Horrible caffeine addict here. I've done some research already but I can't discern whether caffeine is good, bad or neutral for getting /fit/. Help me out?
I would also like to know this
2-3 cups of iced black coffee a day
i'm gonna try quitting coffee and caffeine because i think i could be allergic to it.
>>37845500
What're you trying to do and whats your habit like?
It interupts sleep and increases your TDEE, so probably not the greatest for bulking solong as you can push yourself without it
Simple answer: it depends
It depends on how much per day youre taking. 2-3 cups would be a little on the high side but nothing crazy. It depends if you see any negative symptoms (anxiety, insomnia, high blood pressure). I would say staying around 200-300 mgs of caffeine per day is a good start. But thats just me brah
quit caffeine
even the pre workout I take is caffeine free
stop being LOW ENERGY and start being HIGH ENERGY
>>37845500
Look up the long-term side effects on caffeine. Decide with yourself if you are fine with them or consult a doctor.
The comedowns are not __that__ bad. You will have a terrible headache for a few days (in my experience), and luckily you can just pop a few pills to handle that.
>>37845564
Consult a doctor if you think you are allergic. Don't look up the signs that you are allergic, since most of them occur to most people.
Maximum recommended daily dosis in my country is 540mg .
>>37845606
Could you link to something stating the long-term effects? My research has just left me with a mixed bag
It's fucking nothing unless you're smashing out caffeine pills and/or having a fuck load of coffee
i have a whole pot of coffee everyday. Work in construction. literally my ass sweats like my armpits.
>>37845606
>the come down's are not that bad
Depends on how hard you went with it. Personally coming on a good 1-2 month run of EC stack, getting up to 1.6 grams of caffeine and 48 mg's of ephedrine per day, coming off of it literally made me want to stick a shotgun in my mouth (a week of migraine like head aches, depression, lethargy). I tried to ween myself off it, sticking to 200 mg's of caffeine and 6 mg's of ephedrine, but even that gave me the above mentioned symptoms.
>>37845663
http://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-withdrawal-symptoms-top-ten
http://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-withdrawal-symptoms-top-ten
2.5 months into quitting, I sleep better but I tire quicker. Went full herbal teas, its more of a discipline to me now, pushing through the tired feelings.
>>37845663
Might not be the best source but I just checked
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-979-caffeine.aspx?activeingredientid=979#vit_sideeffects
From what I have seen, you shouldn't worry as long as you don't exceed the recommended dosis, obviously. If you have some sort of illness that gets worsened by caffeine, you shouldn't be taking it either, of course.
Best thing would be to consult a doctor.
>>37845777
Sounds extreme to be taking 1.6 grams. I have never hit that high of an amount for a longer time period. I was pretty much cruising on 540 mg, sometimes more, sometimes less for about a month. I would definitely not recommend that, and would probably use another supplement or figure out what my problem is, if I were to take 1.6 grams of caffeine.
Remember to keep hydrated once the withdrawals hit you, obviously. It helped me a ton.
>>37845777
Did an EC stack for about a month with VPX Meltdown and had panic attacks for days. had to ween myself out with weed and xanax
>>37845500
If you treat a little caffeine pill as pre workout on bad days it can be good. If you drink one coffee every other morning it doesnt matter. If you're a caffeine addict and you suffer from withdrawals then it will negatively affect lifting just like almost everything else in your life.
>>37845500
I'm studying sports nutrition at Uni. 3gm caffeine per kg of body weight is ideal for a performance advantage. Anymore is a waste / no gains.
This is for elite athletes though. You don't need it and if you do, you need to consider side-effects especially using the dosage for an extended period of time.
>>37845887
>225 grams of caffeine for a 75kg male
Are you retarded enough to think anyone will take this bait?
>>37845860
>im a degenerate and have mental illness symptoms
Go figure.
Does it mean I'm allergic to caffeine if my blood pressure increases to unsafe levels and my heart rate goes above MHR when I drink a cup of coffee?
>>37845907
Probably a typo retard, it's mg.
>>37845887
>>37845907
Pretty sure it makes more sense as 3mg, not 3gr.
>>37845887
Was this study done with coffee or pure caffeine ?
>>37845500
Good in moderate amounts. Like most things in life.
/barrathread
>>37845540
thats it?
>>37845887
Surely you mean mg, right?
>can't sleep without my nightly cup of espresso
>>37845606
>most of them occur to most people
that'd be reason enough alone
>>37846135
Which is why I recommended to consult a doctor.
My point is, if you look up the symptoms, you will see that anxiety, headache, higher blood pressure, can't concentrate etc. are signs that you might be allergic.
Which are very common thing from what I have seen in my life. I am not a doctor or anything but I highly doubt that the majority of the population is allergic to one of the most common drugs. I could be wrong, however.
I drink a 4 cup of french press of coffee in the morning, and another press of tea later on at night if I feel like cleaning the press of the coffee from the morning.
>>37845987
That's fine, a lot of people drink coffee before going to bed. Just a small moderate amount to stay productive and then let the comedown kick in to send you off to sleep.
By the end of my cut in June I was up to 400mg caffeine alongside 32mg ephedrine three times daily.
Obviously I had to wean myself off.
First was gradually reducing the ephedrine until I ran out.
By then I was down to 400mg caffeine daily.
These last two weeks I've limited myself to 200mg which is one scoop of preworkout that I reserve for my warm up... Let me tell you these last two weeks I feel like pepe related up to that point.
If I'm not working I can hardly get out of bed before the afternoon and I'm just going through the motions like a zombie.
I have one scoop left of the preworkout.
After that I got a dozen or so 100mg pills.
I'll take one before working out until I run out and quit.
Look up "caffeine insurmountable tolerance", at the point I got you don't even get half the benefits of caffeine.
I don't drink coffee cause I'm already an antsy person so stimulants just make me even more antsy
>>37846185
>I highly doubt that the majority of the population is allergic to one of the most common drugs
okay but nobody is making such a claim and I'm sure most or us are intelligent enough to observe the effects it has on our bodies
>>37846917
This guy was >>37846135
>>37847063
'no'
>>37847118
'yes'
>>37847140
retard
>>37847063
he's quoting the person he's responding to, not making the claim. now fuck off retard
i used to smesh 500mg before my workout but i didnt like how doing it all at once made me feel so now i do about 150-200 early in the day and about 300 later
>>37845540
thats like 250mg youre about as much of an addict as my mom
i bet you also complain when you dont have it like it makes you feel bad
>>37847170
this me
Coffee makes my breath stink and yellows my teeth. Still drink it, though.
>>37847145
>>37847167
taking it this personal :^)
>>37845500
Caffeine is great. Only problem is that once you're on 24:7 you're killing yourself faster than need be. Just cut all caffeine except when going for important sports meets and exams.
That is probably a bit better for your health, plus you get dem sweet temp blood pressure gains when you're not an addict.
>>37845588
>2-3 cups would be a little on the high side
do americans actually believe this
>>37847465
Australian here, I love my coffee but I have more than four shots of espresso a day (seeing as I have doubles like a regular person, thats two cups) and it starts interfering with my sleep. If its interfering with sleep, I'd call that the high side
>>37847465
Have you seen the size of the average American coffee cup?
>>37845500
Nothing is bad in correct moderation.
Drugs, hookers, porn, gambling, drinking, caffeine, anything when moderated right
>>37845500
Places with high consumption of coffee have the lowest test levels
Decide for yourself
Caffeine has two main /fit/ purposes, appetite suppression and pre-workout. But they both depend on you not already having a tolerance built up. In other words, they will only work for people who don't normally take in that much caffeine on a daily basis.
>>37845500
I used to be a caffeine addict, I would buy 200 caffeine pills every month. You don't need it, when I got off I had headaches but they went away. Now I only take a pill before I go to the gym.
>>37847465
It can be depending on the coffee. A latter will have more vaccine that a plain coffee usually, and different roasts destroy certain amounts of the caffine. Also like other anon said, people may consider 20oz a "cup" of coffee. Its naive to think a "cup" of coffee is the same to everyone
