> keto
> intermittent fasting
> paleo
> vegan
> blood type diet
> eating "clean"
Literally only fat people believe in any diet that isn't "eat fewer calories."
If someone online talks about this stuff you should just assume they are fat.
My old college roommate did keto and lost 50 pounds. He didn't exercise or anything. The second he started eating normally again he gained it all back within a year. Huge rubber band diet.
>>37875501
>Literally only fat people believe in any diet that isn't "eat fewer calories."
Says the tard who doesn't understand micronutrients.
>>37875571
There you go.
Literally 0% of people who do keto stay lean unless they stay on it for life, then they die of hamburger poisoning anyway.
>>37875613
didn't know "eat fewer calories" meant "avoid a food group, particularly vegetables"
you autistic fuck.
here's your >you.
>>37875653
This. If you eat fewer calories it ends up being more vegetables just to make you feel full.
>>37875501
>eating clean is a meme
What the fuck
>>37875571
>nothing about calories he consumed
why do you think that anecdote means anything
>>37875653
You are literally saying that all diets mean JUST EAT LESS BRO XDDDD. Kill yourself you edgy fuck, I bet you just discovered /fit/ and now think you are hot shit for understanding what calories are. You are so cool man. So superior.
>IF
>a diet
what's next, maybe lowbar squat is a routine
>>37875752
u better not be talking shit about IF m8
>only fucking diet that allows you to consume big meals cutting and maintain enough of a reserve to allow for slight social binges and drinking
>>37875834
> making a lifestyle out of binge eating
> making it
pick one
>>37875501
>he doesn't know about insulin response
>he thinks eating clean is a meme
it's funny how transparent you calories-in-calories-out fags are. you're too stupid and ADD to learn about nutrition so you just desperately want to believe that it can all be summed up in a single equation.
>>37875834
exactly this
>>37875860
sounds to me that its only to have an excuse to have no discipline
IF just makes my deficit earlier, on top of not having to meal prep as crazy.
>>37875571
>eating normally again
And what was normally again retard? Fries, beer, ice cream...garbage that made him 50+lbs overweight to begin with.
The secret to keeping the weight off is maintaining your eating plan. No matter what "diet" you follow, if you abandon it to go back to ice cream and soda pop you will get fat again..
>>37875571
What do you mean eating normally? Like he went back to eating the same amount of calories he did before he lost the weight?
If so, no fucking shit. Not even a keto memester, but of course he'll gain weight if he goes back to consuming a large amount of calories.
However, if he kept track of cals and was eating at maintenance for his new weight there, shouldn't have been an issue, keto or no keto diet.
>>37875875
don't respond
the same contrarian sup-fags will write up exquisite load/deload programs based on literal meme science
>>37875876
this isn't the army retard
having variety will prevent you from seppukucide
>>37875900
it's this
dieting is a change to your lifestyle. a diet isn't temporary, it is a change you want to emulate.
what is a maintenance diet, Alex.
>>37875501
Gut microbes > diet
Just sayin.
>>37875501
>Go on keto
>Never hungry, never consume empty calories because there's nothing to snack on
>Get off keto
>Snack snack snack snack snack denunununu snack snack snack snack snack
I don't have the self control to only eat good carbs
>>37876388
>Gut microbes > diet
assplain yourself
>>37875501
>vegan
>meme
Literally the most healthy diet for a human. Humans are physiologically herbivores.
>>37877039
>Humans are physiologically herbivores
>>37875501
BOOMER!
>>37875501
>fat
>vegan
come on OP, try harder
>>37878028
>>37877039
well at least you're half right anon
>>37878028
>>37878050
Most potato chips are vegan.
>>37875501
keto is the funniest of meme diets, especially, that the only diet that works for losing weight is eating less and for gaining weight you need to eat more.
>>37878147
Actually Keto isn't a meme kiddo. Stop repeating stuff to try and be cool on the internet. It's sad.
>>37875744
You're a fucking idiot. He's saying that eating fewer calories doesn't mean you miss out on micro-nutrients. You can still eat large portions of highly nutritious foods while maintaining a low calorie intake.
You're misinterpreting what he typed, and you're coming across as petty. Improve yourself, or forever be an autistic fuck.
>>37878178
Well yes, it's a medical condition. Easily treatable.
>>37875501
any reasonable person that does IF knows that it won't make you lose more weight, but it is easier to adhere to
>>37875501
This bitch doesn't look keto. Am going to take 14,000 calories in empty carbs daily for $500, Alex.
>>37878189
God I really fucking hate kids.
Epic troll. Well done chubby.
>>37877893
>>37878068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmXynDLkbXY
wake up sheeple
>>37876523
I'm not the guy you're >>ing but in the most simple explanation, gut flora is needed to break down food and help or bodies break down nutrients. Bad gut flora interrupts our digestion process and our body fails to break down all the nutrients and minerals in our food. Gut flora is responsible for some of our hormone regulation as well.
Honestly a good diet supports healthy gut flora. Eating a diet rich in probiotics and fermented foods and void of highly processed food and alcohol helps tremendously.
>>37879265
vegan propaganda get fucked
>>37875501
Intermittent fasting helps eat less no?
>>37878028
fries, bear, soda, a lot of candy are all vegan
>>37875501
list is missing
Cleanse/Detox drinks
30 day challenges
>>37879265
so what man. humans weren't meant to wear clothes but we do it anyway. meat tastes good, so i eat it.
>>37875620
>Literally 0% of people who do keto stay lean unless they stay on it for life
So what's wrong with that?
>>37875900
I dont know why, but that filename made me laugh out loud. Poor Penn.
>>37877039
>physiologically herbivores.
We've been eating meat for hundreds of thousands of years. We've found fire pits with animal bones in them in caves that go back that far.
>>37879588
>asserting things without evidence
mate just shut the fuck up, you cannot defend killing animals without justification.
>>37875501
veganism isnt a diet and even if it was just a diet then eating fruit veg nuts seeds legumes and grains is not a bad thing.
>>37880470
yeah the fact that we ate animals while migrating or in need then it became custom does not mean humans are not physiologically more adapted to plant food.
How can you honestly think >muh ancestors is an argument
>/fit/
>>37880470
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/
not that it matters really, its irrelevant.. but just proving history is not black and white.
>>37875501
>i have no way to point out that veganism is bad so il just call it a meme
>>37877893
>asserting things without evidence
>il post a meme which is unrelated to show im right
huehue i won
>>37876107
>what is a maintenance diet, Alex.
Keto isn't.
>>37875620
Bullshit, i lost 70 lbs with keto in 5 months (+750 caloreis per day) then got off it, I still haven't gained a single pound, I just educated myself on calories in calories out afterwards. It's not that hard. I'm 5"10 160 now used to be 230
>>37884133
See? That's not keto that made you lose weight but the calorie deficit. Diets are bullshit.
>>37875501
What about the same thing every day?
like a big mix of foods with optimal intake etc
>>37884180
I think you don't know how ket works...
Every diet that works operats with a caloric deficit. Keto changes your metabolism in fovour of fat metabolism. It helps to keep muscle and energy level while on a deficit.
>>37884234
it doesn't help you keep muscle, and every legitimate report I've seen from actually hard training lifters is that keto is awful for people who train. carbs are too important for recovery to leave out.
>>37884234
That's hilarious since it's the exact opposite of reality. People on keto lose a shit ton of water weight, then they lose muscle, and then at some point they may begin to lose fat. Keto is total disaster for body composition, regardless of whether a person is losing, gaining or maintaining weight.
And metabolic advantage is a fucking sham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUyjMjuLl0
If anything, the metabolic advantage is with carbs because converting them to fat takes energy and most people experience an increase in energy expenditure on high carb diets because there is preference towards oxidizing carbs rather than storing them as fat, and carbs give you energy to be as active as possible. People on keto experience a decrease in energy and activity because they are in fucking ketosis and can no longer fuel any of the cells in their body as effectively as possible.
>>37875501
I did keto
It was pretty cash, it worked for me cause my lust for food completely died and I could just eat what I wanted (planned) to eat without feeling any desire for more food
Helped me break a plateau, stopped keto after 6 weeks and now I do a conventional defecit diet but it helped me get down below a certain weight I got stuck at as an ex obese.
The diets in themselves only work if they create a defecit true, but sometimes a bit of change can help someone who is struggling with a diet to pick up his diet again with new vigor cause you're trying something new and fresh and you're excited about seeing results again.
>tl;dr placebo
Who are you to judge you massive faggot?
>I agree on the vegan tho
>>37875501
Keto is sorta a meme, but it is true that carbs aren't filling (and are very tasty and easy to overindulge), whereas fat and fibre are filling. I go low carb on cuts and it's way, way easier than trying to cut on CRB. If believing keto is magic helps people lose weight, sure, why not. Another weapon in the war on fat, meme or not.
>>37884509
Fat has by far the lowest satiety of all macronutrients. Carbs have high satiety.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK53550/
>>37879390
>correct diet isn't necessary you just need stomach plants
>how do you get good stomach plants?
>derrrrp by using a good diet derrrrp
nice fucking post, idiot
>>37875501
keto is actually pretty good for losing weight. A keto cut is pretty good but sadly isn't sustainable. Tried to bulk on it but find that I don't have the energy compared to a normal bulk with carbs.
>>37884283
Your body takes time to adjust to being on keto. Your energy is only lessened during the transition phase while your body becomes accommodated to the shift in diet.
>>37875834
>bingeing and purging as a diet plan
>eating masses of pizza like a phony CHAD to make friends
>>37884624
People in ketosis are always outperformed by people on regular diets, let alone high-carb diets. This applies to both mental and physical performance.
Here's an idea for you: Rather than just fabricating things you wish were true, look at the actual science. Look at actual performance comparisons between people on keto and healthy people. Math tests, running, weight lifting, people in ketosis are fucking shit at everything. No shit they are since they are suffering from malnutrition and deliberately induced metabolic illness.
>>37884693
The points you raise are irrelevant to what I said, which isn't fabrication but truth. The fact you brush it away then rant about mythic performance tests of dubious quality in regards to something besides the point just tells me you aren't serious and are just baiting replies. Enjoy your day
>>37884746
Has nothing to do with what I wrote, nice red herring. I never mentioned fish intake
>>37884527
This
>>37884624
just like how smokers adapt to smoking and drinkers adapt to drinking, studies showing they're bad for you are a meme and don't allow enough time for tobacco and alcohol adaption
>>37879811
bear is meat cleversmartboy
>>37878028
shittonnes of peanutbutter like that vegan/schitzo turtle-kin tumblred about.
>>37884180
I'm not saying that it wasn't the calories that made me lose weight, I'm saying that anon who said
>Literally 0% of people who do keto don't stay lean unless they stay on it for life
Is fucking wrong.
>>37884846
Incomparable as those are singular activities not an all encompassing diet
>>37884950
>chain smoking and chain drinking are not all encompassing
thanks for confirming your retardation
>>37885109
so now they're chain smokers and (lol) chain drinkers whereas before you merely said one could "adapt" to drinking and smoking? bouncing all over the place in order to try and find something to say is the mark of someone more interested in pretending to be right than someone interested in discussing things seriously
>>37885228
>pull a no true scotsman that the unhealthy stimulus (in this case smoking and drinking) must be "'all-encompassing" for adaptation to occur
>desperately project your sophistry onto me after getting called out on your bullshit that smoking and drinking can't be "all-encompassing"
don't grasp at those straws too hard now, retard. you're gonna hurt yourself.
>>37875501
All of these are just different strategies to trick you into eating at a caloric deficit while feeling "full".
I've done both keto and regular calorie counting. They are both equally effective for losing weight, although I'd have to say it was easier for me to stick to keto, i.e. less overall cravings.
>>37885816
Ketosis is a metabolic illness resulting from malnutrition. One of the known effects of ketosis is clinical anorexia, as is the case with many severe illnesses. So yes, in that sense keto is a great diet that works for weight loss, probably just as effective as injecting yourself with HIV or cancer.
>>37875501
but desu, all of them are tricks and methods to achieve the overall result of eating fewer calories.
>>37875501
>> eating "clean"
that one is not a meme
>>37884283
ok so I've been digging a while now.
Do you have access to the rest of his study or some more on this?
aside from https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01967563
>>37885944
Same goal, different paths
>>37875620
That would be true of your "eat fewer calories" diet though too, right? Or can you go back to eating a lot and stay lean?
>There you go.
>>37886851
It is when you're the sort of retard cunt who thinks eating clean involves substituting table sugar for 'raw' coconut sugar
>>37875501
Been doing IF by accident for my entire life. Always supet lean, even during a bulk.
Not a meme.
>>37882568
how did they find the B12 vitamin pills that vegans have to take to not die?
>>37888094
They had sex with mushrooms
>>37888656
this finally explains the shape of dicks
>>37884563
>>correct diet isn't necessary you just need stomach plants
Nobody but you said this retard
> tfw I am doing intermittent fasting 36/12 and slowly shift to lean gains.
It works. You Just need to love life.
> tfw I have good face aesthetics but am still fat.
>>37875501
> intermittent fasting
This actually has some concrete scientific basis, though, as fasting upregulates autophag, which is healthy for you.
>>37888817
*autophagy
>IF
Is it good or not? Should I ask an actual dietitian or just listen to you fucking retards?
>>37883769
It is lel
read the atkins diet plan
you're confusing "keto" with "induction"
>>37884133
funny because I lost weight on atkins while eating over 2000 calories
>>37888836
>autofaggotry
FTFY :^)
>that plateau
What went wrong?
>>37877039
human brains evolved due to increases in available protons from meat
>mfw vegans are no more advanced than australopithecus africanus
>>37889304
ayy lmao, your timing
I just posted the graph above you
>>37889317
awww shucks, you care!
>>37889334
what did he mean by this?
>>37884527
Then my body/mind is fucked up. I can scarf down as much rice, pasta, or chippies as I want, and I'll be hungry later. Give me 4 oz of 80/20 ground beef on a low carb tortilla and I'm set for ~6 hours, easy.
>>37889284
>>37889304
>>37889317
Cooking starch is actually what allowed for that to happen, but do keep indulging in your fantasies.
>>37889204
personally, i love it, never hungry, 2 well balanced 40/30/30 meals a day and the occational 24 hour fast if i get stuck for 6 days or more.
>>37889356
There's a difference between satiety and destroying your intestines to the point where they reject processing of further food.
>>37889357
>Cooking starch is actually what allowed for that to happen
>implying there aren't widely available sources of starch that can be digested raw
>he fell for the vegan meme
>"muh sentient beings", what a faggot
>i also heard him say he's "bisexual", he's probably pretending to not be a full faggoT
>>37889439
Like what? Virtually all raw starches are resistant starches. It's only by cooking that they gelatinize and become digestible.
>>37889515
off the top of my head, bananas and carrots
>>37889512
seriously what's with vegans and sexual degeneracy?
I guess it's just that one mental illness attracts the others
>>37889551
You are right. Naturally almost all vegans are also fedorafags too.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201211/youre-vegetarian-have-you-lost-your-mind
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/vegetarians_found_to_have_more_cancer_allergies_and_mental_health_disorders-133332
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psyched/201205/does-autism-lead-atheism
>>37889571
>Naturally almost all vegans are also fedorafags too.
Wow, dead on. I know 3 vegetarians. One says he's bisexual and is a fedora. The other 2 are chicks and they're both fedoras. One of them used to be a "Christian" and had a normal diet. I put Christian in quotes because she was the typical cherrypicker who only believed what she agreed with. She's also a fag hag. She went full fedora after her granny died, seems like she's at odds with nature as a whole.
>>37882574
He responded with a meme because what you said is so retarded it doesn't deserve a proper response. If we were herbivores we wouldn't be able to metabolize meat you idiot.
>>37889571
>>37889623
Oh and I forgot to mention before all this she was already a feminist. She's become the anti-Christian fedora type, criticizing Christians at every opportunity while praising pagans and muslims. She's the "not all muslims" kind.
>>37875501
How to lose weight for dipshits
>step 1 recognize you are not a chiild
>step 2 eat a healthy diet of meat, vegetables, and fruit in place of the sugary shit you used to consume
>step 3 count your calories so you dont under eat because your serving size of chicken+rice+vegetables is not equal to the serving size of mcdonalds and soda you consumed before.
>step 4 exercise or do something distracting so you can keep your mind occupied while you adjust to your new routine and not fall back into old habbits
congrats you dumb fuck you can now be considered a human instead of some mindless animal.
>>37889387
Lol look at you guys afraid of fat.
>>37889695
this kek
I mean, posting a thoughtful reply to that retarded statement would be equivalent to biting the b8 whether it's actual b8 or not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrmv6EPKfpg
>What are macro-nutrients
>>37889439
This is still very much a debate, though my human evolution professor did favor the increase in meat consumption side.
>>37889788
Meat has so many advantages that if we take an Occam's Razor approach it's the obvious option. Full amino profile, high calorie density, essential vitamins. One has only to look at vegans today and the dietary gymnastics or supplementation they need to not get sick to see how it went.
cool thread.
I was always super fat because single mom, and hit 332 at 26, I was starting a program for getting stomach surgery, desperate, wanted to die, etc etc.
came on fit in like 2009, googled PSMF, lost 20lbs first month, 10/m after with that with like like 10 cheat days a month (hardcore i know) until i was 182 about 16 months later.
i maintained for two years,,, until i starting breaking bones being 2xtr3m3 with my new body, feeling invincible. I had a fuck load of psychological issues (duh) relating to my new body too. today i'm 32 and have gained back half of it without doing the program since like 2013, but I terrible eating habbits, I'm a massive food addict, again, but honestly I liked those results. And I definitely didn't gain in back by eating "normally"
fwiw
>>37889832
One thing I know for sure, to say that humans are herbivores is absolute retardation. So many videos on youtube of ppl misinterpreting biology, fucking maddening.
>>37885895
I rarely eat. Am I gonna die?
>>37890280
I think it's even worse than misinterpretation, it's cherrypicking to fit their worldview. When something challenges it, they just pretend it isn't there.
>>37879390
> bad gut flora results in only partial digestion
> what is malabsorption
by your logic, bad gut flora should result in emaciation.
>>37885895
i didn't know carbsane shitposted on /fit/
I'm going for the Paleo/Wild meme.
You have ten seconds to convince me this is a bad idea.
is keto just having under 30g of carbs and going on a a calorie deficit
>>37891852
appeal to nature fallacy and most variants don't come close to imitating what cavemen ate
>>37892126
I dont truly care about how close to actual caveman eating it is, I mostly just want an easy to maintain lifestyle with nice meats and no hunger.
>>37888094
B12 comes from a bacteria, not inherently from meat. Back then it was found in the non-chlorinated water that they drank, the pesticide-free food from the ground or tree that they ate, and hell even their own shit.
Also, a sizeable portion of meat eaters are low on B12 because the damn animals they eat are given supplements. They're low because they're fed unnatural diets and their bodies can't take it. Read up.
>>37889304
Nope. If that were true, lions would be the smartest, eh? Our brains accept carbs as energy; learning to eat starches is what did it.
>>37878050
yo, I love VWPA!
>>37889525
Green bananas are mostly resistant starch, they're one of the richest sources of resistant starches along with raw potatoes. Ripe bananas are just sugar.
Carrots are primarily sugar.
Try again. Raw starch is not digestible.
>>37875501
Sure, the basic caloric counting remains the same.
But most of the these diets are made in such a way that they fuck with small aspects of the smaller, secondary important parts of what you eat.
Things that can change food sense. Diets that work well with sports (lke the keto, there exists a cyclical keto diet just for that), or diets that exploit the natural circadian cycle (allows you to easily cut eating in the morning so that you could generally eat less during the whole day in total)
Because op, like it or not but we are still animals. The desire to eat stuff or not to eat stuff is extremely important in a diet. Especially for people who are either average or below average of IQ, who cannot suppress their food lust.
If there was a ranking on the popular diets and their hardness. A 100% pure caloric deficit diet would be at #1. Especially above 30% of your TDEE.
That is why I did the best of both worlds and did a keto diet, along with a caloric deficit diet for 3 weeks. Its easier to leave carbs out the door while dieting I guess.
>>37875501
Vegan for health and because I have a conscience. Eat shit, manlet.
>>37879265
>we hate blood and guts
>we are disgusted by slaughterhouses
I don't know about him but a fresh cow is pretty tasty looking
>>37889551
Maybe since fags are more feminine than normal men they make more decisions with their emotions. Maybe this is why there are more female vegans because of muh feels
>>37892147
No hunger = no weight loss.
Sad but true.
Im vegan and on IF, its working pretty good for me.
I especiallt like IF because I do all my cardio fasted so I burn fat faster.
>>37875501
>keto
Good with sports, especially like running, most efficient form of fat burning (as long as you dont overeat, but its taking from your fat reserves more, and quicker)
>intermittent fasting
Best for keeping testosterone high and making it harder to overeat during the day since your window to eat is now smaller (and the feeling of hunger is now lower because the morning fucks with it too badly)
>paleo
Less extreme version of keto, less to do with sports, more to do with food theory on what people ate in the past
>vegan
>muh poor le animals feelfag diet
The rest I dont really know.
>>37894333
Im vegan mostly because of environmental reasons.
Plus some studies suggest it could be healthier, however other studies say the opposite.
>>37882568
Excuse me, Belgian Neanderthals were eating Belgian Neanderthals long before paleo was cool.
>>37883769
BS, been on keto for four years. Not even to lose weight. It cures all kinds of immune diseases.
>>37884527
>it's 2016
>still believes government lobbyists
>>37882568
btfo, fatty!
>>37875501
I do intermittent fasting and I lost 25 pounds even before I started to count calories
Use it as what it's ment to be meal control making it harder for you to over eat
>>37894463
over my cold, dead cuts.
What do you guys think of PMSF?
>>37889571
Leah Albee and Gerard Dabu/Jamie Jammer, a transracial trannie, are vegan too.
The former just demanded reparations from her dad because he paid all of her living expenses while being ex-military, this a cishet fascist patriarchy terf scum die.
>>37896513
Proud Mother Suck Fucks?
Keto, raw veganism, paleo and other meme diets work because they put you on a strict, regimented diet. It forces you, for the first time in your life, not to eat everything in sight. It's the rules that help you lose weight, not the specific diet itself. Anything that discourages eating absolute garbage will probably work out if you don't cheat.
>>37878178
Ketosis is real obviously, but it's literally your body's backup plan to keep your brain from dying due to lack of glucose. Only retards think it should be a long term state. The only people who should do keto are epilepsy patients, and even then they're probably under doctor supervision.
>>37875501
well many people actually eat fewer calories without changing their eating habits while dieting because lots of calories come from things that are not very necessary. Like sugar in your coffee, high fructose corn syrup in sauces or canned foods, people make their own foods without buying the fatty and sugary version that is already made by someone else. Usually it is a lot more tasty when you make from pure fresh ingredients and you learn to like new things
>>37878180
Cringe.
>>37878111
they are not actually. I'm almost a vegan but potato chips are keeping me from going fully.
Although I'm not fat nor eating them all the time.
But I wouldn't even call veganism a diet in sense of losing weight because being vegan is just that you don't eat anything that comes from animals. You wouldn't call an omnivore who doesn't eat onions, eggplants or tomatoes dieting. Veganism is the same, you can eat very differently from another vegan and they don't have more in common than 2 random people who don't really follow a diet but one eats healthy and another one mostly fast food.
>>37889304
>available protons from meat
WTF
>>37896901
>Being this autistic
>>37889304
it only describes certain historic scenario that had limited food sources available and short lifespans in general, it has nothing to do with today or even recent history.
And it completely misses the point of evolution which is automatically reacting to current conditions not some planned "advancement". For instance human ancestors used to be much stronger than we are now but we wouldn't call becoming stronger again disadvancement. Therefore it depends on personal views what we consider advanced and what not. Evolution doesn't have strategy
>>37889512
bisexual male vegan is super hot
>>37876479
Thanks dog, wtf is so hard to understand about this. Caloric deficit is much easier on keto (hint for me, figure out what works for yourself)
>>37892558
>>37889512
This. We can't even prove that we have free will so a cow walking around in its own shit eating grass definitely does not.
>>37889855
nice blog
>>37875501
caloric deficit
