Why do people hate it?
>>52693252
No Games. Now do not pretend all of us plays games here. Otherwise if you cannot afford a basic gaming rig you are just a poor third worlder
It's just overzealous /v/edditors who would be more than happy to enlarge their e-penises by installing Linux but game developers support for it is poor, so they need to rationalize their choices by flaming it.
The rest of the people either don't know it exist or are aware of it's use cases.
>>52693809
Lol how is not having no antivirus treating you?
>>52693822
I use clamav.
>>52693775
>What is Steam?
>What is GOG.com?
>>52693252
It's hard as fuck for tech-illiterates to use.
For me, its the community. While I support free software I'm not against good closed source software either. All the stalmanists and free tards make the community around it toxic as fuck.
>>52693822
Who uses anti virus?
>>52693849
support is still poor
>>52693822
i've never gotten a virus on windows over 4+ years despite not using av at all. why would i need one for linux?
>>52693849
Shut up freetard. Good luck playing decent games in shitnux
>>52693869
Any one with a little knowledge about viruses
>>52693869
>For me, its the community. While I support free software I'm not against good closed source software either. All the stalmanists and free tards make the community around it toxic as fuck.
I've used linux for a couple of years and been a part of several linux communities and this whole mentality was basically unknown to me before I came to /g/
>>52693888
>playing decent games
because that's soooo incredibly important and productive. are you under 18? have you really not got a proper hobby yet?
>>52693252
The don't understand the importance of freedom, or they're gaymer babbies or normies who can't be bothered to care about it. The only thing they need is "muh just werks" and "muh gaymes" and linux doesn't always have both of those so hate on it.
Which is so fucking hypocritical. Like the whole LinusKekTips crowd and leddit PCMR crowd. "Look at us, we're free from locked down systems like consoles, we have power and choice over our system". And then they proceed to install and promote an OS that's completely antithetical to that ideology.
The only big PC gaming channel on YoutTube that supports Linux is TekSyndaicate, but they really dropped the ball so far on the Linux channel they made. They have chance to really help Linux adoption, and they've been sitting on their asses. Hopefully this year they push it more.
>>52693775
is this 2013?
>>52693888
>Any one with a little knowledge about viruses
Read: anyone retarded enough to have gotten several viruses before
>>52693882
>support is still poor
What, you need help to play video games?
>>52693922
No, but Steam and GoG support is still poor. Is your reading comprehension genuinely that bad?
>>52693849
>1800+ games
>poor
>Linpeodophiles will defend this
>>52693869
>closed source software
>good
Oxymoron.
>>52693936
Again, do you actually need help to play video games?
>>52693949
Forgot the picture
>>52693957
Please explain how GoG and Steam offer excellent and comprehensive support for mainstream video games or just be quiet.
>>52693964
LOOL
>>52693252
It has to do with the fact that 4chan is underage now, people threat windows and linux like if it was something to represent your personality. It's a fucking tool to an end.
>>52693964
At least we have the highest IQ's
>>52693964
R E K T
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>>52693964
You underlined the wrong part
>The results of the testing showed that the group with the highest mean IQ by some margin was the Linux test group.
It's obvious that fertile young females are the intelligent man's fetish
>>52693964
>Windows/Mac users will defend having a 101-3 IQ
>>52693971
You buy a game, you download, you play. Works on my machine.
>>52693252
>>52693888
>Any one with a little knowledge about viruses
Windows with UAC set to high and common sense is all you need.
With Linux know what you're giving root access.
>>52693895
The only community that seems to be decent are the IRC channels. /g/, Reddit and Github are usually pretty shit.
>>52693954
So there's no good closed source software? What about Sublime Text, Search Everything and proprietary drivers?
>>52693252
Not enough good antivirus programs are available for it, and I mean GOOD ones with heuristics and shit
>>52693869
>the community around it toxic as fuck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Sometimes i think windows fanboys are the new sjw, they don't have any actual argument against linux or their users so the only thing they can do is trying to discredit them.
>>52693964
Posts article that calls windows/mac users retards. WHat a winner.
>>52694006
what happened there
>>52693252
Ignorance, pure and simple.
>>52693964
never change /g/
Enjoy your systemd faggots
How is your NSA backdoored seinux going
>>52693252
Because it's a broken mess of a clone of a operating system form the 70's with a smug cultish user base.
>>52694052
Linshills on suicide watch
>>52694080
>with a smug cultish user base
inferiority complex detected
I don't hate ubuntu, but it runs like shit on my laptop, even did a re-install. But it runs like a champ on my sisters laptop when I installed it on her laptop.
>>52693252
Because it's free.
>>52693946
>bunch of shovelware shit
>rich library of games
Yeah right...
>>52693775
>all of us plays games here
How about fucking back to >>>/v/ literal fucking /v/ spill manchild?
>>52694088
>inferiority complex detected
Keep telling yourself that.
>>52694080
Find me a better OS
>>52693252
They don't understand the use case
it's an OS for software developers
everything that could possibly go wrong with it is fixable if you know what you're doing
whereas on windows only like 5% of what could go wrong is fixable but you can fix it by fucking around in control panel without knowing what's wrong or why
>>52694163
Chr0m3boOk.
No games.
Need to use CLI when you don't like to program.
No drivers or broken drivers for a lot of shit.
No good free alternatives to programs that aren't on Linux.
If all you do is watch anime, browse the internet, and program then it's perfect.
>>52693964
Jesus fuck these statistical fallacies
here's what they meant to say
>more men use linux
>>52694143
/v/ is friendly, constructive and certainly push anime in every context. Fuck you nerdshit
>>52694119
>trying this hard to dismish the good games that are available.
Ok so i think i'll keep playing my shovelware games like:
-Skullgirls
-Civilization V and BE
-Serious sam 3
-Dust: an elysian tail
-Xcom
-Dirt showdown
-The witcher 2
-Bioshock infinity
-Trine (1-3)
-FEZ, nihilumbra, limbo
-Star wars KOTOR 2
-Don't starve
-Grid autosports
-Armello
-Pier solar
-The binding of isaac
-shovel knight
-Pilar of eternity
-Wasteland 2
-Tropico 5
-The talos principle
-The total war series
-Metro redux and last light
-Age of wirnders
-Saints row series
-victor vran
-Worms
-cities skylines
-Europa universalis IV
-Freedom planet
-All valve's games
-Prison architec
-Hand of fate
-Hot line miami series
-Alien isolation
-Company of heroes
-The long dark
-Dying light (i don't know if it performs well now though)
-Grow home
-Shadowrun series
-Divinity: OS
-Freezeme
-Borderlands series
-Grim fandango
-Ittle dew and card city nights
-Planetary annihilation
-Sanctum 2
-Shadow warrior
-The deponia series
-Farenheit the indigo prophecy
-Besiege
>>52694163
>Find me a better OS
MEaningless question. You have to define what better means.
For normies Windows and OSX are accettable.
You autists can use Arch until it borks itself.
>>52694210
doesn't
>>52693252
More often than not when I use Linux software I feel like I'm trying to decipher someones half-assed attempt at making something usable combined with some other guys attempt which resembles the aftermath of eating in a dodgy Chinese restaurant.
>>52694211
>no RoN
>no battlefront 2
>no FNV
Pretty good but could be better 9.5/10
>>52694223
That wasn't a question, that was a request.
Your reply "You autists can use Arch until it borks itself." indicates your extent of knowledge and I don't want to engage in arguments who knows this little
Buy
>>52694257
>Lincucks users doesn't know "bye"
lmao
>>52693252
Coz its gay, shit, and doest work
INB4 FAGGIT COMPILE STUUF TO MAKE SYSTEMZ WERK EDIT THE FUCKING APACHE2.CONF
>>52694151
>I assume that every linux user is making fun of me
>i-i'm not imagining things, it's perfectly logical: using linux creates smug people, can't you see the obvious connection people?
>>52694223
To be fair, Arch doesn't bork itself, the users bork it without knowing
>>52694279
>editing a text file is hard, i want to click buttons
this website is 18+
>>52694295
>le underage maymay
>>52693822
>not having no antivirus
>having no antivirus = no AV
>NOT having no AV = AV
You won't hear me not complaining.
>>52694257
>That wasn't a question, that was a request.
Can you read?
I asked "better for what".
Gaming?
Programming?
Scientific analysis?
Jesus it's not that complicated.
>>52694295
Well then gtfo
Wat ya waitin for faglet
>>52694251
Well at least now it's pretty clear that both statements "linux has no games" and "There's no good games" are false, things are getting better in general too.
>>52693252
Why do people hate it?
>>52693775
>Now do not pretend all of us plays games here
>>52693822
>How is not having no antivirus treating you?
>>52693888
>>52693949
>>52693979
>>52693993
>>52694006
>>52694052
>>52694087
>>52694199
>>52694210
>>52694223
>>52694257
>>52694278
>>52694325
Hoy shit all these underage posts ITT. Literally all of schoolkids are attracted in this particular thread.
>>52694345
too many animeposters.
>>52694331
that's not the correct way to string words together to form a sentence
>>52694289
>To be fair, Arch doesn't bork itself, the users bork it without knowing
Technically true, but what I intended to say is that it's very easy to make fatal errors in those kind of systems.
>>52694345
>/g/ - Technology
>>52694350
My guess is that you selected anyone who said "games" or "free software is usually bad" and decided they were underage.
You're pretty dumb.
>>52694363
rip /g/
2008-2015
>>52694211
>no bethshit software
kill me, literally the only things I enjoy playing anymore because modding them is fun as fuck
>>52694352
K underage newfag
You seem to forget that you're on 4chan
Now gtfo
>>52694373
Did you read the posts, /v/ bro?
>>52694360
>it's very easy to make fatal errors in those kind of systems
ok, explain how
>>52694052
i use slackware, so.......
>>52693252
The shills on /g/ are obnoxious and hypocritical as shit, grandmas who only use their computers as media terminals and self-proclaimed use case pros especially are the fucking worst.
Doesn't stop me from running it though, but I still like using my Solaris hardware more.
>>52694394
>LE /v/ maymé
If you want an all programming and Linux board then go to 8ch or Reddit.
/g/ has literally never been only Linux and programming. Ever.
>>52694391
>no u
excellent tactic
![220px-Pac_Man.svg[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/JVlntmO.png "220px-Pac_Man.svg[1].png")
>>52694398
>>52694425
..so youre a faggot
>>52694390
>no bethshit software
I'll no go the fox and grapes way and say that bethesda games are bad, in fact what we want is more games on the platform and that's why we're pushing for it, you can bet on that.
>>52694428
it has always been 18+, though
>>52694398
Not him, but installing packages without updating your sources.
Arch in particular is susceptible to this as you can end up with software that requires other software to be of a certain version but pulls an older version that's incompatible if you haven't done "pacman -Syy" first. This happens especially with kernel versions and video card drivers.
>>52694428
It certainly was never for consumer whoring/drake posting/ Microshilling
>>52694432
Thanks
Worked hard on it
>>52694445
>all game players are underage
Eric meme.
>>52694435
Pacman is a great package manager, on top of that you said
>it's very easy to make fatal errors in those kind of systems
Assuming that is easy for the user to make a mistake, at the end you didn't explained anything.
>>52694467
They are manchilds. There is no further arguments on this
>>52694452
>never for consumer whoring
We have had battlestation, graphics cards, Microsoft vs Linux, and build a PC threads forever. Phone threads since Android and iPhone released.
Drake shit is because we have too many normies from twitter.
>>52694467
>Look mom I play all this gore games with nudity and violance
>Deep story
>Tragedy
>I-I-I'm now over 18 right?
>>52694443
Games in general are a shitty kludge, do I don't mind. The modding has always been the most redeeming quality of Bethesda games, it's easy to get in to and fun to create your own content.
>>52694448
I'm using arch right now and i always just use pacman -Syu without hassle, also that can be fixed by, you know, updating
Windows for gaming
Macbook for a status symbol
GNU+Linux for those who have finished high school
>>52694438
Why would one be sexually alternative if they use slackware?
>>52694011
>antivirus
>good
Pick one
No really, there's no such thing.
>>52694471
Fine fine fine.
Ganooooooo/Linux (so that you can't retort Linux is just the kernel you faggot), is a very stable system that doesn't require babysitting at all.
The fact that it works *for you* must be indicative that the system is perfectly usable as any commercial OS that has teams devoted to make sure it works (nearly) flawlessly on most hardware while retaining binary compatibility with old software.
>>52694533
Just call it Linux, GNU+Linux is a stupid name.
>>52694580
>Winbabbies' last resort
>>52694581
I'll just call it GNU then
>>52694533
>>52694581
Fucking newfags. It's GNU/Linux.
>>52694507
I installed arch once. Fastest boot up ive ever seen other than plan 9. But system d hates my laptop and any systemd os will not shutdown without powering off. I sent a bug report 6 months ago and guess what? Fuck systemd.
>>52694602
>implying stallman hasn't recently taken to calling it GNU+Linux
>>52694598
>Winbabbies' last resort
1%
>>52694580
>Ganooooooo
Gee En Yu
>explaining phonetics to 103 IQ windows babbies
>>52694629
Classic winbabby
>>52694630
Winbloaters are totally designated these days.
>>52694630
It's one syllable. GNU. LIke "grew" but with an N instead of R
>>52694363
/g/ - What winbabbies think of technology
>>52694648
>Classic winbabby
Mhhh Stallman feet taste delicious.
This must be the taste of freedom.
>>52694580
Chill man, i don't remember to have insulted you. So there's no reasoning behind your conclusion and the only thing you can say is "no, i don't agree"?
>>52694661
To be fair it can be both...
Gnu the animal,
G.N.U acronym gnu is not unix.
>>52694665
>>52694580
>>52694598
>>52694629
Can winbabbies even keep on with one single line of argument?
Oh, 103 IQ level
>>52694605
sorry to hear that
>>52694279
>EDIT THE FUCKING APACHE2.CONF
>running a web server without knowing what the fuck you're doing
lol tard
>>52693908
>the importance of freedom
Daily reminder that if any data that you have sent over the internet was routed or processed by non-free software/hardware, everything you have done to use software/hardware that respects your freedom, its all a waste because you just became a enabler.
Have a nice day, freetards.
>>52694629
People keeps all the time to be unique but somehow now being 1 in 100 is a bad thing?
>>52694685
It could be, but the person who came up with it insists it's one syllable
>>52694373
That's because people who say that kind of stupid shit are usually underage.
>>52693964
And so do all of the geniuses, inventors, and important historical figures.
Sociopathy, predisposed to sexual deviancy, unusual social behaviors, etc. etc.
Basically you're saying: "You should be a normal peasant sheeple like us Winfags and Macfags".
>>52694737
Weve done everything on our end and what happens elsewhere is out of our hands.
Have a nice day faggot.
>>52694737
what are you on about?
>2015+1
>Not liking literal keyloggers is now called paranoia
Fucking Microsoft does good job corroding brains I see
Bloated..
GNU coreutils ?
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/true.c
the application is only supposed to return exit value of 0.
>>52694737
>its all a waste because you just became a enabler
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
I have actual choose on what information share on the internet, i can browse websites giving my ip or through a proxy and sharing my status on social media while keeping private information i don't want to share with anyone. This is why reasonable limits exists and sorry if you can't distinguish them anymore.
>>52693869
you realize the toxicity is mostly just /g/ and moreover like a quarter of all /g/ posts are the same 100 people
>>52694802
If you knew how to read, you'd see that it supports a help option and possible translations based on the locale, and is compilable to both "true" and "false" system commands.
>>52694671
>>52694687
Maybe I confused you with someone else, but it's difficult differentiating among Linux users, because you all sound exactly the same.
You, and other people like you don't understand.
Every fucking time I say to someone: "Maybe Linux it's not the most advanced OS in the world, It won because "Worse is better and all of that" and "free", I get called a fucking 103 i.q. winbabby.
Linux/Unix is a scourge that has taken the whole CS world.
It has literally stalled hardware design since the 1970's (modern CPU are basically C machines).
We have insecure software because the "Worse is better" mentality won.
We think that borking systems by running an update is normal.
>AHAHAHAHAH 103 iq Winbabby
We had arguably more modern operating systems in the 70s/80s that lost because they ran on expensive hardware, and "C machines" got faster and cheaper (economies of scale and all of that).
All we have now is a 1970's OS with a GUI.
And Windows is the same BTW, it's just a lot more polished.
>>52694859
>103 IQ
Not him but you do realise the one who started this meme in >>52693964 is himself most presumably a windows user, don't you?
>>52694859
>We have insecure software because the "Worse is better" mentality won.
Worse is better refers to creating simpler software with less features. Simplicity is the friend of security. The more features you add, the more potential security holes you have.
>>52694773
>elsewhere is out of our hands.
>Have a nice day faggot.
No it isn't, don't use the internet. Its pretty easy if you REALLY cared, obviously you people don't so i guess you're just armchair freetards.
>>52694932
>Worse is better refers to creating simpler software with less features.
That's one interpretation.
In reality meant Unix did 99% of things right, but the remaining 1% resulted in a catastrophic disaster. Example: Morris Worm
>Simplicity is the friend of security. The more features you add, the more potential security holes you have.
Not if you implement your software with an insecure language like C.
>>52694784
This to be honest
>>52694778
>what are you on about?
Using anything that dose not respect your freedom, even indirectly, any effort that you have put forth in a attempt use things that DO respect or freedom mean nothing now.
>>52694859
Damn there's so much vitrol in your comment that i it becomes very hard for me to take you seriously. I'll try to rescue your actual arguments among all the ad hominems you're issuing (on top of playing to be the victim later, no doubt why everyone treats you like that), so here we go:
>all sound exactly the same.
I see no point on saying this except that you that you're angry that a lot of people don't agree with you
>You, and other people like you don't understand.
I asked you for a reasoning and you was as vague as you could, how you expect for someone to understand?
>I get called a fucking 103 i.q. winbabby.
The only thing i can perceive is that you get angry when someone disagrees with you and you don't help by being passive-agressive.
>Linux/Unix is a scourge that has taken the whole CS world.
that's your opinion and you don't even try to back it up
It has literally stalled hardware design since the 1970's (modern CPU are basically C machines).
explain how
>We have insecure software because the "Worse is better" mentality won.
you're claiming a lot of things but you don't explain anything, who said that "worse is better" in the fist place btw? i only can see a lot of intolerance to other's opinions
>We think that borking systems by running an update is normal.
You're generalizing a lot, but don't give details.
>All we have now is a 1970's OS with a GUI.
explain your reasoning, what makes an os an "70's os"?
>And Windows is the same BTW, it's just a lot more polished.
Again, compared to what and in what areas?
I feel sorry for you if you actually think like this, you see all this as a simple tribal war while hardly analyzing the actual pros and cons of each system and showing a lot of intolerance to other's people tastes
>>52695105
>Damn there's so much vitrol
You bet.
>I see no point on saying this except that you that you're angry that a lot of people don't agree with you
So Linux people don't sound like elitist jerks to you. Because that fits every Linux advocate on the internet.
>>Linux/Unix is a scourge that has taken the whole CS world.
>that's your opinion and you don't even try to back it up
>It has literally stalled hardware design since the 1970's (modern CPU are basically C machines).
>explain how
Bounds checking in hardware for example, because everithing is based on C and C doesn't have bounds checking. [Buffer overflow intensifies]
For a generale view at the question look what people like Alan Kay (a winbabby probably) have to say on the matter.
>you're claiming a lot of things but you don't explain anything, who said that "worse is better" in the fist place btw? i only can see a lot of intolerance to other's opinions
https://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html
>>We think that borking systems by running an update is normal.
>You're generalizing a lot, but don't give details.
there: https://www.google.it/search?q=linux+borked&oq=linux+borked&aqs=chrome..69i57.2706j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
>>All we have now is a 1970's OS with a GUI.
>explain your reasoning, what makes an os an "70's os"?
An OS that is a clone of a 70's OS?
>>And Windows is the same BTW, it's just a lot more polished.
>Again, compared to what and in what areas?
NT at least tried to be a microkernel design.
>I feel sorry for you if you actually think like this, you see all this as a simple tribal war while hardly analyzing the actual pros and cons of each system and showing a lot of intolerance to other's people tastes
Well I'm sorry to break it to you, but the Unix/Linux club is the most tribalistic one.
Windows users are generally just normies interested in getting shit done.
>>52695287
>just normies interested in getting shit done.
Not him but you are implying they are not interested in technologies then?
>>52695360
>Not him but you are implying they are not interested in technologies then?
Windows users range from average Joes to CEOs.
They may be interested in technology, but generally don't care about recompiling kernels.
Linux users on the other hand seem much more technically focused, I don't think this is such a revelation.
>>52695287
>You bet.
>So Linux people don't sound like elitist jerks to you. Because that fits every Linux advocate on the internet.
hehehe, you're not even trying to hide it anymore, stay mad, you're the only one affectes at the end
>because everithing is based on C
There's a lot of important software wrote on c like the linux kernel itself and it's true that there are better languages now without that kind of problems, however you manage to equate potential buffer overflows with the following description:
>scourge
>literally stalled hardware design since the 1970's
Man, sorry if this makes you angry but linux has worked fine for me and for a lot of people i know both in real life and the internet and if any has worked better for me than windows. I just can't find the quality any worse than windows and thanks to it's constant development rhythm any major security problem has been fixed in a week or less. I know it's just my experience but i cannot just equate potential human error to being a terrible thing and more of there's a lot of eyes working on that code in a lot of cases.
>look what people like Alan Kay (a winbabby probably) have to say on the matter.
Please don't put words in my mouth, would you mind providing a link just to be sure that it's the correct one?.
>https://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html
ok, i'll read it, wait a bit
>there:
there: https://www.google.com.mx/search?q=linux+is+great&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=TzasVsPnC4OWmwHj_Z2ADg
>An OS that is a clone of a 70's OS?
so your point is...
>NT at least tried to be a microkernel design.
ok, now tell me about how NT is better and why a microkernel is necessarily better if the linux kernel is modular even being monolithic
>Well I'm sorry to break it to you, but the Unix/Linux club is the most tribalistic one.
if you say so
>Windows users are generally just normies interested in getting shit done.
nah, you're just trying hard to discredit people you don't like.
>>52693252
because they are tsundere
>>52695287
>>52695621
Ok i read the link, you initially claimed:
>We have insecure software because the "Worse is better" mentality won.
However i don't see everyone following this philosophy or anyone enforcing it to everyone, in fact, one of the advantages of the open source is that promotes competition and diversity, i'm certain that different developers thinks in a very different way and independently if you follow the WIB or the MIT way of doing things all programs has development cycles and must mature, writting perfect code is impossible, that's why the important thing is how the development is managed.
In short, i not only don't see that this philosophy has "won" in the open source but in fact different developers and communities has very different ideas on how to develop their software.
>>52693252
they're consumerists and have no reason to use it because it can't be a good media consumption device
>>52695621
>hehehe, you're not even trying to hide it anymore, stay mad, you're the only one affectes at the end
There is such thing as a righteos anger
>>because everithing is based on C
>There's a lot of important software wrote on c like the linux kernel itself and it's true that there are better languages now without that kind of problems, however you manage to equate potential buffer overflows with the following description:
>>scourge
People have literally died because of buffer overflows:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
>>literally stalled hardware design since the 1970's
>Man, sorry if this makes you angry but linux has worked fine for me
Oh God, not again
>>look what people like Alan Kay (a winbabby probably) have to say on the matter.
>Please don't put words in my mouth, would you mind providing a link just to be sure that it's the correct one?.
There are lot of videos on youtube. A lot. Most of them worth watching.
But to paraphrase him "learning how to use Unix != learning how computer works".
This is a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Rd_qMigLg.
>>https://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html
>ok, i'll read it, wait a bit
>>there:
>there: https://www.google.com.mx/search?q=linux+is+great&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=TzasVsPnC4OWmwHj_Z2ADg
Such retort
>>An OS that is a clone of a 70's OS?
>so your point is...
That you can't read
>>NT at least tried to be a microkernel design.
>ok, now tell me about how NT is better and why a microkernel is necessarily better if the linux kernel is modular even being monolithic
>>Well I'm sorry to break it to you, but the Unix/Linux club is the most tribalistic one.
>if you say so
>>Windows users are generally just normies interested in getting shit done.
>nah, you're just trying hard to discredit people you don't like.
Yeah *I* don't like.
>>52695897
>righteos anger
ok, so continue being righteously angered
>People have literally died because of buffer overflows:
And how this example helps to prove you previous statements?
>Oh God, not again
It's my version of the story same as you, sorry.
>There are lot of videos on youtube
ok, i'll look at them
>Such retort
so yours was better?
>That you can't read
ok, so you'll evade the topic, fine for me
>Yeah *I* don't like.
ok, you're free to think whatever suits you
>>52695974
>>righteos anger
>ok, so continue being righteously angered
I will
>>People have literally died because of buffer overflows:
>And how this example helps to prove you previous statements?
Unix is written in C
C is insecure
Intel/AMD/everybody else makes "C machines"
useful HLL fetures don't get implemented
buffer overflows happen
people die
computers get hacked
Is that clear now?
>>Oh God, not again
>It's my version of the story same as you, sorry.
You do realize that you sound like a carbon copy of every Linux user I knew a decade ago.
The same arguments. Always the same.
WorksForMe tm!
>>There are lot of videos on youtube
>ok, i'll look at them
>>Such retort
>so yours was better?
It was
>>That you can't read
>ok, so you'll evade the topic, fine for me
Becuase you can't argue
>>Yeah *I* don't like.
>ok, you're free to think whatever suits you
Linux people are not generally lovely fellows.
>>52695897
There's like a dozen things I want to say to your right-o's anger ass, but you being incapable of reasoning logically makes all of them not worth writing and backing with evidence to completely dispel your entire world view.
Basically, people who are intelligent enough to both dislike the status quo and also work to change it invariably choose a unix-like because the abstracted interface is logically sound.
There is no such thing as a "secure" language, otherwise the halting problem wouldn't be a problem. Hardware cannot solve this either, unless you remove the "arbitrary computation" part of it rendering it useless.
You resorting to generalizations as your argument basis just shows your entire logical reasoning is a Scotsman fallacy. Intelligent people learn first and decide (this is fundamental) second. Please practice becoming intelligent so that people might enjoy talking to you.
>>52696170
>There's like a dozen things I want to say to your right-o's anger ass, but you being incapable of reasoning logically makes all of them not worth writing and backing with evidence to completely dispel your entire world view.
Now come the big one.
>Basically, people who are intelligent enough to both dislike the status quo and also work to change it invariably choose a unix-like because the abstracted interface is logically sound.
What are Lisp Machines? The Xerox Alto Smalltalk system of the 1970's?
Believe me there are smart people outside the Unix system. These people pioneered AI and personal computing. Unix did not.
>There is no such thing as a "secure" language,
But there are safer languages and architectures.
>otherwise the halting problem wouldn't be a problem. Hardware cannot solve this either, unless you remove the "arbitrary computation" part of it rendering it useless.
>You resorting to generalizations as your argument basis just shows your entire logical reasoning is a Scotsman fallacy. Intelligent people learn first and decide (this is fundamental) second. Please practice becoming intelligent so that people might enjoy talking to you.
Yeah of course, intelligent person.
>>52696072
>I will
>It was
>Linux people are not generally lovely fellows.
Sorry if this is comical for me.
>Is that clear now?
good, this is what i was asking for, a reasoning to be able to reply you properly.
>Unix is written in C
Linux is not based on the code of unix, it was created precisely to be an alternative.
>C is insecure
>useful HLL fetures don't get implemented
I concur to certain extend, it's more easy to make a mistake on C managing the memory than other languages.
>Intel/AMD/everybody else makes "C machines"
why you say this?
>buffer overflows happen
ok, buffer overflow in linux or something like that i guess...
>people die
>computers get hacked
And ta-dan this proves that linux is bad because kills people and can get hacked...
...
...
...
Seriously, would you care to actually make sense? not saying that people dying or computers being hacked is a good thing but still...
>You do realize that you sound like a carbon copy of every Linux user I knew a decade ago.
Sorry i'll not fall for your ad hominems, you issued an statement and it didn't convinced me:
linux and the open source is not an scourge and haven't stalled the hardware design, being written in C had not ruined my user experience, and being open allows it to fix mistakes quickly because a lot of interested parties can collaborate. I don't care if i sound like the linux users from a decade ago, how can i know that you was not as wrong back then as you're right now?
>Becuase you can't argue
So your original statement didn't had purpose by itself?
>All we have now is a 1970's OS with a GUI.
By your logic anything based on an os from 1970 in any way will continue being and 1970's os today even having been decades on development?
>>52696263
>what are ...
Not economically viable for more reasons that just "expensive hardware". Smart people migrated to economically viable platforms as brought their toys with them.
And no, there are not safer languages and architectures. Nothing can protect a program that reads arbitrary input from malicious input except restricting the arbitrary part programmatically.
Computer science has some well known problems that render everything rust is trying to accomplish impossible.
Although I do agree that static array bounds should be trivially discoverable, unlike C's decaying array pointers.
Otherwise, either stop emulating Uriel or emulate him all the way.
>>52693775
>Video Games
Is that really all you can think of to do with a computer?
>>52696369
>>52696381
It's like I'm tying to speak to a deaf person.
Ok, right Unix and its little brother Linux are the best OSes there are, an intelligent people use them.
BTW Who is this Uriel guy?
>>52696433
>Best
That's probably plan9 or that formally verified OS. Linux just happens to be economically viable and easy to port to most Harvard architectures for the price of a programmer.
>>52696433
hehehe it was funny
>>52696483
>That's probably plan9 or that formally verified OS.
You mean sel4?
BTW, there is *NO* best OS.
You must establish some parameters.
Security? Easy of use? Portability? Etc.
>>52696522
In terms of technical merit and logically sound and scalable abstractions that make expanding the original capabilities easier. Plan9 definitely takes the cake on that one of the OSs I know of.
