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>decide to drink raw milk since pasteurizing milk damages its proteins and fat-soluble vitamins, plus it has enzymes which aid digestion and make it more tolerable
>go down to local farm, everything looks legit
>start doing GORMAD despite the exorbitant $8 price per gallon
>painful whiteheads all over my scalp I've had for years vanish within days
>cystic acne begins fading
>I'm finally gonna make it, I found the way
>PT day at police academy
>they run us for 4 hours, including 1 hour doing bear crawls and belly crawls through a sandbox at noon when it's 100 degrees
>get violently ill that night, figure it's heat exhaustion
>after a totally ruined 3 day weekend shitting my guts out and not getting any better realize it has to be a stomach virus
>realize it's from the milk and all the lobbying and propaganda from the Big Dairy industry might have been true
fuck me /fit/, I was finally on my way out of Auschwitz. And the one food which perfectly addressed all my needs is full of foodborne illness. Any good alternatives? Maybe I need to start eating a dozen eggs a day.
>>37803838
Why would you drink unpasteurized milk? You're actually an inept retard.
>>37803883
This
Raw milk is disgusting
Source: ex-pooinloo who had a cow
>>37803899
>>37803883
It actually tastes a lot better. It has a frothy and creamy taste. Pasteurized milk tastes like bleach to me now.
>>37803838
dude, i used to own a cow farm, and even thought i knew the cows were free of disease (sometimes the udder gets infected, but its easy to spot and avoid it) i still boiled the milk for a couple of minutes!
even whole milk from the store doesnt taste as good as the milk we produced, i guess its not the pasteurization but the homogenization that sort makes it taste different, sorta artificial
>>37804193
do you think slow boiling it at a lower temp would let it keep its nutritional profile while eliminating the bacteria?
put bleach in the milk. no heat and any microbes will die
Unpasteurized is asking for trouble. Try unhomogonised,its pretty nice hey, nice and think with the chunks.
>>37804383
>drink bleach
>>37803838
Plenty of people died from that shit in the past.
But TBQH... your immune system is still weak asf.
Hell I know whenever I travel I get sick just from drinking the local water and that shits already been treated.
Gold top milk FTW
>>37804268
you need to boil it just like water, and its best if you let it foam/boil, them simmer down a bit and repeat that a couple of times
as for the nutritional value i cant be sure about it, but if you are using raw cow milk it is normally very fat in content (sometimes you can even see tiny bubbles of fat floating in it)
slow boiling it would make it worse imho, you want to avoid cooking the milk and just bring it up to boiling temperature as fast as you can for a couple of times in 1 or 2 minutes timespan (dont use a microwave, use a stove top and keep looking at it, or the foam will be everywhere)
then just put it in the fridge, after it has cooled down a bit, for later consumption
thats what i did, and for close to 20 years it never made anyone sick in my household
>>37803838
Are you a fucking calf ?
Seriously what's up with human adults drinking baby cow fluid ?
>>37804509
If it makes you feel any better I probably have a good chance of dying from this, I've never been this sick in my life
>>37804523
Oh come on Anon it can't be that bad. Sounds to me like you're just milking it.
>>37804523
you should have asked the guy, selling you the milk, to drink a glass of it with you right there
and the real price should have been close to $2 ~ $3 a gallon, at least in europe
if you recover decide to repeat that, please boild the shit before drinking it and get the milk from a small farm that actually uses (part of) it for in-house consumption, not some huge automated cow milking shit pad
gl
>>37803838
turns out microbes in your tummy are really great and neccessary for health. Not all bacteria=bad. Sterile animals are litterally autistic (dont socialise and are anxious and shit). IMO its not the milk but the lactic acid bacteria that are overhauling your shit for the better
>>37804523
Good riddance...
>>37803838
OP, raw milk every now and then is fine. Just not quantities more than a sip or two every day. It's delicious, full of healthy whole fats, and some people with lactose intolerance sometimes process raw milk better than pasteurized. But it's all about moderation dude!
>>37804543
I fucking hate you so goddamn much you piece of shit, i hope you die
>>37803899
The concept of hygiene and cleanliness can't be comprehended by your shit race. You probably fed your cow with detritus from the Ganges.
>>37803838
Raw milk is like any other animal product, if they didn't handle in a sanitary fashion you will get sick. Chew their asses out and at least get your money back. I've been drinking only raw milk for 3 years and will go without milk before I buy mass produced milk from the store
>>37804582
>the lactic acid bacteria that are overhauling your shit for the better
s-so I'm just making intestinal gains?
>>37803838
>drinking raw milk
Everyone from /sci/ would literally shit in your mouth from how absolutely retarded you are.
>>37804509
>Are you a baby chicken
no eggs
>Are you a fucking plant
no tanning or vitamin D
>Are you a fucking maggot
no meat consumption
>Are you a fucking beanstalk embryo
No beans
>>37804625
Don't have a cow man
>>37804657
The difference is milk is a food that has evolved for the specific species it comes from, and only during their infancy. Other foods, we evolved around ourselves. The only milk that makes sense for you to drink is human breast milk when you're a baby. Drinking a cocktail of cow hormones and growth factors as an adult human is not healthy.
raw milk is actually better for you, but for possible death.
i go to whole foods and get their grass fed, low temp pasteurized non homogenized. it has clumps of fat sometimes.
>>37804690
this is fucking retarded.
milk is literally the only thing you eat that is intended to be eaten.
when you eat vegetables, they weren't made to be eaten. your chicken legs were made to help chickens walk, not to be eaten.
the mile from a cow - is processed to be eaten.
but not that it matters, all that matters is that it is good for us to drink it
>>37803838
Find a better farm. I've been drinking raw milk for a decade and i've never been sick from it.
>>37803929
this. i always described it as liquid cheesecake.
>>37804638
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395615000655
More than that, you are making intenstinal gains and brain gains. :D
>>37804711
It's meant to be eaten when you're a baby if it's your specie's milk.
You don't see grown tigers sucking on the tits of an elephant
>>37804750
Tigers are almost extinct so they must be doing something wrong.. I bet thats it
>>37804750
wut. birds will literally drink milk if it is available to them and they arent even mammals. fuck off with your natural fallacy. Food is a permutation of nutrients and compounds whose benefits greatly outweigh their detriments, who can also be digested and assimilated properly. Milk meets all of those stipulations and raw milk is even better.
>>37804690
>Drinking a cocktail of cow hormones and growth factors
i dont know how its done in ameriland, but decent farmers breed their own cows, and feed them grass (both dry,straw,bails and gree freshly cut on the same day) along with silage (shredded corn plant+kernels fermented over some time with some salt flavoring)
no kind of drugs (enhancing or other) is used on the cows unless they are sick, in which case the milk they produce during the sickness period + drug taking period + safety period is thrown away. the company truck that collects the milk everyday analysis it as it it being loaded and if the slight amount of disease, drugs or even fat content if of the "safe" margins the whole truck batch is discarded and the farmer must pay for ruining that whole truck of milk with "non-valid" milk (there has been cases of farmers watering down milk that got fucked right on the first day)
>>37804711
fruit is made to be sweet so that it will be eaten and the seeds spread out from the shit of whatever ate it
>>37804750
Fuck off m8, my cat drinks cow milk just fine
>>37804642
/sci/ doesn't know Jack shit about nutrition so that's not surprising
>>37804797
Pigeons eat kebab leftovers but you don't see them go kill a fucking turkey
Cats drink milk but you don't see them sucking on the tits of a cow.
>>37804711
>milk is literally the only thing you eat that is intended to be eaten.
Intended to be eaten by that specific species during its infancy. A cow's milk isn't intended to be drank by adult humans. Like every mammal, its milk developed with the specific qualities needed to start the growth of a baby of that species. Cow's milk for baby cows, gorilla milk for baby gorillas, rat milk for baby rats, pig milk for baby pigs, human milk for baby humans, all with different ratios of fats, protein, carbohydrate, vitamins, hormones, etc. depending on what that species needs for infant development.
Human breast milk is intended to be eaten by you when you're a baby. Other foods don't need to be designed for us to eat because animals evolve to eat foods, not the other way around.
>>37804840
what the shit are you even saying.
>boiling your milk
look i get that you like how your milk tastes whole from a single cow instead of homogenized fluid from a whole herd of cows, but you can't do that and make some "muh nutrition" argument if you do that vs boring regular pasteurized milk.
(i have no idea why people think that food safety practices are a bad idea. it's literally why people get less sick less often. it's when these practices aren't followed properly that shit gets fucked up.)
>>37804777
Cow milk have the growth hormones to double the size of the calf in a short period of time, that igf-1 will grow tumors on you.
You are a casomorphin degenerate addict
http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/24/dairy-6-reasons-you-should-avoid-it-at-all-costs-2/
>>37804790
I don't think you understand what milk is. It doesn't matter how natural, organic, grass-fed it is, it's always going to have hormones because that's what milk is made for.
>>37804863
>i have no idea why people think that food safety practices are a bad idea
because why not strip all nutrition and beneficial bacteria and saturate it in a cocktail of carcinogenic preservatives, right America?
>>37804840
I don't suck on cow tits or kill turkeys either f a m
>>37804826
>raw milk
>nutrition
if dying is nutritional to you
>>37804711
>>37804884
I literally have a bachelors degree in human nutrition. If you are suggesting that we can't eat something because it has a single detriment, you're fucking retarded. There would be nothing to eat on the planet.
>http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/24/dairy-6-reasons-you-should-avoid-it-at-all-costs-2/
oh look, you linked to a poorly cited alarmists pseudo news publication that cherry picks facts to further your own confirmation bias.
>>37804897
Or better yet, spew some woo about how much healthier it is in its raw form despite no research at all supporting that notion and many cases of illness and death linked to it
>>37804884
>igf
>bad
get the fuck out
>>37804907
You use machines to do it for you
>>37804928
Kill yourself faggot.
Stop drinking calf growth fluid you disgusting retard.
>>37804937
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mHYFOJBU434
>>37804897
>drink down muh Salmonella, Listeria, Yersinia, Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, and Escherichia coli
>get sick from tuberculosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever, and Q-fever
>at least Big Milk didn't get me with their propaganda
maybe you should eat straight off of a dead cow too. just cut off the hide and take a bite. don't want to ruin the nutritional profile by cooking it.
>>37804960
Stop murdering plants?
>>37804840
>Cats drink milk but you don't see them sucking on the tits of a cow
lol, i had a cat that did just that
not sucking but he licked the nipple and did that "paw squeeze thingy" on the udder, drops of milk would come out, only one or two cows didnt matter about the cat doing that though
so fuck your hypothesis :D
>>37804999
The proof that humans aren't real meat eaters.
All the real meat eaters eat it raw.
>>37805063
Are you retarded like your cat?
Do you fucking see on national geographics adult animals drinking milk from a mother of another species ?
Jesus fucking christ casomorphin degenerate addicts are retarded
>>37804970
>vegsource
>old as fuck research
>random conclusions from observations and cherry picked singulr studies.
ok bud
>>37804863
>your milk tastes whole from a single cow instead of homogenized fluid from a whole herd of cows
thats not what homogenization is...
besides, the milk from the whole herd ends up on the same refrigerator tank as it is being milked, so unless you do it by hand into a container you wont be getting milk from just one cow
>Drinking unpasteurized milk
I know 4chan is full of retards these days but some do really take the prize
Why not just drink human breastmilk? Thicker than normal milk and not full of disgusting shit like raw cow milk.
>>37805092
Are you retarded like your thoughts?
Do you fucking see on national geographics adult animals posting on 4chan from a computer with internet connection ?
Jesus fucking christ internet shitposters against evolution addicts are retarded
>>37805069
and all the "real meat eaters" get sick and die all the time.
i'm a master of fire, as passed down to me from my ancestors through millions of years of refinement, such that i turn a knob and obtain invisible fire of constant heat to make my meat hot and juicy so i can swallow it all down into my belly.
>>37804960
Wait, you told him to kill himself,
but also told him to stop drinking the stuff you claim is poison.
Must be something wrong with this shithead's diet. He can't even think straight.
>>37805126
That's not true. Real carnivores thrive on a raw meat diet
Humans (frugivore primates) are disgusted by raw meat.
And get plaque inside their arteries from cooked meat.
>>37803838
I grew up on a farm and drank raw milk until the age of eighteen when we got rid of the dairy cows and start raising beef cattle.
Never got sick from milk.
>>37804690
We fucking evolved so we could drink milk. People with less access to milk usually have a large amount of people who can't drink it. Now that we can drink it, you want us to just stop because we used to not be able to drink it?
>>37804690
Dude, our ancestors literally survived less advanced hunter/gatherers because they could digest milk products while other people couldn't and they even perfected crafting cheese, a protein source that is edible longer than raw milk. So if anything, drinking that sweet baby cow fluid is the evolutionary edge you need, and with all those numale vegan cucks around, maybe you can survive those too and pass your genes on for a new generation of man kind.
Why is it that vegans and now this anti milk fag are always the ones that sound the most aggressive and crazy despite calling others retarded and morally wrong etc
>hurr milk gibs u cancer kill urself!
Ebin
>>37805186
You are not a calf, stop drinking cow milk faggot
You are not a cub, stop drinking lioness milk faggot
>>37805183
how tall are you
>>37805186
>We fucking evolved so we could drink milk
We evolved the ability to not shit ourselves to death when we ate lactose. Nothing about that means cow's milk is meant for us to drink.
>>37805182
what? plenty of monkeys and apes eat meat just fine (raw, because they are not masters of fire like me). they're also omnivores like humans and eat a bunch of not meat stuff as well.
>>37805191
Milk protein is the most cancer growing promoter ever, this is scientific peer reviewed fact.
http://nutritionstudies.org/provocations-casein-carcinogen-really/
>>37805220
What are we """meant""" to eat you cuck? It's not like god assigned a food for every little creature he created. Part of why humans are so wide spread compared to other animals is that we can adapt and eat different stuff. Are we ""meant"" to dive into the fucking ocean. I don't think so, men had learn how to fish, but i don't see anyone crying about people eating (raw) fish.
>>37805225
Some aitistic chimps eat 2% of their diet from meat and stuff it down with plants so they can digest it to show dominance in the herd.
They eat plants 98% of the time.
You are not a real meat eater of you don't like it raw
For example i'm a fruit eater because i like the taste of it raw.
>>37805206
I'm a fucking human. I don't need to do the same thing cows and lions do. I live in a building and sit most of the day at work. I'm not some hunter from 20,000 years ago.
>>37805220
So what? Do you want me to stop eating peanuts because some fuckwad has a peanut allergy?
>>37805283
Good. So start reading some books and realise that calf growth fluid is good food for humans. Neither is Rat or giraffe milk
>>37805319
Is not*
>>37805206
You are not a dog, stop putting on a (knitted fur) coat faggot
You are not a computer, stop touching keyboards faggot
>>37805319
>what is written on a book is more valuable than my own life experience of more than 2 decades
sure...
>>37805269
Fruits and vegetables at least, which is what our biology is mainly developed around. We can eat all kinds of shit, but it's not all good for us.
>>37805278
>chimps are autistic because they eat meat
My god you're such a fucking mentally retarded troll it hurts to reply
The 2% meat they eat is for nutritional and survival reasons, as confirmed by both my anthropology professor and the fucking zoo guide, they literally need that 2% for optimal health
>>37805319
When there is statistical significance shown about what milk does to the human body, I will listen. Until then, all the studies that conclude something are pointless. There are so many bullshit studies about nutrition that contradict each other.
>>37805367
>The 2% meat they eat is for nutritional and survival reasons, as confirmed by both my anthropology professor and the fucking zoo guide, they literally need that 2% for optimal health
So why does it only occur a few months out of the year? It mainly happens during the dry season, when fruits aren't as available. Basically, do it or starve. If it's not needed year round in their typical diet, why would you think it's necessary for optimal health? It's a desperate measure
>>37804642
/sci/ and /g/ are the most retarded boards here though
>>37805465
What's wrong with /sci/?
>>37805349
What an arbitrary and vague demarcation. There are literally thousands of fruits and vegetables that will kill you.
>>37804970
So basically dont drink milk so youll be a manlet that lives longer. Fuck that
>>37805573
>drank milk all my life
>still do, daily
>am manlet
I call bullshit on that video!
>>37805505
It's a bunch of high schoolers circlejerking over their knowledge of 1st year undergraduate math and physics?
>>37804790
>no kind of drugs (enhancing or other) is used on the cows unless they are sick
That's not true, cows are continuously given antibiotics to keep an possible infection at bay and stave off future exposures.
I'm all for milk tho, but only 1%
>>37804797
Cats are lactose intolerant tho, you should try lactate milk.
Guys
Why dont we drink breast milk instead
>current year
>consuming milk that comes from an animal's breasts
>>37806802
dude, i had a farm and know some people who still do
that antibiotics shit does not happen, not a chance! the milk cant be used (human or calf) if the cow is on antibiotics (or anything else)
dont assume shit about stuff you know nothing about and try to pass it as knowledge, makes you look stupid
>>37806916
he's talking about america, where standard practices differ from yours
I actually remember the taste of breast milk as a toddler
Best drink I've ever had
>>37806958
adults generally don't remember anything before the age of 2 (infantile amnesia). were you not weaned by then? do you remember sucking your momma's tits?
>>37806949
in ameriland lactocompanies accept milk with traces of antibiotics and disease in it?
wtf, i wouldnt feed that shit to anything that has legs, let alone humans.
why feed the animals antibiotics constantly? it will only make the animal, and subsequent lineage, weaker against infections. are cows that cheap around there? (a decent dairy cow is around $1000 here, better breeds way more)
>>37804690
>This shitty vegan propaganda and misinformation
>>37807045
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock#Regulatory_context
it's illegal to sell milk with detectable amounts of antibiotics in them. but it's still standard practice for animal feed to have very low amounts of antibiotics in them.
>>37805182
yeah because cooking is the biggest most significant human invention that literally shaped the course of our evolution and separates us from all other animals. No human can survive on a raw diet, we're evolved to eat cooked food.
>>37803838
Raw milk has to be consumed quickly. It does not keep in the fridge for nearly as long as pasturized milk. Most people get sick because they think they can drink 4 day old milk.
>>37803838
I hate vegans.
It doesn't matter to me if you're moderate and aren't pushing it onto others, I just hate you all you whiny preachy deluded idiots, veganism is not scientifically nor morally and especially not nutritionally sound and I would not shed a single tear if you'd all die today because nothing of value would be lost.
>>37807543
You sound more afraid than hateful.
>>37803899
OP is talking about milk without poo in it
>>37804509
Nice bait
>>37807075
>i assert things without explaining why
>hurr durr its natural to murder animals, i do whats natural
>hurr durr its natural for other animals to drink from other animals udders when they are adults.
No. You guys are retarded to even suggest drinking cow tit juice is healthy or even needed.
And the guy who said we cant eat beans, because "vegs wernt made to be eaten"
>this is /fit/
>>37807543
its funny, its always corpse munchers who come out with this, butthurt cry babies in every thread.
>i wont use reason or logic, i will talk about my feeling then ad hom attack/ generalise.
Yeah nothing like a tumblr posteer, you faggot.
>veganism is not scientifically sound
>not killing animals without justification is not moral
Not only are you rpoints retarded (many dietetics associations recognise veganism is fine, but you just assert things without explaining (again like a tumblr poster/millennial liberal)
How is eating fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes unhealthy?
How is not killing Animals not norally sound?
>>37808100
>corpse munchers
That's metal as fuck
I'm gonna use that from now on, thank you.
>>37808100
Not who you're replying to, but there's no reputable health organization that recommends a vegan diet. They all recommend balanced diets with an emphasis on fruits and veggies. By default, vegan diets are naturally nutrient deficient, and only possible through modern fortified foods/vitamins. So by default, vegan diets are not healthy, and comparable in health benefits to an average diet when supplemented.
Also morals are always subjective (I'm also on my phone and don't want to debate on a tiny keyboard)
>>37803838
>>decide to drink raw milk since pasteurizing milk damages its proteins and fat-soluble vitamins, plus it has enzymes which aid digestion and make it more tolerable
You do realize pasteurizing has come a long way from the 19th century. There have been special methods developed to lower the loss of nutrients and proteins considerably through a slower process. There is literally no reason to drink unpasteurized milk unless you wanna get sick.
You shouldnt drink milk, its for baby cows.
Not for human consumption you idiots.
>>37805269
You can answer this question yourself.
What foods that are available in nature are apealing to you in their raw natural state?
Fruit.
Humans have evolved around eating fruit.
>>37808240
Shut up, I take what I want. If the baby cow isn't strong enough to fight off the people I pay, then it didn't deserve the milk either.
>>37808254
I love raw salmon. Although, people always tell me I'm weird for that.
>>37808100
>has to take supplements because plants don't have enough macronutritients
>vegan parents killing their infants/kids because MUH VEGANISM SUCH HEALTHY LYFSTYLE
sure, if you really track your intakes and take the needed supplements nothing stands against being vegan nowadays.
being militant about it is bullshit, as well as arguing that humans were not made to eat meat as well, as it's just plain wrong.
>>37808135
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/Vegetarian-Diets_UCM_306032_Article.jsp#.V3tubFNriUk
https://share.kaiserpermanente.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/The-Plant-Based-Diet-booklet.pdf
http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/is-a-vegetarian-or-vegan-diet-for-you
What reputable health organization DOESN'T approve of a vegan diet? Vegetarian/vegan diets are well accepted as having health benefits
>>37808284
>average meat eater is obese, diabetic, on several medications, and has such a bad diet that they require FIBER supplements
>durr I heard of a vegan that wasn't healthy so vegan diets are all bad
Most of this board takes a multi, fish oil, and protein powder.
>>37808254
Apes evolved around eating fruit you dumb nigger.
Humans evolved around eating bone marrow and shit
>>37808135
The only vitamin vegans should supplement is B12, which meat eaters also supplement because its fed to the animals through fortified foods.
No one in the 1st world would get enough b12 if it wasnt for fortified foods.
So vegans are only cutting out the middle man by supplementing it directly to themselves instead of to the animals.
>>37808310
Do you find bonemarrow apealing?
Would you much down on some bone marrow?
No you wouldn't.
The only food in nature apealing to us is fruit, we were ment to eat fruit.
Just like every other animal on this planet our body tells ua what to eat, and our body is telling us to eat fruit.
>>37808286
You're deliberately shifting the goalposts, or not reading the articles you posted.
None of the articles you posted recommended a vegan diet. They all said the exact same thing that I did; that it is nutritionally deficient and must be fortified, but otherwise is on par with a balanced diet.
Let's assume though, that a vegan diet is better than one that includes meat.
If a vegan diet is objectively the healthiest, and provides the most health benefits, why is it not more widely adopted by those who would benefit most from it?
I would imagine that if vegan diets were superior, that every military member, Olympic athlete, and otherwise competitive sports player would be on a vegan diet, as it would give them an edge over meat eaters.
If vegan diets are so superior, why are they not regular or routine among those that would benefit most from it?
>>37808323
Bone marrow is tasty. And somehow I doubt that you're a fruititarian. 7/10 though because of Poe's Law and general butthurt in this thread
>>37808351
Since I live in western europe being a complete fruitarian is quite a challenge, so I also eat some other foods.
You seriously think raw bone marrow is delicious, compared to lets say a bananna or mango?
>>37808286
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
>Well-planned
>WELL-PLANNED
Nigga, every well planned diet is healthier then just stuffing your face with whatever you feel like at the moment.
>http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/Vegetarian-Diets_UCM_306032_Article.jsp#.V3tubFNriUk
>Vitamin B-12: This comes naturally only from animal sources. Vegans need a reliable source of vitamin B-12. It can be found in some fortified (not enriched) breakfast cereals, fortified soy beverages, some brands of nutritional (brewer's) yeast and other foods (check the labels), as well as vitamin supplements.
You need to eat special brands of cereal or soy or take supplements to not die
>https://share.kaiserpermanente.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/The-Plant-Based-Diet-booklet.pdf
Not gonna read 20 pages of vegan bullshit by a health industry company
>http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/is-a-vegetarian-or-vegan-diet-for-you
>Vegetarian and vegan diets can be healthy, but they can lack certain nutrients. You may have to use a little creativity to ensure you get enough protein, calcium, iron, and vitamin B12.
Oh, so it needs to be well planned out. Didn't we have this point already? Every well planned diet is far more healthy than stuffing your face like a retard i.e. 90% of people.
Face it. If vegan diets actually became popular we'd see an influx in B12 and Iron deficiency and millions of dead babies due to said deficiencies in their mothers. Why? Not because vegan diets are inherently bad, but because people are stupid and stop eating animal products won't change that.
>>37808345
Because our society is so used to eating meat, there are plenty of athletes who thrive on vegan diets though.
Also the short term effect of meat or vegan diets are not that different, its more about long term health.
>>37808323
I don't care enough to argue with you, but take a physical anthropology class or something and you'll see what I'm talking about
>>37808345
Give it some time and humanty will realize we are not supposed to eat 90% of the foods we are eating.
We can eat those foods, however they are not optimal.
>>37808395
I would if that was an option for me, can you maybe link me an article or something that would support your opinion?
Genuinely interested.
>>37808378
>Being fruitarian is a challenge
>Despite you arguing that it's natural and "our bodies are telling us to eat fruit"
>Living in Western Europe, literally able to have fruit from thousands of kilometers away
Wat
>>37808412
It is possible to eat only fruit but getting consistent good quality fruit can be hard.
and of coarse it is hard to be a fruitarian in Europe, humans are waay out of their habitat.
>>37808393
>Because our society is so used to eating meat
Shitty cop out. By virtue of being in the military or being an Olympian, you're not living your daily life according to what society is telling you. You're living according to your trainers, or your coaches, or your higher-ups. It's not uncommon in the past or present for the military to try all sorts of crazy experiments to make healthier or more efficient soldiers. Same with althetes. If there was a major statistical advantage to being vegan, or at the very least, vegetarian, the military would be the first group on top of that shit.
>there are plenty of athletes who thrive on vegan diets though
Are these athletes top of their class, winning Olympic medals or sports awards? Statistically, does being vegan correlate to better sports achievement?
>Also the short term effect of meat or vegan diets are not that different, its more about long term health.
Another reason for the military or sports players to adopt it. Long term health = less money spent on sick soldiers and athletes. More time in the field, or competing.
>>37808378
>It's delicious
That's absolutely not an argument. Ice cream is delicious, and if i crave it, does that mean i evolved around eating ice cream? No. Same goes for you, you have convinced yourself that you almost only need fruit, thus finding other food not delicious, you conditioned yourself.
Enjoy your malnutrition.
>>37808345
That's some serious delusion. Each one of those articles says that a vegan diet is not only nutritionally adequate (although you obviously need to consider what foods you make up the diet with), but that it comes with health benefits like better blood pressure and less risk of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and obesity.
>If a vegan diet is objectively the healthiest, and provides the most health benefits, why is it not more widely adopted by those who would benefit most from it?
Fallacy aside, there's a lot of reasons for that, socially, politically, and financially. As you can see, even using the word vegan is enough to trigger your average meat eater. Imagine trying to get a population to go from a meat-rich diet to a strictly plant-based diet. That's just not culturally possibly at the moment.
>>37808385
Yes, the diet needs to not be made of twizzlers and oreos for it to be healthy. B12 is the only real concern for a vegan diet but I don't understand what the difference is between
>I need B12. I will drink cow's milk.
and
>I need B12. I will drink almond milk.
How much more complex planning does the second option take compared to the first?
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>>37808457
>>37808345
>athletes only eat the healthiest food to boost their performance!
>>37808406
The journals I read require a university login. Just find a PDF of any intro to physical anthropology textbook.
The one I used for my class was "essentials of physical anthropology" by Larsen. I'm sure you can find a free copy somewhere
>>37808433
This makes absolutely no sense.
You're trying to argue that humans are healthiest, and evolved around, eating fruit.
So somehow, nomadic pre-humans had an abundance of multiple types of fruit to subsist their entire diet around
Yet you, living in arguably the most economically developed area of the world, in the most economically developed period of time in human history, can't be fruitarian because it's "hard finding good quality fruit"?
Nigga, third-world Africans have better access to fresh and diverse fruits than any human would have had in the past
>>37808481
>How much more complex planning does the second option take compared to the first?
Neither is complicated but people are retarded enough to fuck up either, so don't think veganism ist better. I can live on an omnivore diet and cut out pretty much all saturated fat and almost all dietry cholesterol out of my diet and have the same health benifits as vegans. What argument is there left then? Morality? I don't give a fuck about The Suffering and Death of Animals™. That's why they're live stock.
>>37804543
haha
>>37808491
>Cheat meals and filler meals for athletes who need 8000kcals a day all need to be healthy
Try 100% grassfed organic milk.
Also, are you white? Nonwhites have trouble digesting milk to some degree. You should look for an alternative.
>>37804711
Nigga plants were not made to be eaten, we were made to eat plants n shit, are you a spastic?
Alos we naturally selected plants to be better food so we made them to eat, again why do you live?
>>37808645
>black people have trouble digesting milk
>but Nigers don't
Can't make that shit up.
>>37808537
I want quality fruit, which is not abundant all year round, my diet consists of mostly fruit but I sometimes eat non fruits.
Fruit is the most optimal but I do mind going for the second best sometimes.
>>37808468
Icecream is not a natural whole food.
Humans made icecream stuffed full with sugar so no wonder we like it, is it healthy for you though?
Humans are animals so you need to look only at naturally occuring foods, what natural, whole, raw foods are apealing to us?
Fruit.
There was a systematic review published in November that looked at some of the claims of raw milk advocates. The researchers basically concluded that the impact of pasteurization on the nutritive value of milk appears to be minimal.
The greater issue is that of infectious disease (the reason it’s illegal in most states). Advocates argue that consuming raw milk is a matter of personal choice, but not when they go on to infect others. For example, in a raw milk outbreak of E.coli O157:H7 that hospitalized a number of children in Connecticut, in one household a kid who consumed raw milk infected a sibling who didn’t, who then infected a third. For those who are interested there are a number of recent commentaries on the dangers (here and here for example). Before pasteurization and the virtual elimination of bovine tuberculosis, hundreds of thousands of Americans died as a result of TB-infected milk. Let’s not go back to that era.
Pasteurized or not, organic or not, there continue to be public health concerns about the hormones present in all milk (particularly skim). See, for example, my videos Dairy Hormonal Interference and The Acne-Promoting Effects of Milk.
Sauce: http://nutritionfacts.org/questions/raw-milk-versus-pasteurized-milk/
>>37808468
It being delicous is an argument, foods being delicous is a way of our body to tell us what to eat, a tiger finds deer delicous thats why he eats them.
Our bodies tell us what to eat.
>>37808385
B12 comea from micro organisms.
The only reason animals have B12 in them is because they eat contaminated foods and in the case of cattle because of fortified foods.
Humans used to eat contaminated foods too, but because of our super hygenic society we lack B12.
A vegan diet will provide all the nutrients you need, macro and micro.
Hell even a fruitarian diet will give you everything.
>>37803838
>drinking raw milk
>being actually this retarded
>>37808781
>Sauce: http://nutritionfacts.org
why does 90% of all vegan propaganda come from this guy or some shitty youtubers?
>>37808773
Fruit is also filled with sugar.
But while you're on about natural whole food, please tell me what kind of fruits our ancestors ate to get all their nutrients. Also please tell me what you eat on a normal day.
>>37808798
>our bodies tell us what to eat
By your logic we should eat fatty and sugary food nonstop. It's the same mindset that gets people incredibly fat. My body craved icecream, so i should eat it.
I grew up on a farm in Ireland, we drank "raw" milk exclusively. Filtered was all, probably made us immune/gave greatly increased immunity to E-Coli and a host of other bacterial diseases.
The downside is that I can't drink shop-milk, because it tastes disgusting in comparison. I pity people who haven't had un-pasteurised, un-homogenised pure milk. baking tastes better with it too.
>>37804475
Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. This is what people do in third world countries
>>37809166
Sugar from whole fruits has no negative effects. Because aside from the sugar you are also ingesting vitamins, water, fibers and most importantly bioactive substances.
Sugars like table sugar and honey are negative, sugars from fruit not.
Our bodys will tell us what NATURAL foods we should eat.
>>37808810
>Dude just eat literal shit and you get everything you need from your vegan diet
>>37809166
In history we would need to eat every bit of sugary and fatty foods we came acros because they where scarce, off coarse this doesnt aply to today.
>>37809216
What?
>>37803838
boil the milk you fucktard
>virus from raw milk
kek
you deserve to get fucked
>>37809236
>eat contaminated food
Basically what you were saying. You know there's a reason why we don't eat contaminated food these days and that is because a whole lot of people died that way or got sick in ways that made them end up dying. But by all means, only eat apples that were dipped in cow feces to get all your natural B12.
>>37809215
Alright Mr. Skeletal, keep eating your fruit sugars (wich are aparently not sugars at all!) and deprive yourself of important nutrients like iron and b12.
>>37809253
That is not what I was saying, I was just explaining why b12 is added to food.
Supplementimg with B12 vitamin is a good way to ensure you get enough, no need to dip you bananna in cow shit.
>>37809272
They are sugars but they come with other nutrients unlike things like table sugar.
Iron deficiency is not a problem because I eat enough dried fruits, also b12 is not a problem because is supplement it.
>>37809053
nutritionfacts.org is a whole bunch of people contributing, not just one guy.
Anyway, are you seriously questioning the information nutritionfacts provided about the dangers of raw milk? You would have to be one dumb motherfucker if you did.
>>37809288
Yeah you do that, but please stop telling people they are "meant" to eat nothing but fruit by nature. Our brains literally evolved into the size they are today because of plenty amino acids and proteins we got from eating meat.
>>37809343
From cooking, not from eating meat.
Cooking saved us a lot of time by "pre digesting" out food.
Eating meat has nothing to do with that.
>>37808781
>See, for example, my videos Dairy Hormonal Interference and The Acne-Promoting Effects of Milk.
>my videos
Wut. I have the biggest conspiracy boner. What if the nutrition facts douchebag has been sending his vegan sycophants to this board for the past year to just shitpost everywhere.
>>37809215
>Sugar from whole fruits has no negative effects.
you realize the recommended allotment of fructose has been getting lower and lower as we learn more... High fructose fruit is shit. Go eat a pound of dates and lets talk insulin sensitivity.
>>37809380
god damn i love how every vegan is a fucking nutritional anthropologist. We are meant to do one thing: survive. No one cares about your knowledge of tooth shape/sizes, gut length, bone structure, or whatever other phylogenesis you picked up from your circle jerking vegan overlords because the delineations of homo-whatever don't fucking matter. I exist in the here and now, and in the here and now, I eat meat because it is nutrient dense, satiating, god damn delicious, and most importantly I CAN. your arguments are centered around what we were meant to eat. This doesn't make any fucking sense. Nothing evolved with purpose other than surviving. We are meant to survive, and somewhere along the way we started doing it with the help of eating meat.
>>37810429
Just because you can doesnt mean its healthy.
>>37804897
Anyone else dumb as fuck?
