ITT: Convince me not to roid
kys
>>37885862
Literally no reason not to other than:
>It's illegal in most countries
>Dubious quality of steroids, if I had a steady supply of pharma shit I would go HAM
>Can be hard to stay under constant supervision of a healthcare professional given that they're not openly allowed/illegal
>>37885862
Lurk /fraud/... that's actually what your gonna look like, not like a fitness model
>>37885862
If you want to go into a field like law, medicine, or academia people will know that you roid just from looking at you. and it will isolate you from your peers who work out to be healthy and maintain appearance.
If you compete in bodybuilding, plan on being poor and attracting somewhat trashy but fun women, or work in something shitty like sales or marketing go ahead and roid. It will make your life better.
Guys like Kimbo, Kevn Randleman, NFL players, WWE wrestlers are all dying early with problems related to steroids.
>>37885866
kick your shit?
>>37885898
That's not really true.
You're not just going to become insanely huge and start surpassing Ronnie Coleman.
>If you want to go into a field like law, medicine, or academia people will know that you roid just from looking at you
By the time you actually get anywhere in those fields you're 30+ years old anyways, at which point your natty test is dropping quite hard every year. A little bit of special muscle juice will just get you to above normal levels a lil bit
>>37885866
Fuck off and don't post if you're not going to add anything of value to this thread
>>37885914
kill your self
let's look at this objectively:
Pros:
>Faster recovery/gains
>More confidence
>Stronger
>More energy
Cons:
Possible side effects including but not limited to:
>hair loss
>gyno
>acne
>infertility
>messed up lipid profile
>blood pressure increase
Cons that can be mitigated:
>gyno (take an AI)
>hair loss to some extent (genetics)
>blood pressure with proper estrogen control/dosage. (AI, not overdoing)
>lipid profile: healthier diet, supplementation
It's ultimately on you OP. For me the pros outweigh the cons with proper usage.
>>37885930
By doing a very simple cost-benefit analysis, mild to moderate roid usage provides the most ideal value given Price - Health - Benefits(gains).
Of course when you cross over into Pro powerlifter/bodybuilder-tier and go too fucking far is when you screw yourself up though
When you stop you'll lose the gains you made as a result of roids.
>>37885930
Are roids more likely to cause acne if you're naturally prone to it?
My skin finally cleared up at 23 that's the biggest one I don't want to risk.
>>37885964
Why would you ever stop?
Besides, evidence seems to show that even a couple of cycles and then stopping has beneficial effects years after discontinuing usage.
>>37885970
>Are roids more likely to cause acne if you're naturally prone to it?
Depends on the causes of your acne.
I wouldn't blast tren though if you're known to have issues with backacne/chest acne.
>>37885904
no, they eat fists and tackles for a living. Plenty of guys do tons of roids and live long lives. Most guys who get punched in the face or use their heads as a battering ram for a living do not.
>>37885970
Yes for sure. I've always had bad acne and with roids deca will bring it out for me on my back.
Tren will bring it on my chest
Anadrol will put it towards my arms.
It's kind of weird but that's what I noticed.
A lot of the acne can be mitigated with more frequent dosages to keep blood levels stable.
>>37885962
Yes exactly. I only use test for right now because cost wise it's only 25 bucks a vial for me (lasts 5 weeks at 500 mg a week) and little to no side effects.
I can maintain and keep gaining at 250+ lbs.
>>37885919
I'm who you replied to.
That's a good point. I don't have any experience roiding, but I bet it takes a lot of work to get to OP's pic.
My original comment applies if you're taking supps and training hard to become as big as possible. If OP stays lean and smart and does a lot of cardio he can roid and pass as a genetically gifted natty in professional circles.
>>37885983
Conversely, I've never had any real acne in my life, so I wouldn't have to worry about it?
>>37886021
>Yes exactly. I only use test for right now because cost wise it's only 25 bucks a vial for me (lasts 5 weeks at 500 mg a week) and little to no side effects.
>I can maintain and keep gaining at 250+ lbs.
Exactly.
Moderate test blasts/cruise gives you TONS of gains above natty and yet is cheap, no negative side effects and effective. Whereas going balls to the wall Mast/Test/Tren/oral is going to fuck your shit up in some way.
>>37886023
Most roiders don't look insanely huge.
Take a look in your gym at 40+ year old guys who are pretty strong and quite lean. They're probably on TRT-tier doses. They look pretty good for their age but they're not monstrosities in any sense of the word.
>>37886025
Shit affects people differently man.
some people get TERRIBLE bacne from even moderate doses, some don't get any at all. see for yourself.
>>37885983
>I wouldn't blast tren though if you're known to have issues with backacne/chest acne.
Fuck. Yeah according to my derm I have hormonal acne.
Guess I'm rolling testless in this life.
>>37886099
Test doesn't usually render such issues
Have you tried accutane?
I did 80mg for 5 months and now I never worry about that shit
>>37886065
Interesting. I'll probably roid when I hit 25 or 26 based on this information.
>>37885862
Scott has all his hair, unlike baseball cap there.
>>37886120
Jeremy Buendia has all his hair as well.
>>37886105
>Test doesn't usually render such issues
Ah so only certain roids have these sides?
>Have you tried accutane?
Yes it worked wonderfully, but my doctor refuses to prescribe it to me now, I was about to get it from another doctor when another MD I really respect told me not to.
I tried the topical stuff it actually worked somewhat too, but I still get small breakouts every now and then.
>>37885930
If I have raging hard-ons each morning, can achieve a rock-solid erection with just my imagination, can fuck again after about 2 minutes of cumming, am always horny, etc... as a natty.
If I hop on test enanthate 500mg for 6 weeks and don't do any kind of PCT, will it fuck my libido?
That's the one thing I'm afraid of losing. I'm naturally really high in test, I'm afraid of disrupting that system... (1000+ ng/DL in my thirties)
>>37886174
>If I hop on test enanthate 500mg for 6 weeks and don't do any kind of PCT, will it fuck my libido?
Explain why you would only do 6 weeks of a long ester?
Enanthate takes about 4 weeks to get to peak levels, you're not going to feel shit until then. It makes NO SENSE to do less than 14 weeks.
>Don't do any kind of PCT
Explain why the heck you would not do PCT?
>>37886232
>Explain why you would only do 6 weeks of a long ester?
I don't aspire to cruise my entire life... I want to take some kind of easy cycle and see if I like it or not.
>Explain why the heck you would not do PCT?
see above. I don't even take acetaminophen tablets. I literally only consume meat, vegetables, fruit, dairy and cannabis. I don't like pills. I don't particularly like injecting shit into my body either. But I understand enough about sterons to know that simple test is as 'natural' as a steroid can be
Also not everyone spends their time reading about test doses and cycles and pct and shit. Don't fly off the handle, I was just asking a question.
>>37886276
>>37886232
>>37886174
This is debatable, with no PCT you're going to take a while to recover. During that recovery period your labido will significantly be reduced and so will your test levels.
Now it has yet to be proven if doing a cycle permanently affects your overall total T. I have yet to find a definitive answer.
From personal experience I feel like it does lower total t even months after cycling.
From a scientific point of view there seems to be too many variables to account for in order to really prove a causation.
>>37886331
thanks ghandi
once I hit 35 if I see the levels start dropping I'm definitely hopping on some kind of 250-500 test cycle. I just feel like I won the test lottery and I dont really want to fuck that up until I have to.
I'll look into pct a bit more and come holler at you guys in /fraud/ when I'm ready. Cheers
>>37886276
>>37886369
6 week cycle makes no sense whatsoever.
You might as well not roid if you're going to do something dumb like that. PCT is necessary
Sup /fit/
I've been thinking about gearing recently and been reading quite a bit about it across the interweb and need some help deciding on a few things.
First some background:
>just turned 21
>always worked out in hs for sports but just now getting back into it heavily
>great diet, that's easy for me
>great workout, also easy for me
Now what I'm unsure of is what type(s) of gear I should use if I do choose to do so, and what kind of cs and pcs I should use. There's so many different options and it's hard to decide using the internet because everyone just wants to push their own products.
I am naturally a skinny fag so I'm basically always bulking, from what I've read Dbol is very effective for fags like me, is this true /fit? Also what kind of supports should I use with this?
If I do gear I don't plan on doing it often, only as a boost to what I'm already doing, because what I'm already doing is making me gains.
>>37885862
If left is natty achievable I don't need roids
>>37886443
it's not
>>37886432
Don't gear til you reach the natty limit.
Lift seriously for about three years and then decide if you want to use gear but using it as a dyel will be a waste
>>37886446
It is achievable for those who stay consistent, stay on top of their diet and lift seriously for 5+ years
>>37886432
yeah brah just do a dbol only cycle why you're DYEL
100mg a day until you can cut diamonds with your nipples
>>37886446
>scott herman
>on roids
KEK
why are you so easily impressed? watch his videos
>>37886421
wow, if it makes people as salty as you are I think I'll pass. Calm the fuck down
Natty is more aesthetic (better proportions) and better for getting laid.
>>37886446
nice b8 faggot
I'm bigger and leaner then herms as a natty
>>37886577
[citation needed]
>>37885862
>Look like you lift in clothes
>Look like you lift naked
Natties can only pick one
>>37886694
my citation is that Scott Herman is natty and he isn't even that large or cut for a natty, either. If you think you need roids to achieve that physique either your programming or diet is wrong, or you are just a bitch who doesn't lift.
>>37886065
Legitamite question: where does one obtain roids?
I have absolutely no experience with them other than when I was younger I was told they are terrible for you and will make your dick shrink.Now that I am much older I know that's bullshit so I have been thinking about using but I need to be hardcore redpilled..
>>37886734
/fraud/ or /r/steroids will probably send you some via post
>>37886723
I know that Scott is natty
I want to see how you're bigger and leaner than Scott yourself with evidence
>>37885862
Ok. If you get on gear, you can never hop off. This means you will never get more than a one night stand with a worthwhile girl. That down to earth nurse or lawyer qt will never marry you once she finds out you're on gear. Then you'll have to choose between her or gear, then you'll hop off gear and look like a 2 year old prune for the rest of your life.
>>37886819
>dating lawyers
>ever
>>37885862
depends on what youre lifting for
if its for asthetics (aka lifting to look good, assuming for girls)
the roid look they dont like...
they like more ottermode
so cut to get lean and dont get freakish big and da girls will like you then
>>37886023
Meaning you had no idea what were you talking about and yet you spoke anyway.
Pharmacists and doctors have as much of idea of what's possible natty as any other folks. They usually know nothing about lifting.
>>37886454
But that's the thing I'm past dyel, I had a pretty big head start since i lifted for about 14-19 and got pretty large/strong, and of recent i've just been gaining back what I lost during a year of college(basically put on 10lbs fat and lost strength) but I've been working my ass ass for about 4 months and I'm almost back at where i left off which was plateauing at around 170lbs, lost the fat, and my lifts aren't going to keep going up for long.
>>37886867
Wrong, it's worth doing one cycle of tren to get dat dere trenface as well as running clen when you want to get below 8% bf. Also what girls say they like and what they actually like are completely different things, the aesthetic/physique body (e.g. Jeff, Guzman, Zyzz) is what they like most.
>>37886833
I'm seeing a lawyer on the side now. One of the smartest girls I've met.
>>37885974
What? Sauce please, this sounds interesting
>>37887217
>One of the smartest girls I've met
That's why it's a red flag, I hope you're not naive
>>37885862
Hey, remember that one guy who decided not to take roids to be remembered throughout history?
Yeah neither does Arnold Schwarzenegger.
>>37886276
you're a fucking loser
>>37887302
Not him, but when you're settling down for a wife it's great to marry someone smart. Then again, lawyers probably have the highest divorce rates...
>>37885898
Brilliantly insightful.
>>37885898
I work in IT
Where does that place me?
I don't want my boyfriend to roid because I don't want his balls to turn into raisins and I want him to have a full head of hair.
Also it's illegal. I guess my reasons aren't too convincing.
Why would you lose legit muscle you put on while on roids? Wouldn't your body just dial down to your natty limit?
>>37885862
Guy on the left already looks better than captain dbol bloatface.
He should still roid tho, to get bigger arms/shoulders.
>>37887670
>Guy on the left already looks better
>He should still roid tho
>>37885862
I won't convince shit, why should we care if you take roids? Roids are for losers and so are you.
>>37885927
kys
>>37885862
What happened to Munzer
"Some of the specific autopsy findings were an extremely muscular physique with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat, a liver that contained numerous table tennis ball-sized tumors (with half the liver consisting simply of a crumbly mass that was similar to polystyrene), shriveled testes, and cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g). Münzer's electrolytes were also out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about 20 different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity..."
Fuck that. I'm staying natty forever.
IF your going to do it, do everything absolutely correctly.
Get bloods before during and after, have a proper AI and pct planned out, have extras for everything, do a round of hcg, have a perfect diet and routine before, during and after. All of this together, plus genetics that don't fuck you in the ass for taking roids (most people are okay, but it happens to some) and you can get by with great results, a little backne and being shutdown for a little while.
Unless you have some extreme reaction, or your susceptible to aromatisation, you will be fine. This is why the recommended first cycle is simple test e with an optional oral kick start, and nice simple and safe cycle that you can easily read if something goes wrong.
>>37886454
This is rubbish. Ask anyone who lifted naturally for 3-10 years before they hopped on, every single one wishes they had done it after 2 years.
A better recommendation is to complete minimum 2 years of training total, with at least one year straight of solid diet and routine (leading up to cycle).
That is more than enough, there is huge diminishing returns when you go past the 2 year point, which steroids completely shoot past.
>>37887537
I'm in IT to working for a defence company. We employ everything from QT girl apprentices to 45+ yr old cougars looking to find any man who will dick them as they enter the menopause years.
My co-worker roids heavily. Between his retard tier cycles he's either blasting and cruising test-prop or trying some kind of crazy new pro-hormone before sinking £1000's into bath tub shit for 10-14 week blasts.
Between working out, roiding and work he spends most his time raging on WoW/Overwatch or playing Multplayer Black Ops. He's not the most suave guy around and doesn't go clubbing. I'd guess...6/10 face too but has like two hard-drives full of pics and videos of girls he's fucked from meeting IRL and POF/Dating/Tinder etc.
In addition he has fucked alot of the female staff, so much so he times his cycles so that he will look juciest in December for the team party. I've caught him fucking two female apprentices in the same night and this HR Divorcee once asked him for a ride home and straddled him in his car as 'thanks'. It's sort of funny I guess but the thing I don't understand is that the women know they have all been fucked by him yet pretend to one another they haven't.
Overall I'd say in IT roiding lets you overcome an inherent perception in that people think you're a dweeb or a weirdo who watches porn and plays video games too much. If I talk about a game for example its a 'little lame' and I should 'find better hobbies and go out more' if he does it people literally say shit like 'You know I've always wanted to try video games!' or 'Wow are you like a professional game player?' It creates a halo effect that fucks peoples views up. Also since 90% of our job is doing stupidly fucking easy things like moving physical assets and implement change requests (resetting passwords, dishing out access rights etc) the younger apprentices think he's some kind of tech hercules and worship him.
>>37889286
Damn
I said convince me not to roid not the other way around
Thanks anon. Fuck
>>37889286
I'm in IT but I don't roid
I only work with nerds, sadly. Not even one woman in the 'office', although 90% of my work is done here from home
>pic related
>>37889417
>Not even one woman in the 'office'
>90% of my work is done here from home
>>37889417
Where are your lats?
>>37885862
unless you plan on competing, don't fuck up your body. take it from people like lee priest who have actually been in the business.
>>37886545
>wow, if it makes people as salty as you are I think I'll pass. Calm the fuck down
In what way am I salty?
I simply am informing you that what you suggested makes no sense. I'm not mad, or angered in any way. it just doesn't make sense what you're talking about doing
>>37889417
Thought you were married with kids vascubrah
When are you going to drop trip you nasty old junky creep?
Take out your trash. Get that dumbass tattoo removed.
>>37889417
LOL wtf am i looking at here?
why does it look like your body is in the middle of getting sucked into a blackhole?
>>37889635
I meant that at the 10% that I do spend in the 'office' (and it's not an office, it's some dudes' house) there are no women.
>>37889667
I just posted this exact pic in the CBT and first comment was
>Damn, nice lats.
get your shit together, /fit/
>>37889712
>/fit/ is one person
ok, your lats are so huge. Omg wow
>>37889700
>why does it look like your body is in the middle of getting sucked into a blackhole?
You might be higher then I am, idk
>>37889693
I am
neber
those are actually stuffed animals and kids' blankets. I just bought a new house in a new city
gettin dem dere mires in the new gym, actually
>>37886933
Shut your lowlife mouth you faggot, you think there's no telltale signs of steroid use a medical professional could spot from a mile off? Delusional.
Def keep going to those traditional chinese medicine doctors or reiki healers and die sooner for me though.
>>37889712
>it's not an office, it's some dudes' house
What exactly is your job?
>>37889724
I thought you were one dude using the trip 'Anonymous'
is that not how this board works?
post your body, Mr. Yates. I'd love to see your massive lats
>>37889732
I can't wait for the amount of cyberbullying you get on here to convince you to kill yourself
T B H
>>37889738
I'm a senior software engineer in a small IT firm
I just moved because promotion + huge raise + I work with a bunch of cool af stoners that know how to have a good time rather than some stuffy corporate POS gig
>>37886016
>implying WWE is real
Honestly though the average chad doing a cycle or two of light roids isn't going to take more years off his life than eating healthily and getting regular exercise adds. It's big cycles of weird shit, and cycle after cycle that people should avoid.
>>37889744
Dude I've been lurking here for a while now, a bit over 2 years. None of you faggots mean anything to me. I've seen the CBTs. The majority of you have no business talking shit, yet you do anyway.... Besides, if I couldn't take the bantz I wouldn't post, and I definitely wouldn't trip
>>37889763
no lats;dr
>>37889763
Too old; didn't read
Thinking of doing my first cycle next spring. Dbol kickstart weeks 1-6 with 500mg of Test e per week for 14 weeks.
Any critiques? I'm currently 6'2 210 but am cutting pretty hard to get down to 190-185ish.
>>37889786
>Too old; didn't read
>b-but scooby is cool though!
>>37889806
He's useful
Plus he even has visible lats breh
>>37889819
tb h, I don't like scooby's aesthetic at all
He looks like a fat dude who just happens to lift. I'm much more interested in achieving something like pic related. I'm even letting my hair grow right now
>tfw forever mirin' based natty sadik
>>37889876
This isn't natty though
>>37889947
>>37889947
whatever it looks natty enough to me
he looks way better before then he does now
>pic extremely related, based zane tho
>>37885862
girls prefer ottermode
you wont die
roids are for faggots
>>37890002
Are you saying that he looks better in >>37889876
than in the one with zane?
>>37889876
>natty
>>37885862
if that picture were an accurate representation of what you get from sticking with working natty vs roiding then for sure I would wanna keep it natty; the guy on the left is much closer to my goal body
>>37890018
absofuckinglutely
but, I'm not a homosexual nor a bodybuilder, so the huge roided out aesthetic is not appealing to me.
Take those two pictures and show them to 100 girls and ask them who they'd rather sleep with. If I would like the look of a human on steroids I would be taking steroids.
>>37885862
>buff bo burnham on the left
>>37890033
Yeah but you will achieve left when you're in your 30's if you start training at 20 years old
>>37889417
Dude. Take out your trash. The bandage on your shoulder isn't attractive either. It's sad. Turn it around. Stop roiding.
>>37889876
Haahahaha that's going to look hilarious on your old man face
youre like a walking midlife crisis I love it
>>37889753
So you have a job at a company that will fail. Nice goals there faggot
>mfw he wasn't good enough for corporate because he chose to "Hangout" with stoners instead of making it big
>>37885862
Guy on the left looks amazing. Guy on the right looks mentally disturbed
>>37889763
>mfw this loser cannot even take out his trash bag away from his disgusting and filthy mirror for a picture of himself to be appear a little less disgusting is proud of maintaining a trip for 2 years on a chinese dick shaft compression gear making forum
>mfw this loser hangs out with other stoner losers like himself and his focus on life is "making it" on /fit/
>mfw this shit tier degenerate is this hostile to strangers
>mfw I have no face
>>37890267
yeah, it's not gonna fail. I'm making bank. The company is making bank. They came and found me. We have a few HUGE contracts. I would start naming companies we have contracts with, but I don't want to dox myself. Just........ If you plan on taking an Boeing airplane at some point, do so with the confidence in knowing that Vascubrah has developed some of the software that helps it fly.
>>37890250
>old man face
hello newfag! I've posted face dozens of times, I literally look like I'm 18.
>>37890236
natty, and thats a nicorette patch under KT tape. I've finally decided to kick the habit. And like I said previously, we JUST bought a new house. We haven't unpacked yet, thats my kids' shit
>>37890297
yeah the mirror wasn't up in the old house, it's dirty af, been in the garage for years. I concede that point. and again, that aint trash
>mfw this stoner makes more money than you ever will, friend
>>37890317
>look like I'm 18
>>37885898
I work in biotech and no one really cares. Most people don't know even in biology what the natural limit is, or even that there is one. In fact a guy from my gym who I'm 99% sure is on the juice (or at least looks like it) is a medical doctor. Guy seems dedicated, does pretty well.
So no, it won't make you a social pariah at work. I do think it will make you a social pariah pretty much everywhere else, where you are just mr.muscles to everyone immediately. Like being the fat funny guy. It'd be annoying having to overcome that barrier all the time.
>>37890317
>>37890335
I changed my mind you're not a bad guy afterall you just should tripping that comes off as loserish big time there's a reason why supermang finally lernd myne
>>37885875
>sibling is FTM
>literally boxes of T
>too much of a pussy to start taking it
How do I get the balls to start /fit/?
>>37885962
No roids - no risk
Any steroids - some risk
Really only any pros if you are insecure or competitive enough to need the performance/size boost.
>>37890355
Chekd
Stop tripping**
>>37885862
No.
Don't do it.
Don't roid.
Stop.
Don't.
>>37890355
naw.. I like tripping. It avoids confusion, it avoids the
>I'm this anon, and ...
>not that anon, but... etc...
it adds entertainment value to my 4chan experience tbqh famalam
and like I said, idgaf what a bunch of autists think :^)
>mfw roided freaks either get extremely thin hair or go bald
>they wear caps forever
It's so funny to see these huge men have this crippling insecurity they'll NEVER fix.
I'm looking at you, Bradley Martin.
>>37890471
Caps are kinda cool doe desu senpai
>>37885898
Daily reminder that being on cycle at the job interview will guarantee you a job. Men can sense hormones and pheromones too and the interviewer will know you are the alpha male of the room ready for the job
>>37885875
the only other thing I can add to this is that it is crazy expensive. If you can afford the shit do it, stop being a pussy.
>>37890756
Not when you're turning 40 with an eternal snapback.
Or going out in the cold with a snapback.
Or living with a snapback, basically.
I would love to take steroids but seeing as how in 3 months Creatine changed my hairline, I am terrified to see what Test does. I would rather stop lifting all together and keep my hair than roid my ass off and be ripped and thicccc but bald.
>>37887198
And guys really like bimbo bodies with ass and boob implants. Except a 7/10 girl still doesn't have any trouble getting fucked, and very few guys are going to care if a girl is good looking and has small tits. God-like bodies are not everything in attractiveness.
>>37890362
Just do it
>>37889734
Cretin.
>>37885862
The natty limit is the most naturallly attractive bodytype.
>>37890351
Im imaginging some meathead that studied his ass off in med school just so he could prescribe himself test.
>>37890351
Fun fact but clinicians rate surprisingly high in illegal drug use, wouldn't be surprised if roids was also involved
>>37893734
This
>>37893716
>implying you can get to natty limit without the use of roids
>>37889417
Vascubrah, serious question. How're you training your calves?
It's fair to say they're your physique's achilles heel. How're you trying to bring them up?
>>37895827
It's either achievable natty or not
You're contradicting yourself
>>37886933
>doctors have at least 8 years of medical experience
>don't know anything about lifting
>implying they don't know anything about the human body
>pharmacists have at least 4 years experience with drugs
>implying they don't know anything about drugs
I bet you're that person who doesn't listen to his doctor's advice and instead listens to DYELs and random anons on /fit/.
>>37895838
I train my calves 3 times a week. Typical would be
>leg press - 4 sets 12-16 with 2pl8
>seated calf raise - 4 sets 12-16 with 1 to 1.5pl8 per side
Other than that, I do tons of biking, about 70-100km per week. I do not do any kind of running at all. I think if I'd start running I would probably get more calf. Calves are really hard to grow for some people... Im jealous af of fatasses with god-tier calves, tbqh
>>37895966
Doctors don't know shit about lifting though
>>37886276
bro you need to brush up on your knowledge before you even CONTEMPLATE roids. Go to the steroids subreddit
>>37896061
Same boat here. Find them near impossible to bring up regardless of routine. Might just do a GOMAD for a year and try and get savant-tier lard calves
>>37896181
>>37896061
my father is a DYEL (trail)running/cyclingfag
fucking shredded calves and tibialis anterior muscles
>>37885862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD_44xEEDjU
>>37896181
fuck calves. Check out brock lesnars and he's like 6'3 240 or whatever, he has no calves whatsoever. The nail in the coffin for me not training them is that I always see fat faggots who have double the size calves as me, so why bother, plus I can sprint 100m in 10.40 so I don't give a fuck
>>37896229
It's frustrating though because it's always the first muscle group to get called out by dickheads who've never stepped into the musky atmosphere of a gym in their life. Wish it didn't rustle my jimmies so much but there you go -_-
The fat calves are like fat tits AFAIC. Fucking cheaters.
>>37896289
Just bulk for 3 years and get fat person tier calves amongst godly strength
Do it faggot
> It's frustrating though because it's always the first muscle group to get called out by dickheads
this.
That and forearms in my experience, because its what people see when you wear a t-shirt and shorts. I find a good way to get over this is to not care wtf DYELs think or say.
same with fatceps.
>look at muh 17" biceps on my 25% bf frame
>oh vascu u only have 15" arms? DYEcurlbro?
>>37885862
Natty limit is more than impressive, almost too much for most normies. It takes longer to get there as well, but you'll stay healthier. Think in the long term and keep in mind normies are impressed skinny think faggots just because they're lean
>>37896407
What's the point of looking impressive is your mid thirties, early forties though?
>>37896543
>What's the point of looking impressive is your mid thirties, early forties though?
Everyone else my age is a bunch of pot-bellied dadbods
You wouldn't believe the amount of looks I get when I take my kids to swimming lessons. I'm pretty big on faithfulness, and my woman is beautiful and a literal 10/10 as a person, so I wouldn't.......... but do you know how many thirsty MILFS I could tag if I felt inclined to?
>>37896575
But I also want to look amazing in my twenties and right now I look dyel
>>37896641
Not him but work harder, fix your flaws and try to reach your natty potential before using steroids, they shouldn't be used as a shortcut.
>>37896665
I guess you're right
Thanks for the motivation anon
>>37895868
u can never get to the natty limit desu
>>37896575
how old are u vascu?
how long u been lifting?
any advice for a dyel fuccboi?
legit if ure natty then i dont need to roid ayylmao
>>37896733
Yes you can
See jeff Alberts
>>37896641
same as everyone else.
unless you are already very athletic, if you want to look amazing RIGHT NOW, hop on the juice.
other than that, don't expect to look like a fitness model in the first 2 years. Work on strength, work on diet, etc... rep 1/2/3/4, add more isolation, and keep getting dem protons. Don't drink calories, eat clean, typical bleh bleh
but the key to natty BB is patience, brother
>>37890954
>Implying the only head garment available is a snapback ball cap
>>37885891
this tbqh, most of them are fatjacked or >receeding hairline status because of the high test (mirin)
If you are genetically unable to build lean muscle or shit genetics in general then maybe.
Roiding still requires two things
>eat and workout
Injecting urself wont fix the work ethic...better to have a strong base before roiding imo also.
>>37896746
>how old are u vascu?
30 years old
>how long u been lifting?
this is a tough one... I've been lifting, on and off, since I've been in high school. Around the ages of 19-24 I was a total drug addicted alcoholic skeletor-mode loser., so no lifting. Around the age of 26 I started lifting again, but I was only doing bro-split type shit and not training my legs. Around when I was 28, someone showed me StrongLifts 5x5, and I started squatting and deadlifting. Pic related is basically when I started doing stronglifts and started browsing the internet to learn about what I was doing, and I started actually looking at things like protein intake, moderating fast-acting carbs, etc...
>any advice for a dyel fuccboi?
SS/SL is not a meme. You cannot build a house without a foundation. Don't neglect your legs. Eat clean, but eat big. Try to ditch liquid calories. I rarely drink beer. I get drunk on hard stuff instead.
>pic related is february2015 -> august 2015, when I first started running stronglifts
I wasn't DYEL af when I started, but I wasn't really ripped either.
>>37885862
>compensating manlets
bodybuilders look like clowns
>>37896879
ure like 5"10 right?
why do you browse /fit/?
is it fun to have children i want children tbqh
>>37890039
Breh, you're on /fit/.
Everyone here is fucking delusional and think freaking mutants like Richard Piano are attractive to normies
They are under the impression that huge roiders come off as anything but creepy
>>37887198
>Also what girls say they like and what they actually like are completely different things
> is what they like most.
Holy shit, you're the perfect /fit/ autist. How fucking delusional can you be?
No, your shitty role models aren't the epitome of attractiveness to anyone but you. Not like it really matters though, as you'll never even look like that.
>>37896913
>ure like 5"10 right?
im officially 178cm barefoot
>why do you browse /fit/?
entertainment, kill time between builds, etc.. I like online fitness communities desu, and plebbit is a fucking cesspool of morons, so I lurk here instead. Actually when I first started posting, I used the bantz and the insults as motivation. If any of you were here, you'd remember people gave me immense shit for my lats, and my lats have widened substantially since then.
tl;dr: I like it here.
>is it fun to have children i want children tbqh
i have two boys and they are cool af.
that being said, make sure you have all of your shit together before you have them.
Do you want to travel? Do you want a motorcycle? etc...
Do all of that shit first. Once you have kids, it's not about you anymore. its all about them. I wouldn't give them up for the world, but sometimes you do get FOMO when all your buddies get to go camping and you can't find a sitter.
>>37897045
this is like an interrogation
do you do cardio for maintaing low bf?
if u do how many sessions/week
how many calories do u burn a sesh
>pic related dis u right
>>37897261
>pic related dis u right
yep das it mane
>do you do cardio for maintaing low bf?
Summer - I like to use my bike to go places, rather than take a car. I'd venture about 70-100km a week, sometimes a bit more. I play golf most weekends, I walk and carry my bag. Very rarely I play tennis, bball, touch football, etc... I absolutely despise running/jogging if I am not playing a sport, so I refuse to do it.
During winter, I try to walk on a treadmill, max incline at 3.5 for 20 minutes, 3 times a week. I play pick-up hockey twice a week.
>how many calories do u burn a sesh
I have literally no idea. I don't count calories, I don't calculate macros, etc.. I have a pretty good diet, but tbqh I find counting calories to be autistic. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, if you are fat or underweight you should probably do it for a month or so to figure out how much you are over/under eating, but after that you should have a general idea of how much you should be eating and just rely on your best judgement.
In my experience and from the people I know irl, the only people that use MFP and wear a fitbit are lardasses.
NOTE- I was full-on keto around the time I took these dickskin pictures. I was eating MAYBE 30-40 grams of carb/day. I wanted to experiment, and it does work to get you shredded, but it's not something I could do long term. I'm eating pasta, potatoes, rice, etc... again now and I feel really good. But if ever I'd want to compete in physique or something like that, I would definitely go keto again.
You turn into an anal lubing faggot. Search up that one year transformation and check out his latest vids. He got hep, has anal lube in all his videos, practically needs his fix to function. Plus look at his swollen ass face, sorry bruh it's too bad for you. Fact are all there.
>>37897261
>>37897428
Ive been training for soon 5 months and my arms are bigger than yours, ever heard of training biceps triceps and forearms? fucking disgusting "Physique"
>>37897467
fatceps don't count. you know that right?
>>37897518
My weight is 197 6'2 come at me brah
>>37897467
>fucking disgusting "Physique"
kek
post a pic of your entire 5 month physique, lets let the anons decide bby :^)
>>37885862
Well its like a non alcoholic asking in a stressful life situation "tell me why i shouldnt go to the liquor store right now". Theres no right answer.
>>37897467
>>37897588
>never heard of angle
>never heard of low bf
ure physique is nice senpai mirin
>>37897572
Who gives a fuck about weight?
Pic related is 170lb at 6'
Go for it,fag.Go ahead and fuck your system up for life just so you can look like "a beast",impress gym homos,become generic instagram gymrat #91837 and MAYBE fix your body image issues and bigorexia but it will probably make it worse.
>>37885919
Im worried about gyno, I dont wan't that shit and that's the reason why im not on juice.
>>37897861
Learn to control your doses and get ai?
>>37897616
>theres no right answer
sooner or later you'll have to face your problems you can drown ur problems all u want with alcohol but it wont stop them from following you untill your 6 feet under
>>37887336
Schwarzenegger was also very lucky to escape premature death.
>>37885862
Scott Hermann is not on roids, you know.
>>37899494
>filename
If the only thing you have going for you is lifting why not roid.
But if you actually have a life and lift as a hobby then why bother.
What reason is there to roid other than your insecure, or want to become a professional athlete or bodybuilder. Its not like you need to roid to look good, or get laid.
>>37900472
>What reason is there to roid other than your insecure, or want to become a professional athlete or bodybuilder. Its not like you need to roid to look good, or get laid.
Because natural gains are non existent after 5 years of lifting
>>37900518
So what? Is that all that there is to do in life?
Plus you can always apply your gains to a different sport or lifting style, no matter how long you have lifted you can learn something new or improve.
Even after 5 years you could still make strength gains, even if its 5lb once every few months it will still be a PR.
>>37893756
I wouldn't be surprised at all. I hear from nurses that some of them take the left over 'skin patients don't use because its easy to keep off the books. Anyone dealing drugs for a living seems to gain a lot of confidence in administering and regulating drugs themselves that the general public is mostly scared off from.
>>37886276
>Also not everyone spends their time reading about test doses and cycles and pct and shit.
Maybe you should actually do some research before putting potentially harmful chemicals in your body.
