Is it cheap as fuck easy protein. Or is it an estrogen supplement?
>>37709461
Its fine. The estrogen thing is a meme.
>>37709479
For realz? That's it? Because would be easy to eat a ton of the stuff.
>>37709493
Everything in moderation. I like to glaze mine with maple syrup though
>>37709504
That sounds disgusting.
But getting enough protein is hard for me when I don't do dairy or sugar.
I could totally handle tofu a few times a week to have more variety than chicken and beef.
>>37709513
Protein powder breh
>>37709524
All protein powder is fucki g 50 percent sugar. One day of protein is a weeks worth of my sugar intake. It would kill me.
>>37709524
Plus whey protein makes me gassy af, which makes my squats sick for everyone else in the gym.
>>37709479
>studies
>meme
Kek
>>37709560
>>37709567
Pea protein breh
>>37709461
Enjoy your manboobs.
>>37709560
Nothing you just said is true.
>>37709568
The estrogen like molecules in soy DO NOT have the same effect as estrogen on the body. That's what the studies say.
>>37709493
Yes for "realz". The initial study reported that phyto-estrogens in soja get absorbed through the digestive system and can be found in the blood. It stressed, that they don't know, if these are close enough to human estrogen to actually trigger a receptor response and initiate physical changes. Another study found, that they are not. First study got misquoted and blown out of proportion by the media, as all science reporting does. Reports don't know how to science, so read primary sources.
However, tofu has a few problematic components. If you want to eat a shitload, you should stick to tempeh instead, as the fermentation process gets rid of that.
>>37709524
Whey protein is high in certain amino-acids and sulfur compounds, that cause cancer. And not as in "shampoo causes cancer, maybe" but rather as in "smoking CAUSES cancer, period." Stick to rice, soy, pea, hemp and bean protein powder, if you must.
>>37709590
I mentioned pea protein friend, read the thread.
>>37709581
Any of the protein powder I have bought before had a very high sugar content. And though it may not literally kill me instantly, my body is not used to eating it, and the side effects would be very unpleasant.
>>37709578
>>37709590
>>37709600
Thanks for the pea powder suggestion. Didn't know that was a thing.
>>37709590
What do you mean by "problematic components"? You mean the estrogen mimickers? You just said they were not a problem.
I went vegan a few weeks ago and started eating it. Taste like shit unless you cook it right but adding sauces and cooking or baking makes it good.
>>37709639
Do you eat them in soup very often? Or does soup have too much sodium?
>>37709630
Soy beans have oligosaccharides that are hard for the body to break down in the intestines and cause some stress on the liver (which is not a problem for healthy individuals). They are also the primary culprits in the flatulence experienced after consuming beans.
>>37709600
Who cares? How am I supposed to know which Anon you are? Use your brain, friend. Also, I gave a little bit more information and mentioned a bunch more, so stfu
>>37709605
You sure, you bought protein powder? Because all veggie-powder I've seen so far is at 70-80% protein with <5% sugar and the rest fiber. Whey is even at 80-95% protein.
>>37709674
do not believe this vegfag
>>37709674
0%>sugar is high content for me. My sugar intake consists of a few pieces of fruit throughout the week. An IPA tastes like a soda, and white rice gives me a rush.
I'll see if I can find some plain pea powder though.
>>37709770
You where the one who claimed a 50% sugar content. Also you shouldn't be that afraid of sugar. Your body runs on carbo-hydrates, which ARE sugar once digested and in your blood stream. It might be just a mental thing.
>>37709567
>he's not white
>>37709513
>chicken and beef
Then incorporate fish, pork, eggs, and beans.
>>37709605
Are you sure you didn't buy a mass gainer?
At most there should be like 2g fat, 6g sugar, for a scoop that has 24g protein.
>>37710145
When I was taking Whey, I was gassy too although I'm as white as can be and don't have problems with Yogurt or raw milk.
>>37709770
Pea protein isn't as digestible and tastes and mixes like shit.
How do i prep the tofu, what ways can i chose from. Vegan fag reporting in
>>37710084
I get plenty of carbs, and those don't give me the side effects of sugar.
>>37710145
I'm white as fuck. Like the other guy said, I don't have a problem with milk and cheese. Whey protein is just a special kind of plague to your food tubes.
>>37710188
I forgot to mention fish, I eat that a few ti es a week already. Eggs are just a subset of chicken right?... I eat them everyday. I eat pork occasionally but too much makes me feel like a gentile. I love beans though.
Where can a city guy get venison?
>>37710212
Could you put it in stew or something?
>>37709560
Quest. Expensive, but has infinite uses when doing low carb.
>>37709461
Tempeh is much better. Seitan is better. If you still do tofu instead, couple it with a lot of broccoli and other veggies.
>>37710212
It only takes a little bit longer, but yeah it tastes horrible if you don't mask it with tasty stuff. (applies to all veggie proteins). Still better than eating by-products of the cheese-industry that they threw away before they found a way to market them to idiots. I prefer them to cancer and skyrocketing to the moon on my combustive expulsions.
>>37709461
>>37709479
>estrogen
>just a meme
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25587246
>In animals, the intake of phytoestrogens was reported to impact fertility, sexual development and behavior. Feminizing effects in humans can be subtle and identifiable only statistically in large populations.
>>37709560
>protein powder is 50% carbs
Are you retarded? It's not called sugar and protein powder, it's fucking protein powder, it's got fucking 90-97% of its calories from protein, you retard.
>>37710752
> There have been only singular reports on modified gender-related behavior or feminization in humans in consequence of soy consumption.
> However, the estrogenic potential of phytoestrogens does not prevent from extensive use of soy in infant food and other foodstuffs as well as pediatric parenteral nutrition.
You realize, they're basically saying "yeah, don't overdo it". There could be minor effects on children, but we have no prove.
>>37710813
Also in tempeh and many soy products, the phyto-estrogens are not even present.
> Evidence in support of clinically relevant biological effects has, however, been generally rated as insufficient or absent
>>37710752
And your linked articles gets better:
> This matter should be clarified by independent research, which can have implications for the future of soy in the agriculture.
So they did not do any research themselves and just speculate wildly. Sound's like the whole, "excessive cholesterol intake isn't harmful, we're financed by the national egg council" study.
>>37710752
Literally their only evidence is that, large doses of phyto-estrogens (from other sources than soy) reduce hot-flashes in women a little bit better than placebos. From which they conclude that it feminizes moderate consumers of soy. Good job!
>>37709461
Tofu has a low protein caloric percentage. Straight up edamame or tempeh is better because it's less processed.
>>37709479
Only if the soy is organic.
>>37711024
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7144835
Sources
>>37709605
Well first you should be dropping $100 a jar for the good shit. Stop buying the $20 chocolate milk powder
>>37709648
Sodium is a meme unless you have an underlying condition, faggot.
>>37709590
>rice, soy, pea, hemp and bean protein powder
I use a mix of wild rice, soy, pea, hemp and quinoa protein. Great micros and easy on the stomach but filling AS FUCK so I can't have too much.
>>37710813
This x100.
EAT IN MODERATION.
If you consume too much soy, it'll have a negative impact. You'd have to consume a heck of a lot for it to have adverse hormonal effects on your body OP. I prefer other milks anyway, e.g. I use organic oat milk when I have porridge (oatmeal) because it tastes nicer. Unsweetened almond milk is what I generally use for smoothie bowls and baking.
Soy butter is tasteless to me. I've yet to try olive butter but I like sunflower butter a lot.
Also, check out black bean spaghetti - it has shit loads of protein, but it's not cheap. I make my own black bean burgers - they're awesome, and quick to make. You can freeze batches of them too.
>>37710752
>only statistically in large populations.
>>37709560
that's mass gainer you fucking idiot. buy regular protein powder.
Where I live it's not cheaper than for example eggs.
>>37709567
Given that you think protein powder has 50% sugar, I'm not sure you've ever actually tried whey protein.
People with thyroid issues shouldn't eat much of it, as it inhibits the body's ability to absorb iodine properly.
>>37709461
You've obviously never met a man who fell for the tofu meme.
There are studies on both sides claiming tofu does and doesn't cause feminization of the human body.
Why don't you ask someone who was actually on a tofu rich diet, when they started growing man boobs, or their dicks shrunk.
It's real nigger, large amounts of tofu will fuck your life up.
It's meant to be a meal supplement every once in a while, not eaten daily or multiple times daily.
Vegan for 2.5 years now. Tofu is an inexpensive and lean protein, and consuming it doesn't come with the cost of higher cholesterol or cancer. I also recommend seitan. A box of vital wheat gluten goes for $3 at my local super market, and it contains 140g of protein and only 400 calories. As a plant based alternative to meat, it's definitely got the best consistency.
>>37713280
Don't care. You have no gains so your opinion is discarded.
>>37713454
alright m8
>>37713280
>dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol
>meat causes cancer
Kill yourself pls
>>37709590
>Whey protein is high in certain amino-acids and sulfur compounds, that cause cancer
what a bunch of bs. no amino-acids cause fucking cancer.
post a source about this, or stop with the shitposting
>>37713280
>come with the cost of higher cholesterol
dietary cholesterol doesn't raise cholesterol you dumb hippie
>or cancer
meat causes cancer only if grilled/cooked at high temps. broiled, boiled or steamed meat is absolutely ok to eat
>>37713545
Burnt toast causes cancer too. It's not the meat itself that causes cancer.
>>37709590
>Whey protein is high in certain amino-acids and sulfur compounds, that cause cancer. And not as in "shampoo causes cancer, maybe" but rather as in "smoking CAUSES cancer, period."
no it doesn't cause cancer. there are actually studies implying it has anti-cancer properties
everyone with their fucking broscience on this board
>>37709513
What the fuck does sugar have to do with protein?
>>37713545
>>37713566
>http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
>>37713566
ye generally grilling should be avoided
>>37713545
>>37713566
>who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
"increases in the risk of several cancers may be associated with high consumption of red meat or processed meat."
"High-temperature cooking methods generate compounds that may contribute to carcinogenic risk, but their role is not yet fully understood"
>>37713280
Holy fuck I can't wait for you veganfaggots to die already.
You have no idea how wrong you are on so many levels. And you only wrote like 3 sentences
>>37713598
>In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.
so basically they only found an association, without knowing 1) the way people cooked to meat (like mentioned above, and in your q&a article, grilling makes food carcinogenic) 2) the health status of the sample group. my bet is most people either grill or fry the meat
and ok, lets say red meat in all its forms causes cancer. most people here eat lean meats, so your argument is invalid
>>37713648
I'll live longer than you. Google it.
>>37713657
Enough of an association to classify red meat the same as cigarettes
My argument was simply that tofu isn't linked to increases in cholesterol or cancer. You haven't invalidated that, or even addressed it at all...
alright so i'm not gonna read all these replies because i'm a lazy fuck. now tell me. should i eat tofu or not, if yes how much and is the estrogen thing real? i've been looking to change my diet a bit, and looking at more soy based options also.
>>37713713
>to classify red meat the same as cigarettes
cigarettes are no where near red meat m80. one is an addictive substance that causes a plethora of other issues other than cancer, and that's established through many studies not just some casual statistical association done in some sample study
also, hdl causes cholesterol not cholesterol itself. bottom line is, you can eat meat and not risk any of this if you do it right
what you do is warp scientific findings your way to drive your argument.
>>37713733
you can eat it, phytoestrogens don't activate human receptors. how much is up to you
>>37713733
Eat tofu. In choosing tofu over meat, even occasionally, you will be reducing both your carbon footprint, and potentially decreasing your risk of certain cancers, heart issues, etc.
Just like anything else, consume it in moderation. A couple blocks of tofu a day isn't bad for you, and in fact it can fight breast cancer, which is even a risk for men, but don't get all of your calories from it, or you'll face deficiencies elsewhere.
Soy has a negligible amount of estrogen, that will not affect you by consuming it. I've read there is one documented case of gyno that doctors linked to soy intake, and the guy was drinking gallons of soy milk a day. On the other hand, it could have just been correlation.
>>37713733
Yes, studies are mostly unclear. Some say yes, some say no. Feel free to read a few and see for yourself. Eat in moderation and see how you react to it. I get 80g protein from soy each day for about 5 months now and nothing negative has come around.
>>37713648
Aww, poor bby is mad because he's only just discovered that his diet isn't good in for him.
Instead of checking facts, do you always lie to yourself to excuse your ignorance? It's okay sweetie. The answers are out there, you just need to persevere.
>>37713762
That's weird that they "are no where near" each other, yet they are both classified as group 1, carcinogenic to humans.
>>37709513
>sugar
>protein
wut
>>37713797
no they aren't. PROCESSED red meat was classified group 1
red meat was classified group 2a. learn to read hippy
>>37713797
also, right below
>9. Processed meat was classified as carcinogenic to humans (Group 1). Tobacco smoking and asbestos are also both classified as carcinogenic to humans (Group 1). Does it mean that consumption of processed meat is as carcinogenic as tobacco smoking and asbestos?
>No, processed meat has been classified in the same category as causes of cancer such as tobacco smoking and asbestos (IARC Group 1, carcinogenic to humans), but this does NOT mean that they are all equally dangerous. The IARC classifications describe the strength of the scientific evidence about an agent being a cause of cancer, rather than assessing the level of risk.
for the mentally impaired like you
I Eat tofu every day since 3 months, and still want to fuck girls. It's a meme.
>>37713713
You clearly don't understand how the classification scheme works.
from the who report you're jacking off too
"The classification gives you an idea about the strength of evidence that it causes cancer but it doesn't give you any clue about how much you need to be exposed to have cancer, it's not a classification about the risk."
Ferrence, a go-to expert on tobacco, has no problem with that. "There are lots of things that are Group 1 carcinogens that are less hazardous than tobacco.
"It means they're known carcinogens, it doesn't say anything about the magnitude of the risk, or the magnitude of the consequences."
"The risks of smoking and the risks of a diet high in processed meats are not limited to just one disease, so a risk assessment of just bowel cancer, the focus of the meta-analysis, won't give someone a complete picture on which to make personal choices."
Congratulations on basing your lifestyle on a bullshit misunderstanding of basic English.
>>37713820
Most red meat is processed
>>37713834
This doesn't disprove what I said, it actually validates my point. You said, they're nowhere near each other, yet this shows that they don't evaluate risk, and so it's not proven one way or another. For all we know, tobacco could be less cancerous. The fact that they're classified the same is evidence, that the statement they aren't anywhere near each other, without any support, is absurd. They both have shown without reasonable doubt, that consumption of them causes cancer. That's what you should be focused on.
This is some grade a cognitive dissonance. Y'all are confronted with a fact, recognize it, and go full defense mode, fighting everything semantical thing you can, except your own beliefs. What's the point of even arguing?
>>37713892
You guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying all together. If I once argued that processed meat is more cancerous than tobacco, maybe you'd have some credence in what you're saying. If I smoked cigarettes, but didn't eat bacon because of it's classification, then I'd agree, my lifestyle would be hypocritical.
At the end of the day, I'm basing my diet off of what is best for the environment, my own health, and with regard to the right to life of all sentient beings.
>>37713899
>for all we know tobacco could be less cancerous then smoking
...really? That's your arguement. Fuck me you're a moron. It's hard to intelligently debate absurdity but I challenge you to find a single peer reviewed study that suggests that your statement is even up for debate.
>>37713899
>For all we know, tobacco could be less cancerous
are you retarded? i am asking you legitimately cause i see that you don't know jack shit about cancer yet you go on about your failed argument like a moron
>Most red meat is processed
no it's not. processed red meats are deli shit and sausages, smoked meats etc. cuts you get from the butcher, that you cook to eat are not processed.
you are the one in full defense mode here, defending your rabbit grass eating diet on the grounds that "meat causes cancer", when in reality specific meat causes cancer if it has been prepared and cooked in specific ways.
go eat a green smoothy now to detox you fucking hippy liberal
>>37713935
>At the end of the day, I'm basing my diet off of what is best for making me feel like a real fucking special snowflake
fify
>>37713975
>inb4 that's not what i said
it's funny how vegans don't even know how to argue for their life choices. the only true argument for veganism, is that it's better for the environment. instead of focusing on that, they go on about the "health benefits" while most of them look like anemic auschwitz survivors
>>37713935
All people are animals, but not all animals are people. Simple fucking principal.
>>37714021
"Health" or bullshit right to life arguements.
>>37714101
well morality is subjective, but even that i understand to a degree.
>>37709493
Tranny here who's done a lot of research into phytoestrogens. You have to pretty much replace your diet with 100% soy all the time for it to have any effect on you and even then it wouldn't do anything near real estrogen.
Although it doesn't really concern men because they usually don't have much estrogen in their system, in women and people taking bioidentical estrogen it'll actually lessen the effects of estrogen because the phytoestrogen takes up receptors and is much much less effective.
If you already have gynecomastia it might be worth skipping it though since it may worsen other underlying hormone issues.
If you're really concerned about your hormones just ask your doctor for a blood test for them.
>>37714307
Don't listen to xer! I was going to major in STEM until I accidentally had soy milk at a party. Now I'm majoring in sociology with a minor in Spanish lit and my boyfriend Steven is trying to make me wear assless chaps when he fucks me.
>>37714347
i shouldnt have laughed as much as i did
>>37714347
Don't missgender me you misogynistic white devil! My pronouns are fit/fits/fitself
>>37714479
>This is what whoever actually believes
Unbelievable.
>>37714556
It's ok anon trans people already know we're memes.
>>37714479
that picture perfectly sums up my experience with ever tranny, awesome
Been out of this thread for a while so not going to search the posts, but:
HIGH CHOLESTEROROL FOODS (e.g. eggs) ARE BAD:
basically the few studies that say otherwise (were funded by the egg industry and) investigated individuals with near saturation levels of LDL, and then of cause more cholesterol doesn't raise the levels. Here is research that says it's bad:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/313701
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437
there is tons more!
>>37713582
WHEY IS BAD:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/82/1/69.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25475435
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6389060
>>37713535
And to the idiot that said amino acids don't cause cancer, you there are more than the essential amino acids. E.g. Methionine, which is a sulfur-containing amino acid, that feeds cancer cells and foster heart deseas. It's found in whey and eggs (even in the whites), yay!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18789600
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15955547
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22342103
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21836027
>>37710813
No you retard, that just means its safe to eat until you get prostate/breast cancer. That doesnt mean it wont effect your hormones even if you eat a little.
Soyfags are hilarious desu.
>>37715072
Methionine is in every protein source goddamn retard, plant-based like soy included. Also soy is high in arginine which also promotes cancer while animal-based protein are all low in arginine. You can also take taurine to inhibit methionine absorption.
>>37714021
Yay, "it's better for the environment" is the only argument, except that
>>37715072
shows how eggs are bad, others posted some of the research why meat is bad (e.g. http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1134845), there's a ton of stuff why chicken is even worse and milk products are bad (http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015).
Its late but seriously there is so much on this.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16094059
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20820038
