Daily reminder that JavaScript is one of the worst languages that has ever existed
>>51897685
if(OP == faggot){
//Do something
}
Just use Java. That's better!
>>51897685
>I'm too stupid to understand the language, so the language is dumb
>I'm too stupid to understand we need a lightweight JIT scripting language for some purposes as opposed to always running bigass compiled exes in their own isolated environments for everything, so the concept must be stupid
function faggot() {
Object.defineProperty(this, "isFaggot", {
configurable: false,
writable: false,
value: () => true
})
}
const OP = new faggot();
Also one of the best, simply because it has millions of programmers writing what is basically a shitty Lisp with no macros. I give it 10 years until Lisp is used for near-everything. Python and Ruby are also very close to Lisp (though not as close as JS) and even Java/C++ are adding new features to be more like Lisp.
>>51897976
I didn't say the premise of JavaScript was bad, it's awful for what it's worth too.
You're confusing Java with JavaScript.
So if JavaScript is so bad why is it popping up everywhere? NodeJS, EmberJS, PhantomJS, this JS and that JS and everything under the sun JS?
>>51897685
js is the future.
>X is bad
>Doesn't explain why
>>51898007
>Lisp
>>51898769
Because it's the only thing available
>>51897976
what a fucking ugly piece of vode
that shit makes no sense
>>51898797
>posts anime
>Doesn't explain why
>>51898843
>Programming Language
>JavaScript
It even has script in the name...
>>51898879
>Because it's the only thing available
Simply not true. There is also HTML programming.
I mean I think it's a great language; but that's because I am not retarded and can readup on how to program in it. Rather than trying to figure it out myself
pro tip don't try to do js yourself if you know nothing about it. You will probably end up doing EVERYTHING wrong.
>>51898903
I'm not an animefag but this shitty site is an *anime* image board
>>51897685
I agreed, hipster shit needs to die and we need to embrace php like the poo poo Indian faggots we all are.
>>51898959
>this shitty site is an *anime* image board
Simply not true.
>>51898959
Its actually an image bored for all things Japanese (originally). Japan is not just anime.
>>51898962
PHP is not a frontend language.
>>51898959
[citation needed]
>>51898944
>HTML programming
>>51897685
True, but same thing applies to C, Python, PHP, Lisp (all of them), Haskell etc pp so who gives a fuck.
>>51898843
what do these numbers mean?
>>51897685
does it work
>yes
is it easy to learn
>yes
is it simple
>very yes
does it run on everything
>yes
so whats wrong with it OP
>>51897976
LOLOKEK! Is that OOP in JS?
Why don't you just kill yourself m8? It will be easier for you and your soul.
>>51899678
>so whats wrong with it OP
UGLY
G
L
Y
and only retards are using it. literally cancer.
>>51897976
you could've you shortened it down to:
i_am_a_huge_faggot_please_rape_my_face()
>>51897976
The idea is okay, the implementation is what's bad.
>>51899748
>literally
a) Cancer
b) JavaScript
Pick one.
>>51899748
the only good thing about JS is that it keeps the niggers away from real programming
wouldn't want to work with those faggots
>>51899817
>the only good thing about JS is that it keeps the niggers away from real programming
6 mil. times this
>>51897976
Perfect example of how shit javascript programmers are.
>>51899025
>[citation needed]
>>I'm not an animefag but THIS SHITTY SITE IS AN *ANIME* IMAGE BOARD
>> - >>51898959
>>51898944
>There is also HTML programming.
>>51897685
> Regurgitates meme like anyone cares
Welp, here's your reply, OP
>>51900290
Petitio principii
>>51898944
>Programming
>>51900409
>logic
>internet
Pick one.
>>51898920
Scripting is programming. You don't have to compile the code to call it porgramming. Retard.
>>51898944
>HTML programming
Nice one. I will now go to program some docx with my Microsoft Word.
>>51900517
Not mutually exclusive.
>>51900547
butthurt js/php "developer" detected
>>51900517
Not pertinent.
>>51900631
I'm not even mad :)
>>51900660
Forgot to say I'm nodeJS developer :)
>>51899817
This is actually so true. Currently living above a "full stack developer" (he's just enrolled in one of those 10 week bootcamps and thinks he's gods gift to all programmers) and he never shuts up about how great JavaScript is and everything is in the DOM and it's taking over the world and that who needs C/C++ or anything else because JavaScript is better in every conceivable way.
>>51900631
Even though JS and PHP and incredibly easy, they're still some kind of programming... I guess.
>>51899817
>>51900700
it saddens me greatly that even though I have quite a lot of desktop/embedded projects, every recruiter so far looked at my professional experience being webdev and said "nope, thanks".
god dammit, I want to get out of this web "development" shithole.
>>51897685
Yeah, whatever, your personal whining a.k.a. opinion, doesn't matter.
Javascript is gonna evolve faster than all your precious PLs and it's going to run on almost any conceivable hardware. Possibly it will replace C and C++, eventually.
>>51897737
I hope you don't use == with js.
"use strict";
>>51900802
>Possibly it will replace C and C++, eventually.
The fuck I'm reading!?
I work with Javascript. I don't need this reminder
>>51901100
That's what hipsters working with js think.
>>51898920
"Scripting language" and "programming language" aren't mutually exclusive terms, you dumbass.
>>51901186
>"Scripting language" and "programming language" aren't mutually exclusive terms, you dumbass.
>Having sex with a female
>Jacking off on a gay porn
The same.
Go kill yourself. Really.
>>51901100
Yeah, once WebAssembly picks up speed, developing desktop applications becomes unnecessary. The browser is the new OS, the web is the new computing platform.
Just look at your computing patterns. Where are you spending time mostly? In desktop applications or on the web/in the browser?
I, for one, rarely spend time in desktop applications, when I use a PC. What does this say about how much worth is it to develop in C/C++ for the desktop? Very few people end up doing OS-level work, so the rest are involved in desktop applications, which today are getting replaced by more and more free online/cloud apps. How many desktop applications have you installed lately? How many desktop applications reviews have you seen lately?
So yeah, the web is where it's at.
> Where are you spending time mostly? In desktop applications or on the web/in the browser?
Uhh...isn't the browser a desktop application?
>>51900901
/language
>>51901468
Once wasm picks up it's good night for JS.
I already dug a hole, and am practicing my dance.
The only really good point about JavaScript is that it is a prototype OOP-language. Doing prototype OOP seems to me much more natural and powerful that the class-based bullshit you get with languages like Java.
What happened to typescript?
Is it dead?
Seemed like a good fix for javascripts main weakness.
>>51901571
I think M$ is still running with it.
But they're not important anymore.
>>51901530
Oh yeah, right, the future is in everyone going back to C/C++ and taking long-ass times to develop in compiled languages. Sounds about right.
Why would you even need JS for that? You can already do that, doh?
>>51901640
Mate, JS has a monopoly. Everything now compiles to JS, so you can't do better than JS. Asm.js fell short, but wasm truly does away with JS.
Once you see how much faster client-side can execute things, and how good static typing is (as opposed to dynamic typing only good for small scripting projects), you'll turncoat as well.
And you'll be better off for it.
>>51901468
>The browser is the new OS, the web is the new computing platform.
When the browser become OS it is not browser anymore and therefore it is a platform but not web. Web is just a protocol you retard.
Your stupidity is exactly what's wrong with JS, webdev and modern day "coding" in general.
>>51901800
the web is not a protocol, you're being retarded here
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pdlgubl.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>51898893
Congratulations, you don't know js then.
TL, DR: this.isFaggot = ... would be rewritable, defineProperty makes it readonly. Using () => {} is preferred over function() {} in certain situations.
>>51899690
>OOP is bad in a multi-paradigm (including OOP)
ok m8
>>51899785
>>51900172
Explain. See first paragraph about non-rewritable property.
>>51901800
I think you mean http/s is a protocol, you fucking idiot.
Jesus Christ, the level of stupidity on /g/ staggering.
stop resisting JS, its for your own good :^)
>>51901818
>the web is not a protocol, you're being retarded here
>HTTP
>not protocol
that's what I'm talking about. you clearly do not know what you're doing. it is very likely that you're an idiot.
>>51897685
>>51901871
>I think you mean http
Of course you fucking faggot. You can't have "web" without "http".
>>51898944
html is a perfect programming language but people will shit on it for being too easy to understand and too efficient
>>51901895
> backpedaling
>>51901800
The web has a crapload of protocols, you spastic retard. I was the guy you were replying to, btw.
>>51897685
Every markup language is an order of magnitude worse.
le java and javascript R so bad guyzz xD xD Haskell or gtfo
>Noone uses Haskell in the real world. Java and JS most prominent languages in the workplace.
>>51901729
Obviously, but static typing is coming to Javascript in ES7. You will be able to use static typing in JS in a few years without using Typescript or some shit like that.
>>51901983
Can confirm as a java dev working for a major company in my country that branches into other companies and government. Java and js 99% of everything.
>>51901842
>using poorly supported ES6 syntax
Clearly you don't write production code.
>>51901941
>The web has a crapload of protocols, you spastic retard. I was the guy you were replying to, btw.
LOL! Really? Like REST and SOAP who all run over HTTP?
Kill yourself.
>>51902031
Transpilers are a thing
![3412168[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iRte8tG.jpg "3412168[1].jpg")
>>51902031
>current day standard
>poorly supported
You must have a pretty shit workplace if you can't use es6 yet, pal. You working with dinosaurs and 90s programs or something?
And in case the answer isn't obvious yet, yes I do. Maybe not in old, predating projects, but any recent projects are es6, java 8, etc by default.
>>51902100
Seconded. Also, I've always been a server side dev, even when working on web apps I've preferred working on the back end, but every time I come on /g/, the web dev general.is full of people actually trying to give unbiased opinions, help and guidance to others regardless of technical skill. Compare that to the dpg, or even this thread, where all the dipshits who go on and on about lisp and c/c++ etc are just constantly bitching and shitting on other people's thoughts or language choice or whatever trivial detail they can use.
This is why JavaScript is so big now, who the fuck could be bothered listening to and working with these old school server side devs who bang on about how we should all be writing in fucking Haskell and how JavaScript is cancer and whatever the meme phrase of the day is
>>51902053
>FTP, IMAP, POP, SMTP, SSH...
Careful with that salt. It can raise your blood pressure.
>>51902100
>>51902222
M8 JS is a pleb tier. But the "startup culture" is inflating the ego of these plebs and is making them to speak about obvious nonsenses like browser based OS or Drivers and Compilers made in their shitty lang. Which is retarded and can't be considered serious at all and at this level of conversation it is better to start talking about traps and incest instead of JS.
That's all.
>>51902274
>FTP, IMAP, POP, SMTP, SSH...
KEK! How many browsers are using natively these you JS pleb?
Not to mention that SSH and FTP cannot be even considered "web" tho. These are network protocols not web.
As I said. Kill yourself. It is the easiest path for your destiny.
>>51902274
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(disambiguation)#Computing
>>51902423
>30 year old company, part of the group that owns all IT in the country
>startup
And I didn't say anywhere that web OSes and compilers written in JS and whatnot aren't meme porjects. All I'm defending is js as a language and its use in combination with html and css. I only made 2 or 3 posts so far and you know them.
>>51902423
I'm not questioning whether or not JavaScript is a good language, and I get what you mean about browsers as OS bollocks, I'm saying that devs on this board who are more inclined towards traditional languages and desktop programming etc are too busy having retarded flame wars amongst each other and shitting on peoples attempts at coding, regardless of where they are on the technical skill spectrum, rather than helping others and trying to foster a positive culture around those kinds f languages and development. Compared to the web devs, yes they can spout some serious shit and go all preachy and philosophical without any form of background knowledge, but when it comes to helping each other and actually giving sound advice, they're head and shoulders above the server side guys
>>51902573
You're making me wonder if people calling themselves backend devs and whatnot just have a speciality in it or if it's really all they know. I mean, a dev who can only do backend stuff and knows nothing of frontends, or does only frontend and knows zilch about backends, sounds useless af and completely undertrained to me, not to mention it doesn't take much to go from knowing how to work in one to knowing how to work in the other. 90% of it overlaps and the remainder is just the difference in languages and libraries/platforms, and a tiny fraction of state, (a)sync, files/db vs web requests, etc.
>>51902510
>>51902573
I agree lads. You're right.
>>51902671
>dev who can only do backend stuff and knows nothing of frontends, or does only frontend and knows zilch about backends, sounds useless
Some people just can't stand fine-tuning html and css or animate shit with JS. Others are way too dumb or lazy to build a solid logic.
It is personal I think. It's the same reason that we have more females into front-end instead of the back-end.
Just different mindsets.
>>51902053
What can you use Ecma16 with IMAP?
>>51901468
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Chrome, is in fact, GNU/Chrome, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Chrome. Chrome is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Chrome”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Chrome, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Chrome is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Chrome is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Chrome added, or GNU/Chrome. All the so-called “Chrome” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Chrome.
Any reason not to use Coffeescript?
>>51902785
Pixel-fucking is something that takes patience and experience, yes. But that's more than what I meant. I meant more like the general flow of how certain UIs work, what kind of data they need and such: eg angular needs REST points whereas php can be linked a little more tightly, that sort of stuff. The backend devs should at least be aware of how the frontend works, excluding trivial shit like how this is aligned to that.
>>51904177
It has 0 adoption, 0 advantages of typescript, and was developed literally for the purpose of wasting time as opposed to typescript which has been adopted, is supported and is developed for its purpose.
Anyone using coffeescript is retarded. It should just die off already.
>>51904207
Same for the frontend devs btw: they should be aware of things like how repetitive data GETs will map to database calls and how it will affect performance and such.
>>51901468
>Just look at your computing patterns. Where are you spending time mostly? In desktop applications or on the web/in the browser?
Desktop, mostly. When working, I might have Sublime, Sketch, Word, Photoshop, Skype, and a shitton of CLI software in a ton of terminal windows.
During leisure computer time, I'm watching videos with mpv which I've downloaded using Transmission, or listening to music with Vox, or playing native games via Steam.
The web is important and I love it, but none of the software I just listed would be better as a webapp- it would be far worse.
>this thread
>>51904177
I don't think it's ES15 compatible
>>51904250
This.
The web is useful but only for browsing. Actual tasks you get to after browsing to your goal are ALWAYS better performed offline.
>>51904250
Let me put it another way. How much time are you spending on a PC with your browser closed per your total time spent at the PC?
If you had to choose between not having access to desktop programs and not having access to internet/web, which would you choose?
>>51897976
idiot
>>51904346
It's certainly true that I always have a browser open, but that doesn't affect my point. Of course the web is critically important but I wasn't arguing otherwise- I was responding to
>>51901100
>Yeah, once WebAssembly picks up speed, developing desktop applications becomes unnecessary.
Which is silly. Web apps cannot compete with native ones. They can't even write to arbitrary files! They're sandboxed toys compared to proper software.
(You could make a decent argument that the web is sufficient for someone who only consumes content, I suppose. But certainly not for anyone who makes things.)
>>51904509
Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make. For casual, simple tasks, the web can be more than enough for most users.
Obviously, for professionals a desktop with decent hardware is still needed.
>>51904506
shitposter
>>51902222
>old school server side devs who bang on about how we should all be writing in fucking Haskell
>old school server side devs
>Haskell
This is what I'm talking about when I say JavaScript developers are all retarded.
Quads for quads.
>>51897976
>configurable:false
>writable: false
you just copied some webshit code and renamed a couple of things, eh codemonkey?
>>51904251
>if you think in javascript
What a terrifying life to have
>>51905478
I think it's worse to be a weeaboo t b h
>>51899748
I'm sure you think Python is pretty right, faggot?
>>51901571
It's still there. Last I heard some flash-in-the-pan trendy JS framework with wide adoption uses it now.
I just recently finished reading the handbook on the official page and it seems promising, or at least like it'll mitigate all the dumb shit I waste time hunting down because of Javascript's shitty dynamic+weak typing.
>>51905609
>all the dumb shit I waste time hunting down because of Javascript's shitty dynamic+weak typing
like what
i never run into problems with types
>>51901640
They have preliminary plans to specify basic GC primitives to support higher level languages in the long term.
https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/blob/master/GC.md
>>51899383
>>51900311
>>51900421
>>51900577
HTML is turing complete niggers
>>51905646
If you've ever passed a value of an incorrect type to a function and had the interpreter not provide an error message that pointed directly to the number of an exact line you needed to fix immediately before execution, you've had a problem with types.
>>51905751
>passing a value of incorrect type to a function
dont do that
>>51901842
>Explain.
-lower case name for a object constructor, if you were truly a professional you would have automatically done it correctly without even thinking about it.
-configurable and writable default to false, so you don't need those so why add them. Do you like bloat? Don't know the language?
-using arrow functions is retarded for cross browser support (its JavaScript, its irrelevant anywhere except the browser)
-using a function to just return true instead if just the value true. You like to over complicate things don't you.
This ones not really your fault but.
-using defineProperty to define a method. That's how ass backward JavaScript is.
-and finally because every JavaScript developer I've met is a whiny bitch.
>>51905808
In a language that allows types to be freely interchanged with each other and silently converts between types without explicit casting, it's bound to happen without your explicit intent at times. In fact it's such a known problem that people smarter than either of us have created an entire field of strong, statically typed-languages that prevent things like that from happening, and research is still ongoing.
If you've never encountered type errors while programming javascript, you should share your secrets with them.
>>51898843
why the fuck is anyone still using C for anything?
>>51902100
>You must have a pretty shit workplace if you can't use es6 yet, pal. You working with dinosaurs and 90s programs or something?
Funny, es6 just got accepted this year. Underage b&.
>>51899600
it's the ranking.
>>51905732
So you're a hyper text MARKUP language programmer. How does that feel?
>>51906094
Because it's useful for things, apparently things you have absolutely no clue about.
Will JS ever not be the source for 100% of vulnerabilities in web browsers?
>>51906421
>flash
>>51906421
>activeX
>>51906443
>>51906487
It's like I'm really in 1998
>>51906551
>implying that matters when you said literally 100%
alos post more of whatever that is
>>51897685
It's getting better, but it's still shit.
the new ES6 class syntax makes things pretty nice too, setting up objects and inheriting is much less clunky than it used to be by far (at the moment, only Edge supports it directly, and not by default, but since it's literally just nicer syntax and not really a new feature, you can preprocess that shit to work on browsers that don't support it yet)
Debugging JS is still a pain in the dick (you can do it, and you can do it effectively, but it's just not fun and there's a bunch of shit that'd be caught much earlier in other languages that you need to dig a bit in JS to deal with). TypeScript looks neat, and I should probably actually use it, it'd help things a decent bit.
>>51901468
most of my browser time is in 4chan (or looking at docs), most everything else I do is on the desktop
there's a bunch of people who really don't touch the desktop for anything (and/or don't need to), but I'm not one of them
>>51902031
what depressing shop do you work at and why aren't you using babel or something (a proper build environment autoconverts new low-support syntax whenever the file is modified so you can just set it up and forget about it)
>>51906073
>do state and type check for data when its type matters
>don't recast variables to different types like a fucking retard
Just because a language allows you to do something doesn't mean you should be doing it.
>>51906657
>only Edge supports it directly
>not being in the es6 secret club
Used to be one of the worst.
Love it or hate it(not a fan personally), it's becoming good AND is introducing programmers to things like functional programming(even if they refuse to see the benefits.) In 10-15 years it'll be amazing, until then we're fucked.
It's hilarious that the one language that never should have been popular became so fucking wide spread.
I can't remember who said it but to paraphrase, "JavaScript is an awful language with an amazing community. So amazing that it is capable of making such an awful language usable, and that's a shame, because that's the only thing that prevented something better from taking its place."
