http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/23/maria-strydom-dies-on-mount-everest-tackled-trek-t/
>An Australian woman who intended to prove that “vegans can do anything and more” died Friday while attempting to scale Mount Everest, the highest mountain on Earth.
>Maria Strydom, a 34-year-old Monash Business School finance lecturer, made it roughly 400 meters shy of the summit when she began suffering from altitude sickness and died while attempting to descend.
>“She could not resist any more her weakness, and she stopped breathing right there,” said Furtengi Sherpa, the operational manager of Seven Summit Treks.
>In an interview published on March 2 on the Monash Business School website, Strydom said that she and her husband, who both are accomplished climbers who consume neither meat nor dairy, together set their sights on Everest after doubts were raised by skeptics due to possible iron and protein deficiencies caused by their diets.
>“It seems that people have this warped idea of vegans being malnourished and weak,” she told the website. “By climbing the seven summits, we want to prove that vegans can do anything and more.”
>>37292246
Why do all vegans look fucked up and age like shit?
>>37292275
idk man, malnourishment of some form I guess. i notice this too though senpai
>>37292246
Nothing to do with being vegan, just unprepared.
Everest would kill 99% of the population of this board as well.
oh look its this thread again..
Look faggot a woman died and all you can do is say "HURR SHOULDA ATE MEAT FAGET!!!"
>>37292338
vegan plz go.
>>37292338
Do you know one way to prepare? Don't be vegan.
come at me vegan weaklings
>>37292358
Another man in her party and two Indians died as well and nobody cared.
>>37292407
>indians and vegans
Doing gods work, everest
>>37292246
Why does she already look like she's dying.
>>37292246
What vegans won't admit.
>This Woman's Vegan Diet May Have Played a Role in Her Death on Mount Everest
http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/vegan-woman-dies-climbing-mount-everest
>>37292407
indians are basically all vegetarians.
>>37293068
>Insert cricket noises here
>>37293261
nah
>>37293397
>attempting to ignore science
Spotted the vegan zealot.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-death-of-the-vegan-climber-was-a-tragedy-but-her-diet-was-irrelevant-a7046191.html
>Altitude sickness can befall anyone, and surprisingly can’t be prevented by someone including bacon or butter in their diet
>>37294229
>wrote the vegan blogger who doesn't hold a medical degree.
>>37294229
https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-orde-91799b8b
>MA in English literature.
>>37292338
found the vegan
>>37293068
Very speculative article
>if she was deficient in b12, this may have made her more susceptible to altitude sickness
If she ate meat and was deficient in b12, would her meat diet have caused her death? If it was a meat eating climber (many of which have died on Everest and other similar climbs), would you expect people to report "animal fat and lack of vegetables can restrict bloodflow, so their meat-based diet may have contributed to their death"?
>>37294229
Funny that. First it was all about her diet choices, but now ofc suddenly wasn't.
>>37293068
Ironically, they link a "related article" that leads to this
http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/stroke-while-pregnant
34 year old woman has a stroke. If they said "34 year old meat eater has a stroke" and hypothesized about how her diet may have caused the stroke, you'd have a huge problem with it.
>>37294313
Iron deficiency causes low hemoglobin count, which means less oxygen transported to cells and tissues. The vegan woman died due to lack of oxygen in her brain (altitude sickness).
Very non-speculative article.
>>37294435
she should've eaten more pumpkin seeds.
problem solved.
>>37294435
It's completely speculative. There's no indication that she had B12 deficiency or even iron deficiency anemia, and altitude sickness isn't even related to these things to begin with.
"It is hard to determine who will be affected by altitude sickness, as there are no specific factors that correlate with a susceptibility to altitude sickness."
>>37294463
She did. And she tried to prove vegans aren't weak. And she died.
>>37294548
This guy didn't. Does he count for anything?
http://inourishgently.com/first-vegan-on-everest/
>Putting aside the fact that he did it on a plant-based diet, he broke Guinness records and made history since no other man in sports and alpine history can boast with an achievement like that – climbing 6 of the world’s highest peaks in less than 24 months
>>37294502
>thinking B12 deficiency is the same as iron deficiency
Fucking dropped. She probably had both anyway.
>>37294583
>Gropel, alive but fighting a fluid buildup in his lungs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/23/woman-trying-to-prove-vegans-can-do-anything-among-three-dead-on-everest-two-more-missing-and-thirty-sick-or-frostbitten/
>>37294594
The article guessed B12 deficiency, you guessed iron deficiency. I responded to both. Both arguments are just "I bet she had this problem and I bet it's her diet's fault" with no evidence that she had any underlying medical condition or deficiency. And this is for altitude sickness, something not even related to those things.
>>37294613
Wrong guy
>>37294613
But that's probably due to the harsh conditions of the climb, isn't it?
>>37294594
This.
Just look at her face, she clearly wasn't properly supplementing her diet properly. The dark bags around her eyes, the general lack of elasticity of the skin, she also has clearly been avoiding supplementing vitamin D, instead she seems to have fucked her skin up by getting burned into a coon.
>inb4 shitstorm
I'm not saying that her being vegan caused these symptoms, I'm saying she clearly didn't have anyone helping her with her diet and making sure she had adequate intake of micronutrients. The thing is, you don't need to watch your diet quite as closely if you ate omnivorously, because those vitamins and minerals not present in high quantities in vegetables and fruit are found in high concentrations in meat.
>>37292246
I hate vegans with a passion but think of how many non vegans have died climbing mt everest.
If she hasn't of been trying to make a point that vegans can do anything it would have been a tragic story of a young woman dieing on top of a mountain.
>>37294642
>And this is for altitude sickness, something not even related to those things.
>How can altitude sickness be prevented? Individuals at risk for developing low levels of oxygen in the blood (anemia) should ask their doctor about taking an iron supplement to help maintain blood oxygen levels.
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases_conditions/hic-altitude-sickness
>>37292275
wat
that is literally what a 34 year old woman looks like
except, of course, minus all the fat
>>37294744
She looks mid 40s m8
http://rmar1.com/2016/02/24/altitude-sickness/
>Furthermore, it is hard to determine who will be affected by altitude sickness, as there are no specific factors that correlate with a susceptibility to AMS. Anyone who travels to altitudes of over 2500m or 8,000ft is at risk of acute mountain sickness. Normally it doesn’t become noticeable until you have been at that altitude for a few hours. Part of the mystery of acute mountain sickness is that it is difficult to predict who will be affected. It is not uncommon to hear stories of young athletic individuals being badly limited by symptoms of AMS while older members doing the same activity have felt fine. Do NOT be fooled by AMS or take it lightly. The dangers of this illness can be severe and every year people die of this physiological derangement when left unrecognized and untreated as AMS can progress to the potentially fatal high altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE) or high altitude cerebral edema (HACE).
>>37294744
>>37294752
She looks like an average mid-30s woman. She's just not amazingly attractive.
>>37294686
>The thing is, you don't need to watch your diet quite as closely if you ate omnivorously, because those vitamins and minerals not present in high quantities in vegetables and fruit are found in high concentrations in meat.
No, you just need to watch for different nutrients. Omnivores are more likely to be deficient in things like potassium, fiber, magnesium, and vitamin E, and have to pay extra attention to not get too much unhealthy stuff from meat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/
All I can say is Rest In Peas m8
>>37292246
well she sure proved something tho
>>37292435
kek
>>37292338
>experienced climbers who have tackled similar climbs
>do everst to prove a point
>prove opposing point
>NO THEY WEREN'T PREPARED, NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A RETARDED VEGAN
fuck off m8
notice vegans have no defense or bother covering the story vegans and femanazis go hand and hand
>>37296906
defense to what?
somebody died doing something dangerous, you fucktard
>>37297179
>somebody died doing something dangerous because they were vegan, you fucktard
ftfy.
>>37297214
does it say that it was because she was vegan?
Can vegans do anything without it being a means to tell everyone they're vegan?
>>37297217
When she made it about being vegan
>>37297261
What are you talking about? She said something about veganism before doing something dangerous and then she died because she did a dangerous thing
Why would vegans have to defend themselves?
>>37297268
Because it gives them an excuse to talk about being a vegan.
>>37297274
Is this literally the only joke/thing you have about vegans?
>>37297268
so you're saying her being a vegan had nothing to do with it? At the very least, her trying to prove a point killed her, so yes, it was because she was a vegan.
>>37297282
Eat shit reddit
>>37297247
I can't say, but I'm a Marine that does crossfit and I make it a point to tell everyone that I'm a Marine first, and a crossfitter second.
>>37297290
Even if it were due to that (although that is complete speculation, as you obviously couldn't know what she would be like/what she would have done were she not vegan), why would that be a thing that vegans would have to defend?
and in terms of her medical cause of death, I'm saying that there is no reason whatsoever to conclude that it was due to veganism.
>>37297214
>>somebody died doing something dangerous because they were vegan, you fucktard
Are you saying that she wouldn't have died on Everest if she ate meat?
OR
Are you saying that if she wasn't trying to prove a point, she wouldn't be on Everest in the first place, and so she wouldn't have died on Everest?
The first interpretation of your statement is simply stupid because people die on Everest all the fucking time and the vast majority (lets say "all") of them ate meat.
The second interpretation of your statement is arguable though it clearly has nothing at all to do with veganism in it's own right - meaning that she just as easily could have died on Everest if she was trying to prove a point about absolutely anything at all and just as well could have died.
>>37292246
>Women climbers
Kek
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/31/woman-sorry-ben-nevis-rescue-selfie-stick
>A woman was rescued from Britain’s highest mountain after attempting an ascent while wearing summer clothes and carrying just a selfie stick, according to reports.
>Sara Albone, 28, became disoriented and began to develop hypothermia after being caught in blizzard conditions while wearing shorts and trainers on Ben Nevis, it is understood.
>She was found by chance while lost on the north face of the 4,400ft peak, in Scotland’s Grampian mountains, where several climbers have been killed in recent months.
>Albone, from Brighton, issued an apology and thanked the team that had to walk her off the mountain when cloud and driving rain made her unreachable by helicopter, the Daily Mail reported.
>>37297333
wtf
>>37297309
>Even if it were due to that (although that is complete speculation, as you obviously couldn't know what she would be like/what she would have done were she not vegan), why would that be a thing that vegans would have to defend?
Nice smoke screen there buddy. I like how you moved the goalpost too. She died because she was a vegan, one way or another.
>>37297350
What smokescreen
You're saying that if she weren't vegan, she wouldn't have climed mt. everest. But there are plenty of non-vegans who have climbed it.
How can you say that she wouldn't have been one of them were she not a vegan?
>>37297350
And I didn't move the goalposts
I was initially responding to this post
>>37296906
>>37297362
>How can you say that she wouldn't have been one of them were she not a vegan?
i don't have to because she was a vegan, she claimed she was gonna climb everst to prove vegans can, and died because of it. There is no changing that and playing the hypothetical game is stupid
>>37297381
move them again, I don't care
>>37297403
I think you just have a poor understanding of what it is that makes someone want to climb Mt. Everest. Hint: it's not veganism (I can tell you this a vegan who does not wish to climb mt everest).
I imagine what actually caused her to want to climb mt everest is an aspect of her personality more fundamental than that.
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/01/he-dreamt-of-being-the-first-vegan-to-climb-mount-everest-from-nepal-then-the-earthquake-happened/
interesting article. God doesn't even want vegans on everst and even if one did, they literally can't call themselves a vegan.
>>37295537
You understand that many experienced climbers have died on Everest, right? They don't even let you on the mountain if you don't have experience.
>>37297442
yeah, keep moving the goalpost, that's definitely working for you.
>I think you just have a poor understanding of what it is that makes someone want to climb Mt. Everest.
that may be the case, but as far as this chick goes, according to the article (and her words) she did it to prove vegans can.
>>37297463
And you keep talking about moving goal posts
that's going well too
>>37297472
there you, the further the better.
>>37297444
he was able to do it this year, but not as a vegan
>The main issue, he said, was finding clothing and equipment that was suitable for vegans - he said he was unable to find an alternative to the down jacket needed at the highest altitudes.
>>37297503
I didn't realize you could flip being vegan off and on like a light switch.
As I'm currently not eating anything and wearing a 100% cotton shirt with denim jeans, am I presently a vegan? As long as I'm not in the midst of eating a rack of lamb while doing activity X, I can say I'm a vegan Xer?
>>37297598
what?
begin vegan certainly isn't immutable, if that's what you're confused about.
>>37297598
I didn't know you could be a vegan conditionally. Good to know. Time to buy those leather flip flops I wanted.
>>37297632
vegan is just a word; you can be whatever you want
if you want leather flip flops, you can buy them, as always
>>37297632
>Time to buy those leather flip flops I wanted.
shit, my bad, I mean I need to live.
>>37297643
>vegan is just a word
breh, what kind of retarded defense is this?
>nah man, I'm still a vegan, me eating steak has nothing to do with it.
>>37297656
it's not a defense. it's an explanation.
you can say you're still vegan as you eat a steak. most people would understand that to be as untrue.
in the end, it doesn't matter if you're "vegan" or not. what matters is what you do. whether what you do entitles you to be called "vegan" or not is totally irrelevant to almost everything.
>>37297643
nah, I'm not buying it. It's not a word. If you claim to be a vegan and are living a vegan lifestyle, there are certain implications that go with that. If you're a vegan and you start eating steaks, you're not a vegan anymore. If you climb mt everst with a down jacket, you didn't climb mt everst as a vegan.
>>37297686
words have meanings
or implications if you like
that is sort of their thing
>>37297681
that is some crazy mental gymnastics you're trying to do.
>>37297696
lol what?
you are asking if you can be vegan and do X. I'm telling you that's a pointless question to ask. are you simply asking what words mean?
or are you asking if you can get that sweet vegan feel? what are you wondering?
She looked like absolute shit at 34. More like 44.
>>37294744
Her eyes look dead, like her brain is broken. Like somebody on a fuckload of antipsychotics.
She doesn't look all there. She looks washed out like somebody who's had a speed habit for many years.
>>37297329
She didn't die on everest from an avalanche. She died because her body couldn't handle the conditions. If Zyzz weren't on a cocktail of drugs he wouldn't have died in that sauna either.
>>37297329
But she died on every trying to prove she could as a vegan, so it doesn't matter what she could have or wouldn't have done, this is what happened. Her vegan ideology killed her.
![p034s5q0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8opzxAO.jpg "p034s5q0[1].jpg")
![Green_Boots_wkhlbi[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/hUp6PrY.png "Green_Boots_wkhlbi[1].png")
the dead bodies of approximately 200 people lie on Mt Everest
![hqdefault[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/f7TQZux.jpg "hqdefault[3].jpg")
>>37298282
True fact: they were all vegans.
![dead+on+everest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xOLIhJl.jpg "dead+on+everest[1].jpg")
>dying from altitude sickness
![2513951[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LMCuMHG.jpg "2513951[1].jpg")
>>37298305
obviously
>>37298342
Surprised they're not preserved.
![dead-bodies-everest-8[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ReNI0gh.jpg "dead-bodies-everest-8[1].jpg")
>>37298361
Someone fucked him in the butt.
>>37298351
some have been there for many years
>>37298361
this one since 1924
2bh she looks really unhealthy her skin colour lookes weird like if she was an ex heroin addict or something or must be because of her vegan diet :p
![everest-4-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/90ACpxs.jpg "everest-4-2[1].jpg")
>>37298361
![everest-3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SP0VyYR.jpg "everest-3[1].jpg")
>>37298436
>skips leg day
>expecting to make it to the top
LOL
![everest-13[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A5ChwMO.jpg "everest-13[1].jpg")
![everest-15[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rfEm2ZR.jpg "everest-15[1].jpg")
280 people have died climbing everest
something to think about
>>37297457
I don't get it. You just go up, then down. I can climb a flight of stairs. I can climb 50 flights of stairs. Why can't I climb 1000 flights of stairs?
>>37298282
So are they still just lying there? Had no idea
>>37298555
Can't rescue then, too much cost little gain.
It's fucking crazy tho.
>>37297457
Everest isn't even that technically difficult anymore. It's roped the whole way, Sherpas carry all your shit. It's just a looong way to the top with a few technical bits
>>37298564
That's nuts
>>37298522
I don't want to believe you're this stupid, but watch a 30 minute documentary on youtube or something. The mountain is 6 miles up, higher than many airplanes fly, so oxygen is limited. It is fucking cold as shit and hypothermia is a thing. Altitude sickness happens when you come down to quickly so fluid can pool in brain and lungs and you can just drown. Lots of shit happens on Everest.
>>37298282
Is it illegal to take their gear?
>>37298522
>>37298584
you literally just have to survive acclimating to the altitude
>>37298498
considering it's over decades, not that significant of a number.
>>37298584
I'm sure it's just a walk in the park. It isn't AS difficult, but come the fuck on.
>>37298610
Meh I've gone outside in the winter. I've walked like 20 miles in a day before. I lived in Colorado for a summer. It doesn't seem that bad, especially with the local sherpas who do this shit all the time and don't even consider it a big deal (kind of like if I helped a fattie walk a mile it wouldn't be that bad and the fattie wouldn't die).
>>37298522
Because as the altitude changes your body has to adapt. Clearly her body couldn't adapt like others could and she gasped for air until she died.
>>37298611
no. Who is going to stop you? but why would you want it?
>>37298629
Tie a plastic bag over your head and go walk a mile. See how well that goes.
>>37298662
dude it's not that hard to breathe in high altitude environments
t. someone who climbed everest
>Business School finance lecturer
This triggered me more than the vegan thing, actually.
>>37298662
The dangers of plastic bags are overstated.
>>37298680
Definitely. I've been bagged before and was fine
>>37298670
>>37298680
>>37298696
>>37298680
I back myself 3 times a day before i masturbate and im still here
>>37294744
>>37294783
Yeah, no. I'm 31 and have friends a few years older than me. Her skin texture and color looks like shit.
I know that veganism can have some benefits (outside of the moral bullshit), but no thanks.
>>37298555
checked
most of the corpses are along the "path" to the top. all the other climbers trek past them - like distance markers
>>37292246
In an interview published on March 2 on the Monash Business School website, Strydom said that she and her husband, who both are accomplished climbers who consume neither meat nor dairy, together set their sights on Everest after doubts were raised by skeptics due to possible iron and protein deficiencies caused by their diets.
“It seems that people have this warped idea of vegans being malnourished and weak,” she told the website. “By climbing the seven summits, we want to prove that vegans can do anything and more.”
i laughed homie
>>37292435
Mein flanks
LOL at vegans getting BTFO.
>>37292246
Lol @ all the meat eaters here having heart failure in 20 years.
It's funny because you're all smart enough t know better but too arrogant to drop animal products. Shit is bad for you, tastes amazing sure but seriously enjoy heart failure.
>>37292246
It's like these people think that Everest is a fucking joke. Next we're gonna have some mum and pop try to climb it and die violently.
If you have any kind of handicap, then Everest is not for you. Being vegan IS a handicap, because you aren't getting what you need. That's not something to debate; that's a fact.
Fuck. Now I'm mad.
>>37302017
there is no single nutrient in meat that is not available through a plant based diet with supplementation of vitamin B12. You are just extremely uneducated.
Shit I'm not even vegan but the stupidity in this thread annoys me.
Her bad diet may have lead to her death, but this is not due to being vegan. The woman probably would have fucked up her diet too as an omnivore.
Besides, not everyone has to climb the fucking Mt. Everest. Even IF the vegan diet was cause of her death, nobody will realistically climb everest, so a vegan diet is fine. In addition, a vegan diet saves countless of animal lives and helps the planet not turn into a giant shithole due to climate change as quickly.
>>37295537
>not killing animals because you can get nutrients else where is the reason climbers die on Everest...even if they eat animals...
ITT : people honestly arguing that the only factor to die on 1 of the most dangerous mountains and 1 of the most dangerous sports is if you eat animals or not
Fuck me, and i wonder why i left this place.
>>37292338
I would agree, but they were still 400m from the summit when she died
>>37298611
I'd imagine the last thing you would want to do is have extra shit to carry while scaling Mt. GOATverest
>>37292246
stomme hoer
I don't like these threads, man.
Ya'll are giggling over a woman's death. She tried to climb the biggest, most daunting thing on the planet and failed. Hundreds of others have too. Her effort should be respected, at the very least.
Half you fucks can even squat 2pl8, let alone climb halfway close to the summit of Everest.
>>37292246
Well she kinda succeeded, she proved vegans could die on Mount Everest.
>Captcha: choose all images with mountains
wew lad
>>37292246
>an Australian vegan woman
bet she's from melbourne
>monash university lecturer
ding ding ding
>>37302071
>with supplementation of vitamin B12
I'm not vegan either, but my girlfriend is. Or was... She received iron/B12 infusions for over 2 years until randomly anaphylaxis kicked in and she nearly died. Her doctor advised her to change to pills, which she did, but she complained about a burning sensation on her face and limbs and flushed skin, which are milder reactions to her medication.
We were shocked to know that over 60% of women who have anaphylaxis due to iv iron injections, whether they are vegan or not, die.
My girlfriend went back to eating non-red meat, the only exception being beef liver, which is the best source of b12 and iron.
I think it's extremely uneducated to advertise veganism like you do, especially when you are not a vegan yourself and don't know the side effects. It's really not easy to obtain iron and B12 from a vegan diet like you want to portray, especially when you are a woman who needs twice as much iron/B12 as a man, and the complications of a vegan diet manifest themselves several months or years later, b12/iron deficiency being the most common one, even with supplementation, which also causes side affects.
>tl;dr
People need to be aware that becoming a vegan is a moral and political decision at the expense of your own health. You will need to take medication as a vegan, like it or not, and there are serious side effects. There are no conclusive studies showing that a vegan diet is the best.
>>37303757
it's actually incredibly easy to get b12 and iron
and there are studies that show that you can get everything you need from a vegan diet
do you think your gf is the only vegan who has been vegan for years? your anecdote is literally just an anecdote
>>37303838
Her doctor said all that, not me. I would rather take the words from a MD–PhD than yours.
>>37303872
Her doctor said what?
And what kind of doctor?
And I'd rather take the words from actual studies done by people studying the issue than from a doctor whose specialization probably has nothing to do dietetics
>>37303757
ffs, no you dont, you can just eat modern foods. Meanwhile you will be on medication,, even trays just like everybody else if you continue eating foods that clog your arteries. (animals)
Its always people who dont know or want to know that say this shit
>take 1 supplement
>hurr durr your on medication for your health
>takes protein powder
>creatine
>coffee
>pre workout
>statins etc later in life
these are fine.
>>37292275
she looks fine. Nothing wrong with the way she looks for a 34 year old woman.
>>37304284
>thinking prescription drugs like b12 & iron shots are the same as foods like coffee or over-the-counter protein powder.
The vegan reasoning.
>>37292246
You can see in her eyes that something is wrong with her health.
Seriously, fuck this vegan shit
>>37292246
>>37298629
humans aren't built to survive in the conditions on Everest, I'm pretty sure it's an achievement just to get to Everest as a climber
it's not like it's just steep and cold, your body cannot function properly, and it takes weeks or something to get acclimatised to the lower altitudes
The woman had done other big climbs before, this anti-vegan shit is a meme, and a bunch of you probably wreck your body anyway with dodgy supplements or a whole bunch of other things that are likely worse than being vegan
>>37303838
>and there are studies that show that you can get everything you need from a vegan diet
You absolutely cannot get vitamin B12 from a vegan diet.
>>37298111
>She didn't die on everest from an avalanche. She died because her body couldn't handle the conditions.
You realize that that has happened to like a fuckton of people right? Therefore you can't draw a causal connection between not eating meat or, for that matter, not eating animal products in general, with dying on Everest.
>>37298135
>But she died on every trying to prove she could as a vegan, so it doesn't matter what she could have or wouldn't have done, this is what happened. Her vegan ideology killed her.
That I will absolutely agree with, she died because she was trying to prove a point and not necessarily because she was a vegan - she just as easily could have died trying prove that women named Maria Strydom could climb Everest.
>>37304635
Source on this? I have some vegan friends I'd like to BTFO.
>>37304635
You can if you don't wash your veg. B12 is produced by bacteria, not by animals. You get it from animal sources because they eat unwashed food themselves.
But since we're not living in our own shit, a B12 supplement is standard for vegans in modern society.
>>37305398
>Vitamin B12 is naturally found in animal products, including fish, meat, poultry, eggs, milk, and milk products. Vitamin B12 is generally not present in plant foods, but fortified breakfast cereals are a readily available source of vitamin B12 with high bioavailability for vegetarians.
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-HealthProfessional/
>Can I just take a multivitamin pill every day to raise a low vitamin B-12 level? No. Over-the-counter multivitamins do not contain enough vitamin B-12 to raise a low level. Most people can prevent vitamin B-12 deficiency by eating foods that are rich in B-12. However, if you don’t eat or drink animal products, or you have trouble absorbing vitamin B-12 from your stomach or small intestines, you may need to take special vitamin B-12 pills.
http://familydoctor.org/familydoctor/en/prevention-wellness/food-nutrition/nutrients/vitamin-b-12.html
>>37303320
Jokes on you I would pop dexamethasone and shoot EPO the whole way up and laugh at struggling climbers as I jogged to the top.
>>37305453
>You can't treat a deficiency with a regular dose multivitamin
>But you can maintain a healthy level with a special B-12 pill AKA a multivitamin made for vegans
You are blowing my mind, m8
>>37305495
>The body’s ability to absorb vitamin B12 from dietary supplements is largely limited by the capacity of intrinsic factor. For example, only about 10 mcg of a 500 mcg oral supplement is actually absorbed in healthy people.
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-HealthProfessional/#h3
>>37305453
mammals don't make b12
bacteria does
eat some dirt or drink some dirty water if you think supplements won't work
>>37303757
The anaphylaxis/allergic reaction wasn't brought on by the iron or B12, it will have been caused by the presence of additional foreign material entering the bloodstream, causing an allergic reaction. The body then associates that with increased B12 and Iron, leading to a long-term allergy. Lots of people who work preparing shellfish end up getting a small cut that the shell material enters, causing a lifelong allergy to shellfish.
Plenty of people maintain healthy B12/Iron levels for the whole lives on a vegan diet just through specially formulated multivitamins.
>>37305549
Stop this non-sense. Not even you as a vegan will eat your own shit, retard.
>>37305524
Which is why those special vegan pills have a mega-dose of B12, so that you can absorb the staggering 3mcg of B12 you need
>>37305606
Yea, and? How can you get B12 from a vegan diet without medication?
>>37294583
>everyone ignores this guy
>>37305687
You could eat unwashed vegetables if you really wanted. Tbh I know quite a few vegans who don't take any supplements and have had perfectly fine B12 levels for years, but that isn't backed up by a scientific study so I don't recommend it.
Comparing taking a daily or weekly multivitamin to taking 'medication' is a bit much. Being a vegan isn't really about eating the best 'what if I wanted to compete while living in the forest and pretending civilisation doesn't exist' diet, it's about moving away from using animals as a source of food, since they invariably cause suffering and environmental issues. It's a pretty nice bonus that by cheating and supplementing B12 you have one of the healthiest diets available.
>>37305453
>https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-HealthProfessional/
"vitamin B12 deficiency is common, affecting between 1.5% and 15% of the general population [24,25]. In many of these cases, the cause of the vitamin B12 deficiency is unknown [8]."
"Evidence from the Framingham Offspring Study suggests that the prevalence of vitamin B12 deficiency in young adults might be greater than previously assumed [15]. This study found that the percentage of participants in three age groups (26–49 years, 50–64 years, and 65 years and older) with deficient blood levels of vitamin B12 was similar. The study also found that individuals who took a supplement containing vitamin B12 or consumed fortified cereal more than four times per week were much less likely to have a vitamin B12 deficiency."
Even meat eaters benefit from supplementing B12
>>37303320
>Her effort should be respected, at the very least.
there's nothing to respect about making stupid decisions and killing yourself because of it.
>>37303892
>And I'd rather take the words from actual studies done by people studying the issue
>studies that aren't really regulated and for the most part are biased or full of shit
>>37304862
>she just as easily could have died trying prove that women named Maria Strydom could climb Everest.
just as easily could have, but she didn't. She died because she was a vegan.
![first-vegan-to-climb-everest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/e0p5cuA.jpg "first-vegan-to-climb-everest[1].jpg")
>>37305923
More accurately, because she suffered from altitude sickness, a mostly random disease. If being vegan caused her to die, this guy would've had no chance. >>37294583
>>37305882
You don't respect anyone who has ever risked their life trying to achieve something?
>>37305963
no, read the context of the post
>I'm a vegan and I'm going to climb everst to prove a vegan can
>dies
>she died because veganism
>>37305969
I don't respect idiots who take things lightly and kill themselves because of it.
>>37305996
>Experienced climbers
>Attempting to climb the highest peak on each continent
>Trained for over a year
>idiots who take things lightly
I mean fucking really pal
>>37306046
so why exactly should I respect that?
>>37306061
Respect what you want, but those climbers were prepared and aware of what they were risking to achieve their goal. Don't be the dickead spraying in the meadow.
>>37306102
>but those climbers were prepared and aware of what they were risking to achieve their goal.
and that automatically means they should be respected? I mean fucking really pal
>>37306124
You're the one who said they didn't respect them specifically because they 'took things lightly' and died
![1464010492099[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YX1JXRR.jpg "1464010492099[1].jpg")
Two people died on that trip. Maria Strydom and Eric Arnold before her, who isn't a vegan.
http://www.baka.com.au/world/dutch-climber-eric-arnold-achieves-dream-of-conquering-everest-but-dies-on-way-down-20160522-gp18bo.html
>Arnold, 36, a professional mountain climber and motivational speaker
>Arnold died while experiencing altitude-related symptoms on his way back down the mountain, the first of two climbers killed on Everest this year.
>A second climber from that team, Australian Maria Strydom, died on Saturday.
>Arnold said he dreamed of climbing Everest since he was a little boy - and had a poster of the mountain taped next to one of actress Pamela Anderson above his bed.
This just in: being motivated and having personal goals will kill you
>>37306160
doesn't minimize the fact that she was on that mountain because she was a vegan. You can try to spin it anyway you want, that's what killed her.
>>37306183
And he was on that mountain because he dreamed of climbing it some day. Having dreams and wanting to achieve things kills people.
>>37305814
>You could eat unwashed vegetables if you really wanted.
Except the B12 found in vegetables is not biologically active, thus useless for humans.
>It's a pretty nice bonus that by cheating and supplementing B12 you have one of the healthiest diets available.
By overdosing on synthetic B12 with chemical compounds not meant for human consumption. lol Yet you have the audacity to call it a "bonus" and "one of the healthiest diets available."
Becoming a vegan is liking choosing to become chronically diseased. You cannot live without your meds.
>>37306183
The point is that being vegan isn't dangerous, it's going up Everest that's dangerous.
>>37306160
>This just in: being motivated and having personal goals will kill you
Yes, it can if your goals are inherently dangerous things. Make sure you use that as an excuse to remain a NEET.
>>37306196
>overdosing on synthetic B12 with chemical compounds not meant for human consumption.
You're trying too hard
>>37306193
ok. I didn't say otherwise.
>>37306200
no, the point is that she did something because of her ideology and died because of it. She died because she was trying to prove a point about veganism. So no, being vegan, arguably, isn't dangerous, but it was for her.
>>37306200
Maybe being an insufferable know-it-all who's so hung up on your own personal opinions that you have to 'prove' things to a world of people who never asked in the first place is what's really dangerous.
>>37306214
>that childish rebuttal
It's empirical evidence, tho. You cannot prove it wrong.
>>37306231
She wanted to climb mount everest with her husband on vacation and in the process show her friends and family that her diet doesn't limit her. You're an idiot if you think she climbed everest specifically because she was a vegan, like it's written in the Code of Vegans that one day you must climb the tallest mountain to prove yourself. She'd climbed other mountains before, it's a hobby of hers. If anyone's ideology made them climb and die on everest, it's this motivational speaker >>37306160
But nobody wants to make a big deal out of him because he ate meat.
>>37306196
The B12 isn't in the vegetables, it's in the soil on the vegetables since it's only produced by bacteria. When you get B12 from animal products, you're getting it from the soil/bacteria indirectly anyway. If you don't wash your produce, and get it from a retailer that doesn't wash it either or use pesticides, then you don't need the supplements.
You can buy non-'synthetic' bacteria-grown B12 if you want, and you should since the other kind is less effective. But if you're against eating anything not 'natural' or 'meant for human consumption' (which is a meaningless statement in itself, unless you think God laid out mankind's meal plan somewhere), then you need to toss your protein powder and creatine powder to start.
Then you need to turn vegan anyway since our bodies areprimarily herbivorous (long digestive tract, sweat from glands, can't process dietary cholesterol properly etc.) and not carnivorous (short digestive tract, lose heat through panting, arteries don't get clogged with cholesterol etc.).
>>37306296
>empirical evidence
>nothing posted
Where's the evidence of "b12 overdose" being a thing or that synthetic B12 causes health problems?
His claim that the diet comes with health benefits is well established
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871675
>>37306308
no, you're throwing up all these smokescreens and trying to alter facts to make your point work. I didn't say anything about what it means to be a vegan and that you have to prove yourself. She did that on her own. She literally said, "I'm climbing Everst to prove I can AS A VEGAN"
And you can bring up that guy all you want, he's irrelevant. Nobody wants to make a big deal out of him because he wasn't trying to prove a point about his diet. There are close to 300 people who died trying to climb Everst, so what? None of them, as far as we know, said they were there to prove they could do it as a vegan. She did though.
>>37306269
>people who never asked in the first place
>set their sights on Everest after doubts were raised by skeptics due to possible iron and protein deficiencies caused by their diets
>>37306308
no because he made it to the top unlike the vegan pussy
>>37306308
>She wanted to climb mount everest with her husband on vacation and in the process show her friends and family that her diet doesn't limit her. You're an idiot if you think she climbed everest specifically because she was a vegan
breh,you're not helping yourself out
>>37306390
we don't know the facts, but I wouldn't be surprised if they started the argument.
>we're vegans, we can do anything!
>yeah, I doubt it
>WHAT? YOU DON'T THINK WE CAN?!
>I don't think you can
>WATCH, WE'RE GONNA CLIMB EVERST!!!
>>37306362
> Nobody wants to make a big deal out of him because he wasn't trying to prove a point about his diet
It's the same kind of mentality, you just only care about the girl because you have a chip on your shoulder about vegans. The guy climbed everest because it was a childhood dream of his and as a motivational speaker and fitness enthusiast he lectures people on following their dreams and challenging their limits. Imagine reading headlines on HAES websites saying "Fat-shaming motivational speaker dies attempting to prove people should exercise"
>>37306454
>It's the same kind of mentality, you just only care about the girl because you have a chip on your shoulder about vegans.
no. Stopped reading right there because I'm tired of your strawmanning. This thread is about her so I'm only discussing her. He is literally irrelevant to the discussion.
>>37292338
>hot black grill
>>37306454
wow, you're doing some crazy mental gymnastics to try and force your point. Just give it up dude.
>>37306421
Maybe. There are a lot of preachy vegans.
But I'd say at least 50% of the time if I ask for egg-free pasta at a restaurant or bring meat-free sausages to a BBQ, somebody is going to climb over the table to start talking about teeth and being stranded on an island made of pigs.
>>37306473
>This thread is about her so I'm only discussing her.
The other guy didn't even get a thread. People focused completely on the vegan woman and try to twist the story into "vegan woman dies of acute veganism caused by radical vegan diet"
>>37306513
>The other guy didn't even get a thread.
and why should he?
> People focused completely on the vegan woman and try to twist the story
people focus on her because she asked for people to focus on her. And no one is twisting the story
>“It seems that people have this warped idea of vegans being malnourished and weak,” she told the website. “By climbing the seven summits, we want to prove that vegans can do anything and more.”
She proved that she, as a vegan, couldn't.
and if you want me to focus on that guy, I'll indulge you a bit
>>Arnold said he dreamed of climbing Everest since he was a little boy - and had a poster of the mountain taped next to one of actress Pamela Anderson above his bed.
it's a shame that his dream killed him. Maybe he should have focused on trying to bang Pamela, but he probably didn't ant to get the hep.
>>37292246
>She could not resist any more her weakness, and she stopped breathing right there
>after doubts were raised by skeptics due to possible iron and protein deficiencies caused by their diets
With all this SPIN it's a miracle she didn't just get sucked straight to the summit.
You want to know what ACTUALLY happened? The inept sherpa company responsible for getting the tourists to the top fucked up. Maybe they were trying to rake in the profitsss and didn't allow sufficient time to acclimatize. Maybe the chemicals they used to preserve their blood stores didn't work. either way, on day 13 of injecting riduculous amounts of PEDs into their asses and dashing madly to the top, one of the rookies fell, twisted his ankle, and they had to put him out of his misery. Then the other rookies panicked, demanding to be taken down. During their hasty descent, one of them slipped on a slippery rock and smacked her head into a sharp jagged outcroppping and died instantly.
The sherpa company will have to change their name and the people responsible may never work in sherpa-ing again.
As for the story, it's not like any of you stupid fucks know anything about mountain climbing, so until one of you overlays her GPS data onto google maps or some such shit, I'm gonna go with "it could happen to anyone."
>>37306559
>and why should he?
Personally I think neither needed to be posted, but if you're going to post one, on a fitness board no less, why not the other as well when that person is also a tri-athlete rather than a teacher?
>people focus on her because she asked for people to focus on her. And no one is twisting the story
Go back through this thread. What started as "woman dies of altitude sickness while climbing one of the world's most dangerous mountains" managed to turn into "malnourished vegan woman dies of hemoglobin deficiency caused by vegan diet"
>She proved that she, as a vegan, couldn't.
Fair enough that she didn't make it but do you think the reporting and reception wasn't biased and trying to make it seem like the fact that she ate a vegan diet is what made her unable to survive the climb? This guy climbed everest and more in record time to prove veganism isn't limiting >>37294583 why do people ignore him?
"I ditched animal products from my diet to prove that a person can live without them, even when there is the maximum amount of strain on his body and mind. The sport with the greatest physical and mental load is high-altitude mountaineering. So I decided to start conquering peaks. I took it as my mission to prove that veganism is healthy, because if we manage to drastically reduce meat consumption, this will radically decrease the pollution and harm we are doing to our planet…"
>>37306706
>why not the other as well
because he didn't do it to prove meat eaters could, or that dreamers could, or that tri-athletes could. He did it because he simply wanted to.
>Go back through this thread.
I'm not going to. I'm going to go back to my post that you responded to which was
>doesn't minimize the fact that she was on that mountain because she was a vegan. You can try to spin it anyway you want, that's what killed her.
> but do you think the reporting and reception wasn't biased and trying to make it seem like the fact that she ate a vegan diet is what made her unable to survive the climb?
biased? no. She made it about veganism so the reporting is focusing on that.
>why do people ignore him?
because he didn't die. And he's not being ignored, clearly you were able to quote the post which got replies. But the thread is about him, the thread is about her. Can you please stop with the "OH YEAH?! WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS GUY AND THAT GUY?! HUH HUH HUH!!!"
>>37306759
>But the thread isn't about him
>>37306759
Is your entire point literally that she was a vegan who climbed Everest, and her motivation was to show that a vegan was physically capable of climbing Everest, and that this is a thread about that topic?
Are you really just trying to re-state the facts of the situation? Are you really not trying to make any comment of any kind on veganism?
>>37306759
>because he didn't do it to prove meat eaters could, or that dreamers could, or that tri-athletes could. He did it because he simply wanted to.
He was a motivational speaker. He professionally lectures people on doing this sort of thing. This was something he dreamed about since childhood. Put up the headline "man following childhood dream ends up dead" and make a thread about how having ambitions is bad.
>>doesn't minimize the fact that she was on that mountain because she was a vegan. You can try to spin it anyway you want, that's what killed her.
If that's your point, then the reason doesn't matter and she's no different from the Dutch guy. Anyone who climbs the mountain for whatever reason is at risk of danger. Obviously she enjoyed mountain climbing despite the risks, just as he did.
>biased? no. She made it about veganism so the reporting is focusing on that.
The news articles mention that she was a vegan hoping to dispell myths about veganism. Then we have articles like this that make up a reason for why her diet contributed to her altitude sickness >>37293068 and then you have most of the posts in this thread agreeing that it was her diet specifically that caused her to die, even when a tri-athlete meat eater died on the same climb.
>he's not being ignored, clearly you were able to quote the post which got replies.
The first reply is someone mistaking the guy for the husband of Maria Strydom, the next three replies are my quoting that post.
>But the thread is about him, the thread is about her. Can you please stop with the "OH YEAH?! WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS GUY AND THAT GUY?! HUH HUH HUH!!!"
That's what I'm saying. Why is it all about her?
>>37306973
have a good day.
>>37306973
>He was a motivational speaker. He professionally lectures people on doing this sort of thing. This was something he dreamed about since childhood. Put up the headline "man following childhood dream ends up dead" and make a thread about how having ambitions is bad.
you expect people to take you seriously while arguing like this? Now I get why people hate vegans so much.
>>37306973
So basically what you're saying is, she's actually more healthy than the meat eater, because he died first. However, you have to account for the fact that the vegan witch probably murdered the meat eater so that she could siphon his blood, and that's the only reason she lasted so long.
>>37307015
He was literally sensationalizing it to make a point about how it was sensationalized. On the other hand, your post is actually completely fucking useless and doesn't contribute anything. It's probably the prions in your meat blocking blood flow to your fucking brain.
maria strydom? more like maria strydumb
All these vegans getting btfo is heart warming
>woman proclaims vegans arent weak
>proceeds to die
>butthurt vegans claim anyone could die
>cant comprehend that a self proclaimed vegan tried proving a point and died doing it
Guess vegans are weak.. Only meat eaters have made it to the top..
>>37307493
>Only meat eaters have made it to the top..
unfortunately, 2 "vegans" have made it this year. Vegans in quote because you can't literally claim you're a vegan when you use the equipment necessary to make it to the top. I guess you can say two guys with vegan diets made it.
>>37307167
vegangainzplzgooo
>>37307524
Sooooooooooo....a vegetarian?
>>37307493
>butthurt vegans claim anyone could die
butthurt meat eater smashes head against keyboard after contracting downs syndrome
>news articles claim a meat eater already died
if her point was literally that 'vegans can do anything' then obviously she didn't prove it. if her point was 'vegans can do anything that meat eaters can' then I'd say she proved it. but it was really lucky for her that the other guy died too. otherwise she'd have been fucked.
>>37298610
>6 miles up,
jfk that's a lot. I don't get why people do Everest at all. It's just something they use to brag about, like owning a fancy watch or car or something. "oh hoh, vernon, would you believe I climbed mount everest last summer? I came down and went for a ride on my yacht." Retarded. There are nicer mountains that don't risk death. I mean, why do something so dangerous and uncomfortable?
>>37303320
She should be respected about as much as those jackasses who go, "Brah, check this out," as their final words before they do something retarded to show off. She didn't climb for the love of climbing or to respect nature. It was just a HEY I'M VEGAN AND I'M BETTER THAN YOU deal. Fuck that cunt and fuck all vegans. Shut the fuck up. No one cares that I don't eat orange cheese or burgers. Why would anyone give a shit whether you eat meat or not you self absorbed cunt? Even when I look for housing and the guy happens to be a vegetarian, they all have those rules like no meat in the house, trying to impose their lifestyle on everyone else. I don't make anyone else eat my kale or organ meat. Why do vegans and vegetarians have to shove their bullshit down everyone's throats? Literally just shut the fuck up.
>>37307695
>HEY I'M VEGAN AND I'M BETTER THAN YOU deal. Fuck that cunt and fuck all vegans
All she said was she wanted to show that a vegan can climb Mt. Everest. I don't know why you take that as a personal attack.
>>37297503
That's bull shit, we send astronouts into space (cold as shit up there senpai) without feathers.
>>37294686
Meat provides all necessary nutrients. That said, climbing Everest is retarded. There's literally nothing to see there but an increasing amount of dead bodies.
Now say you want to see a lot of corpses of people who died in abject misery because you're a sociopath?
You'll still not enjoy it because your body is dying at that altitude and everything is slowly shutting down.
>>37310778
>Meat provides all necessary nutrients.
And causes cancer.
>>37297309
Well, if she weren't vegan, she wouldn't have embarked on the excursion SHE SPECIFICALLY WENT ON TO PROVE VEGANS ARE HEALTHY.
I'm hoping big font makes reading easier for you.
>>37292338
i've climbed it. carnivore here
>>37292246
Reminds me of the woman who trekked through the middle east in a wedding dress to prove Muslims aren't dangerous and she got gang raped ane murdered.
