Is 1/2/3/4 pl8 achievable on Starting Strength?
>>37307404
it's good to start getting strong.
Jeez lowbar is embarassing
Looks like a fucking good morning
>>37307404
Started in mid january on gslp (almost the same shit as ss)
Got 1pl8 ohp for 4 rep
200lb bench for 6 (i am chestlet)
35lb chin up for 5
I dont squat or deadlift because i am a tremendous faggot, but i hip thrust 275x6
If you remember to eat and sleep, sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TB0PpIGcX0
>>37307448
>only doing one type of squat
Disappointing, famiglia
>>37307463
Highbar or box squats is enough, if you want to do a goodmorning do one
>>37307404
Depends. Some people who have more talent/athletic background can ride beginner progression pretty high, but someone with a sedentary background probably won't be able to linearly progress that high.
>>37307404
if you actually do SS, you could probably achieve that in 3-6 months.
>>37307404
>Is 1/2/3/4 pl8 achievable on Starting Strength?
it's not only achievable, it's below average for an average young guy IF he does the program correctly. I'm not very athletic and I was doing more than 1/2/3 for 3x5 by the end of the program. I didn't get to 4pl8x5 deadlift, but I could have gotten at least one rep if I wanted to.
>>37307498
>didn't get to 4pl8x5 deadlift
did you stop or change to some program with less/other leg work?
>>37307449
Stats?
I don't know if I could get to 1/2/3/4 at my current weight without putting on about 40 pounds (5'10" 150), but deadlift and OHP are my strongest exercises at 110/315.
I am not DTP right because I have gained only a little weight since I started SS, but my lifts have still gone up from empty bar to 3x5 110 ohp 1.5 bench 2 plate squat 3 plate deadlift. I look better too, so I had a bit of recomp versus just gaining weight.
>>37307562
I'm doing texas method now. I'm not saying I never got to 4pl8, but I couldn't do it on SS.
>>37307404
i got 1/2/3/4 in 1 year of random split training,
now i ohp 175 bench 245 squat 410 and deadlift 500, got there in another year using texas method.
i know my upper body is shit but i have shoulder issues
>>37307404
Yes, but only if you modify it.
Don't squat every day once you hit 2pl8. Doing the big 3 consistently with squats every day leaves you with less energy to spend on properly doing big volume.
The key point is to eat a lot. Its the one thing that people really underestimate. You'll make gains like fucking crazy.
They call it starting strength but most intermediate routines call for the big 3 anyway.
>>37307571
if you stay at 150lbs at your height you can forget about hitting the numbers people typically hit on SS. it's your choice. at your height you should be around 190-200lbs at the end of the program if you do it right.
>>37307497
3 to 6 months to get a 225 bench 315 squat and 405 deadlift? I'm all for hard work and noob gains but I dont believe that. 9 months to a year maybe but 6 month's at the longest is really ambitious even for 1rm and if you had normal genetics and good squat and deadlift bone structures
>>37307634
I can tell you haven't done SS with proper nutrition. those numbers are totally possible for someone with average genetics.
>>37307634
bait?
Bro I could bench 225 when i was 18 and only within 4 months of training. I weighted 180lbs tho
>>37307634
if you do SS strickly, with the appropriate diet and sleep schedule, 1234 is definitely possible by 6 months.
For example, if you start the bench press with just the bar, and do a progressive load of 10lbs per workout, you would hit 2plate on the 13th week, almost the 3rd month. This is assuming you eat all the calories you need, drink all the water you need and get all the sleep you need. If you increase it by 5lbs per workout, you'll get there in 6 months.
>>37307571
5'9 180. Started 190, cut to 175 then slowly rose to 180 eating at """maintenance""" when the progression slowed from cutting so hard (was running 850-1000 kcal deficit for a while)
The progression is already stalling on ohp again, so i think i am going to substitute ohp for push press, because symmetricstrength says push press is my weakest lift and ohp is my strongest
/blog
>>37307634
I have been lifting under 6 months and my bench 1rm is supposedly 230 (according to a calc)
>>37307634
I started SS in october 2014. During march 2015 I hit 1/2/3 all for 3x5. In may 2015 I stopped SS and my best deadlift was 165kgx5, my best squat was 3x5x168kg, press 3x5x63kg and bench 3x5x102kg.
>>37307678
if you start bench press with just the bar you're doing it wrong. SS doesn't tell you to start anything with just the bar, and if you're so weak that you have to then it's unlikely you'll progress that fast.
>>37307764
best squat was 3x5x148kg, not 168kg.
I started at 180 5'8 in January and am the same weight now, but lower bf %
OHP(started in Feb) 95 1 rep max -> 115 3 rep max
Olympic squat, 65 5 rep max-> 245 3 rep max
Front squat( started in March) , 95 5 rep max -> 225 3 rep max
Bench( did this a few months before hand but stopped benching I'm Feb, but started again this week) , 115 3 rep max -> 185 3 rep max
Deadlift( stopped between Feb till last week) 225 5 rep max -> 315 5 rep max
>>37307475
>box squats
end yourself
>>37307779
why do autistic faggots like you always have to hyperfocus on one little bit of an example and have a autism fit over it? I was just trying to make a point
>>37307779
>SS doesn't tell you to start anything with just the bar
what does SS tell you to start with them rippletits?
>>37307404
1/2/3/4 is achievable on your first day in the gym
Just not by you.
>>37307779
I never start with the bar.
I put the plates on my erect penis.
The lowest front squat imaginable. (Or should I start doing testicle tie squats?)
>>37307779
>SS doesn't tell you to start anything with just the bar
>>37307818
try tumblr
>>37307940
That is as a warm up, not as a working set.
You are either legit retarded or being misleading on purpose
>>37307940
try to actually read the book instead of searching for words in a pdf. we're not talking about what you do for warmups, but what your work sets will be the first day.
>>37307984
>>37307987
>whether learning the lift for the first time or...
Typically those who can tended to have athletic backgrounds to some degree, compared to those of us who can't because we sat around playing video games as teenagers.
Generally speaking the former will never even try to understand the plight of the latter.
>>37307994
ok, now find the part that tells you how to pick your weights the first day.
>>37308005
We're talking about where you START on the first day, not what your last set on the first day will be.
>>37307463
highbar/front all u need son. i had to do boxsquats for 8 months when i had a back injury however
>>37307678
You're not going to keep adding 10 lbs to the bar every workout on bench. Trust me.
>>37307764
I envy your stats and I'm not even there after over 1 year of lifting.
Why are you people so full of shit? 1/2/3/4 is better than most people ever get to, and definitely above a fucking beginner.
>just add 5 lb to the bar every time and in 6 month you bench 2pl8
no, you can't do keep on doing that. around 1 pl8 people stall and plateau
>i did weight training for 5 years, took roids, and now I can bench press 4 plates after 4 months of SS!!!!111!
If you're already a fuck with lots of training under your belt it doesn't fucking count. When people talk about beginner program timetables it's assumed the lifter is new or they wouldn't be on a beginner program.
All you faggots bullshitting and e-statting really confuses people that want to genuinely share progress. If you're new it's going to take you at least a year for 1/2/3/4 for reps and you'll probably finish SS before then.
>>37308023
no, we're not.
the discussion was about how fast your progression would be. you increase your working set by 5/10 pounds, not your first lift of the day
you finding your working set on the first day is the equivalent of warming up on your other days anyway
>>37308030
>highbar/front all u need son
Lowbar/fron would be better
>>37308054
I would envy those stats too, although the faggot forget to mention one of these three
>on roids
>make up e-stats
>been training before going on a 'beginner' program and then bragging about progress on beginner program
>>37308023
>We're talking about where you START on the first day
we're obviously not. look at the original post:
>>37307678
>if you start the bench press with just the bar, and do a progressive load of 10lbs per workout, you would hit 2plate on the 13th week, almost the 3rd month
this statement would make no sense unless you do your work sets with the empty bar the first day
>>37308095
GOMAD, bro. GOMAD.
>>37307404
for 1rm, yes.
for working weight, probably not.
keep in mind if you were a shut-in loser during your childhood/teenage years, you can't expect to be as strong or progress as fast as someone who has had a background of sports or manual labor.
i hit 135x3 ohp, 225x2 bench, 315x1 squat, and 365x1 deadlift in 7.5 months
>inb4 shit deadlift
i know
>>37308095
>the faggot forget to mention one of these three
no, none of those were true. if you had said
>got a little chubby
then yes, it would be true. I was not lean by the end of it, but it wasn't too bad and cutting wasn't that hard. you're not getting those numbers while keeping your abs, but you can get your abs back later if neccesary.
>>37307940
thats the fucking warmup you twat not what youre doing 3x5
>>37308105
Don't do GOMAD (or fall for the hard bulk meme) unless you want to be an ugly fat unathletic powerlifter. Those of us who enjoy having sex with girls and playing actual sports like to have a BF% below 30
>>37308126
you're not that far off, though. are you saying that your training and diet was optimal during those 7.5 months and that nobody should expect to do any better than you did?
>>37308067
I've never lifted before, but I've been doing sports for a while. After 5 months of SS I'm at 130/195/295/345 for working sets, my progress hasn't been good since I had to correct my form a couple of times. Either way in a month Im sure 1/2/3/4 would be doable for at least 1RM. It also depends on your initial BW
>>37308156
SS basically requires you to get a little chubby if you want to do it properly. not 30%, though, more like 15-20%. if the thought of temporarily losing your abs is too painful then don't do it, but then you should also stay out of any thread talking about the strength progress you can expect on SS.
>>37308137
Right, so in 6 months you went from never touching a barbell to benching 225 for reps. You'd think that I'd see lots of actual irl people that dont just shitpost repping out 225 since a beginner can get it in 6 months on SS. Oh wait.
>>37308184
wanna know how I know you have no idea how to estimate bf%?
>>37308137
What routine you did after SS while cutting?
>>37307953
got it, so you're just a retard. kys (kill yourself)
>>37308192
>in 6 months you went from never touching a barbell to benching 225 for reps
correct
>You'd think that I'd see lots of actual irl people that dont just shitpost repping out 225 since a beginner can get it in 6 months on SS
you do realize than 95% of the people in public gyms are completely clueless? the whole point here is that SS is a very good routine that gives way better results than the average guy in a public gym will see. it's not only SS, though. join a good powerlifting gym and you'll get a routine and advice that will give you the same results. it's not incredible, but it requires you to do shit right, unlike the people you see IRL.
>>37308098
so what exactly about that statement gets you worked up and proves that 3-6 months is unreasonable to hit 1234?
>>37308206
I did lyle's rapid fat loss diet. the routine I did was a simple 2 day/week routine with low volume and high intensity. I tried to keep as much strength as possible while losing weight as quickly as possible. after that I started texas method
>>37308196
wanna know how I know you have never done SS?
>>37308161
not really. i switched off from SS to a 6 day PPL because I didn't like doing lowerbody so often (which explains my poverty deadlift). i feel if i bulked hard and did SS longer i'd be a bit stronger, but i wanted more upper body and volume in general.
i got around 9h of sleep every night, and ate pretty shittily to be honest (fast food 4x a week)
ive played soccer and basketball as a kid so i came into the gym with a decent enough base (i could dl 225 for 1 with shitty form), and currently play rugby.
not to say anyone can't or shouldn't expect more than this, ive seen guys put up a 2 plate bench their first day in the gym.
>>37308238
Almost everyone trains bench. Since SS is basically just the simple compounds, your bench improvement is coming from doing bench which doesn't make you a special snowflake. Weighlifting isn't a fucking art, just lift the weights and over time you will improve.
Nobody I know in real came close to repping 225 after 6 months. I sure as fuck didn't and I went to the gym consistently and ate/slept fine. However when I open up 4chan, a place where all the pics I see are skinnyfat DYELs everyone is out there repping 225 ez.
It's all BS and I feel bad for actual beginners that are getting trolled and would get discouraged at their progress.
>>37308248
strawman. I never said that. I said SS (unlike SL) doesn't make you start with the bar the first day.
you can reach 1234 on SS in 3-6 months. I did it myself, and so have a shit ton of other people.
>>37307678
Yeah m8 because you totally wouldn't stall after a few weeks of adding 10-20lbs a week to your bench working sets
Have you ever lifted?
>>37308322
>Almost everyone trains bench
yes, and they almost always do it wrong. wrong technique and far too many reps, sets and exercises for their level of training advancement.
>just lift the weights and over time you will improve.
sure, but some ways are much faster. it's also not uncommon to see people do the same stupid shit for years and never get anywhere, so it's not always true that you'll improve over time.
join an actual powerlifting gym and you'll see that 2 plates in 6 months is NOT SPECIAL. you seem to think that you can just do whatever in the gym and you'll get optimal progress. you won't. some routines are much better than others, and the importance of nutrition cannot be overstated.
>>37308395
Honestly this is how I know you're a DYEL shitposter. The autistic focus on reps/sets is so misplaced. Whether you do 3x3 or 6x8 guess what, you are going to progress at roughly the same rate. Inb4 1 study with slight variation, meta studies show that it really doesn't matter.
Sure some people have bad technique, but most can bench fine. Some routines are better than others, but anyone claiming they went from nothing to 225 reps in 6 months is making shit up regardless of what their routine is.
>>37308457
sure, buddy. you're right. you're making the most optimal progress. you're doing everything right. it's not possible to progress faster than you. nobody can achieve anything, and if someone says they have done anything better than the general population they are lying. all routines are beautiful. every routine produces the same results.
let us know in a couple of years when you get that 2 plate bench!
I'm 5'11 163lbs and have 130lb 5rm for bench press after 3 weeks of SS. Is this good progress?
>>37308457
Kek
225 in 6 months is doable doing any routine which involves LP, if you add weight every 2 months, then yeah...you will never get there
>>37308457
> but anyone claiming they went from nothing to 225 reps in 6 months is making shit up regardless of what their routine is.
lol
>>37308329
let me quote my original post and tell me what got you so butt blasted
>if you do SS strickly, with the appropriate diet and sleep schedule, 1234 is definitely possible by 6 months.
>For example, if you start the bench press with just the bar, and do a progressive load of 10lbs per workout, you would hit 2plate on the 13th week, almost the 3rd month. This is assuming you eat all the calories you need, drink all the water you need and get all the sleep you need. If you increase it by 5lbs per workout, you'll get there in 6 months.
what does SS make you start with? Where did I say you have to start at the bar? Why do you have to repeat my argument?
>>37308365
if you're stalling after a few weeks, YNDTP. If it takes you more than 6months to reach 2plate, you fucked up somewhere
>>37308526
what was it three weeks ago? That should answer your question.
>>37308095
I am not that guy, but i got to 1/2/3/4 after 8 months.
I am 27 tho, and I have always been athletic and it is not like I had never done a push up, pull up, or worked out but it took 8 months on a bro split to hit those weights x3 reps.
If some skinny faggot who's never been to a gym before could do 1/2/3/4 pl8 for reps after 6 months of lifting then it wouldn't be an achievement at all. I'm sure it happens but it's gonna take a year at least for most beginners
Stop fucking bullshitting and making noobs think they're failures because they don't match up with your implausible stats
>>37308715
first of all, the progression stops being 10 pounds after like... a week. it's 5 pounds per workout.
and you will 100% stall before 225 unless your starting point was like 1 plate and you're a fat fuck.
>>37308783
here's the thing, it's not like you can take some faggot on 4chen who does nothing all day long, put him in the gym for 30-60 minutes every other day and then 3-6 months later he's a stud doing 1234.
To hit 1234 in 3-6 months takes dedication and a lot of effort. Eating right takes a lot of effort. Getting into a routine where you eat right, sleep right, fit in workouts and your life is an achievement.
and no one is bullshiting them and trying to make them feel like shit. The question is is it possible to reach 1234 on SS and the answer is yes, most definitely. Not only is it possible, you can do it in 3-6 months. If you want to add modifiers like: Is it possible if I don't eat right? Is it possible if I skip work outs every now and then? Is it possible if I lag all the time during work outs? Is it possible if I don't take it seriously and do whatever the fuck I want? Then you could get worked up if someone said yes, you can even do it in 3-6 months.
>>37308801
see >>37307678 You can start with just the bar, at 5lbs per workout, and reach 225 in under six months. That gives you room to stall.
don't project your failure onto other people. If your starting point was 1plate, you'd hit 225 in under 3 months.
>>37308852
Most people don't start at one plate
Most people consistently hit 3000 calories a day
Depends on your bodyweight
>>37308882
>Most people don't start at one plate
never said they did
>Most people consistently hit 3000 calories a day
that's nice.
why do you have to argue? Why can't you just accept that you were wrong and just let it go? No one knows who you are, no one is going to care if you just stopped posting. Why are you getting so worked up?
>>37308882
yeah, but still 1/2/3/4 in six moths is not imposible
>>37308852
no, it does not give you any room to stall. if you increase your bench by 5lbs every bench workout, that means you increase it by 7.5 pounds/week. that is EXACTLY 6 months from the bar.
no one in the history of SS has done SS for 6 months not stalling once.
>>37308975
alright anon, you're right. You know everyone who did SS ever and know the results. No one is capable of doing 225lbs in 6 months no matter what. Everyone will stall because you said so. Are you happy now?
>>37308975
you heard it here first folks, linear progression is bullshit.
>>37308958
"Not impossible" is right but being incredibly disingenuous. You can't put the guy who's played sports all his life on SS, have him start at 140 pounds and say that because he reached 225 in 6 months it's something everyone should do and that if you don't reach 1/2/3/4 in 6 months you did something wrong.
Take a true beginner, someone starting around 45-70 pounds and he will never, ever reach a 2 plates bench in 6 months. Not to even mention the ridiculousness of reaching a 1 plate OHP, which is significantly harder than a two plates bench.
>>37309014
yes that's exactly what my post said
in other news, I've been lifting for 10 years, so I should be getting close to my 4000 pounds bench any day now.
>>37309051
>You can't put the guy who's played sports all his life on SS, have him start at 140 pounds and say that because he reached 225 in 6 months it's something everyone should do and that if you don't reach 1/2/3/4 in 6 months you did something wrong
With that I agree, either way 1/2/3/4 should be doable for most people for at leas 1RM at the end of SS
>>37309051
>"Not impossible" is right
you can stop posting now.
>>37309093
>end of SS
how is that defined?
>>37309114
2 stalls/deloads, on the third you switch programs
>>37309148
across all lifts or just one?
Guys? Might not be the right thread, but I'm wondering what weight the average guy start lifting.
I'm 6'2" feet tall, 22years old, spent ten years being skelly mode playing vidya. I have a condition called EDS, which basically means my joints and tissues are weaker than most. I didn't start at my max capacity, except for military press and pullups. I am a bit over a month into lifting, and I'm starting to feel I'm doing this wrong. But I've had a slipped disc in my back, and two groin hernias (due to EDS/weak tissue) and I want to do it carefully.
I do/did get DOMS, start sweating, feel it while lifting, but at the low weight I'm lifting I'm feeling like I might not just gain anything. I've gained around 1 kg, and I suspect it's mostly fat.
Please help. ;_;
>tl;dr
Any resource on average starting weights to compare?
Should I just lift heavier?
>>37307678
yeah, see ya there
>>37309167
usually just the squat
>>37309181
there is no wrong starting weight. as long as you progress, you're doing fine.
the weight gain also doesn't come from lifting, it comes from eating. if you did gain only 1 kg in over a month, you are doing something wrong.
>I play sports and have a job as a labourer but never did bench press before. When I started my 1rm was probably around 170 alreadyon the first day but I'm just gonna pretend I was a total beginner who couldn't lift shit. 1/2/3/4 is super ez and if you dont get it in 6 months you aren't eating """""right"""""" (lol i think eating is super hard and involves more than 1g/lb protein and hitting calories so no1 can do it except me).
The thread.
>>37309181
Slow is fast. Slow is progress. Just keep doing what you are doing and EAT. Get some oats, a spoon of peanut butter and whey and thatll be 1/2 your days cals most likely
>>37308715
I don't buy that. people are different. it took me 2,5 months to get to 225 on bench. But i am older and naturally stronger than some people
There are absolutely guys that are putting in the work and doing the lifts right that will take over a year to bench 225 clean.
> doesn't mean they are fucking up
>>37309181
there is no set starting weight for a general group. It's much harder to even pin a starting weight given your condition.
BUT, SS does have a method for finding your starting working weight. It usually feels like it's not enough at first, but a month into it if you're adding weight like you should be, you won't question if it's enough.
Should you just lift heavier weights? If you can, you weren't lifting the right weights. But you've got a handicap so I doubt anyone can give you a good answer.
>>37309227
>dyel crab mentality having loser faggot who can't believe people are capable of anything because he isn't
The post.
>>37309181
>1kg
You need to eat more and when you think you're eating enough you need to eat even more.
t. ex-skinnyfat
>>37307404
Started four months ago, no program and I'm already close to 1/2/3. Slacking on 4 though
>>37309231
>There are absolutely guys that are putting in the work and doing the lifts right that will take over a year to bench 225 clean.
>> doesn't mean they are fucking up
then why is it taking them so long? Why does it take them more than a week to add 5lbs to their lift?
I agree some people are weak when they start and that there are people that can't lift even the bar, but if they actually do SS, ANYONE should be able to hit 225 in 52 weeks.
>>37309261
Who says I'm not capable? I'm at a low BF and I can do 1/2/3/4 for reps no problem.
I sure as fuck didn't get here 6 months after first doing any sort of strength training though.
>>37309303
>Who says I'm not capable?
you
>I sure as fuck didn't get here 6 months after first doing any sort of strength training though.
>WAH, I COULDN'T SO NO ONE CAN!!!
literal crab mentality
>>37309301
I don't know about SS, but I think there are some guys that take longer to develop.
>>37309217
>>37309230
>>37309244
>>37309266
Thanks guys. You're all probably right about eating too little.
I'm having a hard time getting enough protein as well. As it is right now, it's mostly coming from whey. How much do you guys get from other foods, vs from protein powder?
>>37309327
>I mislead beginners and e-stat to look tough on 4chan.
DYEL?
>>37309360
if anyone does what SS or any program like it actually asks of it, it doesn't matter how much longer it takes them to develop, they would hit 225 in under a year. If they didn't they wasted their time and got fat. SS isn't just the lifts, SS is the diet and lifestyle.
Those guys you were talking about that put in all the effort and doing all the lifts right, if they're healthy and if they're not progressively capable of adding weight to the bar, they're not eating enough or sleeping enough or drinking enough water or all of the above.
>>37309393
>is 1234 possible on SS?
>yes, can even be done in 3-6 months
>misleading
kys faggot
>>37309389
a lot comes from a good source of animal protein like a chicken breast. Dairy products are good too like strained yogurt (the kind that has like 20g of protein per serving, not the ones that have less than 10), cottage cheese is good too.
>>37309181
Honestly you could have even been on a miniscule calorie deficit gaining only 1kg from your first month of lifting which could be extra water/glycogen in muscles.
>>37308040
anon can you read/understand SS at all?? it's 5 lbs not 10
>>37309523
he's addressing someone who said to increase by 10 pounds every workout...
can you not read at all?
>>37309802
he didn't say to increase by 10, he said as for an example IF you increased by 10. And then he said IF you increase by 5.
can you not read at all?
>>37307678
True if you are the average fat fuck powerlifter on a never ending dreamer bulk and don't give a shit about health or looking decent
>>37309909
SS isn't about looking decent though.
>>37307634
I got 1/2/3/4/ in 3 months with no belt on some 5/3/1 phone app program. I went from around 155 to 190 lbs.
>>37310105
what the flying fuck how did you eat that much
>>37307678
bull shit Ive been stuck at 160x5 for 3 weeks and I eat 500 over maintenance every day. Also I am neet and all i do is lift and eat. It makes no sense that people are claiming these huge numbers in such a short time
>>37308911
I'm not even the guy I'm just saying maybe 20% of people hit 1/2/3/4 in 6 months
>>37309909
neither the book nor the routine promise either of those. if you did SS and ended up frustrated about your looks or health then you picked the wrong program. you wouldn't eat a burger and complain that it didn't taste like hot dog.
been doing greyskull for about 2 months and my 5rm lifts are
OHP .75pl8
Bench 1.25pl8
squat - 1.5pl8
dead - 2.25pl8
am i gonna fucking make it
>>37310126
weed
>>37310286
oh fair enough
>>37308001
this basically...
if you don't have any athletic background 1/2/3/4 takes a lot of time. i'm a manlet and i weighed 63kg at start. took me forever to get 1/2/3/4
>>37309266
What's wrong with 1kg a month? That's roughly half a pound a week. Nothing wrong with that
>>37307448
>lowbar is embarassing
who the fuck actually thinks like this
its just an exercise, get over it
the whole high-bar vs low-bar argument is just like a bunch of schoolkids arguing over which is better, xbox or playstation. if high bar will better accomplish your fitness goals, do that. if low-bar will better accomplish your fitness goals, do that.
>>37310231
is he saying otherwise?
>>37310221
you're not eating enough. You should have fixed that after the 1st week of being stuck.
>>37310320
>250 calories surplus as a skelly
great idea
>>37309181
You're an untrained man starting on weights and thats silly. can you do all these exercises in calisthenic form. to get your joints accustomed and strong.
Seriously boil the bones.
>>37310284
why would you write the weight out like that wtf
>>37307404
Yes.
but you gotta eat/sleep well. when you start having problems with squats cut them to 2xweek
>>37311467
what would you even do in place of squat on those days
>>37311520
In practical programming book it says your Wednesday on a MWF schedule would have a light squat day around 80% of your normal squat, or variations like a box squat, hack squat, front squat. It's the end of the novice phase where you are going from workout to workout improvement to twice a week improvements, to once a week, etc.
If you are doing SS or any beginner program and want to advance beyond it I recommend PP no matter what the routine you want to do. It goes into detail on making an exercise program after the novice phase, much like how SS went into detail on the biomechanics and basics of lifting weights.
