 14 years.
>>53799919
they're nice.
-posted from my rMB
>>53801250
He's not lying. He's oversimplifying it, but out of the box, a 1920x1080 laptop will have more room for windows than a rMBP with a 2880x1800 screen.
>>53801254
A feature you'll literally utilize maybe once in the span of your laptop's life time is not going to be more useful than a high PPI screen.
Though there's not even much to argue about since Retina Macbooks all come standard with 16GB these days. That covers almost everyone's needs, even for people here on /g/.
>>53801092
Your $900 macshit is 1366x768 TN, literally worse than any other laptop you can buy for that price.
>>53800788
What?? Yeah they do bud...
>>53801331
$1500 chinkpads still come with 1366x768 shit. Try harder Wang Ping.
>>53801315
>Hard drives never die you idiot
>I still have a 1GB seagate from my desktop I built 20 years ago hurr durr
RAM dies
Batteries die (much faster)
Hard drives die
Solid state drives die
You generally want to replace all of those things because, out of everything else in your computer, they are the most prone to random failure
>>53801323
Marginally clearer text is so much more important than a long-lived laptop, yes. I'd rather be cool in desktop threads than not buy a new macbook every two or three years.
>inb4 that desktop thread autist insists that his autism is 99% less triggered now that his text is marginally clearer when he leans in to lick pictures of anime girls on his screen
>>53799919
good luck if you ever have any problems...
>>53801353
now THIS is outright lies
>>53801323
If I utilize it once, and it changes how I interact with the device, it's worth more han a prettier screen.
Seriously, isn't 1080p enough?? Hell, even 720p or 640/480p would be enough if I was truly poorfag, minimalist edition.
Your computer should define your life or your work. It's just a tool. If it only boots up into a few screens and apps but it gets the job done, who gives a flying fuck if it's pretty.You could say "I just made money with pos, so I'm keeping it"
>>53801367
shouldn't**
>>53801356
>Marginally clearer text is so much more important than a long-lived laptop, yes
objectively wrong
also objectively wrong is the preferring small screen real estate
having a web browser pinned to one side and a text editor pinned to another is more important than a retina display of a single item
that shits only useful for 12" laptops.
>>53801356
>Marginally clearer text
Everything on screen is clearer by a large amount.
>more important than a long-lived laptop
I can't remember the last time I had a stick of RAM die on me that wasn't already defective on arrival. If you wanted to complain about longevity you should have mentioned the battery instead.
>I'd rather be cool in desktop threads than not buy a new macbook every two or three years.
Why would you need to buy a new Macbook every two or three years?
>>inb4 that desktop thread autist insists that his autism is 99% less triggered now that his text is marginally clearer when he leans in to lick pictures of anime girls on his screen
Yes actually. High PPI is the best thing to happen to computers since SSDs.
>>53801441
SAVE US BASED SCATMAN
>>53801441
SAVE US BASED SCATMAN
>>53801363
Just call AppleCare
>>53801367
>Your computer should define your life or your work. It's just a tool. If it only boots up into a few screens and apps but it gets the job done, who gives a flying fuck if it's pretty.You could say "I just made money with pos, so I'm keeping it"
Some people just care how things look. I care how things look. I like good looking stuff. It makes me genuinely happy to use stuff that looks good. I don't even care what everyone else thinks about it, I literally do it for me only.
You are of course free to not care about it and run around with your ugly hardware, cargo pants and walmart t-shirt. I really don't care. I guess it must be cool to be able to just buy whatever and be alright with it.
>>53801367
>If I utilize it once, and it changes how I interact with the device, it's worth more han a prettier screen.
Changes how you interact with the device? What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying something as simple as a ThinkVantage button is enough for you to stay away from High PPI? Most reasonable people would take the higher quality screen over petty functionality that never gets used.
>Seriously, isn't 1080p enough??
Do you not understand the concept of high PPI displays?
>Hell, even 720p or 640/480p would be enough if I was truly poorfag, minimalist edition.
Why are you talking about poorfag laptops in the context of Macbooks?
You can argue poorfags like to buy overpriced Macbooks and get into debt all you want, but Macbooks aren't poorfag laptops by any metric.
>Your computer should define your life or your work. It's just a tool.
And some tools do their job better than others. What you're doing is assuming what you use is what's best, which is a pretty big assumption.
>It's just a tool. If it only boots up into a few screens and apps but it gets the job done
Something Windows can't do and Linux often has problems doing.
>who gives a flying fuck if it's pretty
Lots of people. Why would I want to use something shitty when I can use something that works just as well AND looks nice?
>You could say "I just made money with pos, so I'm keeping it"
Using that logic there's no reason to have upgraded from the computer you had in 2008. I mean a Core 2 Duo will still get the job done today. But I'm sure you've updated. Why?
>>53801391
You don't understand sarcasm
>>53801418
Miles, I don't know how to put this, but you're a pedophile diaper fetishist brony with aspergers. Any opinions you put forth regarding the importance of minor aesthetic details are invalid in the same way a colorblind man can not be trusted to select pleasing reds and greens.
>>53801470
Some people just care how things look. I care how things look. I like good looking stuff. It makes me genuinely happy to use stuff that looks good. I don't even care what everyone else thinks about it, I literally do it for me only.
You are of course free to not care about it and run around with your fagboi magnet hardware, shredded jeans and fuccboi goth makeup. I really don't care. I guess it must be cool to be able to just buy whatever and be alright with it.
It's absolutely hilarious how much teena/g/ers care about what software and hardware other people use. You guys not only have strong, undisputable opinions on basically everything in existence, but also completely disregard other people's preferences.
>>53801470
>Some people just care how things look.
Oh believe me I care how things look to. However, you should never sacrifice quality of the function.
>run around with your ugly hardware, cargo pants and walmart t-shirt
>ad hom
That's not the function of clothing retard. The function of clothing is to fit well, and look nice so that you look like a sociable, contributing member of society......which I am, so I dress like that. Khaki pants, nike sb's and a generic polo or button up with maybe a jacket is my average outfit. All fits well. Pretty ordinary-guy-in-the-street, if you ask me.
>>53801353
But most aren't TFT/TN; they're IPS. The MacBook retina displays and glass gives off exceptional glare outdoors; of course, most people don't really go outdoors with a full blown computer. Personally, I don't understand why the smartest and most economic choice isn't to buy a last-gen Elitebook, Chinkpad X/T/W series, or Precision for less than 400 on eBay. I've had zero problems with my X220 (180 with i5 2540M and docking bay) and my Precision 4700 (399, with K2000M and i7 3720QM). Their trackpads are pretty good, far superior to modern laptops although no Magic, they have excelling Linux and Windows support, 9hr+ battery life even though my older X220 has decayed to 80% of full capacity, good displays, highly competitive performance, biometric reader, open mSATA slot and SATA2 slot, expandable RAM, runs cool, solid durability and most of all, cheap. The only real problem IMO is the speaker
on the X220; the Precision seems to be fine.
>mac thread
>Devolves into
>EXCUSE ME BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE STANDARDS PLEB
>EXCUSE ME BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE WORK TO DO HIPSTER NEET
>>53801513
High PPI screens are "minor aesthetic details" now?
>>53800560
>can't handle the weight of a proper laptop
fucking pussy manlets
>>53801538
X220 also has tiny low resolutions screens and washed out IPS panels that are nowhere near 99% sRGB.
I don't know about the Precisions, but ThinkPads tend to have terrible screens.
>>53801553
Yes, they are if you aren't literally autistic.
You, my friend, are more autistic than that guy who shit up a whole thread comparing the font rendering in xterm and urxvt.
>>53801564
>can't handle the weight of a proper desktop with a triple screen setup
fucking pussy manlets
>>53801574
You have a high PPI phone. Why don't you load some text on both screens, make them the same size, and compare them from a normal viewing distance?
You'd genuinely have to have vision issues to not see a CLEAR difference. You'd have to be autistic to be against high PPI. It's better in every way if you have a good OS.
>>53801583
Most adult men can carry all of that with the use of both arms, although they might have to waddle a bit.
>>53801583
>implying I don't carry my full ATX tower + peripherals + generator wherever I go
>>53801583
Considering that the purpose of a laptop is to transport personal computing capabilities, that's not apples to apples. The PC can be as heavy as it wants, thus exceeding the strength (possibly) and size of human arms.
The laptop on the other hand should hopefully live up to the definition of transportable; it should fit in a backpack and not weigh beyond 20 lbs.
Beyond that, really you're not dedicated enough to your work if you aren't willing to "lug" (not at all) a 5 lb. laptop for beast pc replication.
>>53801617
I can see a difference, but it's not worth the worse hardware apple bundles with it. It's very minor, like metal versus plastic or glossy vs matte.
>>53799919
>Did this happen to anyone else?
No, because I looked beyond applel's website when doing research.
>>53801670
I've owned a high PPI display for 2 years and it still looks as sharp as the day I got it. The difference is extreme, not "minor".
>>53801682
GIANT TUMOR
>>53801683
You have autism. Your opinion is invalid.
>>53801706
Classic /g/
>>53801699
MUH FASHION
MUH TINY ARMS
HELP HELP I'M THE EMBODIMENT OF RAINBOW HOMOSEXUALITY I LITERALLY CAN NOT STOP SUCKING DICKS
-you
>>53801729
*tips 1366x768 TN*
>>53801706
High PPI is objectively superior to low PPI. Only a fool would argue against it. It's like the plebs who argued against SSDs because you could buy a 2TB hard drive for the same price.
>>53801699
How is it a giant tumor. I mean sure the macbook looks nicer, but that can't possibly justify several hundred dollars right? You could DIY cheaper, just as attractive option for the lenovo.And then it'll be custom done, and changeable.
>>53799919
MAC AND WINDOWS ARE NOT THE ONLY OPERATING SYSTEMS
MAC AND WINDOWS ARE NOT THE ONLY OPERATING SYSTEMS
MAC AND WINDOWS ARE NOT THE ONLY OPERATING SYSTEMS
MAC AND WINDOWS ARE NOT THE ONLY OPERATING SYSTEMS
MAC AND WINDOWS ARE NOT THE ONLY OPERATING SYSTEMS
MAC AND WINDOWS ARE NOT THE ONLY OPERATING SYSTEMS
>>53801757
There is literally a giant tumor battery sticking out the back.
>>53801754
Not necessarily.
First off, objectively nothing is better than anything else, it's all inanimate objects.
Second off, objectively, the screen will provide a noticeably clearer resolution, and perhaps more attractive, however at the cost of higher power draw from various resources. Therefore it's up to the user to decide the objectivity of that sacrifice and I think a lot of people will side with the much cheaper, longer lasting 1080p screen.
>>53801802
Go look up Louis Rossman's video on why that's actually a feature. It makes the laptop more portable, as it is a place to grip and secure it. Hold it upside down. Move it firmly.
Rossman described how for him it's nice that he can walk onto the subway and not worry about it getting yanked out of his han, because of gripping that "tumor".
For a lot of people this should truly be a great thing.
>>53801754
Some cars are much nicer looking than others, but it's not always worth the money, or the added costs for rare and expensive parts when you go to the mechanic.
> It's like the plebs who argued against SSDs because you could buy a 2TB hard drive for the same price.
No, it's nothing like that.
>>53801777
Trips of fuckin' truth.
>>53801835
when did you start thinking fucking 13 and 15 inch macbooks where made to be portable and not fashionable
they're for fitting into envelopes and moleskine-brand hard cases not actually being portable
>>53801835
>using a laptop while standing on a subway
>using a laptop while standing
Literally autism. Only 0.0001% of people will ever have a use case for this.
>>53801812
If the power draw concerns you, you can just go down to half/quarter resolution which is no problem (or any other resolution, really).
>>53801777
A. You have been witnessed
B. Other than the recently announced Dell XPS thing, do high end laptops come prepackaged with Unix-like OS's?
>>53799919
>maybe I should see what /g/ has to say about it
There's your problem
>>53799919
980m on a widows computer vs a macbook integrated graphics. hmm
>bought an HP laptop
>it lasted 6 months
>neat
>bought a macbook pro
>it's lasted 6 years
>still use it every day
Can someone explain why it's cool to hate apple? Is it just poorfags and children who have never actually used one?
>>53801860
>change resolution
>UI gets tinier
>pixels magically draw less power
>>53799919
do it, u won't regret it.
Welcome to the Mac community :)
>>53801868
XPS doesn't have a Linux option anymore because *SURPRISE* nobody was buying it even though it was cheaper than the Windows version.
>>53801886
some fags just can't comprehend getting more than the bare minimum
>>53801854
Have you ever picked up your laptop ever? Do you ever smudge the screen. Do you ever hold it angles in which you might drop it?
Not anymore.
>>53801892
Are you mentally retarded? The pixels do not draw significant energy, the backlight and computing does. Backlight stays the same, computation time goes down when lowering resolution (although it's really not as much as you like to think). The size of UI elements doesn't change when you do everything correctly. I'm talking about going from 2560x1600 to 1280x800 btw.
>>53801812
If you need lots of battery life then that's a reasonable tradeoff. I don't see how something like RAM slots could ever be a good trade off over high PPI however.
>>53801838
Your point being? Macs are literally advertised as being a luxury device, just like the cars you're describing.
>No, it's nothing like that.
Massive usability improvements with a high cost of entry, a bit of immature software support and with detractors who hate it for all the wrong reasons.
>>53801957
I demand that my laptop be held to the same standards as my pc, as that is the function of a laptop.
Would you buy a motherboard with soldered ram? No. So why make an excuse for apple?
Even old macbooks survived this attack, but the market has fallen so far away from the concept of repairability that Apple is now allowed to get away with soldering ram.
>>53802007
>Would you buy a motherboard with soldered ram?
If I got a good high PPI screen with it, absolutely.
>Even old macbooks survived this attack, but the market has fallen so far away from the concept of repairability that Apple is now allowed to get away with soldering ram.
Apple is hardly the only company doing this. Even the flavor of the year shit like The XPS 13" and Surface have soldered RAM, as do pretty much all "ultrabooks". It seems like the only worthwhile laptops that still have RAM slots are business laptops.
>>53801878
>980m on a widows computer vs a macbook integrated graphics. hmm
>Integrated Space heater included
have fun with that.
>>53800138
Also, don't even think about trying to be clever and putting Windows on it to help with battery efficiency if you have discrete + integrated GPUs. Apple kindly disables the integrated GPU when booting anything but OSX. In Windows it will use only the discrete GPU and burn through the battery quicker since it uses way more power than integrated. This is at least partially a trick to make OSX look like the more efficient system.
I think Linux is able to write the right thing to the right place to authenticate itself as OSX when booting in UEFI mode, and thus make use of both GPUs.
>>53802035
>If I got a good high PPI screen with it, absolutely.
I stand at odds with you on principle there. I cannot bring myself to break principle; I want a customizable logic board.
>Even the flavor of the year shit like The XPS 13" and Surface have soldered RAM, as do pretty much all "ultrabooks". It seems like the only worthwhile laptops that still have RAM slots are business laptops.
I have been posting in this thread for a while now, it should be at least semi obvious which posts are mine based off of the length of sentences and writing style....
I didn't suggest anyone use an ultrabook a single time, nor did I defend them. I provided a business class laptop as an example of something I think people should buy.
>Apple is hardly the only company doing this.
Sadly :(
>>53801315
RAM *does* fail. I've tossed bad RAM sticks from a couple of laptops. Also, having all removable RAM makes a better upgrade path. Or is your idea of an upgrade path throw laptop in garbage and buy a new one?
>>53802007
> as that is the function of a laptop.
No, no and no. This type of thinking is why Gaymer kids and other poor people care so much about specs but nobody else does. A desktop and a laptop are vastly different devices with vastly different use. Trying to merge them together ends up in oversized, ugly trash nobody buys.
Non standard RAM on a laptop allows: Slimmer design, better looking design and most importantly, a larger batter due the non standard RAM taking less space. Same with SSDs.
>Would you buy a motherboard with soldered ram?
Given the right price, why the fuck not? Principles are for inflexible idiots.
reminder: Do the opposite of what /g/ tells you.
>>53802046
my mac only has integrated (intel iris 6100) and yet i still get half the battery life when i bootcamp win 10
>>53801079
anything above 1080p on the xps is useless. Can't do anything productive that would require 4k given the screen size and can't do any gaymin given it has the power of a 750 ti.
>>53802331
Didn't Windows stepped their scaling game up?
>>53802364
It's still pretty bad.
>>53802364
>15''
>4k
>>53802364
not really. windows and it's programs look almost acceptable but most everything else you would run looks either pixelated, or have tiny ui
>>53802364
It's fucking terrible. You can't have a monitor with 100% scaling and another with 200% because everything gets fucked up and renders fuckhuge on the 200% monitor. Also, every new program in W10 wastes so much fucking space it's useless to scale to 200%. And they still have their shit font rendering that makes everything look like shit in 100%. Fuck Windows.
>>53802453
Windows is retarded when it comes to stuff like that. And the fucked up font rendering is giving me nightmares. Whenever I see it on screenshots here on /g/ it makes me want to puke. ClearType comes directly from hell and feels like some kind of reminder that Microsoft is still the tasteless company that it used to be when they made Win XP.
15 inch starts at 2k, though, which is a non starter for me. I think the XPS 15 is significantly cheaper.
The more competitively priced laptop is the 13 inch rMBP
>>53802453
how do they fuck up font rendering that much? considering how everyone seems to hate it, have they at least acknowledged it and say they're gonna do something to fix it?
>>53802543
Once you get a respectable screen and SSD, XPS is 2,129.99. Think it has more RAM but given the trackpad difference, it will be always inferior.
>>53802551
I don't know, I believe they think their font rendering is super smart because it fucking rapes every font by using extreme amounts of hinting and subpixel rendering. I think it's backwards, especially in times of high-dpi screens.
>>53802551
The bizarre thing is that almost any Linux distro does it better out of the box. Not being to keep up with Apple is one thing but not being able to keep up with Freetards is simply pathetic.
>>53802582
Didn't catch the extra XPS 15 configurations, good point
>>53799919
Whatever the newest T-series thinkpad is, check that out. If not, yeah sure get the mbp.
>>53799919
>Did this happen to anyone else?
No; I know better than to take /g/'s word for it on anything.
>>53799919
got a 13 2015 and a 15 2015 (from work) - both awesome, the 13 in particular, indubitably the best machine for developers, don't listen to /g/ and go for it
- a senior developer from a big enterprise (10k+ employees)
>>53800553
>not being basement dweller who only go outside 2times a year
>>53800138
>overheats when doing any task other than facebooking
facebook will literally make my macbook overheat
this is no joke
>>53800905
>Or the trackpad, which is probably the second best thing to a mouse?
It's better than a mouse for most things
>>53801124
what are you talking about?
>>53801122
>MBPr
>fragile
>>53801777
Mac is not an operating system, dummy
>>53801886
>bought an HP laptop
>it lasted 6 months
Fucking this. Other laptops rarely last me more than a year
>>53800565
>hey babe look im 400lb with only 45% body fat!
>look how heavy my laptop is!
>PLS NOTICE ME
thanks for recommending thinkpads to me /g/,
saved me the shame of being an idiot like OP
>>53799919
Basically the same thing.
Perhaps I'd look at a Dell XPS or a SP3 but really nothing's comparable.
I don't regret my decision. My "Facebook machine" I can do Windows / Linux development through VMs as well as OS X / iOS development, all through the one machine.
>>53803456
But now you're forever a virgin. Which is worse?
So many Apple shills on tonight trying to rationalize their shitty purchase decisions
>>53800138
I really wish people would stop spouting this shit all the damn time.
Subjective
HFS+ has more read and write sequences happening at any given moment, and rarely corrupts system files without drive ejection or batch file creaton and transfer.
Energy output to battery life doesn't matter, your electric bill wont fluctuate more than $5 at most. Also the battery isn't any heavier, it's just glued in.
Live in a place with airconditioning and heat isn't really an issue. The laptop gets uncomfortably warm, but never makes a computer unusable and forces a shut down. Say what you will about the throttling, but I have never once had any of my four MBPs lock up or shut off due to heat, and I batch render unbiased 3D graphics overnight for literally 8 hours at a time. Get enough airflow or a cooling deck and nothing will really affect it.
>>53799919
No because I have more than 2 brain cells to rub together, OP. Hope that helps.
>>53799919
>Apple
>Smart
Lamborghini mercy, OP looks so thirsty.
>>53802098
Every single macbook out there has value over time, even if it's technically an overinflated used market.
Cant use the thing because of a keyboard spill? Sell with an external keyboard for half the original cost. Have a shot logic board? Sell it for parts, the screen alone on a retina is worth $200-300 at repair shops. Have one with a user replaceable SSD (early 2013), buy an after,arket terabyte dice and sell it for maybe $100 off the original price.
Upgrades do come in a new purchase, but the damn things will never be thrown out in the garbage. It's a higher price entry, but the same net cost over time, just like casual Poker or Blackjack has higher buy ins but still nets the same cost to stay in.
>tfw I'm on an 2009 macbook right now
>tfw still have 5+ hours battery life
>tfw nothing has every gone wrong with it
>tfw no viruses in the last 7 years
>tfw it's still lightening fast
>tfw I will never buy anything other than mac
Believe what you want but I've learned form experience that Apple is quality.
>>53799919
>actually asking advice on /g/
>>53803677
In the last 5 years /g/ has had input on pretty much every major tech decision I've made, and many minor ones too. /g/ is a very helpful resource when you know how to wade through the trolling / bullshit and when you pair it with the archives.
>>53803704
>In the last 5 years /g/ has had input on pretty much every major tech decision I've made
You know this is objectively false, my boy. Don't fool me.
>/g/ is a very helpful resource
Ahahahahahahahahahahahah nice one, m8
>>53803704
I feel sorry for you. The hivemind opinions here are generally wrong and extremely biased.
>>53800310
its not the best thing , but it works
The conclusion I reached was buy an XPS or wait for new macs.
I've decided to wait. I'll reevaluate then.
all these mad thinkpadcucks in here justifying their not buying a macbook pro. your arguments are so poor, just accept that the mbp and its trackpad + screen at native res is an unbeatable experience for portable use.
>>53803751
this, i fell for the amd meme twice.
If only there's a reliable way to get the VAIO Canvas Z safely into muh region
>>53800310
>ubuntu
>>53803751
>>53803938
Not him but please
> /g/ is a very helpful resource when you know how to wade through the trolling / bullshit and when you pair it with the archives.
> when you know how to wade through the trolling / bullshit
> pair it with the archives.
Please at least learn to read
>>53803914
Their arguments aren't the only things that are poor about them.
>>53800310
anything other than this choice is heresy.
>>53800512
>linus
my god, go back to /v/ fag
>>53800138
>>53801071
If someone cares the least bit about keyboard quality, they won't buy any macbook.
>>53803533
Not sure if it's just due to age, but my 2013 i7 rMBP can't hold more than a few tabs open at a time without coming to a dead halt (maybe 8 tabs at most).
It was a great computer for about a year, but I'd purchased a new laptop while I was still paying off the macbook. Can't really say I'd suggest it unless they've improved significantly.
>>53804822
What else are they going to buy? Macbooks have probably the most solid laptop keyboard I've used other than classic ThinkPad keyboards.
Even my T520 flexed, not to mention the plastic on the space bar wore out after a few months of use.
>>53801092
>a great screen
>on the cheapest mac
Yeah, that 720p screen sure is something.
>>53800138
>>53800326
>>53800430
>>53800479
Good job at enforcing exactly the reactions OP stated in his post.
>>53800310
Ubuntu, really.
>>53804862
>the best
Please.
Asus has better keyboards. Even fucking Acer has better keyboards somehow. The era of good laptop keyboards is gone, macbooks are obscenely bad in this area. It's the big thing keeping me from buying one.
>>53800310
Xubuntu works great as well, and I'd suggest setting the Thinkvantage button to open a terminal
Literally the best decision I've ever made when it comes to computers.
>>53805095
How do you set the Thinkvantage button to launch something?
>>53805124
Gnome has a GUI in settings. Otherwise there are X configs for it if you want to do it the right way.
I have an X250, but I want something that has Thunderbolt type C, kinda leaning toward the Razer Blade Stealth or Dell XPS 13, needs to be small and good on battery, also needs to run Fedora perfectly
