When did you stop believing the "military is fit" meme?
military is fit
fit doesnt mean built or shredded
military is about functional athletic ability - they want you to have just enough strength to lift your equipment, and then be able to do a ton of fucking cardio with it on your back.
>>37629361
>>37629457
usually the field troops dont have time to lift so the people who stay behind have more time to gym and ultimately get bigger
>>37629457
Strong and fit arent the same. Have u seen what they feed the soldiers? Ive seen fit people get fat from joining
being big or strong is completely useless in modern battle. they train your endurance so you can walk for weeks with shit on your back and do occasional sprints without being exhausted. that's about it for "military fit".
>>37629361
When I joined and saw all they did organized was half-assed crossfit that got people hurt, with no concept of proper recovery, progression, or an actual diet that sustains combat capability.
I got flabby in boot camp because military fitness is a joke. Got my gains back in A-school though.
>>37629361
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>>37629514
You won't be able to 'properly recover' when Muhammad is shooting at you anon.
>>37629505
Please elaborate. Do you mean MREs?
>>37629581
He means DIFAC food...it's garbage. And on post, it's either that or fast food for barracks personnel.
>>37629563
Training for maximum capability rarely means training exactly how you would fight due to risk involved. If you get injured in training, you're not gonna fight at all.
The only part of the military that actually gets somewhat strong/ripped from their training is special forces, and thats usually because they're on a shitload of gear and drugs.
>>37629607
Pretty much this yeah
>>37629522
Rah. What MOS
>>37629853
Hooyah actually. Sonar technician submarines.
>>37629361
When i joined i weighed about 120lb. You need to lift your body weight a lot so the leaner you are the better.
Otter mode guys are best suited for military life. 1RMs mean nothing, it's all about being able to run and carry shit around all day long.
Lmao such a HUGE misconception of military personnel.
First of all, the guy in OP's pic is a boot and will most likely remain a dyel manlet for the rest of his life.
Don't get me wrong, though, several troops end up stronger and bigger throughout their enlistment. They just don't all end up like fukkin zyzz brah.
I'm pretty dyel but got laid plenty because bitches would get wet whenever they heard me say the word "Marine"
All women are whores.
>>37629522
Perma bulking until basic then 8 month tech school.
How did you keep your gains?
It's just like the normal world, but there's a bunch of Greek gyms around. Regular Armey physical training is to help keep you at a baseline of fitness, not to make you some superior athlete. You still need to lift regularly just like normal life because only doing physical training will have you look like any other dyel around.
>>37629522
>military fitness is a joke
What does this even mean?
>>37632412
Bar for entry is actually pretty low
>>37632424
What are the standards
Only fit people are combat swimmers and jet pilots.
>>37629502
What are you taking about? Unless you're out there in the shittiest of fobs then nearly every base you'll be on has some form of gym. We all got jacked on our deployments.
>>37633085
You mean you all jacked off each other on deployment.
>militarycuck
>>37633141
You'd join the navy for that.
>>37632474
only spec ops have high standards but its mostly cardio
airforce regular enlisted :
13:30 mile and a half
50 push ups 1 minute
50 sit ups 1 minute
there are points and a minimum, so if you get the bare min run time of 1330 you have to max out pushups/situps at like 70 each to barely pass
or you can run a 9 minute 1.5 miles and do about 30 pushups / 35 sit ups
Why would being a big muscular shredded cunt make you a better soldier? The scariest soldiers are the little unassuming guys that can walk for three days at a time with full gear and still be able to shoot straight. Endurance is far more important than raw strength. The mental aspects are a whole other matter,, but the body of an Olympic lifter of body builder would be ill suited for modern combat.
>>37629509
yup, thanks to guns muscle has diminishing returns for combat usefulness. Back in the days of hand to hand combat more strength meant you could crush/slash/stab harder but these days as long as you can steady a rifle in between bouts of intense cardio you're good for combat. Lots of the more "operator" types get shredded anyways though
>>37630742
Yep, just gotta be "real".
>Tfw have to do my mandatory military service next week or go to jail for 2 years
>Tfw im so scared of losing my gains to insane cardio and low resistance/high rep training
>>37633141
Hearty kek
>>37634297
What country?
Just go to jail and get jacked juse not raped
>>37634317
Estonia
It lasts for 11 months
>>37634335
Thats not that bad i guess
>>37634335
>11 months
I could do that on my head You'll be fine
>>37629361
while i was in...have you seen those navy chiefs? holy fuck...
>>37634340
11 months will destroy my 2 years of work, although I've been very persistent on getting into Valga recruitment camp bc they atleast should have a nice gym there. I dont know how much time Id have to actually go there
>>37634377
You'll be alright, your gains should be ok
Beats jail at least
>>37634397
Damn I even tried to flunk my fucking physical examination by pretending to have all sorts of fucked up knees and lower back. The doc st8 up told me to stop being a pusyy and sent me to the mental examination. Tried my best to act autistic as hell but the examiner thought I was still fit for service.
The fucking NATO general physical test norms are a meme
>>37634440
lol you shouldve drank cough syrup or somethin before the mental examination
At least u tried kek
>>37634466
Worse option would've been to actually be diagnosed as schizophrenic and sent to a mental institution
Why the hell does military still use crunches to measure strenght? Look literally a meme exercise
>>37629361
About the same time I stopped believing the "military can fight" meme
>>37634490
US military is a meme. I saw some of your troops stationed in Ämari, they were mostly overweight and manlets. "But that's airforce for ya". No. The cavalry niggers were also short af and old as shit
>>37634516
> implying I'm a burger
>>37634479
I dont know, most of the standards are outdated and retarded af
>>37634516
Their just unspecialized meatheads. If you saw the standard sniper commandos or delta operator (delta force are the real muscle, they do the dirty work) are kept at I REALLY think you'd eat your words. Delta operators are the direct fighters for executive orders, etc. Marines are also a much higher standard, infantry are plebs. The average US infantry man: 20,000 dollars of gear
Average Chinese soldier: 1,400 USD of equipment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Force
>>37634582
> can't get homophones straight
> calling other people meatheads
That's a pretty rickety glass house you got there.
>>37634582
>His country spends that much on military
>Military that you will never utilize
>Could invest it in socialism and medical insurance
>Both president candidates are retarded
>2 party system (""""""democracy"""""")
I really cant tell if USA is serious or just a meme
>>37634630
No you are retarded
>>37634594
>relying on being a grammar nazi
>not realizing the fallacy of "too much money in military means lack of training".
America #1, trump for president bitches!!!
>>37634630
>socialism
Even when Lennon did it right it was still fucked. Socialism does not work, even "on paper". You know what works? A system built from the ground up, aka a republic. A true republic does not exist at this point, America is a fascist oligarchy. America will rule over the world again soon enough, China will collapse or reach an apex because of its government. A republic should a large group of acedmia's from all fields and parties representing the people, doing group votes. Large group of college educated acedmia's>Sheep with no plan of action.
>>37634667
Seems like I shut up everybody pretty well, huh?
>>37634730
Yeah the bernouts and 'LOL COMMUNISM IS COOL ILL KEEP MY COMFY LIFE AND JUST GET MONEY YAY' people piss me off
>>37634667
>Large group of college educated acedmia's
Seems like a great plan if you want to make sweden look alpha as fuck.
>>37634516
Says the eurofag who gets cuck by muslims and country looks to America for support
>>37634902
No mane only less than 500 niggers in my country. USA never helped us, sold us out at the end of WW2 and broke their word
>>37629522
CTT2 here, sup Navy bro
>>37634667
what you are describing is an aristocracy. the problem starts when the people making decisions start working in their own interest (and they will) because that's how you get an oligarrchy or monarchy
>>37634297
Finn here. If your military is anything like ours, it depends on what you're trained as.
I was a military police for 9 months, lost my gains because of getting ill, not getting enough nourishment (granted this was partially my fault for not buying all that tinned tuna for camping) and lots of cardio and no time for gym.
However, if you're a driver...
>>37632531
Beach volleyball maximum gains.
>>37633189
We had one girl in our DEP who was on her 15 day and couldn't do a single pushup. Fuckin ridiculous, I'd love to see what they do to her at Lackland
>>37634902
tell me why trump build a wall again ?
>>37633189
recon indoc i did for 3rd out in oki a number of years ago
Day 1, Morning.
Tread water for 30 mins. Any signs of panic or fatigue, you're out. Lost a third of the indoc platoon right there.
Swin qaul. 1st class minimum.
More treading water and swimming laps holding a brick.
Day 1, After noon chow. We were told to eat light.
Two back to back PFT's. First had to be 270 or higher, second had to be minimum 225 or so.
Tower jumps and rappeling. Obstacle course runs for time.
Day 1, After evening chow.
Hump, 10 miles or so.
Day 2, Morning.
Mogadishu miles. Shit sucked hard. Jogging pace with full combat gear, all your CIF gear on your back and a SAW.
Day 2, After noon chow. Told to eat light.
Beach run and ocean swim. Ran back to the pool to do flipper shit and small boat shit.
Day 2, Evening.
Grappling. Sucked hard because if you got tired and stopped fighting they'd kick you in the thighs until you started fighting again.
Day 3, Morning.
Another PFT, another swim qual, another hike with weapons. Legs were a world of pain from getting drilled in the thighs the night before during grappling.
Final board screening, stand before 3rd Recon CO, 1st Sgt, Company Gunny and assorted team leaders.
The gaps in time were filled with fuck-fuck games, getting smoked and weapons maintenance.
Only six of us made it. We started with over fifty.
>>37629505
that's because you need the craptons of energy in the field.
>>37629361
When I got in and saw overweight females and dyel males fucking everywhere. Got treated like a god in training, thankfully my shop is full of like-minded Individuals and almost everyone lifts.
When I learned that their PT standards are shit like "50 pushups" "run a 5k in half an hour" "100 crunches in a minute" and other stuff I can do when I'm out of shape.
I'm sure the more hardcore guys like seals or whatever have higher standards though.
>>37629361
military is pretty much being a cardiobunny all day.
I went fully barely ottermode while in the military. If you want aesthetic gains, military is a dumb idea and I don't understand why anybody would see it differently.
>>37629361
Right after MOS/AFSC training.
Great deal of overweight and skinnyfat NCOs and Airmen running around on every base.
>>37629502
>>37633085
Ehhh the biggest pogs are generally the most yoked. Not saying that infantry etc. is small.
>>37633509
t.manlet
>>37635819
Am I the only one that thinks this should be basic infantry training?
Why send 100 soft fuckers over, when you can send 10 combat ready and hardened men to do the job?
>>37629853
boot faggot
>>37634667
The United States fiscal system is a house of cards. Google "petrodollar"
>>37637048
cus this isnt 300
>>37638061
>not wanting the best fighting force the world could provide
>not wanting combat supremacy troops
>thinking everyone has a right to fight for our country
>lacks standards, especially in fitness
>compares modern day warriors to manlets of years ago
Failed b8 m8
>>37638162
hurr fellas lets take 10 men instead of 100
you think dividing ur army force by 10 will save u from the chinese?
if were assuming theres 320million people living in the us and they all joined the army
and only 10% made it
32 million
and now a fucking billion chinese
100million
u think 32billion well trained hardened men could take on a billion fucking chinese
murica didnt even win the vietnam war
>>37634335
Haha, get fucked manlet.
It isn't actually that bad. Depends on where you're going to serve. I did my conscription a couple of years back in Kuperjanov and it's just alot of cardio and mental games.
If you're semi-fit, then you're gouing to make it. The people who were above average in strenght or bodybuilding, had difficulties, because of the cardio or because the training wasn't intense enough. Ottermode is probalby the best.
Anyway, 11 months, so I would recommend getting your C or D license and becoming a driver. I did NCO course and that was just a total let down.
>>37638221
Also, during basic you don't have gym privilege, so you're just stuck with cardio and body weight excercies. After basic you can go to the gym and based on your Battallion/company/platoon, you will either have alot of time to spend there or nothing at all.
my brother is 1-187 11b and i destroy him in everything. but also have a 18a buddy who destroys me in everything.
>>37638208
>inflamed youngster proceeds to protest
1. Mistake, we do not fight in straight lines anymore.
All modern successful military tactics are guerrilla warfare to some degree.
Shock and Awe, Raids, Blitzkrieg, etc.You don't need a fuckton of people for that.
2.Mistake, 1:1 in modern engagements.
You are saying that chinese crap from the 80's is just as good
as modern US military equipment.
It's not. And if we specialize every combat troop instead of fluffing numbers,
The cost of troop upkeep will diminish as
specialized training and equipment goes up.
Imagine every infantry was, at a minimum, trained to Army Ranger qualifications and given
similar equipment.
>Murica didn't win the Vietnam war meme
The Vietnamese died in a ratio of 5:1
We could have stayed and murdered the entire country if we wanted to.
We didn't lose, we left because communism is a lost cause.
>>37638344
damn nigga chill
i was just trying to bait
>>37638532
Don't be embarrassed.
>>37629457
This. I know plenty of skinnyfats who went through basic and did their tours and look like regular people.
Doesn't mean to be shredded, but it does mean to have the stamina and WILLPOWER to endure stupid shit.
People forget that word a lot when it comes to being fit, same deal with quitting a vice. Willpower.
>>37635670
been there for BMT, if she couldn't do a single push up in DEP then there's no way in hell she graduated. you need to pass a bare minimum to graduate.
My brother in law is National Guard and was on track for Rangers (don't know why he stopped) and he has bigger arms now than when he enlisted, but he also does manual labor outside his military shit. Aside from the arms, he looks the same as he did 5 years ago
>>37637004
I'm in the infantry most dudes are DYEL as fuck but can run forever and bang out push ups and sit ups like nothing. That's really all they care about is your pt score. If you wanna get big that's on your own time but we go out to the field for like 4 months out of the year spread throughout the year like we're going to ntc twice this year so that's 2 months of no gym or doing anything really plus random week or 2 week long training
Should i join the canadian reserves? Reserve in general confuses me, You are a a part time soldier? Like you get non of the benefits of being a soldier but you can still be called out?
Well, basically everyone in my family have served in the military, (I probably will too depending on how poorly my career aspirations turn out.) and basically, they just make you run A LOT and do a lot of body weight core exercises for the time you're in boot camp.
If you're kinda fat you will lose weight, stand taller, and have a hollow look in your eye (Like my brother.) after doing LOTS of cardio, but if you go into it reasonably fit it's apparently a joke. Of course, nobody goes into it fit, and the people who are obviously physically capable generally get asked to go into a more difficult track like spec ops unless they're just straight up retarded or something. Obviously that doesn't apply to officers or people who are going to be using technical skills (Like everyone in my family because we're not retarded.). They'll just have a super easy time in general.
>>37629361
So fit means built? Idiot.
>>37630609
STS what a fucking fag. Go play grab ass with all your other sonar turds.
>>37634466
the mental examination is a joke, and you can fuck up future job opportunities if they label you as unstable. Best option is to get as many papers about any issues you might have and bitch about it, after 4-5 examinations they'll let you go cuz it's not worth the trouble.
>>37638221
>Manlet
Im 6'3 niggerlord
Ironically enough it's easiest to get ripped serving on an SSBN (ballistic missile sub) because of how much downtime there is.
>>37639588
Most of my friends who went to basic said they got in worse shape there because it's designed so that Fatty McRetard who somehow got a waiver for his tremendous bodyweight can pass.
>>37635486
FUCK phaggot drivers !
yours truly, HAJJ jääkäri
well my mate went into the military with 74 kilos and now weights around 82kg. before he got into the army, he could barely put size on eventho he lifted like a madcunt and doesn't lift now.
>>37637048
Because war is a numbers game. A bullet kills a fit fucker just as quick as a fat slob. Also 100 guys can occupy an area with a far greater tactical significance than 10 guys can.
>>37629361
I mean, the military can be a great way to get big, but if you're a grunt and in the field all the time it is hard to maintain what you've built.
Some of the best gains I've had were from being on ship, cause all there is to do is eat and lift. I was like 145 when I got done with a month of training in Ft. Pickett VA at the end of February, and was 170 at the end of May because I got put on mess duty. Shit was cash because I could eat as much as I wanted all the time.
Pic related, current body, still dyel tho.
>>37637048
Because then that ied that takes out 10 guys destroys your whole unit instead of only 10% of it.
>>37638344
The cost of troop upkeep would actually increase. One thing that keeps troop costs down is through economy of scale. Being able to mass produce standardized equipment is cheaper than issuing specialized equipment even if it's for fewer soldiers.
>>37629361
boot as fuck
>>37640167
Well, at my brother's boot graduation I got to see pretty much everyone who graduated, and I don't remember anyone seeming fucking OBESE, but there were definitely some chubby dudes.
Mostly, there were a lot of DYEL's.
I'm pretty sure that generally fatties won't apply to the military because they're too intimidated to try, the reason the standards are so low is probably because a lot of 18 year old skinnyfats that have never exercised in their lives sign up.
As I said, you will do excessive cardio and bodyweight shit, but you will not under any circumstances pick up any iron while you are there.
Basically, it's a mandatory cut if you're actually in shape and you will lose gainz for sure.
>>37638344
>We didn't lose Vietnam
>>37638344
When guns, booby traps, and bombs are the weapons of war an individual soldiers value is so diminished that the difference between a poor rice farmer and an elite special forces soldier is pretty negligible. Its just a warm body that shoots at the enemy. Special forces have there place when coordination is neccassary but it would be a huge waste of resources to risk your high value soldiers defending an installation.
>>37641627
Can confirm
>>37634335
Dont worry bro, I gained mass while in the estonian military, try to get to Paldiski, nice gym there. After 3 months of basic training you are gonna have loads of free time and you can use that to train. Just buy some protein powder because some days there is little food.
Anyone know how the military is in Norway? Going there in 2 months. Want to keep my gains.
>>37638344
The whole point of the Vietnam War was to contain Communism
... Didn't work out so well
>all these cucks in the thread bragging about risking their life for Israel
>>37634297
Putsi su ''gainsid'', teeni oma riiki uhkusega ja ära ole selline kusi. Ehk näeme paari nädala pärast
Can I ask a deadass serious question to the military personnel in this thread? Why are you involved in the military? I assume you're USA, so if that's wrong, ignore this, but seeing what the military is doing all over the world, surely you don't think America is right? Have you ever been given an order that clashed with your personal beliefs?
I used to live near PI where all of the Marines for the eastern half of the US train.
A lot of the recruits where skinny fat kids, a few were in decent shape.
However, on base the career military guys have realized that they have to look the part.
They lift and a good amount even roid. There are definitely some big guys there.
>>37644133
he said hes from estonia faggot
>>37639961
Kel stay mad.
>>37630807
Lost gains in boot camp. Tech school was easy. Stay at the top of your class, don't do dumb shit, and you'll have plenty of time to lift.
