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>Here’s Why Trump Is Right About ‘Shutting Down’ Parts Of The Internet
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/15/heres-why-trump-is-right-about-shutting-down-parts-of-the-internet/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWdjsfsS_Do
I smell bullshit, obviously internet censorship is very serious so I'd like to be informed.
>>51905915
Yes.
>>51905915
No, it's spot on.
Yes.
Yes it's bullshit.
1. It's on Breitbart who lie daily
2. It's written by Weev a.ka. Neo Nazi troll
3. It's devoid of facts.
No.
It's not bullshit, but I'm sure the libcuck will have no problem saying otherwise without any facts to back up their sizzling hot opinions.
>>51905915
See the "can't stump the trump" videos on Youtube (with all kinds of bizarre 4chan/Internet jokes, like characters smoking marijuana, insulting people freely etc.), which have been retweeted by Trump in person. He doesn't care about whatever you say online. He's a free trade guy, in his own words, and he wants you to even have guns to protect yourself.
In short, he will in no way "censor" the Internet. He will just hire the best American network engineers to figure out ways to combat terrorist proselytizing online.
No it's not right
Stop shilling
>>51905986
So which is it?
>>51905994
I'm a Rand Paul man myself, Trump supporters send me this link. I know Breithbart is probably bullshit but I'm a Poli-Sci major and I dun kno nuttin' 'bout da interweb.
he has a point. who the fuck said fb, for example, must be a global service? i understand it is in its interest to predate every market they can, but as a US company its jurisdiction is US soil, unless they incorporate locally
if they wanted, they could just ban/block radical islam countries like syria, saudi arabia, france, sweden, etc and it will stop most recruitment
if they dont want to abandon those markets, they could rebrand themselves as a local social network and call it a day
>Here’s Why
>2015, 9th day of Christmas
>Reading any article with a headline beginning with "Here's why" or "Why"
>>51905925
>>51905951
>>51905963
Who would be against this?
I just can't imagine somebody opposing this. These are people that wanna kill us, folks. And you're objecting to us infiltrating their conversations?
I don't think so. I don't think so.
>>51905915
Yeah it's bullshit but post an archive faggot. That's as clickbait and article as it gets; and its about the clickbait candidate.
They already do that. Most western countries including America can't access Al Qaeda et al.'s websites, bomb making wikis, and so on. There's already great firewalls but they're much harder to run into than China's.
It's insane to give the government authority and precedent to silence oppositional voices or things it sees as 'threats to public safety'. What might happen later on? Will they use it to silence /k/ and /pol/ if a Shillary type takes office? /g/ for using that terrorist operating system? He's using the whole think of the children bullshit. If you think you're worried about the NSA watching what you're doing now, it'll be a thousand times worse if Trump had his way. Even one catchy nasheed post might get you b& from the internet.
>>51906169
I completely agree, i think it's weird people on 4chan are supporting him on this, I know he's a meme but since when did we take meme's political opinions seriously?
>>51906281
SJWs and Mark Zuckerberg loathe Trump.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
>>51905915
>>Here’s Why Trump Is Right About ‘Shutting Down’ Parts Of The Internet
Well as the Patriot Act, and the NSA both have proven, there's absolutely no way this could be used to fuck over anyone but the people we hate, and not ourselves. Nope, you can trust politicians, judges, IRS agents, the media, spooks, pigs, etc. to do the right thing, and always look out for your best interests.
>>51906281
They want to watch the world burn. Trump is most likely to cause the Happening.
>>51905915
>kikebart
>>51906165
we have no real way of knowing who is and isn't a terrorist. the only practical way of guaranteeing that we can monitor all terrorists is by monitoring pretty much everyone, which is a widescale violation of the constitution.
Not even vaguely feasible. The author is clearly retarded. Does he think terrorists don't know how to use Tor? Has he never heard of a VPN? Does he really think ISIS couldn't have their buddies overseas run the website for them?
Go ahead and block all traffic to Syria. Now the ordinary citizens of Syria have no way of talking to people while ISIS and friends operate unimpeded. You have made it so ONLY terrorists can communicate. Good job.
>Now, all the internet service providers that together comprise the core of the internet are American.
Not really true. And even if it were, people would stop using them REALLY quickly if they started hijacking traffic. Indiscriminately redirecting all traffic to the NSA would be a great way to have no one ever trust American ISPs again.
Blocking it inside the country is one thing, but spying on foreign citizens would get people furious.
Why wouldn't they just find one lax country with lots of vpns?
>Is this neoconservative blog whose poster child is a self-hating fag and gaymergater legit?
Gee, I wonder
>>51905963
isn't it written by that gay guy
>>51906509
>neoconservative
Breitbart is pretty far right of neoconservative my friend :^)
>doubting Milo
>>51906533
>mfw 8gaggers think they're not liberal as long as they're racist
>>51905915
>he goes to right-wing gawker
>>51905915
>all but the most tech savvy jihadis would be gone
Using a proxy isn't really hard, that's why that shit won't work.
>>51906424
>Blocking it inside the country is one thing, but spying on foreign citizens would get people furious.
Yup. Merkel and some other European leaders are already pissed about the NSA spy programs. Just imagine how they'd react if the US implemented something like this.
>>51906626
I don't doubt that some jihadis couldn't figure it out. After all, we've already had some morons give away their position through Twitter.
But they wouldn't have retards running their website. They would have competent people handle their PR, so anything official would operate unimpeded.
>>51906129
>etc and it will stop most recruitment
how optimistic of you
>>51906324
The enemy of your enemy will kill you just as dead if he's still your enemy.
>>51906632
Who gives a shit how they would react. If they want rights in the U.S.A they should become a U.S.A citizen. What's Merkel going to do, turn Germany into a terrorist shithole...refugees welcome!
>>51906733
plz cuck me donny dorko
>>51906632
>>51906758
They'd probably make noise and fall silent on the condition that they get in on this censorship pie too.
I dont necessarily have a problem with easily accessed information being used on a case by case basis to catch "bad guys", but I think censorship is counterproductive in the long run.
>>51906733
Dubs confirm.
pls cuck me donny
>>51906733
pls cuck me donny
>>51905915
America is in it's final years before it collapses.
All these mass shootings make people want to ban guns... yet in doing so makes people buy even more guns. No matter what side you partake in this nation is spiraling downwards. All empires must come to an end.
>>51905986
Is this a troll
He retweeted the can't stump the trump tweet
>increase mass surveillance to the point where every american is employed to spy on themselves
>let the illegals do the real jobs
>economy skyrockets, unemployment at literally 0 people
Find a flaw.
>>51906129
People from isis infested countries like France, Britain and Canada can just use tor to get past the censorship firewall
>>51905915
>Trump
>Right
>>51906733
pls cuck me donny
>>51905963
Fuck off it was written by based Milo
>>51905915
Breitbart is Kike neocon central, but Trump was not actually wrong, though it was probably just a complete accident.
> BUILD WALL and REMOVE TACO to keep us physically safe from dirty brown people
> DE-PEER and DPI FIREWALL to keep out dirty 'strayan shitposters
>>51905915Even if it does work (most probably I have no doubt Milo contacted Weev before writing that) doesn't mean you should. It sets a precidence that these things are OK and whilst in theory it is a fine way to stop ISIS which we almost unanimously agree is bad what is the government starts shutting down things that aren't so bad.Also this wont stop them from using the internet it will just force them to move onto TOR or something which is even harder to track.
I agree with Milo on a lot of stuff but his anti net neutrality and views about cesnoring the 'bad' guys go against my views on free speech.
Then what can we do about ISIS?
>>51905915
If you accept that Trump's clarification on the statement he made is genuine, then the next question is, where to draw the line and say too much of the traffic from a country is used for directly supporting criminal activity, such that the country should be disconnected from communicating with the outside world over the internet.
Surely, even for folks that are interested in preserving civil liberties to a maximum for all humans, there's a point at which a country becomes too much of a risk; unless you make such an extreme estimation that potentially censoring even a single comment constituting free speech sets an unacceptable precedent no matter what the consequences are as a result of all the rest of the communications from a given country.
Not a single CISA thread...
So, CISA thread
https://cryptome.org/2015/12/s754-cisa.htm
Let's find all of your everyday things that now make you a criminal!
>> (A) malicious reconnaissance, including anomalous patterns of communications that appear to be transmitted for the purpose of gathering technical information related to a cybersecurity threat or security vulnerability;
Port scanning now a criminal offense
Post more!
>>51906169
Not to mention that splitting the ripple effect that would have through out the world, it literally would split the internet into who knows how many.
Looks like we're being raided by reddit with all these anti-Trump shitposters.
>baitbart
the fact is that
a) if you block off IP ranges all you do is create an opportunity to make cash routing around that bullshit
b) they can route data on the phone lines like telecomix did or just get some israeli vpns
c) america controls this infrastructure because historically they've been "trustworthy enough". if they use internet access as a weapon of war then they demonstrate a specific threat to their rivals and motivate an alternative.
d) he presumes that ISIS runs its social media from syria.
I think you will find after all the back tracking and clarification he has done on what he originally said, is that what he want's done is basically what is already being done.
>>51905915
>internet censorship is very serious so I'd like to be informed.
aww cute
Why are people so upset about this? He clearly doesn't know how to word what he wants, which is taking down ISIS accounts on twitter and removing any ISIS sites. Yes they can always use something like Tor, no your freedoms aren't being violated anymore than they've been violated by the RIAA and MPAA doing the same shit with torrent sites.
People are just looking for a reason to hate Trump because they actually believe the mainstream media who paints him as a Mexican hating racist who hates women and wants to kill all muslims before becoming king. Even watching one of his speeches would show that narrative is bullshit.
>>51909979
>b) they can route data on the phone lines
What phone lines? Do you think obvious communication lines are going to be left open if the US formally goes to war with ISIS, especially under Trump? Cutting off your enemy's communication is one of the most basic tactics there is.
The internet was literally designed to be incredibly difficult to stop.
>>51905915
ANOTHER political thread on /g/ today.
>>>/pol/
>>51910049
And yet you can cut a few cables in developing nations and suddenly you have a major blackout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption
Only a fool would think it's immoral or wrong to limit ISIS's ability to both communicate and spread propaganda. The point is to make it harder to get their propaganda in the first place. Which do you think is harder for the edgy teens who might get recruited? Going to some obscure onion address through Tor of going on Twitter to an ISIS run account?
>>51910059
>YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING POLITICAL ON /g/ EVEN IF IT'S SHIT LIKE TOR OR TRUMP ATTACKING THE INTERNET WAAAAAAAAAH
Fuck off back to /v/.
>>51906758
>they should become a U.S.A citizen.
>Liberal homosexual commie detected
I know you liberal nazis think that immigration is the next best thing to sodomy, and persecuting Christians (including gun control), but I'll have you know that Jesus isn't going to stand for much more of your evil. If you start trying to import a bunch of German, French, Italian, or even more Spaniards (European Spaniards are six times as likely to be sodomites, Democrats and Catholics than the "normal" Mexican variety; 666 = Mark of the Beast!) into the US to help you destroy it, and raise taxes, Jesus isn't going to like it one bit, this I assure you, faggot. You saw how far Hitler got when he tried pulling similar leftist/evil bullshit. You commie fucks just never seem to learn though.
Trump will save America.It's more fun to annoy Americans who don't want him as president than to admit I stand with them.
>>51908407
We had that in eastern Germany until 1989 did not work well
>>51906165
this post made me laugh
trump 2016
Make America great again.
>>51906075
it's the "you can keep being the disgusting pedophile leftist fuck you are, meanwhile measures will be taken to limit mudslime terrorists from recruiting"
>>51905986
>In short, he will in no way "censor" the Internet.
>He will just hire the best American network engineers to figure out ways to combat terrorist proselytizing online.
>He will just censor certain people with certain beliefs.
>Is this pro-Trump article bullshit?
Here is a tip.
1: Briebart.
2: MIlo
If either one of these is true, it's bullshit.
>>51909992
>>51910041
This.
4channerians are silly.
>>51905986
Kek, trump is for making himself more money.
Everything else is collateral damage.
>>51911120
>He will just censor certain people who want to wage a global war in the name of jihad
Oh no, our freedom of speech is being infringed upon. Oh wait, white people aren't muslim. Guess I have nothing to fear.
Isis social media does not have to be in Syria or Iraq, they have accounts in western countries and they can establish alternatives.
>>51909992
this
NSA and/or Mossad already keep intelligence on terrorists. "infiltrating their internet"
>>51906424
>The author is clearly retarded.
Milo is literally the head of Briebart tech and doesn't know what Linux is, Doesn't know who Stallman is, Doesn't know who Linus is, Couldn't name the brand of his phone, couldn't name 3 video games.
He literally exists to use "tech" to push right wing culture war bullshit because Gamergate is Briebarts main audience now.
trump is the literal meme king
he's the bat gotham needs
>>51911182
>He literally exists to use "tech" to push right wing culture war bullshit
Thank god. We need someone to counterbalance the leftist who have been doing that for years now.
>>51906424
>no, you are clueless. you can't VPN if you don't have any IP transit.
https://twitter.com/rabite/status/676993971684511744
>>51905915
Bait outside 4chan, how nice.
It's like you guys have forgotten what you are. When did 4chan go from libertarian to authoritarian?
Protip: there are forces at work that see angry young loners like yourself as the ultimate enemy.
>>51912205
>that image
I'm starting to think jpeg losing quality meme is actaully not a meme at all.
>>51905915
I dunno man, every time I trusted the government not to fuck me over, they did. What makes trump any different?
>>51912205
4chan started being more right wing when leftists started to invade 4chan, video games, etc.
>>51906324
I kinda agree with you somewhat. If given the chance, I would for the lesser of the two evils. If given the chance, would you like the internet controlled a bit or would you want full censorship and the internet is made one big "safe space".
Anyone who hates trump needs to get their kike ass back to reddit. Trump is the man who is going to save america and the white race from extermination.
>>51913076
More like everyone rational started being more right wing when leftists started doing that.
And some even resent it. I would say nowadays left/right really does not matter, because you will get 2 people with complete, polar opposite ideas in just one side of the spectrum, and both will consider they're on different sides because of that.
>>51913097
That's something many people won't understand unfortunately. Trump is a crazy bastard, but he can ensure we won't get more people in jail for doing things like disagreeing with someone or being in a specific posture. Or putting out there a picture of a girl on a bikini that's not morbidly obese.
My country went through a dictatorship similar to that. Talk about a specific person in a different way and prepare your butthole.
>>51911142
>If either one of these is true, it's bullshit.
How about reading it from an objective stand point, you massive fucking dolt?
Two years ago, I thought /pol/ was a terrible board full of nothing but shitposting. Today, they feel like the most sane voices on this entire site, despite being a terrible board full of shitposting.
Can't we just turn back the clock to a time when politics didn't shit up every interest I have? It's so depressing.
>>51913217
Trump is going to save the internet you whiny kike.
>>51913217
If politics are shitting up whichever interest you have so much, there's an actual point in trying to get into them rather than ignore them.
It's the fact that you try to get away from it that's making it worse for you and for many people. You won't stand up and fight. So whatever hobby you have, related to technology or not, it's going to turn into shit and you're going to have to adapt to it forcefully and without asking a single question.
>>51913217
>dumb enough to fall for /pol/tard memes
>>51913199
>objective stand point
oxymoron detected
>>51913466
>implying trump is a meme
>implying trump isn't going to save america and whites
>implying trump won't send unpatriotic kikes like you to the gas chambers
>>51905915
All they could do would be to knock entire Autonomous Systems off the Internet, which would come with massive collateral damage. You wouldn't only hit ISIS, but also everyone else on the same network. Including "moderate rebels", hospitals and literally everything else.
Besides, chances are ISIS would get around it within a week.
Also you can't force every border router to accept your announcment.
You can bet that some middle eastern networks would simply roll back the change in protest and thus create massive chaos.
>>51913666
who gives a shit if a bunch of sand niggers die
>being right-wing in /g/
>not being part of Stallmanism
Right-wingers go back to /pol/ with your non-free software.
>>51913732
Only someone who has something to hide uses free software.
>>51913732
I'm more of a libertarian/BSD guy.
>>51913732
While I agree with you that freetards are in general more leftist than macfags and wincucks, let's check this with a poll:
>Your main OS and opinion on Trump "Shutting down" parts of the Internet.
https://strawpoll.me/6291924
>>51913732
If you support intellectual property then you are not right-wing.
>>51906733
pls cuck me donny
Everybody else spam it. It rustles /pol/'s jimmies and makes the cancer go away.
>>51914067
What are you talking about? Right-wing is all about protecting all types of property ownership.
Or did you mean the one doesn't necessarily imply the other?
>>51914067
Only a leftist commie would use free software. A patriotic republican installs proprietary software.
>>51914035
That's a charged question because Trump never said he wanted to shut down the Internet, he (clumsily) said he wants to try to keep ISIS offline though.
>>51914287
He also (clumsily) said free speech is overrated.
And before you start damage control, yes, he was talking about the US because the subject was preventing homegrown terror.
>>51914324
He said people use free speech as an excuse, which they do. ISIS is our enemy. Trying to protect their unalienable rights while going to war with them is completely silly. Even Rand Paul wouldn't say something like that. The kinds of "censorship" Trump wants in place have already been used by the MPAA and RIAA, so what harm is going to be to use those bad laws to help fight ISIS? It's not like he's calling on new laws like Bush and Obama have done.
>>51914287
I just copied the title of that pro-Trump article where he said he wanted to shut down parts of the Internet. I didn't interpret it in any way.
We all know what it's about, the poll is for this thread.
>>51914379
The issue is that lots of people on /g/ who don't follow politics think Trump wants to literally shut down the Internet. If you've payed attention to what Trump has been saying you'll clearly see how biased the media is. It's almost as bad as Ron Paul in 2012. In some ways it's actually worse.
>>51914368
>supporting the MPAA and RIAA
>on /g/
Nigga, you just fucked up.
>>51914368
Why limit the law to terrorism and piracy? Let's use those laws wherever we can for every purpose. Preventing crime, regulating Internet economy, media control etc.
>>51914368
>>51914407
>it's okay Mr. Goyim, we won't abuse our power
>after all, we've never abused our power before :^)
>>51914411
Where did I support the RIAA and MPAA?
Actually don't waste your time, because I clearly didn't. You however are willfully ignoring that there are plenty of bullshit laws already in place which have been used plenty of times to take down other sites. Megaupload is one example, all the domains ICE seized being other examples.
Why is it bad to use those laws to make ISIS's online activities harder to do?
>>51914440
The laws already exist. They can do that if they really wanted to.
Keep in mind Hillary wants to do the same shit. She even said freedom of speech is an excuse in these cases, just like Trump.
>>51914484
The laws aren't ideal, but they already exist, have existed for years and have yet to be used in such awful ways. Despite this you still attack Trump even though every other candidate other than Rand (including Hillary) supports the laws.
>>51914486
>laws lobbied for by the MPAA and RIAA already enable censorship
>therefore we should censor other things too
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you support them. Get off of /g/. Your authoritarian cuck fetish belongs here:
>>>/pol/
>>51914407
I agree not everybody is well informed, but he did say he wanted to shut down "parts" of the Internet...
It's just like voting in ellections - you don't have to be fully informed to have an opinion. That sucks, but that's how it is.
>>51914486
Shouldn't we be trying to fight against those laws instead of further justifying them?
Also fuck that cuck Hillary too. As some people have been saying, Trump might as well be a Hillary shill forcing the undecided voters to choose a seemingly less radical choice.
>>51914035
Seems like macfags are circlejerking in their own threads.
>>51914576
>therefore we should censor other things too
Making it hard for your enemy to spread their propaganda is censorship now? Are you kidding me?
>>51914197
Intellectual property isn't property. It's just some restriction on things to assist people on making money.
>>51914665
>pls gib more power
>just trust us goyim :^)
The ironic part is that you supposedly stand for limited government. Hypocrite.
>>51905915
>the internet is the ownership of the president of the united states
>>51914656
>Shouldn't we be trying to fight against those laws instead of further justifying them?
People haven't been doing a good job of that if the laws are still around and unchallenged.
I wonder how many posters on /g/ even support the EFF. When stuff like this pops up /g/ follows the trend blindly. Usually that's fine because most of the shit is legitimately bad, but this isn't one of those cases.
>Also fuck that cuck Hillary too. As some people have been saying, Trump might as well be a Hillary shill forcing the undecided voters to choose a seemingly less radical choice.
That's bullshit people where saying when he first began to ran. He's by far the hardest person on her right now. Why would Hillary hire Trump to keep bringing up her e-mails when she's in the middle of an FBI investigation pertaining to them?
>>51914665
From wiki:
>Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.
Yes it is, by definition.
>inb4 quoting wiki ever
>>51905915
>breitbart
They are probably serious about Trump, I don't think they are mocking him.
>>51909245
>>51906165
anyone who legitimately supports trump for president is legit mentally retarded and should get help from a physician. possibly euthanized
>>51914656
Sanders also supports internet freedom and has a better chance of getting elected, but of course
>le ebin cuck maymay
will keep you from voting for him because apparently you want a person to control you, not to represent you.
>>51914703
So are you actually going to try to argue or are you going to keep avoiding the points? The laws exist whether you like them or not. Why shouldn't they be used for something good instead of the corporate shilling they were created for? You don't need to support them to support using them.
>>51914728
What about their right to free speech? Religion? Owning guns? How about their right to life? We are violating ALL of those by going to war with them. Like I said three times now; Trying to protect the rights of enemy combatants in the middle of war is silly. Actually I'll go a step further and say it's naive and stupid.
>>51914723
>That's bullshit people where saying when he first began to ran.
I know, but it just looks to me like that's what's happening. Undecided people will choose "lesser" evil based on the image of candidates alone, as always.
>>51914775
You're acting like their censorship laws were written by the founding fathers into the bill of rights or something. Not only are they unconstitutional, but they were slipped into law under the cover of darkness. Your only justification is
>whelp, we have censorship now, I guess we might as well expand it
Holy shit, what a cuck. I bet you got sexual pleasure when mommy took away your phone priviliges too.
>>51911120
It's not censorship to DDOS a person.
>>51914758
I don't support him because he wants stupid shit like raising the minimum wage to $15 and basic income. If he becomes the Dem front runner then I'll look into him more, but for now it'd be a waste of time.
>>51914812
Plenty of people don't buy into Hillary. A common theme with this election on both sides are anti-establishment. Trump and Carson both had surges from it and Bernie completely relies on it.
>>51914844
>You're acting like their censorship laws were written by the founding fathers into the bill of rights or something. Not only are they unconstitutional, but they were slipped into law under the cover of darkness. Your only justification is
I said multiple times that they were bad laws and it's not ideal to have them. So I don't see how you could have possibly thought that.
>whelp, we have censorship now, I guess we might as well expand it
So you seriously believe that fighting ISIS propaganda online is censorship? In war? War ALWAYS violates the rights of people on both sides. We aren't even the ones who formally declared war this time, ISIS was.
>>51914758
Me? I don't vote for anybody. Also I can't because there are no elections in my country ;)
>>51914775
Are you the same ISIS supporter that legitimized ISIS yesterday by talking about USA going to war with them?
>>51914899
Nice loaded question. I love how you think destroying ISIS is somehow saying we see them as a legitimate state. I guess the post-1700s French revolutionary groups were being legitimized as well, right?
>>51906733
pls cuck me donny
Mmm, take away my freedoms real good. Make me work long hours for less pay like that big strong boss you are. Then throw me in prison and punish me sooo hard. Yes!!!
>>51915239
Spot the European
>>51915335
Mmmhhhhhh please censor my internet. I want a big smart man like you to tell me what and what not to think.
>>51915414
Tell us how Trump would be censoring the Internet.
>>51915570
Uunnnggghhhh, I don't care what other people say about you Donny, you're the only reason I need. I always hear from them how you said something bad, but I know deep down you didn't really mean it. They keep saying their mean things about you, but I just ignore them. I don't need them because I have you.
Now give it to me! Fuck my asshole as hard as you can! I want to shit out your cum!
>>51914752
>>>/r/politics
I think you'd fit in there
>>51905915
>breitbart
>by milo niggercocklovingjew
Obviously it's bullshit.
How long could Milo keep a job as a journalist on a non-shit website? Would he even get the position?
Isn't it obvious?
>>51915943
That they're both bullshit? Yeah.
>>51915752
So you seriously believe he wants to censor the Internet? Do you believe he hates Mexicans and wants to deport all Muslims?
>>51915943
>not voting for Sanders
In 20 years nobody will remember your stupid cuck memes and everyone will remember how freedom was lost.
>>51910041
Maybe that's what Donny was talking about, but the Breitbart article was talking about totally cutting off Syria from the Internet and re-routing traffic to the NSA.
>>51915977
>Voting someone who thinks raising the minimum wage to $15 is a good idea
>Wants basic income in the US when it's barely been tested in other countries
>Supports racist groups like Black Lives Matter
>Believes in "reasonable" gun control
>>51915977
Sanders is an idiot. I will vote for rand in the primaries and if trump gets the nomination, vote for him over sanders.
>>51915977
>tfw retards spouting socialism buzzwords will never know what socialism is
>tfw our best hope to save America won't get voted in
>>51916002
Well you got me there. I don't read Gamergate: The Blog. It's like going to MSNBC or Return of Kings for politics.
>>51916013
>supports a candidate who wants to turn the US into a fascist shithole
>b-but fascism is good!
You have to be 18 to post here.
>>51905915
Trump is correct. ISIS is using social media for recruitment and communication to harm Americans and people around the world. Look at Paris and San Bernardino.
I feel like people would be a lot more reluctant to support Trump if they knew his main supporters were a group of neo-nazi cuckolds from 4chan.
>>51916066
everyone already knows white supremacists support trump
>>51916038
>Fascist
Maybe you should go read up on fascism before you start throwing your meme words around.
>>51915943
>Hillary, talking about tech after her illegalities.
>>51916095
Spotted the edgy middle schooler.
>>51916038
Ok, how is trump a fascist?
>>51916066
>his main supporters were a group of neo-nazi cuckolds from 4chan.
Are you retarded? There are around 50 million registered republicans and 17 million of them say they will vote for Trump. That doesn't even count the people who aren't registered.
>>51916061
>Paris
Let's block unencrypted SMS communication in our own country then, because that's how terrorists communicated in Paris.
>>51906509
>self hating
>implying that's not a plus
>>51906574
>mfw people think these commies died unjustly
>>51916111
Here's the definition of fascism. Trump doesn't fit, sorry.
>>51915943
>did you, or did you not, wipe those hard drives containing incriminating evidence
>w-what, with a cloth or something?
Future president/cybersecurity expert Hillary Clinton everybody
>>51916167
But that's not even the definition of fascism :<
>>51916167
You probably posted the wrong picture then.
>>51916111
I think you're the edgy one here m8
>Trump is an evil fascist nazi who wants to enslave all minorities!!1!!!1!
>>51916167
It seems like all of those fit to me.
>>51916150
That'd be a fine and dandy comparison if Trump had said he wanted to take something like Twitter offline, but he didn't.
>>51916180
>>51916189
Even left wing tabloids like Vox think Trump ISN'T a fascist.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/10/9886152/donald-trump-fascism
Stop trying to redefine "fascism".
>>51916199
Trump doesn't have the power in any sense to achive a corperate and national merger.
Not one that leaves the oligarchy on top, but the nation.
>>51916199
Then why isn't Trump the supreme leader of the US yet? Fascists don't run for office, they take it.
>>51916206
But actually, I'm not saying he is a fascist, but that isn't the definition of fascism :<
>>51916212
That's exactly what he wants though, ergo he is a fascist.
>>51916227
Well what definition are you arguing for then?
>>51916220
This, a real facist would take over by force and kill/jail anyone who dares oppose him.
>>51916220
>being retarded
Hitler was elected.
>>51911182
So he is no worse than Buzzfeed, The Verge, Daily Beast, Cracked, MSNBC etc
SJW betacucks are just raging because for once it's not some leftwing faggot doing it
>>51916220
>>51916240
Underage please leave
Go get an education
>>51916235
He constantly talks about how hedgefund managers, special interests, the media and Super PACs all fuck with the political system here. One of his main policies is reforming the tax code to remove the bullshit loopholes, something even Bernie Sanders wants to do.
>>51916247
yes and then he slowly eliminated everyone till he became the one ruler. Is trump going to do that to congress or the senate?
>>51916260
You're yet to say how trump is a facist.
>>51910709
MFW reading that.
>>51916235
Prove it.
>>51916238
I choose not to involve politics into /g/.
But fascism has been under an unfortunate strawman for a long period of time now. (I must admit, just as communism has). But it's not simple, because there are many different types of fascism that run at parrallel to the root word.
It is better defined as explicitly "for the good and the health of the people". As in capability, not equality, not liberty, but ability. Almost a meritocracy of sorts.
There is a belief that only equality and liberty can be achieved after ability. And that the only way to retain the maximization of liberty, is through an eternal fascism. While you won't have a maximum amount of liberty, it will be less likley to be corrupted.
This is a very long discussion to be had. But if you're interested in reactionary reading try out this book. He isn't a fascist either.
>>51916235
>muh racism
>muh facism
>muh hitler
>muh xenophobia
>muh islamophobia
Reddit fags are so butthurt that Hernie Bernie is out of the picture now they can't stand it. Liberals are running out of names to call Trump, how much longer before they just start rambling incoherent REEEEE's for lack of words.
>>51916280
>first post on this thread
>you're yet to say...
wew
>>51916264
You forgot the other half of that:
>and cut taxes for the wealthy and big business, shifting the tax burden downward
Thanks to wanting to build the largest megastructure in human history and also wanting to replace all of our military equipment, his tax percentages are lowballs since he'll end up being more expensive than Obama. He'll end up raising taxes on the middle class unless he runs massive deficits.
>>51916298
shutting down or limiting internet for ISIS infested countries like Syria is not facism. Try again.
>>51916298
>>51916312
He doesn't realize that blocking Internet traffic from Syria and other terror source countries is just an embargo.
>>51914752
Found the libcuck
>>51916312
Hey retard, since you lack basic reading comprehension i'll explain again
I never said he was a fascist. The post you quoted was my first in this thread and it was a reply to the 2 morons who thought fascists always take power. I told them to leave because they're most likely underage since they didn't know Hitler was elected
So fuck off faglord and l2read
>>51916247
No, the Nazi party was elected. Hitler was initially APPOINTED Chancellor and he took the title of Furher by getting a law passed which gave him basically unlimited power. Even that's an extremely gross simplification of Hitler's rise to power.
>>51914752
>Reddit being this mad.
how can someone be serious or right with this kind of face expression
>>51905915
he pays for favorable coverage at breitbart. google it.
he also pays about 3000 people to funpost about him on social media and popular sites ESPECIALLY here. you can spot these people because they will photoshop trump on to a younger sexier body as a "meme"
>>51916337
No, the Nazi party was elected in a parliamentary system. Not a constitutional republic.
He then appointed himself reichsfurher and chancellor.
He wasn't elected to that position.
>>51916386
>He looks silly
How can someone like Bernie get elected?
>>51916311
>>and cut taxes for the wealthy and big business,
He specifically said multiple times that the rich should have to pay more in taxes than people with less money. And no, he wants to cut taxes for ALL businesses, not just big business. He is openly against crony capitalism and isn't afraid to use the term.
>Thanks to wanting to build the largest megastructure in human history
The Great Wall of China is longer than the wall Trump wants to build and it's nothing compared to the costs of things like Obamacare.
>and also wanting to replace all of our military equipment
We spent $1 trillion on a joke of a jet fighter. That's 1 million times 1 million dollars, just on developing a fighter jet. There's plenty of money between bad budgeting and trade deficits to fund the few billion dollars the wall would need.
>>51916422
>J-JUST GOOGLE IT!
Proofs?
>>51916290
if i call trump racist he will probably try to have me gassed along with the mexicans and muslims he cannot stand
>>51910709
>nazi
>leftist
>hitler
>leftist
i got bad news for you my young edgy friend. your dad isnt as smart as he thinks he is...
>>51916448
Lmfao.
The shitposting in this thread.
>>51916462
Hitler was neither left nor right. It's rediculous to try and explain complex political ideologies and systems with terms made in the 17th century.
>>51916448
The fact you think he hates Mexicans and Muslims shows you only know about Trump from tidbits of the media. See >>51915943
Big media doesn't even try to hide their bias against Trump.
>>51905915
>what is proxy
I'll just remind you that NSA hadn't find anything of value related to the terrorism. And that's 2014, with ISIS and whatnot. Why so? They weren't looking, obviously. They were spying on citizens.
Censorship and mass espionage is NOT a good way to fight terrorism, proper investigative effort is. You've got to use field agents, you've got to check all available info seriously, not just "hurr durr let's gather Big Data and analyze the shit out of everyone's online trends" crap. God, Tsarnaevs were even reported by Russia as likely terrorists, but US intelligence dismissed it without much thought. This is what should be worked on, bot more regulations in the Internet.
Both liberals and conservatives(In the US) are retarded.
Conservacucks don't wanna fix tax loopholes and a lot of them are religous fanatics going on about MUH DEGENERACY BABY KILLAN BLAH BLAH
Libcucks are bleeding hearts who wanna bring more people(unskilled at that) into an already overpopularted country and waste taxes that could be used on our own people on them.
Both seem fine with taking away your right to privacy too.
Why is Murrica so broken?
I'm voting sanders but only because he believes in closing tax loopholes, state colleges really should be free.
Just a shame he's fine with illegals and refugees, he'd be a passable candidate otherwise.
>>51916593
> hadn't found etc
Sorry. A bit sleepy.
>>51908160
Honestly question, do you think anyone will take American refugees?
Or should I marry an ugly cunt in another country to save myself now?
>>51908160
>Obongo leaves the White House accomplishing nothing.
>Trump gets elected.
>America is in it's final years before it ascends to greatness again.
>>51913076
Been here since 05, I remember it being left wing then.
Remember when /b/ attacked Hal Turner for being a racist piece of shit?
>>51905915
>milo
>>51916013
>Black Lives Matter
>racist group
not this reactionary shit again
>>51916095
>>51916124
even your right-wing buttbuds are calling him a fascist:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/donald_trump_is_a_fascist_it_is_the_political_label_that_best_describes.html
>Mudslimes
>people
>>51916598
>Conservacucks don't wanna fix tax loopholes
Trump and Rand do.
>into an already overpopularted
The USA is not even close to overpopulated.
>Why is Murrica so broken?
Oligarchies. Trump is in opposition to them and isn't afraid to expose it when he can.
http://twitchy.com/2015/09/06/donald-trump-posts-letter-from-the-club-for-growth-asking-for-1000000-donation-cfg-responds/
>>51916664
Remember how most of the people doing the raids were literally teenagers? We grew up. Obama really helped turn people away from the American left as well.
>>51916681
>Slate
>Right wing
What?
And yes, Black Lives Matter is incredibly racist. It spreads the idea that whites are killing blacks left, blaming it on racism and police. All it does is divide the country and keep blacks away from real issues like how literally 90% of black murders are committed by another black person, and how often those sorts of murders happen. Even Trump brought that up, but Bernie, Hillary and other republicucks won't dare say something so "racist".
>>51916681
BLM has no legitimacy and are full of the most racist people you can think of.
Trump isn't a fascist.
>>51916289
>>51916826
>The USA is not even close to overpopulated.
It is when you take into account we lose more and more jobs to automation everyday
Unskilled workers are suffering, here in Baltimore I can't even get seasonal work.
>>51906403
lmao
>>51916826
how is pointing to statistics that minorities are more likely to be shot dead by police racist? should people suddenly ignore that just because blacks are killing each other? that is even a new topic since most black leaders acknowledge its a problem
>>51916826
>>Slate
>>Right wing
read the article, lad
>“Forced federal registration of U.S. citizens, based on religious identity, is fascism. Period. Nothing else to call it,” tweeted Jeb Bush adviser John Noonan. “I just don’t agree with that kind of thing,” declared alleged presidential candidate Jim Gilmore. “I’ve said it’s fascist talk.” “I’m still not sure it’s 100 percent clear that Donald Trump really understands that he’s a neo-fascist,” wrote Michael Tomasky for the Daily Beast.
>>51916931
>when you take into account we lose more and more jobs to automation everyday
All the moronic political candidates are always talking about "CREATING JUURRBS" when they don't address the coming issue of automation stripping our jobs away. They aren't planning for that future which is coming very soon, and people will dismiss the idea of a basic universal income.
Prepare for a world where everyone is literally in poverty.
trump the cuck
stumped cuck trump
trump the cuck chump
memes
>>51906324
>The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Biggest fucking fallacy out there.
>>51917039
I'm tempted to marry a literal 1/10 for Finnish citizenship just so I don't freeze/starve to death.
>>51916953
BLM acts as if there's an epidemic of officers killing black people when almost all black murders were committed by a black person.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
Barely over 100 black murders were done by a white person. Even then police are killing EVERYONE at alarming rates, but BLM acts as if African Americans are the sole victims.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/over-1000-people-killed-by-police-since-the-beginning-of-2015/211529/
>>51917007
>“Forced federal registration of U.S. citizens, based on religious identity, is fascism. Period. Nothing else to call it,” tweeted Jeb Bush adviser John Noonan
Obviously Jeb and his team will attack Trump. What's your point?
>>51916931
What does job automation have to do with overpopulation?
Besides, Trump wants to bring lower skilled jobs like manufacturing back to the United States.
>>51917235
>Trump wants to bring lower skilled jobs like manufacturing back to the United States.
What's the point when machines will replace those jobs soon?
>>51917102
Finland's economy is in the toilet. They cannot possibly sustain their welfare state with the way they're importing refugees and dying off due to a low birth rate.
>>51917235
You are still ignoring my claim that blacks are still MORE LIKELY to be killed by police. You are also ignoring my claim that 'black-on-black" crime should not be a detractor from police accountability, as the police have far-reaching power compared to just regular citizens.
>>51917287
They are also more likley to commit crime motherfucker.
>>51917267
Machines can't replace all of the jobs, such as assembly. And on top of that if it's more cost effective to hire people instead of building entirely new, automated systems then they'll keep on hiring. That's why McDonalds and Walmart still have human cashiers.
>>51917287
>You are still ignoring my claim that blacks are still MORE LIKELY to be killed by police.
Only proportionally, but that still ignores the WHY they're being shot more often. Blacks tend to live in far worse economic situations and have far more run ins with the police than other races proportionally.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43
You could go full /pol/ and say it's because they're "niggers", but if you're a more reasonable person you'll wonder why BLM is protesting what's basically a non-issue symptom of a real problem with African American communities in America. A lot of that is due to all our manufacturing jobs leaving the country. Look at Detroit for the best example of this.
>>51913022
What the fuck made you think it was a meme you stupid fuck? do you know how lossy encoding even works?
>>51917267
He's only saying it to appease the masses in the hopes of getting elected. He might be able to temporarily hold back the tide but really we need to prepare for this automated future and electing fools like trump is the exact opposite of what should happen.
>>51917370
>Machines can't replace all of the jobs, such as assembly.
For now.
> And on top of that if it's more cost effective to hire people instead of building entirely new, automated systems then they'll keep on hiring.
For now.
>That's why McDonalds and Walmart still have human cashiers.
For now.
>>51905915
>retarded redneck with fake tan runs for a president
MURRCA
>>51917345
>>51917370
I don't think it's a non-issue. Sure. Blacks are disproportionately likely to become criminals. That, along with the issues of race and policing, are part of the very complicated issue of race in America.
You are trying to focus on to one area when all of these things are connected.
>>51917370
>That's why McDonalds and Walmart still have human cashiers.
You have no idea what's coming.
Your opinion is still in the majority because most people aren't informed about the coming trend of technology. But that's all about to change because McDonald's is not only testing out self serve ordering screens in various joints, but they're also testing out their new machines to quite literally make all the food without human intervention.
Robotic automation will replace most low skill labor within the next 10-20 years and no one is addressing this.
>>51917446
>For now
Why shouldn't we care about creating jobs right now? That sort of automation is years or even decades away from being cheaper than human labor.
>>51917479
I literally said that police killings of blacks is a symptom of a much larger issue. Please re-read my post.
>>51917481
If it's not addressed, brace for fucking riots and the poor to eat the rich.
>>51916681
>>Black Lives Matter
>>racist group
>not this reactionary shit again
They're not racist in intention but their actions are enforcing racial divides. Groups like BLM are playing right into the hands of those who would enslave us.
>>51917481
Is there any discussion on how automation could potentially help? e.g. if one area is "automated" how could it open jobs for human workers in another area?
>>51917507
You are saying it is a non-issue but I disagree.
>>51917507
>Why shouldn't we care about creating jobs right now? That sort of automation is years or even decades away from being cheaper than human labor.
Because when it is your society will not be prepared due to regressive policies and will be left behind by the rest of the world.
The shift will be gradual, but if we do not prepare we are going to end up with a truly horrendous societal structure. Think massive underclass.
>>51917481
I don't think you understand business at all. We have had the technology to replace cashiers completely for a while, but we haven't. You know why? It's too expensive compared to just hiring someone. On top of that people would have to get used to the new system (drives away older people) and you'd have to hire lots of people who actually have skills to maintain the machines when they break and malfunction. As long as the costs of hiring a human remain lower than the cost of replacing them then humans will still be doing jobs.
Maybe in 20 years we'll see the start of it, but for many jobs it will be a nonissue.
If anything it's just more reason to bring back manufacturing jobs which aren't as easy to fully automate.
Honestly, EU should just cut all trade ties with the US already. Shit's too fucking retarded.
>>51917540
>if one area is "automated" how could it open jobs for human workers in another area?
The only jobs that are safe are ones that require imaginative thinking and design. Beyond that even most white collar office jobs will be stripped away by artificial intelligence. Those people will be left out in the streets along with the blue collar job seekers.
>>51917546
>Because when it is your society will not be prepared due to regressive policies and will be left behind by the rest of the world.
Oh? And how do you figure we fix this issue that will exist decades from now? I'd be willing to bet most jobs will still be here 30 years from now, especially the skilled ones.
>>51917540
The idea that police are targeting blacks to kill is completely and utterly false. There is a problem with police killing people in general, but it's not just blacks. The reason blacks are killed by police in greater proportional numbers is because they tend to get in trouble with the law more often. The core of the issue is why that's the case. BLM ignores it however.
>>51917612
>Europeans in charge of economics
>>51917518
Good luck with that.
>>51917611
>It's too expensive compared to just hiring someone
You really think it costs roughly $10,000 (minimum wage annual salary) for one of those touch screens? lol.
>you'd have to hire lots of people who actually have skills to maintain the machines
Yup, their job is safe among others as well, but those aren't blue collar warehouse jobs either.
>>51917479
It's simple, commit more crime, get shot more m8.
>>51917611
I'm sorry, but you are deluded, the writing is on the wall. The moment companies can replace humans they will, they are not guided by emotion or a sense of obligation, just profit.
We're not even far away from having driverless cars, a far more complex problem than taking orders in mcdonalds.
When self driving cars reach critical mass several things will have happened.
>no taxiing jobs
>no haul jobs
>cars as a service will slowly kill off the sales jobs.
>no more bus drivers
This will leave millions unemployed, and it's already begun.
>>51917681
Unskilled workers make up the majority of workers.
When the majority is starving and homeless, do you think they'll just lay down and die?
No, they'll riot.
>>51917649
>Oh? And how do you figure we fix this issue that will exist decades from now? I'd be willing to bet most jobs will still be here 30 years from now, especially the skilled ones.
Better to be defensive than reactive. That's how nations are made and unmade. We need laws in place now so the damage is never done to society in the first place.
>>51917722
>We're not even far away from having driverless cars
Funny you mention that, because Google just announced they're opening up a new business designed for a driverless taxi service.
>>51917683
>You really think it costs roughly $10,000 (minimum wage annual salary) for one of those touch screens? lol.
Let's see, you'd have to lay tons of people off (huge PR nightmare, also the logistics takes time and therefore money), hire contractors to install the machines, the cost of buying and shipping those machines (and the logistics of knowing what to ship where), the costs of downtimes associated with the conversion, having to hire skilled people who know how to service the machines (That alone is what, a $40k salary job at the very least? Probably more like $50-$60k) and then you'd have to deal with the lost customers due to luddite boomers hating anything computers. That's a very simplified list of things you'd have to deal with to get rid of cashiers. It's simply not worth the investment.
>Yup, their job is safe among others as well, but those aren't blue collar warehouse jobs either.
What's your point?
>>51917722
>The moment companies can replace humans they will
Then why are there still human cashiers at Walmart alongside the automated checkouts?
>they are not guided by emotion or a sense of obligation, just profit.
See >>51917792
Like I said multiple times, the costs associated with converting to a completely automated PoS are not worth the investment. It's cheaper and easier to just hire actual human beings.
>When self driving cars reach critical mass several things will have happened.
>>no taxiing jobs
>>no haul jobs
Again you assume just because the technology is there that they will instantly switch, which isn't how it works.
>>51917753
You're reacting to it right now. It's not science fiction, it's just reality. There's no reason to blow it out of proportion though.
>>51917792
Most of those problems can be dealt by simply not trying to do the switch overnight but rolling it out gradually.
>>51917985
That'd just spread out the costs though. But it really doesn't matter, because the fact is that automation isn't anywhere near replacing most no skill jobs. When it becomes a real threat it will naturally work its way up the political ladder.
>>51905986
Trump is not a "free trade guy" in the slightest you fucking retard.
>>51918303
Not him but
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Free_Trade.htm
>>51917874
Different guy, but he's right that they don't necessarily have a moral obligation to keep away from automating if it increases profits. The free market will dictate whatever makes the most sense to each individual company. For some that will be a gradual shift to automation, while for others they might not change much at all.
Either way, it isn't the position of a government to be worrying about problems like this. You can't legislate job creation. Smart people will survive and adapt. Others will move elsewhere or probably go on welfare.
>>51914752
this
>Approving of censorship
>Sucking Israel's dick more than anyone
>Actual meme candidate with the platform of DUDE WALL LMAO
Rand Paul will make anime real.
>>51916028
There's no way Rand can get the nomination over Hillary with her PR team.
>>51918475
Rand and Hillary are in different parties. I think you meant Bernie though.
>>51916167
Then...
>communism, socialism and marxism = fascism
>>51918532
er meant Bernie. Didn't finish my sentences as I was busy posting something else. Forgot to add in that Rand is the only reasonable candidate, considering the others are either neocons (so cut from the same cloth as Bush Jr, Reagan, and ilk) or populists (Trump). I don't know much of Kasich or the other minor candidates, sans Rand, but it seems he's a centrist compared to the others.
>>51915860
>>51916327
>>51916381
Hi /pol/!
>>51918475
>>Approving of censorship
Where does he approve censorship?
>>Sucking Israel's dick more than anyone
That's just for show. He almost said on TV that Israel (along with the Saudis) are helping to fund ISIS, but he stopped at "you know who".
https://youtu.be/ixLinp_T-WQ?t=1557
Somewhere around this area. I'm on a shitty connection.
>>Actual meme candidate with the platform of DUDE WALL LMAO
What makes you think the wall isn't going to happen?
>Randlet
https://www.randpaul.com/issue/israel
>I’m proud to support Israel, America’s longtime friend and ally in the Middle East.
>>51916826
> Trump wants to fix tax loopholes
Yeah, and then cut taxes for the poor and rich and get middle class to pick up all the slack.
The "simplified tax code" is such a stupid meme.
You guys seem to forget that there's more dimensions to the political spectrum than "left vs right".
>Fascism is totalitarian right-wing.
>Communism/socialism is totalitarian left-wing.
>Anarcho-capitalist is right-wing anarchy.
>Anarcho-communist is left-wing anarchy.
>Libertarian is minimalist right-wing.
>Green party is minimalist left-wing.
>Democratic-socialist is green party but more totalitarian.
>>51918737
Or the fact that the legislative branch is completely corrupt and run by corporate lobbies and wealthy individuals
>>51918725
>Cut taxes for the rich
>Implying the rich are paying income taxes when they do shit like live on "$1 salaries"
>>51918652
> believing the "Trump isnt a jew" meme
He lived and breathed Jew York for decades.
How can Trumpcucks be so naïve?
https://youtu.be/tm5Je73bYOY
>>51918652
>Trump isn't a jew lover
>His daughter converted to Judaism and has jewish grandchildren
>Good friends with tons of Jew York Jews
nice meme
>>51918793
You're missing the point entirely. Corporate lobbies are authoritarian/totalitarian-moderates. They want heavy legislation that only benefits themselves but they lean neither left or right.
>>51918825
I never said income taxes.
Trump wants cutoffs brackets at $150k so you'll have corporate managers paying as much as billionaires like him. It's retarded.
>>51905915
>These people shouldn't have access to our internet and need to stew in their own juices.
I thought progress would be made against radical Islam by providing an open place to talk rather than shutting it down.
Bombing only turns more people on you and censorship silences us.
>>51918954
They'll be in the same bracket, not paying the same. You also again ignored that fact that with the current system they are paying little thanks to tax breaks and loopholes.
>>51919007
This might come as a shock to you anon but different cultures hold different values. People in the west value principles like liberty while people in places like Syria or the deep south value religious values and morals. Pic related.
Imagine If you were in their shoes. You have are born in a shitty war torn country that has awful rulers. Now America comes in and fucks your shit up. After this happens the power vacuum left over fills with group that wants global Jihad, and now that same country that helped make your life a living hell is trying to get you to believe in their values over your own. It's no wonder ISIS has grown so fast.
>>51919007
>>51919125
Stop bombing them, don't let them in our borders, let them kill each other for another few hundred years. Problem solved.
>>51919147
That'd be fine if ISIS wasn't on a global jihad with the US being one of its main targets.
This is what happens when a first world power pokes a stick at a hornets nest. What the fuck did people think would happen? They're trying to defend their nest.
>>51919207
ISIS is mostly inconsequential to the US.
>>51919014
They'll be paying the same percentage, and its obviously retarded because in most places the upper middle class doesn't even start at the highest bracket.
I've also read his tax plan and he never said he'd eliminate all taxes and loopholes. And I can almost guarantee the ones going are the ones affecting him.
>>51916178
> >did you, or did you not, wipe those hard drives containing incriminating evidence
> >w-what, with a cloth or something?
I thought that was a stupid question. Be precise. I wouldn't answer if someone asked if I'd "wiped" something to do with tech and data. What the fuck do they mean? It's a loaded term.
Also, it's like her own retarded version of the "that depends upon your definition of what is - is" response that her husband gave.
>>51919227
Yeah it's not like there was an attack in California or anything recently.
>>51919300
The cops are more likely to kill you than ISIS.
>>51906733
pls cuck me donny
>>51919317
>W-we should just let ISIS attack us! It's mean to bomb them! They don't really matter!
>>51919300
Go walk through the ghettos of LA and see what happens. Far greater risk of being killed by those animals than ISIS.
>>51919331
Who said anything about that? Shoot them up like they did in Texas. But bombing them is a waste of time and money that solves nothing.
>>51917481
>Robotic automation will replace most low skill labor within the next 10-20 years and no one is addressing this.
No it won't.
McDonald's *might* be able to switch to robots in a few areas. Older people won't like it. People who want interaction won't like it. The only reason McDonald's could even conceivably produce the food using robots is because of their super-standardized system that's already in place.
Good luck training a robot to correctly mop up a kid's puke.
Good luck training a robot to deal with a customer complaint.
Good luck training a robot to navigate changing city streets and unique property layouts for doing deliveries.
The coming machine flood is further off than what people are saying. It's going to replace middle-management information-related tasks long before manual, unskilled labor tasks.
In Japan, it's not uncommon to find a pub where you have an iPad-like device that you order from. But a human brings you your food. It's nice, you don't feel at all rushed to order, or distressed when the waitress doesn't come by at the right time, etc. It's a great balance of tech and humanity.
As for computerized ordering, I think you're far more likely to have online pre-ordering than any in-store kiosks. I don't want to touch some disgusting greasy interface to order my food.
>>51919343
>>51919333
If you just let terrorists carry out their attacks without doing anything to prevent them people will panic and get pissed for one. Second it's extremely pathetic to not defend your own country when a group of people identifying themselves as a state declares war on you. Third, ISIS isn't just our problem, it's also a problem with Europe, which affects our economy as well. There's plenty of reasons to fight ISIS. It's too late to leave the Middle East alone.
>>51918725
>The "simplified tax code" is such a stupid meme.
Eh. It's not. But it'll never happen. Why? TONS of jobs are created by the complex tax code. I mean fucking TONS.
>>51919436
Treating ISIS like a serious threat legitimizes them and helps their cause. They are not a legitimate state, the attacks they've carried out are insignificant, and it's just a waste of time to even bother them. It's like chasing after a bunch of mosquitos. Smash them if you can, but don't go running around the house after them.
>>51919463
Doing anything helps their cause. The people being recruited by ISIS did not have a positive opinion of the US in the first place and even if they didn't outright hate us their values and morals are not in line with our own. See the graph here >>51919125
The longer you let ISIS go unchecked the bigger a threat it will become, and it's already a legitimate threat, legitimate state or not.
>>51919436
>If you just let terrorists carry out their attacks without doing anything to prevent them people will panic and get pissed for one.
I don't see how GP said to just sit here and not do anything. GP seems to have specifically called out the bombing as being useless.
It's my understanding that our campaign of "low cost" drone bombing has been sloppy, instilled absolute terror over a large geographic area, and ultimately done nothing but make a terrorist factory.
>>51919509
You can repeat the scare tactics all you want, but the small amount of ISIS attacks on the US are negligible. ISIS is not a state; nor does it have anywhere near enough resources to wage serious war against the western world.
>>51917791
>Twin turbo supercharged big block
>thread almost at bump limit
>trump confirmed for not stumped
TRUMP 2016
SHUT DOWN ISIS'S INTERNET
>>51919147
>don't let them in our borders
They are already in Western countries. All they need is a little propaganda nudge from ISIS and there are thousands of would-be jihadists living in the US, Canada, Britain, etc. The only way to get rid of the threat is to literally deport everyone who identifies as Muslim, including native born citizens who convert. But they'll never let us do it, because "muh human rights" and #notallmuslims.
>>51919317
"You're more likely to die from a bee sting than a terrorist attack! Therefore we should do nothing about terrorism!"
Bee stings will happen regardless of what we do, but we can and will stop terrorism.
>>51919365
>robots can't do "x"
Robots will never be able to play chess! That's something only a human can do! Pic related. In 20-50 years you'll look back at this sentiment and laugh. It will be okay, because we will live in a utopia where all the dull labor is done by robots. Unless of course the Islamists get our way, and we go back to living like it is 700AD.
>>51916462
>satire
>bait
>trolling
>whatever
I've got even worse news for you...
>>51915943
silicon valley is nothing but web dev faggots
>>51919831
>They are already in Western countries.
There's not that many in the US. Stop importing them and we'll be fine. Europe made the mistake of letting a bunch of those whackjobs in and they're paying the price for it. We don't have to end up like that though.
>Bee stings will happen regardless of what we do, but we can and will stop terrorism.
Actually you really have this one completely backwards. There's plenty you can do to remove local bee infestations, but there's nothing you can do about terrorism. Keep in mind that these people are stupid and completely backwards. Unless you want to blow up literally every single Muslim, it won't go away.
>>51919343
>. But bombing them is a waste of time and money that solves nothing.
That's the retarded standpoint I've heard Eurocucks parrot for years. The thing is, once ISIS takes over enough countries - which they will, it's not a terrorist organization you have to worry about - it's a World War.
Pakistan has nukes. So does India.
Both countries combined have about half a billion muslims in them.
So really, the matter isn't as simple as leaving muslims on their own. You don't live in a fucking bubble whether you like it or not, the matter has transcended apathy. It did a long time ago but clueless libshits don't have the intelligence and self preservation instinct to comprehend the situation they're in.
>>51919514
>Bombing oil reserves and fields owned by ISIS
>Useless
Are you one of those people who thinks cutting communication lines is also useless? You're killing a huge source of funding for them. This isn't "The War on Terror", it's a war against a ISIS.
>It's my understanding that our campaign of "low cost" drone bombing has been sloppy, instilled absolute terror over a large geographic area, and ultimately done nothing but make a terrorist factory.
Why do you think Trump would do the same?
>>51919563
It has plenty of resources and they don't need to have traditional warfare to fight. They already have plenty of people inside the west, and there are hundreds of thousands of others who sympathize with them in the US alone.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
Notice how 1% of the Muslims polled said suicide bombings are "Often" justified. 1% of the muslim population now is 6.7 million ( http://www.muslimpopulation.com/America/ ), so if the numbers stayed the same between 2011 and now that means 67,000 muslims. Don't forger the 7% (469,000) of "sometimes" or the 5% (335,000) who "rarely" believe suicide bombings are justified.
If you let ISIS continue to spread its ideology it'll be an incredibly bad problem.
Right or not what he suggested is impossible to do
>>51919893
>ISIS taking over India
That's a laughable thought. ISIS gained as much ground as it has because the west has toppled dictators in the deluded hope that some magical democracy is going to arise out of a vacuum.
>>51919898
>It has plenty of resources and they don't need to have traditional warfare to fight.
How many people in the US die from an ISIS attack every day? Again, this number is really low and inconsequential to the life of the average american. Sure, they have the resources to convince a few random nutjobs to blow themselves up, but nothing serious.
>>51919944
Islam is growing so fast in India a civil war in that country is not just a possibility it's inevitable at this point and it's going to happen in our lifetimes.
You libturds... for all your multiculturalism bs you really have jack shit of an idea about what's going on around the world.
>>51919995
>accusing me of being a liberal
Another laughable thought.
Islam is not going to take over India any time soon certainly not ISIS. Fact check yourself and stop scare mongering.
>>51920028
Forget pic.
>>51920028
Now find the image for 2011.
And if that doesn't make you reconsider your stance I don't know what will.
>>51920150
Too lazy to find an image but.
>The Muslim community has registered a moderate 0.8 percent growth to touch 17.22 crore in the 10-year period between 2001 and 2011, up from 13.8 crore, while Hindu population showed a decline by 0.7 percent at 96.63 crore during the period, according to the latest census data on religion.
>Hindu population is 96.63 crore (79.8 percent); Muslim 17.22 crore (14.2 percent); Christian 2.78 crore (2.3 percent); Sikh 2.08 crore (1.7 percent); Buddhist 0.84 crore (0.7 percent); Jain 0.45 crore (0.4 percent), Other religions and persuasions (ORP) 0.79 crore (0.7 percent) and religion not stated 0.29 crore (0.2 percent).
http://www.firstpost.com/india/india-has-79-8-percent-hindus-14-2-percent-muslims-2011-census-data-on-religion-2407708.html
And also it's important to note.
>But the census and DHS results conducted in 1992-1993, and 2005, [show] the largest decline in fertility by religion has occurred among Muslims.
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2009/karimpolicyseminar.aspx
So no. There's still about a billion other non Muslims in India and that's not changing any time soon.
" We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way.”
Trump actually said this.
People on 4Chan are actually voting for this literal retard.
Cant wait til trump wins. All these Libtards "if he wins I'm leaving this country!"
buh bye :^) (We know you wont)
>>51920280
http://vimeo.com/148092658
>>51920429
>Hillary is also a piece of shit so it's okay if Trump is one
>>51920429
Yes, and? Was that supposed to mean something to me? Hilary is equally as anti-american and anti-freedom as Trump. They're both fucking insane.
Trump just happens to be fucking stupid ontop of that.
>>51920440
Yes actually, since she will be the front runner for the DNC. Also on top of that what Trump said is hardly retarded at all. Why don't you explain what's so bad about it. Cutting off your enemy's communication is one of the most basic things you can do. Oh yeah, and actually try to explain it, not just "THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS UR RETARDED"
>>51920492
>Trump
>Anti-American
>Has such strong support due to being nationalist
Okay. What makes him "Anti-American"?
When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform.
Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn't even get a vote in a Democratic controlled congress.
This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.
Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood - both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration.
Next she chose Janet Reno - husband Bill described her selection as "my worst mistake."
Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.
Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the
Head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier's radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.
Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations.
She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department.
Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.
Many younger votes will have no knowledge of "Travelgate." Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson - and the White House Travel Office refused to comply.
She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired.
This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation.
Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds.
A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.
>>51920280
why would you assume it's his job to know who and who doesn't control the internet you faggot?
>>51920575
Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.
Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.
Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the "bimbo eruption" and scandal defense.
Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle was: She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones. She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's Investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. Hillary's devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his
Subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.
Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice
During the Starr investigation by repeating, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" a total of 56 times while under oath.
After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, China, and artwork that she had stolen.
>>51920614
the truth of the matter is its going to come down to Clinton vs Trump. Sanders doesnt have a chance, and the GOP would be committing suicide by not using trump.
I'll take trump over that wretched witch every day of the week.
>>51920525
If you aren't a troll, you're just stupid.
I'll give you a hint. This very topic is about something Anti-American that Trump fucking said during a live debate.
>>51920497
Trump's original statement was:
>We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way.
This is self-evidently retarded and he's backpedaled on it since he's not completely senile yet. With the new "clarifications," Trump's proposal is literally nothing new and shit that the government is already doing anyway so it's a moot point.
>>51920671
So you can't back up your argument and instead you're falling back on the "GUISE ITS 2015 WE CANT SAY THAT" marxist bullshit, huh?
I'm going to also guess you think he wants to kill all muslims and deport all immigrants too, right? Why do you even talk about politics if you clearly don't know anything past your local station's hi-lights?
>>51920687
You didn't say what was retarded about it.
>>51920707
>You didn't say what was retarded about it.
Are you serious? Specifically naming Bill Gates is moronic. You can't seriously close up the internet. Terrorists know how to use tor and VPNs. I'm not saying to ignore the internet part of the equation, but Trump's suggestion is shit we already do.
>>51920707
>So you can't back up your argument and instead you're falling back on the "GUISE ITS 2015 WE CANT SAY THAT" marxist bullshit, huh?
>I'm going to also guess you think he wants to kill all muslims and deport all immigrants too, right? Why do you even talk about politics if you clearly don't know anything past your local station's hi-lights?
What the flying fuck are you blabbering on about?
First of all, more like "It's past the year 1787, we can;t do that" because the shit he says is unconstitutional, hence "anti-american"
If you want to take away the freedom of americans, you are simply anti-american. It's that fucking simple. If you read a single god damn thing in this thread, with 319 posts that back me up, you would realize this. I don;t need to "back" myself up, because I'll only be speaking into an echo chamber. You already know exactly what examples I'm going to give, because they were given thousands of times.
But nah, you're actually fucking retarded, made evident by that "kill all muslims, deport all immigrants" assumption that came out of fucking nowhere and had nothing to do with anything.
>>51920756
So let me get this right, you're calling out Trump, a businessman turned political, for being technically inept? Stop the presses. It's almost like the presidential cabinet exists for these kinds of situations!
>>51920827
It's poor judgment to throw out suggestions into the public without even doing simple google searches to see if it's feasible. And yes I will criticize him or anyone else for lacking basic knowledge on how technologies we use every day work.
>>51920785
>What the flying fuck are you blabbering on about?
So you don't even keep up with politics at all, yet you feel you have a right to talk about them. Okay.
>because the shit he says is unconstitutional, hence
"anti-american"
What has he said that is unconstitutional?
>If you want to take away the freedom of americans, you are simply anti-american.
What freedoms does he want to take away from Americans?
>If you read a single god damn thing in this thread, with 319 posts that back me up, you would realize this.
I've been around the thread since last night, and no, there's nothing backing your claims up, unless the only news you read are headlines and a few select quotes.
>You already know exactly what examples I'm going to give, because they were given thousands of times.
Quoting big media which has a CLEAR bias against Trump? Well yeah, I figured that.
>But nah, you're actually fucking retarded, made evident by that "kill all muslims, deport all immigrants" assumption that came out of fucking nowhere and had nothing to do with anything.
Because most people who feel so strongly about Trump have never and probably will never actually take a serious look at his policies.
>>51920881
>So you don't even keep up with politics at all, yet you feel you have a right to talk about them. Okay.
Yep. You're a troll. In no way was I referring to politics and you fucking know it. I was referring to YOU and your dumbass "assumption."
Protip: Trolling is an art. Pretending to be a retard still makes you retarded.
>>51920881
>What has he said that is unconstitutional?
Trump supports the surveillance state which is unconstitutional if you support the 5th amendment.
>>51920874
>It's poor judgment to throw out suggestions into the public without even doing simple google searches to see if it's feasible.
He basically said he wanted to get experts to do whatever they can to limit ISIS's activity online. Did he say it in an incredibly awkward way? Yes. But that doesn't mean his idea is retarded. Like you said, it's already being done.
>And yes I will criticize him or anyone else for lacking basic knowledge on how technologies we use every day work.
Did you ever vote? If so, you voted for someone who doesn't know shit about technology.
>>51920913
>In no way was I referring to politics
Are you kidding me?
>>51920927
>If so, you voted for someone who doesn't know shit about technology.
Nice assumption.
>trump
nice meme, murica
>>51920921
Do you think anyone, even Rand, would be able to do anything about the NSA? Even though they've been operating without any accountability for years now?
>>51920938
So which president did you vote that knows about technology? Or are you going to say you didn't vote in any general elections?
>>51920968
Yes, he can just not fund them.
>>51919317
muricans can easily buy guns from walmart, some gun loving idiots are more likely to kill you than cops or ISIS.
>>51920998
>some gun loving idiots are more likely to kill you than cops or ISIS.
That's probably not true unless you're black and live in the inner city. Guns are a red herring though.
>>51920990
You'd need the support of congress to do that. Not to mention that mass surveillance is considered constitutional, like it or not. That's how our judicial system works.
>>51921017
>shooting in school
>shooting in movie theater
you sure about that?
>>51921030
No you don't. A president can just veto their funding increases whenever it comes up in bills. Plus Rand would veto other bullshit bills that get pushed through congress and take away our human rights. There's plenty he can do about it. Trump, on the other hand, is perfectly okay with all of that shit.
>>51921047
>Both gun free zones
Meanwhile two muslims tried to shoot up a "Draw Mohammed" contest in Texas that resulted in their deaths and no one else.
>>51921047
Statistically insignificant events. Cops shoot more people than active shooters.
>>51921061
Congress has the power to override vetos you know.
As much as I'd like Rand in office, I don't believe he'll magically the surveillance state. What makes you think they just won't hide it better next time? Even Obama didn't know all the details.
>>51921065
and?
it still doesn't change the fact that people in murica are getting killed by some idiots with guns.
>>51921119
Yeah it takes 2/3s of the vote which pretty hard to do. A president Rand wouldn't be able to dismantle surveillance state all by himself, but he'd actively work against it and slow its growth as much as possible like he's done in Congress. That's far better than any other candidate besides maybe Bernie (I think he's been consistently against it as well).
>>51921138
Are you surprised by this? Of course a country with guns is going to have more deaths by guns. The number of people killed in mass murders however isn't even 1% of all people murdered in the US. Hell, I think it's not even 1% of all GUN murders if I remember right.
>>51921065
>Meanwhile two muslims tried to shoot up a "Draw Mohammed" contest in Texas that resulted in their deaths and no one else.
That was probably the most successful honeypot I've ever heard of.
The FBI wastes all its time trying to entrap really dumb people by befriending, indoctrinating, and pressuring them. Meanwhile some Texas yahoos just did something offensive, knowing full well it would probably draw the ire of actual would-be-terrorists, and put armed guards outside.
It's almost as clever as when police started calling deadbeat dads and people with warrants, saying they'd won some prize and needed to come by the lottery office to pick it up, then arrest them when they presented ID. Oh man, I love that one.
>>51921600
Actually the best part is that it wasn't even one of the highly armed guards that shot them. It was a single patrolmen with a glock that took out two guys in body armor and assault rifles.
>>51921673
>assault rifles.
They were full auto?
>>51921702
I don't think they ever released what weapons the terrorists had, but they explicitly said assault rifles which means they had the capability to go full auto by definition. Of course, using full auto against one guy is pretty stupid and maybe that's why they lost that fight.
>>51921748
>they explicitly said assault rifles which means they had the capability to go full auto by definition.
Yebbut the media has never once gotten that right.
SKS? Assault rifle.
Norinco AK variant? Assault rifle.
Mini 14? Probably an assault rifle if they grew up watching The A-Team.
Ruger 22 with a synthetic stock and banana clip[1]? Assault rifle
[1] fuck anybody who even thought of blurting "magazine!"
>>51921787
I think you're mixing up assault weapons with assault rifles. The latter is pretty well defined. Nonetheless, this is according to the police.
>>51921827
>I think you're mixing up assault weapons with assault rifles.
No?
>The latter is pretty well defined.
...yet the media calls scary looking rifle an "assault rifle".
>>51921865
You are definitely mixing things up. The political and media scare tactic term is "Assault Weapon."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
Assault rifle is very well defined and not a misused term. According to the police, the terrorists were in possession of assault rifle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2015/05/03/garland-curtis-culwell-center-swat/26848435/
>>51921916
>The political and media scare tactic term is "Assault Weapon."
>Assault rifle is very well defined and not a misused term.
Uh. No.
I think you're on crazy pills. Or you've spent no time reading the news in the last two decades.
>>51921997
Did you just not click anything I linked you? You're just mixing up the terms here. I probably exaggerated the non-ambiguity of "assault rifle" but generally that term is used correctly.
